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Please can anyone help me with the Woods family from counties Cavan and Meath.
George Woods and Anne Gilliland were my great-great-grandparents. According to an old relation, George Woods and Anne Gilliland were married in county Meath circa 1870. The family story is that the family were “well to do” and originally came from England. By 1886, the family was at Mullantra, Kingscourt, co Cavan. However, I have also been told that the family had a connection to co Antrim.
George Woods and Anne Gilliland had 9 children:
Thomas Woods – born 2 July 1876, co Cavan, son of George Woods and Anne Gilligand (per IGI). From family tradition, Thomas emigrated to Australia where he became an hotelier;
George Woods – emigrated to Australia where he became a sheep farmer in some very rural location, and did not marry;
Annie Woods – married G Quiney, moved to Welling, Kent, and had two daughters (Barbara who married someone named Frampton, and Kitty)
Robert Woods – born 17 December 1879 and baptised 4 April 1880 (No 449) Parish of Enniskeen, Diocese of Meath in the Counties of Cavan & Meath, baptismal ceremony performed by Hugh Gelston. (This information is from documents held by the family, and the source is given as the Public Record Office of Ireland, and a certified copy of the entry in the Parish Register.) Robert moved to Glasgow and married Catherine McCormack in 1911. Robert’s marriage certificate quotes his father as George Woods, labourer, deceased, and his mother as Annie Woods ms Gilliland, deceased. Robert died in Glasgow in 1925. Robert had 4 daughters, and I’ve been in touch with that side of the family. I wrote to the General Register Office in Dublin for a copy of Robert’s birth certificate, but the reply was that no entry exists for Robert in the records for 1878 to 1880 inclusive.
Letitia Woods – born circa 1881. Letitia moved to Glasgow and married Thomas Campbell in 1908. Letitia’s marriage certificate quotes her father as George Woods, farmer, deceased, and her mother as Annie Woods ms Gilliland, deceased. Letitia died in Glasgow in 1931.
Emily Woods – born circa 1882. Emily moved to Glasgow and married Samuel Smith in 1925. Emily’s marriage certificate quotes her father as George Woods, farmer, deceased, and her mother as Annie Woods ms Gilliland, deceased. Emily died in Ayr in 1958.
Joseph Woods – born 24 May 1886 at Mullantra, District of Kingscourt, in the Union of Bailieborough in the County of Cavan. On the birth certificate, the father is given as George Woods of Mullnatra, labourer. Joseph moved to Glasgow and married Clara Smith Stewart in 1911. Joseph’s marriage certificate quotes his father as George Woods, labourer, deceased, and his mother as Anne Woods ms Gilliland, deceased. Joseph died in Glasgow in 1933. Joseph had one son who was my grandfather.
William Henry Woods – born circa 1890. William moved to Glasgow and did not marry. William died in Glasgow in 1957.
Isaac Woods – born 2 May 1895. Isaac moved to Glasgow and married Annie King in 1918. Isaac’s marriage certificate quotes his father as George Woods, farmer, deceased, and his mother as Annie Woods ms Gilliland, deceased. Isaac died in Glasgow in 1968. Isaac had two sons, and I’ve been in touch with that side of the family.
Although all the children left, I understand that George Woods and Anne Gilliland stayed in Ireland. The marriage certificates of their children indicate that both died before 1908.
I know that the Woods family was quite extensive in Meath, and traces itself back to Sir John Woods of Dunshaughlin, and includes the branch of Woods of Milverton Hall at Skerries, co Dublin. I’ve seen lots of internet sites for this family. Family tradition would indicate that this Woods family is a good match for our “well to do” English origins, but obviously I have no definite link.
Also, I’ve seen that Land Owners in Ireland 1876 lists a George Woods owning 60 acres in Cavan. However, I’ve no reason to know that this is my George Woods (especially if labourer rather than farmer was the correct occupation).
If the family was Scottish, I could quite merrily go on my way tracing them through the Scottish records. But I am stuck with tracing Irish stuff.
So I would be extremely grateful if any one can help with the origins of George Woods and Anne Gilliland, or point me in the right direction.
Many thanks
David
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Index to civil registrations is online (free)- couldn't find matching results for George Woods and Anne Gilliland in Meath or Cavan but with more searching there you might find something.
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=collectionDetails;t=searchable;c=1408347
The IGI has another child not on your list-
Alice born 18 Jan.1878 Mullintragh, Cavan.
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Thank you very much for the extra IGI information. But thanks especially for that weblink.
Using the link, I have found George Woods marrying Ann Gilliland in 1873 at Castleblayney, co Monaghan. So I will send off now for that marriage certificate.
Also, the link has helped confirm the birth registrations for 3 more of the children (I already had one birth certificate), and so I will order the additional birth certificates too.
