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Title: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: castlebob on Wednesday 03 March 10 11:00 GMT (UK)
Hello All,
Can someone access the Utah census & see if Albert Bird Armstrong b 1900 in Salt Lake City is shown, please?
Many thanks,
Bob
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: kerry1212 on Wednesday 03 March 10 11:12 GMT (UK)
hi bob i found a albert bird armstrong but says he was born 1873?

his mother and father are william and patience in salt lake city

if you want the info let me know

kerry

Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: kerry1212 on Wednesday 03 March 10 11:15 GMT (UK)
i found his ww1 draft card born 1900 30th may it says his present occupation is farm labourer, and he is employed by a william bird armstrong and his nearest relative is priscilla jane armstrong

kerry
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: kerry1212 on Wednesday 03 March 10 11:19 GMT (UK)
he is on the 1920 census with patience and william he is their grandson so the albert born 1873 is his father he was born in england, they are in Santaquin, Utah

kerry
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: kerry1212 on Wednesday 03 March 10 11:22 GMT (UK)
in 1910 he is with his parents and siblings


Albert B Armstrong    37 born england
Mary E Armstrong    29 born england
Priscilla J Armstrong 11 born utah
Albert B Armstrong    9 born utah
Isabel M Armstrong    8
Mary G Armstrong    8/12 utah
Heleman M Gold    20 brother in law so mary's maiden name is gold

kerry
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: kerry1212 on Wednesday 03 March 10 11:27 GMT (UK)
in 1930 he is married with sister isabelle living with them

Albert b Armstrong     29
Vera Armstrong    27
Albert T Armstrong    2 4/12
Isabella Armstrong    28

kerry
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: castlebob on Wednesday 03 March 10 11:27 GMT (UK)
Thank you Kerry, you're a star!
Your input greatly appreciated - & so quickly.
Cheers
Bob
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 03 March 10 11:48 GMT (UK)
Hello Castlebob,

It would appear your Albert Bird Armstrong married Vera Leone Belliston.

Vera born 7 Jan 1903 Salt Lake City Died 10 March 1969 Salt Lake City.
Albert 30 March 1900 Salt Lake City Died 22 Jan 1973 Salt Lake City.

His father Albert Died 15 Jan 1913 Salt Lake City.
Pricilla Elizabeth Jordon, his mother died 1 Jan 1904 South Bountiful, Davis, Utah,

Information on Albert's other siblings if you want.  ;D
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 03 March 10 12:19 GMT (UK)
Looks like the father Albert Bird Armstrong March 1873 was married twice.
This is 1900 census Salt Lake City Ward 3, Salt Lake, Utah. His father William April 1841 and family are on the same census page above him
Albert Armstrong 27 Married 1898. Immigrated 1876. Locomotive Fireman.
Lizzie Armstrong 21 Born England April 1879. Immigrated 1885
Priscilla Armstrong 1
Baby Armstrong 1 month old. So this is probably son Albert Bird Armstrong.

The 1910 census does say M2 = Marriage 2 and the details of his wife Mary are Born Utah 1881 of English parents. It is her first marriage and she has had 1 child. So Mary G Armstrong was born from this marriage, the other children were to his first wife.
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 03 March 10 12:39 GMT (UK)
Hello Castlebob.

Have just come across a photograph of Albert Bird Armstrong's (1900)  grandfather William Bird Armstrong 1841 Carlisle and a passport application for William in 1912, always interesting to read the details some of these give. William was born Carlisle 19 March 1841. He emmigrated from Liverpool about 24 March 1876. Has resided uninterruptedly for 36 years in the USA at Salt Lake City. Utah. He became a naturalised citizen through the third judiical court of the USA in Salt Lake City 20 March 1882. Permanent residence 333 W.1st Street Salt Lake City. Occupation is a machinist. He intends to return to the USA within 2 years. Ahe 71 years. height 5ft 5 ins. Forhead:- High receding. Nose:- Medium large. Eyes:- Brown. Mouth:- Medium. Chin:- Bearded. Hair:- Grey. Complextion:- Dark. Face:- Medium.
Application sworn 12 March 1912. Applicant requires passport to be sent to:- William B Armstrong. 295 Edge Lane. Liverpool. England.  ;D
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 03 March 10 13:11 GMT (UK)
Hello Again Bob,

