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My ggg grandparents were Jane Treasure (born Somerset UK 1812) and Robert Emery (also UK 1813). Robert was transported to Hobart 1841 for 15 years and died in Ballarat 1876 after his release from jail. I have learned that Jane married a Joseph Jackson in Adelaide on 14/12/1855 whilst her husband was still in jail.
I am trying to find out:
- when and where did Jane arrive in Australia
- who did she travel with (ie children &/or Jackson)
- when and where did Jane and Joseph die.
Any help would be appreciated.
Bill.
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Hi Bill,
Not answering your question, but Robert's conditional pardon was approved in August 1850. This meant that he was a free man, but could not return to England. Convicts were not kept in jail, but could be confined to the prisoner barracks if they misbehaved, or placed in solitary confinement (as Robert was) for a period of time. Robert was assigned to the Bridgewater gang north of Hobart, and there is a bit about the gang here http://www.fleurtys.com.au/about_chas_fleurty.html
Did Jane say she was a widow when she married JACKSON? Jane's brother John also received a conditional pardon and travelled from Launceston to Adelaide in 1850, but I can't see Robert or Jane on the indexes of departures from Tas.
I can't see a "suitable" Jane EMERY/TREASURE/JACKSON on shipping lists - do you know her age and the names of the two children?
Debra
Conduct record - Robert EMERY
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON33-1-13,321,100,L,80
Indent - Robert EMERY
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON14-1-9,131,76,S,80
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON14-1-9,131,77,S,80
Description List - Robert EMERY
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON18-1-29,259,79,S,80
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Hi Debra
Thank you for the links - things were certainly tough in those days (especially when you consider Robert only stole 20 pound of bacon).
Jane is described as a widow on the marriage record. Parents names of both parties were not recorded.
Jane was born in 1812 and therefore would have been 43 when she married. I am only aware of one child (Eliza Elizabeth Emery b:1837) travelling with her to Australia. Eliza became my gg grandmother and died in 1927 at Port Lincoln, South Australia.
Thanks
Bill
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There is a tree on An***try that certainly needs to be proven.
Shows 4 children to them
Matthew Charles b1834 Somerset USA (Sic)
Henry 1835-1839
Eliza Elizabeth 1837-1927
Emma Sarah 1843-1855
Jane's parents
Levi Treasure 1776-1881
Bete Betty (or Elizabeth) Trusler 1779-1877
Robert's parents
Joseph Emery b 1784
Mary Field
Annie
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In 1841, Jane (25) is living with her children Mathew (7) and Eliza (4), and by 1851 she is a 37 year old "widow" living with Eliza (14), and Emma (7) who is clearly not Robert's child. That narrows down the arrival years to 1851 - 1855, but still no joy with NSW, Vic, SA, or Tas.
Debra
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Hi Annie
Actually I have a tree on 'that' site - Goode Family Tree. (I have Somerset, UK! but rest of info is the same)
Two of the children died quite young, Matthew's history is unknown, leaving only Eliza to come to Australia, as far as I can ascertain. (Emma was born after Jane's husband was imprisoned so who knows who the father was).
Thanks
Bill
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Hi Debra
Yes, I agree with 1851-1855 but is still a mystery how she got here or what become of her.
Cheers
Bill
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Hi Bill,
I had no joy with an arrival. There are a couple of interesting things. There appears to be yet another marriage.
PARKER John 45 status not recorded father John PARKER = JACKSON Jane 49 status not recorded father Levi TRASIER 12 July 1865 Ettridges Eating House Port Lincoln Dist Fli 63/14
Possibly this death for Joseph (only one I am spotting prior to this marriage)
JACKSON Joseph died 3 May 1858 Queenstown Dist Ade 5 225. He was aged 33 status relative not recorded.
also possible sisters marriage
BAKER John William Stanley 46 widow father Thomas Stanley BAKER = YOUNG Mary Ann 44 Widow father Levi TRASEUR 4 Dec 1871 St George Church Gawler Dist Bar 89/552
Cheers Kris :)
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There is a BISA entry for John Baker, alas not very informative
BAKER John Wm S. residence Pt Gawler religion C/E
married 4 Dec 1871 Gawler SA Mary Ann nee YOUNG
Not seeing one for John Parker.
Cheers Kris :)
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There is a possible death for John BAKER but it is such a common name and with a missing Christian name and an age difference from the marriage entry, it is hard to be sure :-\
BAKER John Standley died 18 Jun 1886 Two Wells dist PtG 156 90. He was aged 68, married, relative Mary Ann BAKER wife. Residence Two Wells
there is a gravestone which lists him as John Stanley
http://headstones.weebly.com/two-wells.html
There is this possibility for Mary Ann...again not a perfect match and some distance from Two Wells :-\
BAKER Mary Ann died 7 Aug 1908 hospital Adelaide Dist Ade 335 138. She was aged 85 a widow residence Strathalbyn
Cheers Kris :)
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Thank you to Kris, Debra & Annie.