Hopefully the marriage certificate will help me trace the death certificates for George Woods and Ann Gilliland, and allow me to identify their parents.
Many thanks again.
David
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Just in case you don't know- Irish marriage certificates will list fathers' names and occupations only (not names of the mothers).
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I have information on Woods Mullintra pleases send me your email
regards
John
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thanks for your help rootschat.john.not very good at this yet.
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Please can anyone help me with the Woods family from counties Cavan and Meath.
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George Woods and Anne Gilliland were my great-great-grandparents. According to an old relation, George Woods and Anne Gilliland were married in county Meath circa 1870. The family story is that the family were “well to do” and originally came from England. By 1886, the family was at Mullantra, Kingscourt, co Cavan. However, I have also been told that the family had a connection to co Antrim.
George Woods and Anne Gilliland had 9 children:
Thomas Woods – born 2 July 1876, co Cavan, son of George Woods and Anne Gilligand (per IGI). From family tradition, Thomas emigrated to Australia where he became an hotelier;
George Woods – emigrated to Australia where he became a sheep farmer in some very rural location, and did not marry;
Annie Woods – married G Quiney, moved to Welling, Kent, and had two daughters (Barbara who married someone named Frampton, and Kitty)
Robert Woods – born 17 December 1879 and baptised 4 April 1880 (No 449) Parish of Enniskeen, Diocese of Meath in the Counties of Cavan & Meath, baptismal ceremony performed by Hugh Gelston. (This information is from documents held by the family, and the source is given as the Public Record Office of Ireland, and a certified copy of the entry in the Parish Register.) Robert moved to Glasgow and married Catherine McCormack in 1911. Robert’s marriage certificate quotes his father as George Woods, labourer, deceased, and his mother as Annie Woods ms Gilliland, deceased. Robert died in Glasgow in 1925. Robert had 4 daughters, and I’ve been in touch with that side of the family. I wrote to the General Register Office in Dublin for a copy of Robert’s birth certificate, but the reply was that no entry exists for Robert in the records for 1878 to 1880 inclusive.
Letitia Woods – born circa 1881. Letitia moved to Glasgow and married Thomas Campbell in 1908. Letitia’s marriage certificate quotes her father as George Woods, farmer, deceased, and her mother as Annie Woods ms Gilliland, deceased. Letitia died in Glasgow in 1931.
Emily Woods – born circa 1882. Emily moved to Glasgow and married Samuel Smith in 1925. Emily’s marriage certificate quotes her father as George Woods, farmer, deceased, and her mother as Annie Woods ms Gilliland, deceased. Emily died in Ayr in 1958.
Joseph Woods – born 24 May 1886 at Mullantra, District of Kingscourt, in the Union of Bailieborough in the County of Cavan. On the birth certificate, the father is given as George Woods of Mullnatra, labourer. Joseph moved to Glasgow and married Clara Smith Stewart in 1911. Joseph’s marriage certificate quotes his father as George Woods, labourer, deceased, and his mother as Anne Woods ms Gilliland, deceased. Joseph died in Glasgow in 1933. Joseph had one son who was my grandfather.
William Henry Woods – born circa 1890. William moved to Glasgow and did not marry. William died in Glasgow in 1957.
Isaac Woods – born 2 May 1895. Isaac moved to Glasgow and married Annie King in 1918. Isaac’s marriage certificate quotes his father as George Woods, farmer, deceased, and his mother as Annie Woods ms Gilliland, deceased. Isaac died in Glasgow in 1968. Isaac had two sons, and I’ve been in touch with that side of the family.
Although all the children left, I understand that George Woods and Anne Gilliland stayed in Ireland. The marriage certificates of their children indicate that both died before 1908.
I know that the Woods family was quite extensive in Meath, and traces itself back to Sir John Woods of Dunshaughlin, and includes the branch of Woods of Milverton Hall at Skerries, co Dublin. I’ve seen lots of internet sites for this family. Family tradition would indicate that this Woods family is a good match for our “well to do” English origins, but obviously I have no definite link.
Also, I’ve seen that Land Owners in Ireland 1876 lists a George Woods owning 60 acres in Cavan. However, I’ve no reason to know that this is my George Woods (especially if labourer rather than farmer was the correct occupation).
If the family was Scottish, I could quite merrily go on my way tracing them through the Scottish records. But I am stuck with tracing Irish stuff.
So I would be extremely grateful if any one can help with the origins of George Woods and Anne Gilliland, or point me in the right direction.
Many thanks
David
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Since placing the original post, I have obtained the marriage certificate for George Woods and Ann Gilliland.
