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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Wiltshire => Topic started by: AussieGaz on Sunday 28 February 10 05:25 GMT (UK)
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Relatives of ours who migrated out to South Africa, where they are buried, were married in England.
My mothers maternal grandmother was Dorothy Hanbury Hanbury-King (born Whitehead - confirmed from detail obtained in the 1938 book The South African Woman's Who's Who). She was born around 1870 in Galton Lodge, Surrey and her father was a John Dunstan Whithead of Barnjet, Kent
She died on 23rd July 1946 in Durban, South Africa aged 76 years. She married Frederick Thomas King.
From the Death Certificates of Frederick and Dorothy, it’s recorded that they were married in England.
Family folk law has it that Frederick Thomas King arrived in South Africa with the surname of only King, but on discovering that there were numerous King’s in the country, he decided to change his name to Hanbury-King. He is still recorded on the 1891 Census as living in Stockton, Wiltshire where he was still a "King". My great grandmother was born in 1901 in South Africa, so I assume that the change might well have happened soon after he got married, whenever that was!! I have not been able to confirm what name he arrived in South Africa as.
According to their death certificates, Frederick Thomas and Dorothy Hanbury-King had 8 children.
Would any Rootschatterer have any knowledge at all on Dorothy Whitehead??
thanks
Gaz
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Dorothy Hanbury Whitehead - birth registered Dec.qtr 1871 Reigate Surrey
Dorothy Hanbury Whitehead married Frederick Thomas King
June qtr 1893 District.Barnet 3a 330
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Hi skylark
Thanks for the information you provided on Dorothy Whitehead - will add it to my notes.
These days it is more often that the wife takes on the name of her husband, however it seems that in this case Frederick Thomas took on Dorothy's and so it became a double-barrelled surname.
I will try and order a copy of the relevent certificates.
Since February, I have also been sent information from the 1881 census of the Whithead family headed by John D. so its seems to be jelling together slowly
much appreciated and regrads
Gaz
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Hi
Family Search Pilot Christening: Dorothy Hanbery WHITEHEAD , Female , 19 Dec 1871 , Gatton Surrey England , father John Dunstan WHITEHEAD , mother Rose
Free BMD Marriage: Jun 1852, John Dunstan WHITEHEAD & Rose SELBY Malling 2a 424
Family Search Pilot Burial: John Dunstan WHITEHEAD, male, 21 Mar 1887, Merstham Surrey, aged 60, birth date 1827
Family Search Pilot Burial: Rose WHITEHEAD, Female, 25 Aug 1886, Merstham Surrey, age 51, birth date 1835 (one of two likely looking options on this site)
If you take a look at the free site http://pilot.familysearch.org you will find quite alot pertaining to Dorothy, her parents, and her siblings.
Do you have the family on the census' prior to the 1881 census you mentioned?
Cheers
Vaz :)
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just in case you dont have the earlier cencus returns for this family
here is the 1871 cencus
living at gatton lodge,london road,reigate surrey
john dunstan whitehead 44yrs married hop factor born kent
rose 35yrs wife born kent
maria.r 18yrs daughter born kent
clara.m 17yrs daughter born kent
gertrude.a 10yrs daughter born surrey
magdalene.r 6yrs daughter born surrey
edward.d 4yrs son born surrey
elizabeth comlin 30yrs servant
caroline weeks 21yrs servant
harriett.m austin 17yrs servant
SOURCE INFO-RG10-830
FOLIO-110
PAGE-22
regards
alli
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living at ::)6 gresham road,lambeth in 1861-
john whitehead 35yrs married hop factor born yalding hertfordshire
rose 27yrs wife born west maling hertfordshire
maria.r 8yrs daughter born chart sutton hertfordshire
clara.m 7yrs daughter born chart sutton hertfordshire
john.d 5yrs son born chart sutton hertfordshire
anachel.e 4yrs daughter born chart sutton hertfordshire
maud.a 2yrs daughter born barwick st johns wiltshire
gertrude.a 10 months daughter born brixton surrey
+ 4 servants
SOURCE INFO-RG9-365
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PAGE-17
regards
alli
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this is the 1851 cencus with john dunston whitehead at home with his family
living at barnyett,extrapariochial west barming,maidstone
john whitehead 52yrs marrried land proprietor born ash kent
mary 37yrs wife born gouldhurst kent
john dunston 23yrs unmarried son farmer of 180 acres employing 14 men born yalding kent
arthur 15yrs son born yarding kent
gervase 14yrs son born westbarming
edmund 11yrs son born west barming
francis.v 10yrs son born west barming
albert 8yrs son born west barming
elizabeth 5yrs daughter born west barming
alice.r 1yr daughter born west barming
+5 servants
SOURCE INFO-H0107-1616
FOLIO-555
PAGE-36
regards
alli
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living at the same address in 1841-
john whitehead 40yrs
mary 25yrs
charles 7yrs
arthur 6yrs
gowan 5yrs
clara catherine 3yrs
edmund 1yr
francis vincent 4 months
+5 servants
SOURCE INFO-H0107-456
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hope this helps?