The son mentioned in on the 1930 census is listed in US Phone and Address Directory at the same address 1993 - 2000. I think he may be the same person listed in these land records for Utah:-



http://www.co.utah.ut.us/Dept/Record/LandRecordsandMaps/PartyName.asp?avname=ARMSTRONG,%20ALBERT%20BIRD%20JR

Perhaps this is the winding up of an estate ???
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 03 March 10 13:23 GMT (UK)
Hi Bob,

Sending obituary info on Charles Allen Armstrong who died Jan 18th 2010 who was the son of William Bird Armstrong Jnr 1863 England - (brother of Albert) and Mary Elizabeth Gold (widow of Albert - see later explaination. So a half-brother to Albert (1900) !!



http://www.bismarckfuneralhome.com/obits/view.asp?ID=911
http://www.bismarcktribune.com/lifestyles/announcements/obituaries/article_d74bfb4a-0614-11df-8bf9-001cc4c03286.html


This was Clarence in 1930 with parents and sibling.
Salt Lake City, Salt Lake.
William Armstrong 66 Married at 21 years
Mary Armstrong 42 (Was Mary Elizabeth Gold and widow of Albert)
Murtha Armstrong 23 (Martha - Telephone Operator) Daughter of William Armstrong and Mary Kemp
Anthon Armstrong 19 This is the son of Albert Bird 1873 & Mary Elizabeth Gold
Dawson Armstrong 17 Messenger Boy at Drug Store. Son of Albert and Mary Elizabeth Gold
Clarence Armstrong 10 Son of William Bird Armstrong 1863 and Mary Elizabeth Gold
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 03 March 10 13:40 GMT (UK)
This is another of the children of William Bird Armstrong Jnr (brother of Albert) and Mary Kemp.
Donna Jubilia Armstrong ( 23rd July 1897) married Joseph Antoine Seguin 24 Nov 1915 Farmington Davis. Utah. 1910 census shows Donna with William Bird Armstrong Jnr and Mother Mary Kemp plus siblings. William Bird Armstrong 1841 and Patience are just above them on the census. Donna died 7 Nov 2000 Salt Lake City.
William Armstrong 46
Mary Armstrong 42 Had 5 children - 5 survive.
William Armstrong Jr. 21
Saddie Armstrong 17
Donna Armstrong 12
Leoronerd Armstrong 9 (Leonard)
Martha Armstrong 3

Details for Donna Jubilia Armstrong and family here:-

http://www.familypursuit.com/genealogy/armstrong_donna/donna-jubilia-armstrong-b.1897-d.2000-1

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=NewsLibrary&p_multi=DSNB&d_place=DSNB&p_theme=newslibrary2&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0F365853DDE91CAA&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 03 March 10 14:17 GMT (UK)
Mary Gold Armstrong born 26 Aug 1909 - half-sister to Albert Bird Armstrong (1900) married Howard Milligan. Mary died 24 Oct 2004 - Bountiful, Davis, Utah, United States of America. Howard had died in 1 Sept 1963. Think Howard was Howard Ira Milligan born 20 Dec 1905 Salt Lake City.
Mary married at 18 years and Howard 21 years with a daughter on the 1930 census. (Better not name her)

Howard Ira Milligan was buried at Mt Olivet Cemetery 4 Sept 1963. Grave location:- Grave Location: East Park_77_6

1930 Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah
Howard Milligan 23 Furniture Salesman.
Mary Milligan 21
Plus a daughter
http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=NewsLibrary&p_multi=DSNB&d_place=DSNB&p_theme=newslibrary2&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=105FF6E5D2EF98C2&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM

Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 03 March 10 14:34 GMT (UK)
Priscilla J Armstrong born 16 Feb 1899 married Ray Artell Milligan born 18 Aug 1901 Ogden, Weber, Utah. They married 24 July 1922 Evanston, Uinta, Wyoming.
Ray Artell Milligan was the brother of Howard Milligan who married Albert Bird Armstrongs half sister.
So Howard and Ray were both sons of John Bull Milligan and Ida Ellen Bigelow.
Ray died 26 May 1951 Salt Lake City. Utah. Buried 29 May 1951 Wasatch Lawn Memorial Park, Salt Lake City, Salt Lake.
Priscilla Jane died 13 March 1982 Buried 17 March 1982 Wasatch Lawn Memorial Park, Salt Lake City, Salt Lake.
A Utah birth also gives a Priscilla J Armstrong born to Arthur B and Pricilla 10 April 1903 in Sounth Bountiful. So did the first one die as an infant and they named a second the same name  ?
This would be Priscilla with Ray in 1930 Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah. It also lists Isabella Armstrong.  She was also included in the 1930 with Albert and Vera !! Wonder if she could have married Frank Milligan - since her sister and brother had also married Milligans - must check that one out.
Ray C Milligan 28
Priscilla Milligan 28
Frank Milligan 22 Brother
Isabelle Armstrong 24 Sister In Law
Plus 2 children - will send by pm incase still living.

Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 03 March 10 15:32 GMT (UK)
Just to add another complication -It would appear that in the 1930 census of Wiliam Bird Armstrong Jnr 1863 and Mary Armstrong. a son Anthon/Anthony appears born 1911. In the obituary for Anthon/Anthony/Tony it says he was the son of Albert Bird and Mary Elizabeth Gold.

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=NewsLibrary&p_multi=DSNB&d_place=DSNB&p_theme=newslibrary2&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0F364FA4A93B6977&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM

On investigation it would appear that William Bird Armstrong originally married Mary Kemp, Mary died in April 1919. William Bird Armstrong then married the widow of his brother Albert (who had died in ( 1913 ) So William Bird Armstrong (1863) married Mary Elizabeth Gold 9 Oct 1919. Hence they are together on the 1920 census:-
William B Armstrong 56
Mary E G Armstrong 40
Leonard C Armstrong 18 Son of William and Mary Kemp
Martha H Armstrong 13 Daughter of William and Mary Kemp
Mary G Armstrong 10 Daughter of Albert and Mary Elizabeth Gold
Anthon G Armstrong 8 Son of Albert and Mary Elizabeth Gold
Dawson G Armstrong 6 Presume son of Albert and Mary Elizabeth Gold

So this gives your Albert (1900) - two more brothers.
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 03 March 10 15:37 GMT (UK)
According to anc...try tree - Dawson Gold Armstrong married in Farmington, Davis, Utah to a Dorothy M Dupree 18 March 1931.
Then to a Bowman 10 Dec 1937
According to California Death Index - Died in Portland. Oregon 3 March 1998
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: castlebob on Wednesday 03 March 10 15:49 GMT (UK)
Amazing, Dettori!
Thanks so much for the great effort. I'll have to grab some spare time & work through this staggering info.
Greatly appreciated.
Cheers
Bob
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 03 March 10 15:56 GMT (UK)
Your very welcome Bob. Must admit when I first looked this morning, I thought aah, Utah Mormons and Multiple marriages but it was'nt quite like that.
This would be the 1900 census for William Bird Armstrong and Mary Kemp which helps you to check that I have named the correct children for the correct parents in the later census.
Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah.
William Armstrong 35 Marriage Year 1888. This William died in 1931. (Father William Bird Armstrong 1841 - died in 1927)
Mary K Armstrong 32
William B Armstrong 11
Sadie Armstrong 9
Donna G Armstrong 2 - her marriage and details listed earlier.
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 03 March 10 16:02 GMT (UK)
William B born 1889 - son of William and Mary Kemp - was William Bert Armstrong.
William Bert married Sarah J Nielson 30 sept 1914 Salt Lake. William Bert Armstrong died 31 July 1967 Salt Lake. Utah.
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: castlebob on Wednesday 03 March 10 16:04 GMT (UK)
Thanks to you all. It always helps to have a more unusual name like 'Bird' as help in research.  I go quietly mad sifting through the numerous John's & William's!!!
Cheers
Bob
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 03 March 10 16:08 GMT (UK)
William Bert Armstrong and Sarah 1920 Precinct 3, Salt Lake, Utah
 
Wm B Armstrong 30 Labourer - Electric Fixtures
Sarah J Armstrong 30Born Utah. Danish Parents. Labour. Candy Factory.
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 03 March 10 16:12 GMT (UK)
Interesting link and article here on wife of Anthon/Anthony/Tony.

http://news.google.co.uk/newspapers?id=a4wqAAAAIBAJ&sjid=elgEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4906,5317360&dq=anthon+armstrong+utah&hl=en

Anthony worked for Bureau of Reclamation. Utah. Retired after 30 years of service for federal goverment.

http://news.google.co.uk/newspapers?id=AMEmAAAAIBAJ&sjid=XkoDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5212,620328&dq=anthon+armstrong+utah&hl=en
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 03 March 10 16:20 GMT (UK)
I was airing on the side of caution above, incase still living but unfortunately not. The wife of Anthony Gold Armstrong was Nancy Shearsmith. Nancy born 7 Oct 1902 Kington Upon Hull. UK died 8 Oct 1995. Parents Walter and Fanny Shearsmith. Arrived in Utah age 7 years and was adopted by Alexander and Sarah Dixon McConachie. Married Anthony July 4th in Provo. She was preceded in death by a daughter Mary Doris.