George Woods and Ann Gilliland were married on 13 March 1873 at Loughmourne Presbyterian Church, parish of Aughnamullen, Castleblayney, co Monaghan. George Woods was a bachelor of "full" age (no figure given) and a farmer residing at Pottle, parish of Bailieborough, co Cavan. His father was Charles Woods, farmer. Ann Gilliland was a spinster aged 20 years, no profession, of Aghmakerr (writing isn't too clear), parish of Aughnamullen, co Monaghan. Her father was Joseph Gilliland, farmer. The witnesses were James G Mahood and Susanna Phillips.
I've also now got birth certificates for some of their children: Thomas Woods in 1876, unnamed child in 1878, Emily in 1881, Joseph in 1886 and Isaac in 1894. Except for Emily's certificate which quotes the residence as Cabra, all the birth certificates quote Mullantra (or varied spelling).
I've tried to identify death certificates for George Woods and Ann Gilliland, but no luck so far. But I have a few other ideas to try.
Meanwhile, I've got the death certificate for Ann Gilliland's father: Joseph Gilliland. He died on 13 May 1887 at Aghmakerr (the death certificate quotes district of Ballybay, in the union of Castleblayney, co Monaghan). Joseph was a widower, aged 72 years, and a farmer. The death was registered by Lizzie Gilliland, daughter-in-law.
Any further help would be greatly appreciated.
David
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David
My name is Ann Morris and I am Annie Woods' granddaughter - my mother was her youngest daughter, Barbara. Have only just started to research my grandmother's side of the family, having been working on Charles Quiney's (her husband) family tree. Afraid I can't tell you anything about the origins of George Woods and Anne Gilliland but would be very happy to tell you about Annie. I think(?) she and Alice are the same person. Annie was born on 17 Jan 1878. Her marriage certificate of 1909 July ( Bristol) quotes her father as George and his rank/ profession as driver! I can recall Annie visiting her sister Emily and husband Sam in Ayr quite frequently. Let me know if this is of any interest to you and if you would like to know any more about this branch of the family.
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Ann
I am so delighted to hear from you. I have tried to find your family before, but never managed. As well as searching on the internet, I wrote once to an address in Welling which I got from the will of Emily Woods from 1958.
I would like very much to hear more about your branch of the family. And I will share with you everything I know about the rest! Some years ago, I met Ronald Woods (grandson of Isaac Woods) when I discovered that Ronald was living in the same town as me - despite neither of our families coming from that area. It was one of life's strange coincidences.
Rather than putting too much personal stuff on this open page, I would rather communicate using the Personal Message facility on Rootschat. But I see that you are new to the site. You need to post 3 normal open replies to get access to Personal Messages. Without trying to beat the system, if we exchange a couple of notes on this open page, you will get access to Personal Messages and we can talk more privately then.
I need to dig out all my Woods notes. I have now got bits and pieces scribbled in different places. I need the discipline of pulling it all together, which I will happily do to share with you.
Look forward to hearing from you again.
David
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David
Good to hear from you. I appreciate what you mean about the message system.
I think you must have written to Welling after my parents moved in the early 60s.
Ann
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Ann
I wrote to Welling about 10 years ago, so missed your family by several decades. I wonder if your grandmother got Emily Woods' household linen, your mother the jewellery and you the legacy on your 21st birthday. I wonder too if your family got a share of the money left by William Henry Woods when he died in 1957 (there was a wee bit of underhand shenanigans then).
I am interested to know whether your grandmother's marriage certificate records George Woods as living or deceased in 1909. I have been unable to find a death certificate in either Ireland or Scotland (in 1901, his wife and most of the family are on the Glasgow census and his wife is given as "married", ie not "widowed"). But the next reference I have to George is on his wife's death certificate in 1903 when she is classed as a widow. Interestingly, your grandmother as well as George are not listed with the family in Glasgow in 1901, and my attempts to find George and your grandmother on the 1901 census have not been successful.
Also, your grandmother's birth has a few anomalies. I see you suggest that your grandmother is "Alice". I have not been able to get a birth certificate for either an Anne Woods or Alice Woods. But I do have a birth certificate for a female child registered as having been born on 18 January 1878 (ie not 17 January which you mention was your grandmother's birthday). On the birth certificate that I have, no first name has been given to the child. I thought maybe that this referred to a child who died very soon after birth, but maybe a name just hadn't been given yet. Or maybe there are twins. Meanwhile, Robert Woods' birth the following year was not registered at all (this caused him problems when he was joining the Glasgow police - I was in contact with two of Robert's daughters until their deaths in the 1990s).
My notes on the family are a bit jumbled, as I have gathered bits and pieces over time. I will sort through my notes and write a summary. That would be a good discipline for me, and help me think about other avenues that could be explored to build on the information.