regards
alli
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1891 - Rowley Bank, Shenley, Hertfordshire
Sydney Claris H.mar.37 stock jobber b.Canterbury Kent
Gertrude A Claris W.mar.26 b,Brixton London
Sydney D Claris.S.5 b.Shenley Herts.
Gertrude E Claris.D.3 b.Shenley Herts.
Douglas J Claris.S.1 b.Shenley Herts.
Phyllis M Claris.D.10m. b.Shenley Herts.
Dorothy P? Whitehead.S. wife's sister 19 b.Reigate Surrey
Jane B Perry serv. 40 cook domestic b.Witham Essex
1901 - Knoll View, Bayham Road, Sevenoaks, Kent
Clara Hanbury H.mar. 47 b. Chart? Sutton Kent
John Whitehead, brother. singl. 46 Hop factor, agent, employer. b. Chart? Sutton Kent
Gladys Hanbury, daughter, single 20 b. Maidstone Kent
Dorothy Hanbury, daughter, single 18 b.Maidstone Kent
Sydney Claris, br.in.law. mar. 48 stock jobber-agent employer b. Canterbury Kent
Gertrude Claris, sister, mar, 40 b. Brixton
Sarah Burgess, cook, S. 28 b Lamberhurst Kent
Annie Burgess, parlor maid S 19 b.Edenbridge Kent
Marjorie Whitehead, sister, S. 27 b. Red Hill Surrey
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gertrude alice whitehead married sydney clarris june qtr 1885 vol 1a page 659
regards
alli
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john dunstan whithead married rose selby june qtr 1852 malling district vol 2a p 424
john dunstan whitehead aged 60yrs death registered march qtr 1887 reigate district vol 2a page 113
regards
alli
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john dunstan whithead junior married elfrida mildrid.v hanbury june qtr 1901 wandsworth district vol 1d p 950.by 1911 they are living in devon with children elfirda dorothy and cecilia edvira plus sister in law rachel barely hanbury
regards
alli
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Hi Alli and skylark
I have to say it once again that RootsChat is amazing.
Just got back from a shocker of a day at the office and opened up my posts, and you have provided me with more information than I ever knew on the family. What a brilliant way to brighten up the day.
My elderly mother who is over 80 will be absolutely ecstatic with what you guys have found out and provided, and I thank you so much for taking the time to do the delving into the various repositories. I will include the additional information to what I have already this weekend when I have some free time.
Kind regards and thanks
Gaz
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My pleasure -
Who are the parents of Frederick Thomas King. I see a birth June qtr. 1868 Reg. Dist. Warminster Wiltshire 5a 165. This is the reg. Dist. for Stockton. ............ or do you have all you need to know on the King side.
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yo are more than welcome :)
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This has all been very fascinating for me, as Magdalene Rebecca Whitehead (Dorothy's sister) was my great-grandmother. I have long been interested in Rose Selby (Magdalene and Dorothy's mother) as for some reason a great many of Magdalene's descendants have all 'had' to bear the name of Selby as a middle name, myself included.
I have often pondered at the influence this lady must have had on her family, that a family tradition should carry on for so long. I have yet to find whether any of Rose's other children continued the name likewise!
Magdalene was married twice. Firstly to an Edgar Ranger, by whom she had two children, Edgar (b c 1888) and Magdelene (b 1880). Edgar died in 1892 and she subsequently married my great-grandfather, Alfred William Ades. They had three sons who survived until adulthood - Alfred Dunstan Edmund Selby Ades, Esmund Selby Ades (my grandfather) and Alan David Selby Ades. The family can be found on both the 1901 census (in Hornsey) and the 1911 census (in Bedford).