I'll follow up the leads that you have given me and see where it goes. Don't we all love to have characters like Jane in our trees!
Cheers
Bil
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Hi all
Just a follow up on Mary Ann TREASURE. It looks like she may have married again!
Quote from fiche -
Mary Ann Stanley BAKER, 56 years, widow, father-Levi FRASER
Married 27th Sept 1889 Christchurch, North Adelaide
Edward RAFFALTAY, 47 years, single, father-Patrick RAFFALTAY
The gentleman she married could be Edward RAFFERTY. Does anyone have more information on him or perhaps a burial for Mary Ann RAFFERTY?
Mary Ann also appears to have had a child - Susan Treasure BURRAGE with William BURRAGE in Islington, SA 1857. Susan died Pt Gawler 1868.
Regards,
Veanne Treasure
Bundy Au
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Hello Ve
I agree, it looks like she married again.
Edward Rafferty died 7/12/1896 aged 56 in Adelaide. Usual residence Adelaide; no relative recorded on reg of death.
Mary Ann's death was recorded under name of BAKER. She died 7/8/1908 in Adelaide Hospital. Usual residence Strathalbyn (SA); relative - John Baker. Why wasn't 'Rafferty' used??
I have tried to find a burial place but have been unsuccessful to date.
And, yes, she did have another child (Susan). I have also been unsuccessful in locating her burial place.
These Treasures are a colourful lot!
Cheers, Bill.
PS: I originate from a small town in country SA and an old girl friend of mine married, you guessed it, a TREASURE, and my wife has recently established that, you guessed it again, he is related to me. (one of the Stoke Lane Treasures). Scary, isn't it!
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Hi Bill
You are a super slueth!!! Thanks for that, it is not easy for me to access the SA indexes from where I live.
She certainly was interesting wasn't she.
You know it really is a small world and after researching for a couple of years now, nothing surprises me much anymore. I found my maternal cousin's husband is related to the Stoke Lane Hiscox/Francis side who married our Henry "George" Treasure and they live in New Zealand!
I hope you don't mind but I will pass on your findings to the other guys in our little research group and credit the find to yourself.
Step by Step, inch by inch we are getting the tree a little more complete.
Thanks heaps,
Vee
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Hello again Vee
Have just located Mary Ann's grave site! She is buried in West Terrace Cemetery, Adelaide under name of M A Baker. I will try and visit the cemetery today and post a photo on my 'on line family tree'.
It's interesting that her sister, Jane Treasure (my 3x ggrandmother) is buried in the same cemetery.
Thanks for prompting me to revisit Mary Ann.
Cheers, Bill
PS: If this message is posted twice in error; my apologies.
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Hi again Bill
Actually, at second look, I am not sure that the Mary Ann BAKER death is her. Anc*** has John BAKER listed as her father so she would have been a spinster and the age is out (abt 1823) but not by much.
I wonder if you will be able to sort it for sure with a visit to the cemetery.
Vee
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Hi Vee
Yes, I noticed that as well.
On death reg. John Baker is listed as 'relative', which I took to mean not necessarily father (could be husband?) . She is described as a 'Widow' (about 3 times over I reckon!) and age is only out 2 years, which I guess is not uncommon.
Only one thing to do - pay her a visit.
Cheers, Bill.
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Perhaps there may be more available on Edward RAFFERTY's death certificate.
RAFFERTY Edward
7 Dec 1896 56 years Status not known Relative not recorded
Residence Adelaide Death Place Adelaide Ade S 239/351
S. Supplementary Information. Additional unusual information included such as:
· Previous Residence Listed.
· Length of Residence in Colony Stated.
· Deceased Child's Father is Deceased.
· Deceased Maiden Name is Listed.
· Junior/Senior of Deceased is listed.
· Younger Son
· Prison
· State Child.
· Guardian Named.
· Adelaide Destitute or Lunatic Asylum listed as Residence or Death Place.
· Unusual Death or amount of information on circumstances of Death.
· Sister of Church if known as - religious name stated.
· Fuller details available re deaths at sea - longitude and latitude.
· Final names reduced to initials due to space problems
· Remarriage on post 1906 registrations unusual enough to warrant this.
Mary Ann BAKER who died 9 Aug 1908 aged 85 years, is buried at West Terrace Cemetery, Section Road 1 South, Path#34, Grave#54.
