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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Peeblesshire => Topic started by: woodshorn on Saturday 27 February 10 10:08 GMT (UK)
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Does anyone have a copy of Sheila Scott's book "memorial inscriptions(pre 1855) Peeblesshire"
There's no copy even at the Mitchell Library.
Thanks
Carolyn
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If you are looking for a particular name I can look it up for you. Just let me know. :)
Brina
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Thanks Brina
The name is Cuthbertson. I have alexander d 1871 but his mother and father prob both died newlands too. Iwent to Newlands but there was only onr readable stone there with Cuthbertson on it. They married 1790. in Newlands They were Alexander Cuthbertson and Marion Sanderson they had James b 1796 Thomas 1801 AND Alexander 1803(whose stone is still standing but has no other fam members on it.
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Hi Carolyn,
I cannot find any entries for Cuthbertson at Newlands and I have now searched the whole book and can only find one Cuthbertson entry for a Janet Cuthbertson at Skirling Churchyard.
Archd Brown late tenant Craigs of Skirling 22/3/1831 84, w Cath Hunter 13/2/1814 60, s David d Biggar 15/9/1861 75; Janet Cuthbertson w of David Brown 2/2/1848 46. That's it I am sorry to say.
I have looked up Sandersonfor you to see if this interest you or if you wish to pursue this line as there are a few entries. Maybe nothing of interest but thought I would just include them now.
Newlands Cemetery
Wm Sanderson 9/3/1848 36 w Kath Forrest 3/2/1890 82 bd Dalry Cemetery Edinburgh, s Peter 6/1/1841 20m
(Small hidden by tree) A Sanderson
(Pillar with Urn) Peter Jackson/Cowley Farm Biggar farmer formerly of Staine 18/5/1873 88 w Helen Sanderson 30/12/1857 71, 1s Wm 9/5/1837 22, 6s Peter & 2 da d childhood, 7s Peter 22/7/1849 17.
Thomas Simpson 28/12/1899 75 w Mary Veitch d Kingside 16/1/1892 80, da Helen 4/1/1852 5; Thos Simpson jun d W Mains, Pencaitland 2/9/1929 w Helen Sanderson yt da of David S/Dykefoot Carnwath d Fenton Barns 8/2/1923.
West Linton Cemetery
Jas Sanderson/Blythebank 12/8/1793, 14/5/1868, s Wm 9/1/1835, 22/7/1835; Mary Sandereson w of Wm Shanks d 12/2/1868 27 bd Paisley; Grace S w of John Gibson d 1/8/1869 39 bd Pittenain; Margt S w Fredk Heggie d 11/7/? aged 36 bd Kirkcaldy; Mary Wyper widow of Jas S d Trinity 16/8/1886 87.
Robert Sanderson poet 10/11/1836, 20/9/1902.
Wm Sanderson 9/(6)/1787 75, w d aged 57; Betty Sanderson
Alex Sanderson wright Linton 9/6/1851 78, w Janet 24/8/1827 47, s Chas 6/3/1809 3, s John 11/6/1810 8
Wm Sanderson shoemaker Linton b July 1712 d (26)/4/178(5) 73, w Margt Wallace 27/2/1776 (56).
Hope this makes sense, I have copied it exactly from the book.
If it is not useful to you then perhaps it might be useful to someone else.
Good luck.
Brina ;)
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Thanks very much indeed. It may all fir in later. There's loads for me to check
Thanks again
Carolyn
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Hello Brina,
I've just discovered one of my ancestors is buried in Newlands Churchyard. Would you mind checking if there is anything on Marion Johnston(e), nee Fairlie/Fairley please. She actually died in 1858 but hopefully she may get a mention. I'd also be interested in any other Johnston(e)s or Fairlie/Fairley's in Newlands.
Thanks,
Canisp.
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have just read your posting and have a little information which may be of interest to you.
Our farm was bought from the Johnstone family in 1969. The Johnstone's bought it from ?Major Thompson who sold off the Castlecraig estate of which our farm was a part of in the 1940's.They were the tenents up to then .
I don't know how long the Johnstone family were tenents on the farm prior to the 1940's.
Although we are in Newlands Parish, Castlecraig (formerly known as Kirkurd House) is in the Parish of Kirkurd which has it's own church-now disused, and graveyard.
It may be worth checking out Kirkurd Graveyard.
Avril (mrs a)
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Hi Canisp.
You will be pleased with this I think.
I have taken this as it is printed from the Newlands entries.