If you reply to me once more that will give you access to the Personal Message facility. I would like to know about your family and where you live etc.
Regards
David
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David
So interested in what you told me. Was very touched that Emily had remembered us in her will but no household linen, jewellery or a legacy on my 21st ever reached us! Nor did any share of the money of William Henry!
Annie and Charles' marriage certificate does not state whether George was living or dead. I had assumed ( shouldn't assume too much!) George was alive as there was no mention of being deceased but know that Charles' father Joseph died in 1898 and there is no mention of him being deceased. I found the same people missing on the 1901 census and couldn't trace Emily anywhere. Do you know where she was in1901? After a lot of searching was overjoyed to find Annie Woods in 1901 as a cook/ domestic at the house of Jemima Doyal in Cheltenham. In the same household was a servant, Charles Turney! Such a find as I'd been searching for ages for Charles Quiney's whereabouts in 1901.
Am puzzled by anomalies of Annie's birth too. Realise "Alice's" birthday is one day later than Annie's. Couldn't make any progress here and did wonder too about a twin or non registration. Interesting that was the case with Robert.
Will be very happy to fill you in on Annie's life as my research on her husband has been very fruitful and she lived with us, after his death, until 1964. Not able to find out though how she "appeared" in Cheltenham and can't find any reference to her in Glasgow with the rest of the family. Do you know what prompted the move to Glasgow around 1901? And I can obviously bring you up to date with her family from then on! Will use Personal Messages for this.
I seem to recall my grandmother mentioning Isaac but whether she ever saw him on her visits to Scotland, I don't know. I can remember her well into old age making the journey to Ayr to see Emily and Sam - she was so fond of both of them. Do you know if they had a family?
Looking forward to continuing this conversation.
Keep warm!
Ann
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I have recently had my DNA tested and the results of my Woods y-chromosome are: M258+M423+S185+ or I2a1b2 (per ISOGG classifications) or I2a2b (per FTDNA classifications). My group is also known as I2a-Isles.
My great-great-grandfather George Woods married Ann Gilliland at Loughmourne Parish Church, Aughnamullen, Castleblayney, co Monaghan in March 1873. On the marriage certificate, George Woods gave his occupation as farmer of Pottle, Bailieborough, co Cavan, and his father as Charles Woods, farmer. The Tithe Applotment Book between 1823-37 lists Charles Woods and William Woods at Pottle, Bailieborough, then classed as co Meath. Griffith's Valuation lists Elizabeth Woods at Pottle (Elizabeth died at Pottle in July 1880, aged 70 years, widow of a farmer, with the death registered by Jane Woods of Pottle). Between circa 1874 and 1900, George Woods and his family were staying at Mullantra, Cabra, Kingscourt, Bailieborough. However, George Woods died in England in September 1901, with Meath listed as his birth place on the 1901 English census. Meanwhile, George Woods' wife and children had moved to Glasgow. Also, George Woods is believed to have had a brother who emigrated to America, while his sons Thomas Woods and George Woods went to Australia. Family tradition has our Woods family as being originally from England, with George Woods' children being baptised in the Church of Ireland.
I would be very interested to hear from any Woods with the same y-chromosome. Also, I would appreciate hearing from anyone who might be researching the family.
Many thanks
David
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On the surface, there does not seem to be any connection with the Woods family mentioned in the original post, however quite a few of the given names are the same as those in my family.
I am a great-grandson of Joseph Woods (born Lancashire 1823, parents Nathaniel Woods & Sarah Parkinson). Joseph migrated to Australia, and he and Sarah Parker (b Hertfordshire 1845, parents William Parker & Letitia Aden) are believed to have arrived in Geelong in 1863 and travelled to Ballarat where they married. It is thought that they may have moved around to various Victorian gold fields before finally settling at Stawell, Victoria, where Joseph died in 1885. Sarah died in 1920, at either Carlton or Coburg Victoria (it's possible that she lived at Coburg but died in a hospital at Carlton).
They had the following children:
* Sarah Elizabeth - b 1864-1865
* James - b 1865-1868, died 13 Dec 1885
* Emily Alice - b 1868
* Mary Anne - b 1870-1871
* Elizabeth Jane - b 1874 (also known as Jane Woods & Elizabeth Jane Becworthy)
* George Albert - b 1979
* William Henry (my Grandfather) b 1883, Stawell Victoria, died 1961, Ringwood Victoria.
Some of the given names also appear in subsequent branches of the family, although little family research has been done thus far. As far as I know, no-one has attempted to trace further back than Joseph and Sarah.