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=NewsLibrary&p_multi=DSNB&d_place=DSNB&p_theme=newslibrary2&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0F360E12FB228BE1&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM

http://news.google.co.uk/newspapers?id=eeURAAAAIBAJ&sjid=NewDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4965,6321746&dq=anthon+armstrong+utah&hl=en
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 03 March 10 16:24 GMT (UK)
Date of death for Anthony was 14 Nov 1999.

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=SLTB&p_theme=sltb&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=100F343F85832A4A&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 03 March 10 16:35 GMT (UK)
This 1910 shows you Nancy - Adopted Daughter in Salt Lake City Ward 3, Salt Lake, Utah.
Alexander C McConachie 45 Manager Restrauant
Sarah McConachie 38 Had 1 child - none survive
Nancy C McConachie 7 Year of immigration 1910
Tillie Coates 17 Servant

1920 Salt Lake City Ward 3, Salt Lake, Utah.
Alex McConachie 55 Sarah McConachie 48 Nancy McConachie 17

1930 Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah
Alexander L McConachie 66 Sarah A McConachie 58 Nancy S McConachie 27
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 03 March 10 16:55 GMT (UK)
Not sure if you want to explore Albert Bird Armstrong's (1900) Uncles ?
Truman Henry Armstrong 1875  married Eliza Tryphena Sessions 22 April 1896 Salt Lake City.
They appear on the 1900 census with William and Patience and new born son, also a brother Orson. Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah.
Wm Armstrong 59 Patience Armstrong 63 Orson Armstrong 29 Railroad Conductor.
Henry Armstrong 24 Locomotive Engineer
Eliza Armstrong 23
Lida Armstrong 2
Truman Armstrong 1

1910 Bountiful, Davis, Utah
Henry T Armstrong 35 Eliza T Armstrong 32
Sid P Armstrong 12 Truman H Armstrong 10 Gilbert S Armstrong 8 Beatrice Armstrong 6
Harald S Armstrong 4 Florence Armstrong 1
 

Bountiful, Davis, Utah 1920
Truman Armstrong 44 Eliza Armstrong 42
Truman Armstrong 20 Gilbert Armstrong 18
Beatrice Armstrong 16 20 Jan 1904 married Don Gordon Stringham 1 dec 1922 Died 17 April 1993  Active in the Democratic party and Red Cross during World War II and the American Legion. Sold millinery... Husband Don died 15 Jan 1979
Horolad Armstrong 14
Florence Armstrong 11

 

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=NewsLibrary&p_multi=DSNB&d_place=DSNB&p_theme=newslibrary2&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0F36076AC4B60F3D&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 03 March 10 16:59 GMT (UK)
1930  Bountiful, Davis, Utah

Henry Armstrong 54
Eliza Armstrong 52
Florence Bishop 21 Clerk. Sales. Just married
Max J Bishop 22 Labour Gasoline Station
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 03 March 10 17:10 GMT (UK)
Orson in 1910 with wife, family and still living with parents.
Salt Lake City Ward 3, Salt Lake, Utah.
William B Armstrong 69 Patience Armstrong 72
Orson E Armstrong 39 Married 2 years. Railroad Conductor.
Angelina Armstrong 38 Born Utah of Danish Parents.
Eugene Armstrong 1 2/12
Angelina Armstrong 0
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 03 March 10 17:15 GMT (UK)
Orson Eugene Armstrong 1920
Aaron E Armstrong 48 Conductor on railroad.
Angeline Armstrong 46
Eugene Armstrong 10
Angeline Armstrong 9