The death registration for Mary Ann BAKER notes relative John BAKER [Deceased Husband]. I have seen the practice of reverting to a former married name following the death of a current spouse. Perhaps the additional information on Edward's death certificate may be helpful ie perhaps items 7 or 10 on the list :-\ I wonder who was the informant on her death certificate. It is possible that it wasn't known to the informant that Mary Ann was married Edward RAFFERTY for seven years.
How do you know the 1908 death is your Mary Ann TREASURE? I note that Kris has a :-\ [undecided]on her post.
The ages vary on the civil regs - 44 in 1871, born c1827; 56 in 1889, born c1833 and 85 in 1908, born c1823.
Not many Edward RAFFERTY's in the SA records...wonder if this is your man :-\
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0egp/
Was initially only going to post Mary Ann BAKER's burial info ;D....I think I need to get a life :P
Good luck.
Cando
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According to an online websitesite, there is no headstone on her grave.
Cando
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Thanks Cando
I had previously found that newspaper article and considering the Treasure families long... history with criminal activities I would not be surprised that she was associated with this type of man.
Yes, it may be fruitful to get the death certificate of Edward RAFFERTY.
Mary Ann TREASURE was baptised at Stoke Lane, Somerset on 6 May 1821.
And I agree I too think I need to get a life..... but these Treasures are just so interesting.
Thank you so much for your valuable input.
Kind Regards,
Veanne Treasure
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England & Wales, Criminal Registers 1791-1892
Somerset Assizes 1838
County Sessions 9 Jul
TREASURE Mary Ann 16 years Larceny 14 days
Somerset Assizes 1839
County Sessions 21 Oct
TREASURE Mary Ann 17 years Larceny before conviction felony 7 years
Mary Ann TREASURE
http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?detail=1&type=C&id=71416
Digitised description
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON19-1-12,606,595,C,50
Conduct record.....drunk, absent, drunk, discharged to her husband on the condition he remove her from Richmond. Need to spend sometime to decipher much of the writing. Bit rushed at the moment. Her record is at the bottom of the page.
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON40-1-10,257,119,C,80
Her first application for permission to marry James THOMPSON a convict who arrived on the AURORA was refused. If the link reverts to the first page of the records just click on Page 196,197
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0egr/
2nd Application to marry Edward YOUNG Free, was approved. Page 234/235
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0egs/
Marriage
TREASURE Mary Ann 20 years
YOUNG Edward 41 years
12 Feb 1844 At Hobart Reg# 1382/1844
No births registered to this couple in Tasmania. No death for an Edward YOUNG of the right age ie born c1803, in Tasmania to 1900.
There is no record of her departure from Tasmania.
Perhaps this is Edward's death in SA
YOUNG Edward
5 Oct 1871 70 years Status not known Relative not recorded
Residence Adelaide Death Place Adelaide Ade S 44/60
Cheers
Cando
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Edward YOUNG who died 6 Oct 1871 aged 70 is buried at West Terrace Cemetery Section Road 1 North, Path#39 and Grave#5
There are others buried at the same location at a much later date which suggests the grave was re-leased.
http://www.aca.sa.gov.au/RecordsSearch.aspx
Wonder if this Edward YOUNG is Mary Ann's husband...in1867
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0egu/
Cheers
Cando
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Thanks Cando
No need to decipher, we have all of that information. She was quite a little Treasure, as were her siblings, which included our gg-grandfather. Her parents Levi & Betty had 13 children - 4 died in childhood - 7 involved in the courts (including their father) - 2 girls lived normal lives.
Actually, you may know this one (or perhaps someone else out there) - In the conduct record of Tasmania, it listed one of her crimes as "two years on the town". Does that mean what I think it means or was she homeless?
Veanne Treasure
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"two years on the town"
Prostitution?
Cando
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Yes that is what I was thinking.
Veanne
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Hi Vee & Cando
Thank you Cando for all your additional input into the life and times of our Aunt. (Prostitution, indeed! ;)
I visited the West Terrace Cemetery yesterday and, sure enough, it was an unmarked grave. That was a bit disappointing however, as my wife pointed out, we were probably the first 'visitors' she has had since she was buried there all those years ago. So the trip was not a waste.
I will organise getting a copy of Edward Rafferty's death cert.
Thanks to you both.
Bill
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Hi Bill
To share the load I will order a copy of the death cert of Mary Ann BAKER and hopefully it will have some clue that it is or isn't her.
Thanks for going out to the cemetery,
Vee
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Transcriptions are available in SA
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,280572.msg1367795.html#msg1367795
Information on death certificates in South Australia -
1908-1947
Date and Place of Death
Name
Sex
Age
Occupation
Usual Residence
Birthplace
Length of Residence in Commonwealth
Age at Marriage
Number of Issue Living and Deceased
Cause of Death
Place of Death
Informant
Cando
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Well done Vee & Cando
I have ordered transcription today.