Can anyone help me with the whereabouts of the other Whitehead siblings, Maria, Anabel, Maude and Edward in the 1901 census, or their marriages/descendants.
I would love to have a list of Dorothy's children, to add to my details of Rose's grandchildren. Please feel free to msg me AussieGaz (my distant cousin!).
Regards
Caroline Selby Ades (nee)
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daughter margorie whitehead born c 1872 is with relations in yorkshire in 1891
SOURCE INFO-RG12-3967
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the family include eden heywood gawne and his wife anabel.
anabel constance whitehead married eden heywood gawne sept 1887 reigate district.
looks like sister.
in 1901 shes with sister clara and brother john in kent and sister gertrude
living at knowle veiw ,bayham road seven oaks
clara hanbury 47yrs married born chartsutton
john whitehead 46yrs unmarried brother
gladys hanbury daughter 20yrs unmarried daughter
dorothy hanbury 18yrs unmarried daughter
sydney clarris 48yrs stock jobber brother in law
gertrude clarris married sister born kent
+ 3 servants
marjorie whithead 27yrs unmarried sister
SOURCE INFO-RG13-747
FOLIO-97
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regards
alli
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looks like margorie never married shes with her sister again in reigate surrey
marjorie jessie whitehead 39yrs single born redhill surrey with widowed sister gertrude clarris and children.incidentley gertrudes son sydney has the dunston middle name
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eden and anabel gawne are still in yorkshire in 1901 and have the added bonus of neice cecile.r hanbury living with them shes 23yrs and still single
SOURCE INFO-RG13-4532
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regards
alli
annabel constance gawne aged 52yrs death registered scarboro dec 1908
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maude agnes whithead married archibald sydney farmer sept 1890 bromley district
living at holmside arkley herts in 1901
archibald s farmer 48yrs married company clerk
maud.a 42yrs wife born berwick st johns wiltshire
norah 9yrs daughter born barnet
archibald.oustow 8yrs son born barnet
reginald.s 6yrs son born barnet
hilda 5yrs daughter born barnet
francis.hamilton 3yrs son born arkley
+ 2 servants
SOURCE INFO-RG13-1229
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regards
alli
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edward whitehead married emily ada spreadborough dec 1891 kingston district .looks like there were no kids as there are none by 1911 and they had been married 19yrs with 0 kids
regards
alli
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i beleive maria on the 1871 cencus was rose marie born 1853 malling district.there is a marriage for a rose marie whithead june 1878 district there are 2 likely candidates either horaatio tubbs or james gathercole/gatta cole.cant find any of them after that date.
regards
alli
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Thanks so much for all this info! Much appreciated.
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Hi Gaz and Caroline,
I have to put my hand up to belonging to this family as well, though a little off to one side! John Dunstan WHITEHEAD'S parents were John WHITEHEAD and Martha Eliza PIPER. They had three children before Martha died, and John remarried to Mary MILLES. I am descended from the second marriage. The "Dunstan" comes from John's great grandmother Ann DUNSTAN.
I have a copy of the memoirs of Vera Mary Leigh Hunt EVANS (formerley Whitehead) who was also from the second marriage, though she does mention John and Rose's family and the Hanburys. It is a fabulous account of the Whitehead family at Barnjet.
I will PM you and arrange to send a copy (your Mum will need a really strong cup of tea for this Gaz! ;D)
Caroline you will need to make one more post before I can PM you.
Debra
(Also in sunny Queensland)
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Thank you so much, Debra. Please feel free to pm me.
I would love to read the book. Unfortunately I am not yet any nearer to finding out why I am named after Rose after all these years, but anything about the family would be fascinating.
Regards
Caroline
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This thread fascinated me as my Great Grandmother was one Mabel Barry Whitehead (1883-1945), the second daughter of Lt Col Edmund Whitehead and Georgiana Sarah Carr. Edmund was the fourth son of John Whitehead of Barnjet and Mary Milles. A few years ago I was sent a number of individual trees which had been compiled by Vera Whitehead's son, Charles Evans, so I have fairly complete information about this family, and would be happy to share my knowledge with anyone who was interested!
John Whitehead (1796-1879) was the son of Charles Whitehead (1755-1833) of Ash Place and Mary Miller. This Charles was the son of the Rev Charles Whitehead (1719-1792), who was vicar of East Grinstead in Sussex, and Anne Dunstan. His father was Gervase Whitehead (1690-1739) and Elizabeth Rogis or Bovis. Gervase (another name which stuck in the Whitehead family) was gardner at Knole for the Sackville family.