Orson Eugene in 1930
Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah
Owen Armstrong 59 No Occupation
Anna R Armstrong 56
Eugene Armstrong 21 Coach Cleaner. Railroad.
Angelene Armstrong 20 Elevator Operator. dept Store.
Neola Wordwood 20 Boarder
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 03 March 10 18:45 GMT (UK)
Martha born 12 Aug 1906, daughter of William Bird Armstrong and Mary Kemp died 29 April 1999.
Married a John A Lomax Jnr 1st July 1931. Was known as Martha H "Pat" Lomax.
She graduated from West High and furthered her education at the University of Utah. Previous to her marriage, she was employed by the American Telephone &Telegraph Company, serving in many capacities from 1925 to 1931.
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 03 March 10 19:44 GMT (UK)
Leonard Charles or Charles Leonard Armstrong born 6 April 1901, son of William Bird Armstrong Jnr and Mary Kemp.
Married Charlotte Erma Mitchell 23 May 1927 Farmington, Davis, Utah.
Leonard died 22 Sept 1993 Salt lake City.
Charlotte preceded him in death - 8 July 19
1930 Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah.

Charles L Armstrong 28
Erma Armstrong 23
Plus a daughter I will pm details.

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=NewsLibrary&p_multi=DSNB&d_place=DSNB&p_theme=newslibrary2&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0F3606E7C0F173AB&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 03 March 10 19:56 GMT (UK)
Sarah Sadie Armstrong daughter of William B Armstrong and Mary Kemp married James Matheson 3 Oct 1911 Salt Lake City. Utah. Sadie Sarah died in Clark. Nevada 1st April 1980.
James born 7th March 1887 Salt Lake City. Died 28 June 1944 Salt Lake City.

1930
Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah
James Mathison 41 Age at first marriage 23. Iron Moulder in Factory.
Sadie Mathison 39 Age at first mrriage 21
Deidemonia Mathison 17
Leonard Mathison 11Born Dec 12th 1919 Died 8 May 1997 Salt Lake City. Marriage 17 Nov 1942 
Plus another daughter
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: lugal on Monday 07 March 11 02:27 GMT (UK)
Interesting information.

Tracing the lineage of Albert Bird Armstrong can be difficult. After he fell to his death after slipping on a icy railroad trestle (he was a supervisor in the local rail yard, Mary Gold, his second wife, married William Bird Armstrong, Jr., Albert's older brother. William and Mary then had another child Clarence Armstrong.

This would have confused me except for my late Grandma (Mary Gold Armstrong Milligan, the oldest child of Great-Grandpa Albie's second marriage to Great-Grandma Mary) explained it to me with pen and paper. Clarence Armstrong was both my Grandma Milligan's half-brother and her cousin.
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: castlebob on Monday 07 March 11 07:41 GMT (UK)
Thanks Lugal.
My interest in that line is because I used to be in contact with someone here in England who had an ancestor in the mid-1700s who was also an ancestor of Albert Bird Armstrong's, too. The Cumbrian family was traced back to 1622 in that county by my contact.
There is also evidence of a Y-DNA link between these people.
I greatly appreciate the info you sent.
Cheers,
Bob
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: lugal on Tuesday 08 March 11 15:33 GMT (UK)
My great-great grandfather (William Bird Armstrong, Sr.) did some genealogical work in the Haltwhistle, Northumbria area that his immediate progenitors come from while serving a religious mission (the foreign excursion that led to the passport issuance referred to earlier in this thread). However, the information he brought back and the information my late aunt added on later get rather sketchy the closer we get to the end of the seventeenth century. There appear to be some discrepancies in my aunt's work but she passed away before she clarified them. The Armstrong line I have (starting from my great-great grandfather) is:

William Bird Sr. -> John (1812-1862) -> Robert (1782-1866) -> John (1745-1829) -> Thomas (1719-1805) -> Thomas? (1692?-?)

My grandmother was under the strong impression that she was a proud Scotswoman that descended from royalty that went back to Earl Siward. However, the information I have can't prove either. Do you know where I can find out more information about my line?
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: castlebob on Tuesday 08 March 11 16:01 GMT (UK)
I'm afraid the Siward link has problems due to his male line dying out, allied to some date discrepancies. The actual truth as we know it is fascinating, though. I'll PM some info.
Re some who link to your descendants:
Robert (4th of 11) Bapt 16 Jul 1785 at Hindley Steel Farm - died 12 Sep 1866 at Swalwell, Whickham
His father was John (youngest of 5) Bapt 12 Apr 1749, born Butterburn Farm, Cumbria, died 2 Apr 1829 at Hindley Steel Farm (7 miles N.E. of Haltwhistle)
He wed 30 Dec 1778 to Jane Carrick 2nd Sep 1758, d26 Sep 1838.
John's father was Robert - 3rd child of a 2nd marriage. Bapt 4 Jun 1710 at Low Grains, Bewcastle. Died 7 Aug 1800 at Hindley Steel Farm. He wed 1st: Jane Maggee - 11th June 1739 in Haltwhistle. Jane died 1st Mar 1752 at Butterburn Farm. He wed 2nd: Anne Elliot of High Grains on 17 May 1755 at Bewcastle.
Robert's father was James - eldest of at least 5. Bapt 7 Aug 1670, possibly in Spadeadam, died 1732 possibly in Haltwhistle. He wed twice. His father was James Died 1696 at Wrygarth, near Spadeadam. He wed Ann Lowther 30 Nov 1666 at Lanercost. She died 23 Jan 1717 or 18.