Kind regards
Ron
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I have recently discovered that George Woods (born circa 1856, married Ann Gilliland in 1873, and died in 1901), son of Charles Woods from Pottle, had at least one brother and two sisters:
- Robert Woods who was 22 years old and a farmer at Pottle when he married Susan Boyle (daughter of Thomas Boyle) of Galboly in September 1864. Robert and Susan had a large family including Thomas (born 1865), Samuel (born 1867), William (born 1870) Anne (born 1872), James (born 1874), Robert (born 1877), Susan (born 1879), Charles (born 1881), Margaret (born 1885) and John James (born 1887). Although the earlier children were born in co Cavan, the later ones were born at Ardee, co Louth. As adults, some of the children moved to Collon, co Louth, while Samuel may have become a grocer in Scarva, co Down.
- Mary Woods who married Hugh McBirney (son of John McBirney) from Drumharriff in February 1863, when Mary was 25 years old. Mary and Hugh had at least 2 children: a female born 1867 and John James McBirney born 1869.
- Jane Woods who married James Brownlee (son of James Brownlee) from Rakeenan (?) in February 1888 when Jane was of "full age". Jane Woods registered the death in 1880 at Pottle of her mother Elizabeth Woods (aged 70 years and widow of Charles Woods).
Also possibly related is Mary Ann Woods who was 22 years old when she married William Marshall (son of Joseph Marshall) of Curkish in June 1855. The certificate quotes Mary Ann Woods as living at Pottle and the daughter of Thomas Woods, farmer.
In addition, a Thomas Woods (son of Thomas Woods, farmer) who was 26 years old and a servant living at Caruarea (?) married Elizabeth Lenard (daughter of William Lenard) of Canningstown in December 1864 at Bailieborough.
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This is just a further update in case anyone else can connect to this family.
George Woods (husband of Anne Gilliland) was baptised at Bailieborough on 29 May 1842. His brother Robert Woods (husband of Susan Boyle) was baptised at Bailieborough on 21 June 1840.
From the parish records for Bailieborough, I have discovered two further siblings:
- James Woods, son of Charles Woods (farmer, Pottle) and Eliza Woods, baptised 8 January 1837
- Anne Woods, daughter of Charles Woods (farmer, Pottle) and Elizabeth Woods, baptised 27 March 1836.
Another possible connection is the family of Arthur Woods, farmer at Urcher and later plasterer.
When Robert Woods (brother of George Woods) married Susan Boyle at Bailieborough in September 1864, one of the two witnesses was a William King. When Mary Woods (sister of Robert Woods & George Woods) married Hugh McBirney at Bailieborough in February 1863, William King was again one of the two witnesses. William King appears again as one of the witnesses (along with Andrew Woods) at the marriage at Bailieborough in December 1858 of John Woods (son of Arthur Woods) to Elizabeth Beatty.
The parish records for Bailieborough record Arthur Woods's children as:
- John Woods, baptised 4 March 1827
- Andrew Woods, baptised 5 September 1830
- Anne Woods, baptised 23 November 1834.
Arthur's wife is recorded as Nancy, Anne or Mary. After farming at Urcher, Arthur was a plasterer at Galbolie and Wilton.
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I notice that Robert and Susan had a child Samuel. Would you know if that name was connected to either side of the families?
Thank you
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Tracey
I think this is the only Samuel that I have come across in the Woods family. So I am guessing that the name may come from Susan Boyle's family.
Now for some speculation! Robert Woods & Susan Boyle's first son was named Thomas, while Samuel was the second son. Going by tradition, the first son would be named after the husband's father. In this case, that would have been Charles Woods, rather than Thomas. But, interestingly, Robert Woods' brother George Woods also named his first son Thomas. I believe that Charles Woods died young, and perhaps his sons both named their first sons after some pseudo-father figure named Thomas. (A later son of Robert Woods was given the name Charles.) Thereafter, the second son would traditionally be named after the wife's father which, in the case of Robert Woods & Susan Boyle, would have been after Thomas Boyle. But the name Thomas had already been given for Woods reasons to the first son. So perhaps Samuel was the next favoured Boyle name and was, therefore, given to the second son. Again following tradition, the name Samuel may have come from Susan Boyle's eldest brother named Samuel Boyle. But this is all speculation.
At the time of his marriage to Susan Boyle, Robert Woods was resident at Pottle with other members of the Woods family. Their first son, Thomas Woods, was born on 9 August 1865 at Galboly, with Robert Woods recorded as a labourer resident at Galboly (which, of course, was where Thomas Boyle was a farmer). For births of later children, Robert Woods & Susan Boyle were at:
- Drutomy, Bailieborough, co Cavan;
- Crocknahatinn, Bailieborough, co Cavan;
- Killinghter, Cootehill;
- Ardee, co Louth.