The Whiteheads are an interesting bunch. My Gt Gt Grandfather was Chief Magistrate on Heligoland when it was handed over to the Germans in exchange for Zanzibar in 1890. His brother, Charles, was the first agricultural adviser to the Privy Council, and was knighted for his efforts. If you read this Debra, I'd be interested to see the memoir and have photos of Barming House and various Whiteheads which I could send on.
Hope this is of some help.
Robert
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Hi Robert,
Nice to meet you! ;D
I am descended from Edmund's brother Francis who immigrated to Tasmania with his family. I will contact you by PM, but you have to make one more post before I can.
Debra :D
PS. My avatar is my grandmother who was Francis' granddaughter.
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Debra,
Thanks for the response - good to meet you too! I look forward to receiving your message! Hopefully, I've now posted enough posts!
Robert
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AussieGaz my name is Geoff hanbury-king and we have the original name change for hanbury and king. NF H-K is my great grandfather. We live in zar
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AussieGaz my name is Geoff hanbury-king and we have the original name change for hanbury and king. NF H-K is my great grandfather. We live in zar
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I'm new to RootsChat so forgive me if I'm not replying correctly to this thread.
I am picking up on the Whiteheads in Barnjet, Kent and have written responses to a few people who have included information/notes - hope this works!
Let me know where I've gone wrong if not. :-)
to AussieGaz
Dorothy Whitehead’s father was John Dunstan Whitehead
One of Dorothy’s brothers (John Dunstan jnr) married into the Hanbury family - Elffrida Mildred Victoria Hanbury
One of Dorothy’s sisters (Clara Martha) married into the Hanbury family - Ernest Osgood - later divorced
John Dunstan Whitehead was brother of Thomas Miller Whitehead
One of this children (Fanny Martha Whithead) also married into the Hanbury family - Edwin Charles Hanbury
…and there were probably more!
The Hanbury family were of status - I have only just started researching them but their family bank later joined with the Lloyds brothers from Birmingham and the end result is the Lloyds bank we know today in the UK.
Dorothy was obviously given the name due to the family connections (I can’t spot a direct link) and my suspicion is therefore that the Hanbury name was used as a means of status.
I live in Kent and travelled over to Yalding today (about 20 minutes) and found the grave/monument where John and Martha Eliza are buried along with their children Thomas Miller, John Dunstan and Martha Anne - I have photos of this and the Church if you’re interested.
As a point of interest, John Dustan jnr married a Rose Selby
She was born in West Malling, where I live.
West Malling is about 10 minute drive from Barnjet (now really part of Barming, outside Maidstone in Kent)
I have only just started searching this line of my family tree but I went to the church next to Barnjet today and found the grave of John Whitehead and Mary (John’s second wife)
The grave of Decimus Whitehead is also there along with Alice Rebecca Whitehead.
There were also a number of Selby’s.
Barnjet is the next property on from the church although it is set back from the road and surrounded by farmland so it can’t really be seen.
I'm intending to try and find out who lives there in order to get in touch so I don’t know if we can continue this conversation on a private message so I can keep you in the loop - I’m new to Rootschat so not sure how it all works.
to carochar
As I mention above - there are number of Selby’s buried at Barming Church so let me know if you would like me to note any of these down as the name is of interest to you.
Debra (Dundee)
Those memoirs have really caught my eye and I would love to learn more about the property, especially as I'm hoping to get in touch with the current owners. I know it’s a cheek with so many people being interested but do let me know if you feel you could share them with me.
robert (Macduff D)
Again, if you would be willing to share any photos you have of Barming from the past, it would be great to be able to provide you with current photos if you don’t have access to these.
I'm not sure where you're from but I'm intending to pay the Kent History library a visit so may be able to find some other photos if you have a particular interest.
In short - to everyone. I live close to where the early Whiteheads lived and it's all of interest to me so let me know if there's anything in particular you would like me to look into, photograph, etc.
Matt
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Hello Crimbo
Not too sure what has happened however I cannot see me ever having thanked you for all of the information that you shared in your post from some years ago.
Fascinating.
I have not had time to do much on my research, so its great to rekindle the process.
Much appreciated
AussieGaz
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Hi Geoff,
Not a problem at all - feel free to ask any questions about the local area or to see if I can get any useful photos etc.
Take care.
Matt