Cheers
Bob
PS I haven't verified the earliest names mentioned, but a very trusted and respected researcher did a lot of on site work on this family
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: Kourtnee27 on Monday 22 September 14 02:04 BST (UK)
Hi. I'm trying to find the family of Patience and Gilbert Armstrong.
I have something that belongs to their family. I know they have passed but I need to get in contact with someone who may know how to contact the family.
Thank you
Kourtnee
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: Treetotal on Wednesday 22 April 20 23:31 BST (UK)
I was airing on the side of caution above, incase still living but unfortunately not. The wife of Anthony Gold Armstrong was Nancy Shearsmith. Nancy born 7 Oct 1902 Kington Upon Hull. UK died 8 Oct 1995. Parents Walter and Fanny Shearsmith. Arrived in Utah age 7 years and was adopted by Alexander and Sarah Dixon McConachie. Married Anthony July 4th in Provo. She was preceded in death by a daughter Mary Doris.




Hi Bob...I have a postcard photo of Walter and Fancy Shearsmith with two girls, Nancy and Doris, also one of Fanny, Ruth, Doris, Nancy and Mary all born in Hull. Fanny emigrated to Utah when she became a widow after 1908. They are currently posted on the Photo Restoration Board.

Carol
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: Treetotal on Thursday 23 April 20 08:52 BST (UK)
Here is the link:

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=828705.0

Carol
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: castlebob on Thursday 23 April 20 09:01 BST (UK)
Many thanks Carol.
Cheers,
Bob
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 23 April 20 10:27 BST (UK)
Might be a few small pieces here to add to the story of the Armstrong family................

Tony Armstrong - 15 November 1999 (with two photogaphs)

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/49355063/tony-armstrong-15-november-1999/

Anthon "Tony" Armstrong - 14 November 1999

The Daily Herald Provo, Utah 14 Nov 1999, Sun    Page 5

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/49355042/anthon-tony-armstrong-14-november/

Nancy Shearsmith McConachie Armstrong  obit but think we had a google link earlier which still works.

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/49354970/nancy-shearsmith-mcconachie-armstrong/

The Daily Herald Provo, Utah 9 Oct 1995, Mon    Page 16

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/49355408/nancy-shearsmith-mcconachie-armstrong/

Sandra
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 23 April 20 10:28 BST (UK)
Mary Gold Armstrong Milligan - 27 October 2004 (sister of Anton "Tony" Armstrong) with photograph

The Salt Lake Tribune Salt Lake City, Utah 27 Oct 2004, Wed    Page 30

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/49355138/mary-gold-armstrong-milligan-27/

Sandra
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 23 April 20 10:29 BST (UK)
Husband of Mary (above) the couple divorced)

Howard Rodney Milligan 1931 - 2004 (with photograph)

The Salt Lake Tribune Salt Lake City, Utah 11 Aug 2004, Wed   Page 25

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/49355120/howard-rodney-milligan-1931-2004/

Sandra



Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 23 April 20 10:33 BST (UK)
Interesting information.

Tracing the lineage of Albert Bird Armstrong can be difficult. After he fell to his death after slipping on a icy railroad trestle (he was a supervisor in the local rail yard, Mary Gold, his second wife, married William Bird Armstrong, Jr., Albert's older brother. William and Mary then had another child Clarence Armstrong.

This would have confused me except for my late Grandma (Mary Gold Armstrong Milligan, the oldest child of Great-Grandpa Albie's second marriage to Great-Grandma Mary) explained it to me with pen and paper. Clarence Armstrong was both my Grandma Milligan's half-brother and her cousin.