Walter Johnstone d W Linton June 18??, w Marion Fairlie d Woodend 6.8.1858 56, da Ann 28.1.1900 6 (5), da Agnes 25.6.1914 83; Wm Johnstone retired smith d Leith 8.1.1931 92
Walter Fairley late gardener Macbiehill 8.1.1820 52, w Janet Harper d ? aged 77, da Jean inf, s Wm late teacher Tweedsmuir d 19.3.1830 33
I think it is the top one that you are interested in but maybe the second is of some interest too.
I have checked the old burial ground at Castlecraig but nothing but in the Kirkurd records I found: -
(On back, carving of spade & rake crossed)
John Bailie late gardener Kirkurd 18.7.1811 83, w Marion Fairly 5.11.1787 55, da Jean 30.9.1771 4 first corpse buried in this graveyard
(With urn) John Swan mason Kirkurd 17.4.1792 54, w Margt Johnston 22.9.180(5) 6 (5), s John mason Harestane 8.8.184(3) 79 (w Janet Kemp 31.10.1860 94, great gs Alex Gibson s of Wm Gibson d May 1881 19); Wm Gibson d Castlecraig 20.8.1904 72, da Margt 23.3.1885 17; Janet Liddel w of Wm Gibson 21.3.1909 8 (9)
Good luck.
Brina :)
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Thanks Avril,
I've not done much research into this line of my family but I will keep a note of that. My GG Grandfather was Adam Johnstone. He was married to Janet Brown in West Linton in 1857. They moved from the area around 1860-1863 and eventually settled in Kirknewton. Adam's parents were Walter Johnstone (Blacksmith) and Marion Fairlie, Walter's parents being James Johnstone (also a Blacksmith) and Agnes Gibson. I have them in the West Linton area back to around 1800 so there may well be a connection somewhere to the Johnstone family who previously owned your farm.
brina,
That's great, many thanks, there is a lot of info there that I do not have. I will need to check the detail on Janet Harper's husband - I have him as "Adam" Fairlie, Gardener at Macbiehill, taken from his daughters marriages in 1817, 1823 & 1826, and also his daughter Marion's Death Record in 1858. "William Fairley, Schoolmaster in Tweedsmuir Parish" was a witness at the 3 above marriages, presumably his sisters.
Thanks again,
Canisp
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Please note that when I copied the following inscription I put Walter when in fact it should read Adam.
Walter Adam Fairley late gardener Macbiehill 8.1.1820 52, w Janet Harper d ? aged 77, da Jean inf, s Wm late teacher Tweedsmuir d 19.3.1830 33
Apologies.
Brina ;)
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Hi Brina,
I am not sure if this is an impossible request but I have been trying to trace my ancestors' parents, James Scott and Jane Ogilvie. Robert Ogilvie Scott, their son, was born abt 1800 and I was told his parents both died young and the children were raised by his mother's sisters (Ogilvie) in the Peebles area. He came to South Africa in 1820-ish so I am assuming both his parents died between 1800-1815-ish. I have no idea how many Scotts and Ogilvies are listed in the book but if not too many, Iwould really appreciate if you could check them for me. I am also not 100% sure of their forenames so if you see any married couples dying within that period, I would be FOREVER in your debt :D
thanks
Jenny
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Hi Jenny,
I have had a good look though the information and regret to say that I cannot see a couple with these names. I discounted the first names just in case they were wrong. Do you think that Ogilvie was definitely the mother's maiden name? There were absolutely no Ogilvie's listed at all. A number of Scott's but nothing seemed to match.
I am so sorry. I presume that you have tried Scotland's people.
If you find any more information then I am happy to look again.
Brina ???
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Hi Brina,
Thanks so much for taking the time to look - much appreciated. My great uncle mentioned Peebles and Roxburgh and said the South African farm, Mount Pleasant was named after the family house/farm which I am assuming was somewhere in that area.
As I have never been to the border region of Scotland, I am not sure if these places were too far apart or just around the corner from each other. It is SO tantalising as I have found a farm house called 'Mount Pleasant, on the road between Duns and Swinton on Google Earth and I am just hoping that in the future, there is some way I might be able to find previous tenants of the house.
I have managed to find only one marriage for Scott/Ogilvie at Scotland's people, James Scott/Beatrix Ogilvie and that was in Ashkirk, Selkirk and they had a son Robert Ogilvie Scott so I am persuing that at the moment.
Thanks once again :)
Jenny
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Hi Jenny,
Just to let you know that when I did a brief search on Scotlandspeople without spending any credits I did notice that there were a number of Ogilvie's in Roxburghshire. Travelling by car from Peebles to Duns would take about 1 hour and it is about 46 miles on not terribly good roads so that should give you an idea of distance.