Bill
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Hi Cando & Bill
Sharada has just found a burial at the Two Wells Cemetery that looks interesting. Remember husband no. 2 John Stanley BAKER was buried there.
A Mary Ann ORAFFERTY was buried there 8 May 1902 aged 80 years, of Port Gawler.
On the site I subscribe to the relative listed is a Thomas ORAFFERTY.
Cando, I wonder if you would mind having a closer look for a description of what relation he was to this Mary Ann.
regards,
Vee
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ORAFFERTY Mary Ann
02 May 902 Status Widow 80 years Relative Thomas ORAFFERTY [Deceased Husband]
Residence Two Wells Death Place Two Wells PtG 285/349
There are only two ORAFFERTY deaths in SA to 1915, both females. Information on deaths certs only as good as the knowledge of the informant.
There are some snippets on TROVE about Mary Ann ORAFFERTY, her estate including assets and legacies.
Cheers
Cando
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Thanks very much Cando
I will have a look into this one, but I don't our Mary Ann would have left an estate?
Vee
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Have just received details of Edward Rafferty's death registration:
Edward Rafferty 56y labourer died 7 Dec 1896 of paralysis in the Destitute Asylum
Usual residence Adelaide
Informant T Bradley undertaker at North Adelaide
Registered by T Leak
Entered in District Registry Office (Adelaide) 14 Dec 1896 by Adrian Korff District Registrar.
Will wait and see what Mary Ann's registration says........
Bill
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Here is the details of the Mary Ann Baker death and I don't think this is our Mary Ann Treasure.
Mary Ann Baker 85y died 7 Aug 1908 of senile decay in Adelaide Hospital
widow of the late John Baker a stonecutter
usual residence Strathalbyn
birthplace Taunton England resident in Commonwealth for 53yrs
age at marriage 22y total issue 2M 2F alive and 1M 5F deceased
informant R G Trevelion undertakers assistant Magill Rd, Norwood
registered 10 Aug 1908 by A C W Buick
entered in District Registry Office 10 Aug 1908 by Max Wilsen District Registrar
the search continues........
Veanne Treasure
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Hi Bill,
Don't know if you are still researching your GG history, but I have been researching the King family history for my husband Andrew King.
So far, this is what I have found out about Jane Treasure.
5th Mar 1855 - Jane arrived in Adelaide aboard the "Flora Kerr" with daughter Eliza. She travelled with brother John, his wife and her family.
14th Dec 1855 - Jane married Joseph JACKSON at the Trinity Church, Adelaide. (husband Robert Emery in Jail but was given a pardon conditional on his working in Tasmania)
12th Jul 1865 - Jane married John PARKER at Etteridges Eating House, Port Lincoln.
20th May 1871 - Jane was admitted to the Adelaide Lunatic Asylum suffering from dementia.
22nd May 1892 – Jane died at the Parkside Hospital, Adelaide and was buried at the West Terrace Cemetery, Adelaide.
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Hello Chrissy and welcome to Rootschat.
Yes, I am still working on the tree and I would be interested to know where your husband fits in.
I'll send you a personal message.
Regards, Bill
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Jane TREASURE was baptised 25th December 1812 at Stoke Lane by her parents Levi & Bettey TREASURE.
On the 8th Dec 1833 she married Robert EMERY at Stoke Lane witnessed by Elizabeth TREASURE & Edward GREEN.
They had children Matthew Charles 1834-1878, James 1835-1836, Eliza Elizabeth 1837-1927 & Anne 1840-1841.
On the 9th July 1838 she was convicted of robbery with violence and sentenced to 2 months imprisonment.
In 1841 she is living at Frog Lane, Stoke Lane with children Matthew & Eliza. Husband Robert had been transported to Tasmania along with her brother John.
She had a child Emma Sarah in 1843 at Stoke Lane.
In 1851 she is living at Witheybrook, Stoke Lane working as a Coal Carrier. Daughters Eliza and Emma are with her.
On the 5th Mar 1855 she arrived in Adelaide aboard the "Flora Kerr" with daughter Eliza. She travelled with brother John, his wife and her family.
On the 14th Dec 1855 she married Joseph JACKSON at the Trinity Church, Adelaide.
On the 12th Jul 1865 she married John PARKER at Etteridges Eating House, Port Lincoln.
On the 20th May 1871 she was admitted to the Adelaide Lunatic Asylum suffering from dermentia.
She died on 22nd May 1892 at the Parkside Hospital, Adelaide and is buried at the West Terrace Cemetery, Adelaide.
Hi this is Tony Treasure sending this info from South Australia about 160 miles from Port Lincoln.
Regards Tony