There was a newspaper report on this accident - The Salt Lake Herald-Republican Salt Lake City, Utah 12 Jan 1913, Sun    Page 15

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/49354622/albert-armstrong-12-january-1913/

Sandra
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 23 April 20 10:34 BST (UK)

Albert Armstrong Jnr - The Daily Herald Provo, Utah
25 Jan 1973, Thu    Page 4

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/49354778/obituary-for-albert-bird-armstrong/

Sandra
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 23 April 20 10:34 BST (UK)


Vera Leone Bellisiton Armstrong - The Salt Lake Tribune
Salt Lake City, Utah 12 Mar 1969, Wed    Page 32

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/49354880/vera-leone-bellisiton-armstrong-12/

Sandra
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 23 April 20 10:38 BST (UK)


Albert Thomas Armstrong - son of Albert Armstrong Jnr.  1927 ~ 2012 (with a photograph)

Published in Deseret News on Mar. 11, 2012

https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/deseretnews/obituary.aspx?n=albert-thomas-armstrong&pid=156399916

Sandra
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: Treetotal on Thursday 23 April 20 10:41 BST (UK)
Many thanks Carol.
Cheers,
Bob

You are welcome Bob, I collect old photos and postcards and try to find family for them and I found this thread by using the search button which lead to Sandra's research here  :D

Carol
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 23 April 20 10:43 BST (UK)
Melvin Belliston Armstrong - son of Albert Armstrong Jnr. (with photograph)

Published in Salt Lake Tribune on Apr. 4, 2010

https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/saltlaketribune/obituary.aspx?n=melvin-belliston-armstrong&pid=141418121

Sandra
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 23 April 20 10:47 BST (UK)
Darlene La Von Baxter - The Times-News Twin Falls, Idaho (daughter of Albert Armstrong Jnr)
2 Dec 2007, Sun    Page 18  (with photograph)

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/49355318/darlene-lavon-baxter-2-december-2007/

Grand - daughters birthday - The Gunnison Valley News
Gunnison, Utah - 1 Apr 1982, Thu    Page 7

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/49355371/grand-daughters-birthday1-april/

The Gunnison Valley News Gunnison, Utah 14 Aug 1985, Wed  -   Page 4

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/49355390/darlene-baxter-14-august-1985/

Lots on Darlene -

Sandra
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: castlebob on Thursday 23 April 20 11:04 BST (UK)
Excellent work, Sandra. I'm sure your efforts will be greatly appreciated by the families concerned.
Cheers,
Bob
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 23 April 20 11:12 BST (UK)
Nice for some of these old threads to come up again all the years later.

Stay Safe
Regards
Sandra  :)
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: Treetotal on Thursday 23 April 20 14:03 BST (UK)
I didn't expect a response with the last reply being 6 years ago, but you don't know unless you try and if just one person benefits from the photos then it's worth it.
Stay Safe.
Carol
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 23 April 20 19:37 BST (UK)
Definitely  :)

The Daily Herald Provo, Utah 12 Jul 1965, Mon    Page 4

Mrs Fanny Shearsmith Wimpey -

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/49378886/obituary-for-fanny-shearsmlth-whlrn/

Sandra
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 23 April 20 19:38 BST (UK)
Mary (Nana) Shearsmith Ensign (with photograph)

The Salt Lake Tribune Salt Lake City, Utah 22 May 1981, Fri    Page 38

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/49380123/obituary-for-mary-alice-ensign/

Sandra
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 23 April 20 19:39 BST (UK)
Husband Peter Horace Ensign (divorced from Mary Shearsmith Ensign mentioned in her obituary)

The Magna Times Magna, Utah 20 Mar 1980, Thu    Page 9

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/49380311/obituary-for-peter-horace-ensign/

Sandra
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 23 April 20 19:42 BST (UK)
son of Mary and Peter ensign - Horace Angus "Hop" Ensign  - Published in Salt Lake Tribune on Aug. 18, 2010  (with photograph)

https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/saltlaketribune/obituary.aspx?n=horace-ensign&pid=144776112

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/57260018/horace-angus_hop_-ensign

Sandra
Title: Re: Albert Bird Armstrong - Utah
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 23 April 20 19:46 BST (UK)

daughter of Mary and Peter Ensign - Joan S Larsen - Published in Deseret News on Sept. 29, 2010
(with photograph)

https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/deseretnews/obituary.aspx?n=joan-larsen&pid=145710550

Sandra