I have not traced death certificates yet for Robert Woods or Susan Boyle. But I cannot find them on the 1901 census, so I am guessing that they might be dead by then. Instead, I have 6 of their children on the 1901 census (but not Samuel) living at Drogheda Street, Collon, co Louth, with the family headed by the eldest brother: Thomas Woods, Episcopalian, 35 years old, Farmer, not married, born co Cavan.
Samuel Woods (son of Robert Woods & Susan Boyle) was born on 12 September 1867 at Drutomy, Bailieborough. His father was quoted as a farmer resident at Drutomy. I believe that this is the same Samuel Woods as on the 1911 census at Scarva co Down:
- Samuel Woods, head, Church of Ireland, 42 years, Shopkeeper, married for 5 years, born co Cavan
- Anna Louisa Woods, wife, Church of Ireland, 32 years, married, born co Sligo
- Robert Cecil Woods, son, 4 years, born co Down
- Frances Kathleen Woods, daughter, 10 months, born co Down
- Sarah Bailey, boarder, 30 years, School Teacher, single, born co Sligo
- Alice Crawford, boarder, 20 years, School Teacher, single, born co Fermanagh
The Ulster Towns Directory for 1910 lists Samuel Woods, Grocer, Scarva.
Unfortunately, I cannot help you more specifically with the Boyle side. I am afraid that my interest follows the Woods!
Regards
David
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Thank you for info.
I think that there could be a chance that my husband's family are related in some way to the Boyle family.
I believe that his great grandmother Margaret Rea / Ray's parents were possibly Mary Jane Boyle and Thomas Rea from the Bailieboro area. Their marriage is recorded as Thomas Wray & Mary Jane Boyle 20/8/1851 Bailieboro.
Thomas and Mary Jane had a son Samuel 1872.
Our Margaret Rea named one of her sons Samuel who unfortunately died in WW1.
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Hi Ann
Annie Woods was my Great Aunt.
I also remember being taken to visit her sister Emily in Ayr.
I would be happy to share any info I have.
Bob
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Bob
I am replying to the message which you left yesterday addressed to Ann Morris.
As you will have seen above, I am the great-grandson of Joseph Woods, who was the brother of your grandfather Robert Woods. I visited your mother a couple of times. I know that your mother was very interested in our family origins, and I wish that all this information had been available earlier to share with her.
I have posted on this thread most of what I have researched back on the Woods line. In addition, I have been in contact with some Woods cousins who live in Chicago. Piecing their information together with my own, I believe that I may have got back another couple of generations beyond Charles Woods to my 4x and 5x Woods great-grandfathers. A couple of years ago, I went to Dundalk in county Louth to search through the records there in the hope of proving this link, but as yet I do not have definitive evidence.
For the Gillilands, you may be interested in the thread titled "Gilliland Conly Ballybay", which is on the Monaghan forum here (quite far down the list at present, as the last post was in November 2016). In that thread, you will find most of what I have researched on our Gilliland ancestors and cousins.
Also on the Monaghan forum, you might be interested in the thread titled "Major David Nelson VC" (last post was in April 2016). From the information so far, I have proved that we are related to families which are related to Major Nelson. But I am certain that our ancestor Jane Nelson (wife of Joseph Gilliland) will have been from the same family as the Major. From what I have found, the families of Major Nelson and the other 4 soldiers listed on the war memorial at Cahans Presbyterian Church were all connected to each other and our family too. I went to the Imperial War Museum in London to see Major Nelson's Victoria Cross, as well as his gun from the battle of Nery. The centenary of the Major's death is coming up next month. You will find plenty about him on the internet.
Anyway, I hope this is of some interest to you. I am happy to share everything that I have found.
Regards
David
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Where is the war memorial at Cahans Presbyterian Church ?
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Might be Roll of Honour rather than a War Memorial?
http://www.eddiesextracts.com/rohpci/rohcahans.html
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Might be Roll of Honour rather than a War Memorial?
http://www.eddiesextracts.com/rohpci/rohcahans.html
Thanks!
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Hi David.
Many thanks for your reply.
My Mother would have loved to learn of all the family info on her side but may have been shocked (as I was) to discover that I had 2 half sisters & 1 half brother on the Clements side!
I'm not too sure how Rootsweb works but if there is any way that we could exchange E-Mails I could give you access to my Ancestry tree and that way we may be able to fill in some gaps.
Thank you so much for your kind reply.
Bob
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Hi David.
Many thanks for your reply.
My Mother would have loved to learn of all the family info on her side but may have been shocked (as I was) to discover that I had 2 half sisters & 1 half brother on the Clements side!
I'm not too sure how Rootsweb works but if there is any way that we could exchange E-Mails I could give you access to my Ancestry tree and that way we may be able to fill in some gaps.