However the Ashkirk family sounds promising and that is not too far from Peebles (26 miles) so I will be very interested to hear if you find out anything else.
I will let you know if I unearth anything else. Good luck.
Brina :)
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Jenny, you have maybe looked at Family Search I don't know but I have just had a quick look and see this Robert Ogilvey Scott was born at Ashkirk in 1804 and the parents Beatrix Ogilvey and James Scott were married at Cavers in Roxburghshire in 1800.
Do you know the names of any other children?
Brina
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Had another look on Familysearch IGI and found Robert Ogilvey Scott christened 26 March 1804, Thomas christened 27 June 1801, Janet christened 2 November 1801 and William (born) 7 August 1806 - all Ashkirk and all to James Scott and Beatrix Ogilvy. Do any of the other childrens names match to any you know? If so this might be the family you are looking for.
Brina
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Hi Brina,
thanks for all the lookups. Unfortunately I don't know the names of his siblings but his Children included a James, Robert, Thomas, and Jane. 3 others named from their South African mother's side. I am so tempted by this family but I cannot find any descendants named Beatrix and if one follows the naming patterns, their 2nd daughter should be Beatrix and not Jane Margaret. a tad frustrating but I am hoping one day I will have a breakthrough
regards Jenny
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Dear Brina,
Just wondering if you have any record of the following graves in Peebleshire
Firsttly I think in Eddlestone any reference to a James Walker who I think would be born around 1780 and his wife Kathrine or Cathrine Watson
Also either there or in Peebles either a Janet Walker, wife of John Stevenson she was born 23 July 1802 , John Stevenson her husband born around that time and their 2 sons Robert [born 1822] and James [1824]
Thanks so much
Julia
New Zealand ???
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Hi Julia,
Sorry to say that I cannot see any reference to Walker or Watson in Eddleston. I do see a Stevenson but it is for a Margaret Stevenson who died Edinburgh 1858 who was married to John Cochrane farmer at Nether Kidston.
I have also searched Peebles for you and found this one:-
Alex Walker 11.6.1870 87, w Grace Laidlaw 7.7.1833 65 (?), da Helen 11.11.1863 (40), s Geo 6.7.1818 1, da Mary 2.2.1843 21, by yt da Janet NZ 1873, gs John Walker 13.6.190(6) 74 (w Isabella Ker 24.1.191(6) 78, da Grace Ker Walker 5.1.1939 70)
This is exactly how it is typed.
Do you think that this is your family? Obviously the NZ part jumped out to me.
Feel free to ask me to check any other if you wish.
Kind regards
Brina :)
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Julia,
I see that there is a Janet Walker born in Peebles 1803 to James Walker and Katherine Watson. Will this be the same people? I know the date is slightly out but it may be the same family.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTBN-49C
Brina ;)
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Yes that's the family Brina. The other NZ connection is not mine. Our family didn't come here till the 1920s but thanks
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Hello Brina,
Would you mind please checking Newlands Churchyard to see if there is an MI for a THOMAS BROWN who probably died before 1842 and his wife JANET BROWN (maiden name also Brown) who died after 1850 and probably before 1855.
Thanks,
Canisp.
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Hi Canisp,
I have had a look and am sorry to say cannot find any reference to Thomas or Janet. :(
Brina
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Are you still researching these Johnstones? My gg grandfather was James Johnstone, a brother of your Adam Johnstone with parents Walter Johnstone (blacksmith) and Marion Fairlie. I can give you details of that Johnstone line right back to James Johnstone who died in 1691 - oldest decipherable tombstone at Drummelzier - TXif you are still interested.
Carrie
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Hello Carrie, yes I have all the details you mention above and visited Drummelzier last year. I think we have been in contact before. I will send you a PM.
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Hi Brina. I saw your offer to do lookups and some samples for West Linton.
My WHITE family lived in West Linton from at least 1700 to early 1800's although I may still have some relations there. My branch of family came to New Zealand in 1858.
Brief outline - Thomas WHITE born about 1675; had son Robert 1698 who married Margaret Murray 1723, Their son Thomas b. 1726 mar. Jean Melrose and had son Robert 1751 who mar. Lillias Gray 1775. He died 1816. Their son Thomas b.1799 mar. Jane Kemp about 1804. He died 1852 but think family had shifted to Edinburgh by then.
Hope you can help. Regards Chas Le Breton
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Hi Chas,
Sorry I haven't been in touch sooner. Looked up the book tonight and this is what I found re the names you gave. I've copied it exactly so hope you are OK with the abbreviations.