Thank you so much for your kind reply.
Bob
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Party 1 Name GEORGE WOODS
Party 2 Name ANN GILLILAND
Date of Event 13 March 1873
Group Registration ID 2807235
SR District/Reg Area Castleblayney
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1873/11259/8129412.pdf
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Hi David.
I don't have any Woods connections to Chicago so that would be very interesting to find out more about.
Bob
PS Hope this counts as my 3rd post :)
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If you click on last icon under his photo you should be able to send private message!
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Hallmark.
I have sent a message.
Many thanks for your help, much appreciated.
Bob
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To Woodsd. I am a descendant of Robert Woods and Susan Boyle, my mum is their great grand daughter. A large number of the family moved to Northern Ireland. Robert Woods and Susan Boyle daughter was alive when I was little and was a vital part of my mother’s upbringing. We have photos of some of their children and old house in Collin. delighted to share information to try and join up the dots,
Silebod
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I note Tracey Clarke was asking about Susan Boyle. I am a descendant of Susan’s and Robert Woods. Unfortunately I do not have a lot of knowledge about the Boyle but I believe Susan Boyle death certificate is on the 18th of December, 1898 in Colon.
Her father and brother I believe are both Thomas Boyle, 1798-1875 and 1836 -1912 respectively. I believe Susan’s mother was called Jane. Thomas Boyle junior married Elizabeth Simpson 1836-1912.
I believe their is a connection with the wrays and will try and look through my notes to try and find out why I have that in my head.
I would be delighted with any information you can give me and hope this is of some interest.
Silebod
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There was some queries about Samuel in the Woods /Boyle family. I am descended from Robert Woods and Susan Boyle through their daughter Jane. My mother vaguely remembers their son Samuel who moved to County Down. in fact many of the family moved to Belfast. uncle Charlie appears on the 1911 census in Excise Street, St Anne’s ward, though I believe he later emigrated to Australia. Aunty Anne moved north too and worked as a district nurse in County Antrim, travelling round on her motorbike. John James, and Margaret also moved north when my great grandmother and Anne lived in Bainbridge. Unfortunately they all died young. John James married a Maud Harper and worked as a chauffeur after previously working with horses but died in a car accident in 1918.
Margaret died in 1911 and Susan moved to Ballyhome near Bangor.
Although we can trace all the aunts we are unclear about all the uncles. I believe Robert may have worked as a groom and we have two old photos of my great grandmothers brothers in soldiers uniforms but I can find no records of any relevant woods and can not attach names to the photos.
I believe the name Samuel may have come from Their mother Susan Boyle’s brother. A death certificate is available for a Samuel Boyle in 1882 in Galbolie. he is recorded as 53 and a watchmaker. The death was recorded by a John James Armstrong. Anne Boyle Susan Boyle’s sister married John James Armstrong from Galbolie in 1868. Showing a connection with this Samuel and my uncle John James.
I believe Thomas Boyle her brother marries Elizabeth Simpson, who was present at some of Susan’s children’s births.
Other possible siblings are Elizabeth Boyle who married James Nelson in 1856. And Mary Jane Boyle who married Thomas Wray in 1851. Any confirmation of these or other links would be very gratefully received.
Susan’s parents were Thomas and Jane Boyle. Does anyone know Jane’s name.
I have a few photos of Robert and Susan’s children I can share with any interested relatives.
relatives of one of Susan’s siblings also travelled north as my mother went to school with her cousin, but I am yet to pin down the connection though Margarit is the aunts name and we have photos of the family.
Hoping someone can help join the dots and thanks for the suggestion that Samuel might have been a Boyle. ;) ;)
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uncle Charlie appears on the 1911 census in Excise Street, St Anne’s ward...........
Margaret died in 1911......
Charles Woods with his wife and two daughters in 1911 census.
Residents of a house 5 in Excise Street (St. Anne's Ward, Antrim).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/St__Anne_s_Ward/Excise_Street/182478/
Margaret's death, aged 25 at Railway Street, Banbridge in 1911.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1911/05406/4510245.pdf
KG
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SileBod
I am delighted that you have posted here. From what you write, we are fourth cousins through shared great-great-great-grandparents in Charles & Elizabeth Woods from Pottle.
To be honest, I haven't looked over my family-tree stuff for a while. And I have to read over my own posts here to remind myself what I have recorded. In addition to this thread, I have posted lists of birth, marriage & death certificates for individuals named Woods from Bailieborough, which I ordered as part of my research. Perhaps some of the certificates which I could not link to our family might be relevant for you. Those certificates are contained across 3 posts in the Forum section:
Family History & Artefacts / Unwanted Certificates & Artefacts / Unwanted Birth, Marriage, Death Certificates T to Z.