Robert White wright 23.8.1816 65, w Lilias Gray 9.2.1849 92; Helen White Feb 1783 1 1/2; Jas White Feb 1793 12; Robt White July 1798 10; Alex June 1808 12; Robt Feb 1809 5; Thos 21.8.1823 44
This is obviously your family. There are a few other entries for White but the names don't match with those you supplied. I can copy them out for you if you wish. I have cross checked the womens maiden names and don't think any are related.
Brina😃
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Thanks Brina. Was certainly worth the wait. Robert White and Lillian Gray are about my 6xGP's on my mum's side of family. Did not have Lillias's death before so ta for that. Some of children are also interesting but I am still trying to sort some of them out.
Thomas died 1823 aged 44 is particularly interesting as I think I have him dying 9 years later aged 52. He would be my 5xGP. His wife Janet Kemp died 1856 but I do not know where. Can you check her please in case buried somewhere else in same cemetery.
You did not say where these subs were - which cemetery. One attached to church?
If you are happy to look have other family members who lived at Slipperfield, Biggar, Crichton, Lasswade, St Cuthberts and Cramond but some of these are not in Peebleshire as far as I am aware.
Any help/suggestions would be much appreciated. Can provide more information if you want.
Regards Chas Le Breton
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Hi again Brina.
Have had a further look. Have at least 5 generations of WHITE's born in West Linton 1700 - to early - mid 1800's so it is likely many of the WL White's are related.
Some other known marriages are John Tait/Lillias White; William White/Mary Turner; William White/Christina Spears and Robert White/Margaret Craig. There was at least another James White who married but I do not know his wife's name. Also many other children but no known attachments.
Regards Chas Le Breton
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Brina, I had hoped to find Memorial Inscriptions book by Sheila Scott to find out the words at bottom of Betsy Proudfoot (death 14 Dec 1877) grave in Skirling Parish Churchyard. It was dedicated to her by her son, Robert Noble. It starts out "This tribute of a love" and is practically illegible. Thank you for your help!
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Hi again Brina.
Reason I asked for help was 2 cousins going to UK for World Cup and taking time to have a look around. You may be interested to know that they managed to visit West Linton cemetery and found several headstones of interest including one for Robert and Lillias WHITE.
I am hoping to get some photos soon. Apparently inscription is still quite clear.
Thanks again for your help.
Regards Chas Le Breton
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Wkarvetski I am so sorry that I've taken so long to send this message, have been pretty busy. I've looked at the record but all it says is as follows:-
Wm Noble d Stirling 11.11.1879 68, w Betsy Proudfoot d there 14.12.1877 70, 6 of their chn inf.
I guess Sheila Scott only recorded the facts on the stones, not anything else.
Brina.
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Hi Chas,
Thank you so much for letting me know why you wanted this information. Happy to know that I have helped your cousins in some small way.
Brina
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Good evening, I have been trying without success to find an online copy of Monumental inscriptions pre-1855 in Peeblesshire! If it is still possible for a lookup please Brina? Looking for any inscriptions relating to the surname Carrick in Kirkurd and Kilbucho. Thank you, Anabanana
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I live near Kirkurd if you would like me to take photo for you?
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Thank you so much Mrs A, that is really kind of you. I'm afraid I'm not even sure if there are any Carrick headstones at Kirkurd, but I know the family lived there (e.g. Bryland) in the 1700s and early 1800s. Was hoping someone might have a copy of the inscriptions book to do a lookup
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Had a wander around the graveyard today and found an old Carrick headstone. Pretty illegible due to erosion but quite a substantial headstone. Could make out John Carrick died aged 89 years , and sadly also a 10 year old child. There appears to be quite a list of names but difficult to read. Took a photo on my phone but maybe could get a better one on my camera. If this sounds like your family, I shall go back with my camera, it’s very near me so no trouble
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Oh Mrs A! Thank you so much, that’s so kind of you. Definitely the family I’d say. Were you able to make out any dates/years at all? The head of the family was a John Carrick, I don’t know when he died though. There’s a death of a John in 1811 in nearby Culter but last known address of our John is Harestanes? And before that Bryland. He’s in the kirk sessions having been appointed an elder in the 1790s. Thanks again, I really appreciate it.
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Do you have date of birth for John Carrick?
Harestones is also at Kirkurd
https://www.ancient-stones.co.uk/borders/011/020/details.htm
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I reckon about 1740 - 50s. He married Euphemia Barclay in 1777. His residence at the time was Kilbucho, and hers Culter. Thank you for the link :)