I posted the lists of birth and death certificates on 2 February 2014, and the list of marriage certificates on 8 June 2014.
Over the next day or two, I will study the information which you have provided. And I will contact you by Personal Message.
Regards
David
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To keep this record up-to-date with information, I have just discovered Charles Woods (father of George Woods, the original subject of this thread) listed in the Ireland Diocesan & Prerogative Wills & Administration Index:
- Woods, June 1842, Charles, Pottel, Co Cavan, Farmer.
With George Woods baptised on 29 May 1842, his father has died around the same time as his son's birth.
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To keep this record up-to-date with information, I have just discovered Charles Woods (father of George Woods, the original subject of this thread) listed in the Ireland Diocesan & Prerogative Wills & Administration Index:
- Woods, June 1842, Charles, Pottel, Co Cavan, Farmer.
For others reading, here are the links-
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/dw/IRE_DIOC_007246593_00211.pdf
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/dw/IRE_DIOC_007246593_00313.pdf
Five Pottle townlands in Co Cavan.
https://www.townlands.ie/search/?q=Pottle
KG
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That is very interesting news about the will. Can we view it anywhere?
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I do not think that the original will can be accessed. Lots of papers appear to have been lost during a fire at the Public Records Office in 1922.
As for documents we do have ....
In the 1901 census, SileBod has identified two spinster sisters of George Woods & Robert Woods. The sisters are living with their nephew, Hugh McBirney at Ballintlieve, Moynalty, co Meath. Margaret Woods is recorded as 60 years old, and Anne Woods as 57 years old.
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001120326/
Margaret Woods died on 1 September 1909 at Ballintlieve. Her death was registered by Hugh McBirney, and she is recorded as being 84 year old.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1909/05445/4523536.pdf
Anne Woods died on 15 April 1910 at Ballintlieve. Her death was registered by Hugh McBirney, and she is recorded as being 75 years old.
(As noted earlier, Anne Woods was baptised on 27 March 1836; so it’s the age on the census which is wrong.)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1910/05429/4517902.pdf
On 12 June 1914, Hugh McBirney registered the will of Margaret Woods, late of Ballincleva, Moynality, who died on 2 September 1909 leaving an estate of £143 (equivalent to about £16,000 today).
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014918/005014918_00762.pdf
As for the two married sisters of George Woods & Robert Woods, Mary McBirney and Jane Brownlee are living together in the 1901 census at Kingscourt, co Cavan. Mary McBirney is recorded as 60 years old, and Jane Brownee as 58 years old.
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000440891/
Mary McBirney died on 28 October 1903, found dead in her house at Kingscourt. Her death was registered by her son, Hugh McBirney. Mary McBirney is recorded as being 67 years old.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1903/05646/4589237.pdf
Jane Brownlee died on 19 May 1905 at the Workhouse, Bailieborough, co Cavan. Her death was registered by the Occupier of the Workhouse. Jane Brownlee is recorded as being 68 years old.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1905/05594/4572335.pdf
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Thomas Boyle and Jane are listed on baptism records as having a number of children, but I got the details from an online site and have not seen the actual details myself but the list of children are as follows John and Mary Jane born 1826. Mary Jane married Thomas Wray. Samuel was born in 1829. He was a watchmaker and died unmarried. Then came a Susan and James in 1831, George in 1832, William in 1834. Thomas who married Elizabeth Simpson was baptised in 1837. Elizabeth who married James Nelson was born in 1838 and Anna who married John James Armstrong in 1868 was born in 1844. My great grandmother was born in 1846, confusingly she was also called Susan. She married Robert Woods in 1864. I can only assume the first Susan had died or was an aunt rather than a sister. I have details of most of the descendants of Susan’s children and Lizzie who was the child of Anna and James John Armstrong.
As well as Mary Jane both Anne and Susan called a son Samuel so I think it is either a Boyle or maybe a name from Jane’s family.
I hope this is helpful and if you want to know more please do contact me. I would really love to know Jane’s maiden name. I remember my grandmother singing a rhyme about the kettle boiling which was meant to be the names of Jane woods grandmothers, but I am not sure who this actually refers too.
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SileBod
Have sent you a pm.
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To keep the records here up to date, Silebod has identified a further son of Charles Woods of Pottle:
- William Woods, died 19 May 1884 at Ballinclieve, Moynalty, co Meath, aged 41 years, registered by Hugh McBirney (nephew)
Two links:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1884/06327/4814463.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1884/06327/4814463a.pdf
If the age is correct, William Woods will have been born posthumously, as Charles Woods' will was registered in June 1842 (as noted above).
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Hi
Hugh McBirney would be William's Brother-in law, not Nephew.