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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Kildare => Topic started by: agho on Monday 08 March 10 23:00 GMT (UK)
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Does anybody know if there is a record anywhere of the Irish Volunteers who were detained in the Curragh in the 1920s?
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Kildare Online Electronic History.
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Also 1169 and Counting.
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Thanks for those links Kamilla. I was looking for a record of names of the prisoners. Family lore says that my grandmother's eldest brother was there. I know her brothers were all involved in the Irish Volunteers and two of them ran away to Canada & never returned. The other was apparently captured and detained in the Curragh.
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These records are available in the Military Archives Office in Cathal Brugha Barracks, Rathmines, Dublin. However, the Archives are currently closed and will not re-open until May 31st. There are about 10 big boxes of records from the War of Independence (Correction: Civil War - Cathal Brugha has Civil War Records only! See second post below!) , but they are not indexed and you will need to devote a huge amount of time to searching them. However, I have searched them and have some lists of prisoners in the Curragh, so if you give me the name and address of your granduncle, I MAY be able to help you.
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Thanks very much for that information jud72. My granduncle was Maurice Neville from Donoughmore, Co Cork. Spending hours going through papers is nothing new to me so good to know that the records are available.
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Just realised that I made a silly mistake in saying that the Military Archives in Cathal Brugha has records from the War of Independence. It only has records from the Civil War! 10 big boxes of them! However, they do have written statements that were taken from some of the veterans of the War of Independence during the 1950's. These statements were mostly taken from local leaders and commanders though.
The National Archives in Kew, London has the records on the War of Independence. Once again, they are not very well indexed so expect to spend quite a bit of time there. They have books detailing the sentences handed down during court martials, so if your granduncle was actually sentenced, then he would probably be included there. However, most prisoners were simply interned without trial.
I think that the only internment camp whose records still survive at Kew was the Curragh. I have photos of some of those records but the only Nevilles that are listed were three from Tullamore, Co. Offaly. However, the records I have are from the second half of 1921 so it may be that he had been there at an earlier date.
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Thanks Jud72 I think a week in London is required!!
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Hi agho,
I also had a great uncle interred in tin town curragh camp in early 1920s. He was Peter White from Dublin and was on hunger strike there. Just wondering if you have any more information on the time in the camp then or lists of detainees??
Thanks
Ger
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I haven't pursued this line of inquiry yet, will post back if I find anything
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thanks a mill
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Please would you be able to check out anything on my granduncle, Mick McGrath, who would have been detained in the Curragh during 1923c? I would be so grateful to find out anything. Family heresay isn't really enough. Thanks a million!
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Hi, im new to this but for many years now there has been a search for records for my g-g uncle joseph whitty who was also in the curragh around the 1920 time, this search includes local politicians and everything and so far this is the most info we have received i was just wondering could you please contact me with any information you may have about
joseph whitty
Wexford
co.Wexford
any info would be greatly appreciated,
and could you please forward on the addresses that are posted above ????
and what i can find there as i would like to show the local politicians that have found out little bits already for us and join in celebrating the memory every easter.
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i have some more info that i pulled off a picture of his headstone i took last easter it says
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IN MEMORY OF
JOSEPH WHITTY
Connolly St. Wexford
South Wexford Brigade I.R.A.
Who Died For Ireland
2nd Aug 1923 Aged 19
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Hi all,
I have in my possession an autograph book given to my brother by my uncle in law whom I believe was interned in the Tintown No. 1 camp, Curragh in 1923. The book contains messages and sayings from the detainees.
Among those who signed are the following:-
J. Togher, Ballina, Co. Mayo
S. Corcoran, Balla.
B. Brady, Drumcarn
Michael naBeaghre
M. Ferguson
Michael McCoy, Listowel, Co. Kerry
Muiris O Conchubhair, Listowel, Co. Kerry.
Dan Kelly, Beechwood, Roscommon
Thomas F. Healy, Ballycastle, Co. Mayo
Myles King, Westport, Co. Mayo
Michael Collins, Carrabawn, Clonbur, Co. Galway.
Michael Carrabine, Main St. Belmullet, Mayo
Seamus De Burca,
Jim McHugh, Galway
W.J. Hande, Tuam, Co. Galway (Ballanacill?)
Tomás O' Suileabháin. 4th Battallion. Waterford.
D. O'Mahony.
Michael Fuller. Lixnaw, Co. Kerry
Liam Meachair. Co. Dublin
J. Flynn. Waterford.
Micheal O'Longáin. Ballyglunin, Co. Galway.
Pádraig O'Mea
Tom Quigley. Batt 2, 2nd Western Division.
D. Cullen
Georgie Giles. Waterford.
Mattie Flannery. Ballinrobe, Co. Mayo
John Reidy. Liscnaw, Co. Kerry.
M. (Mac) (G.) Rory
E. McGrath
P. Power (Hare Park, Kilkenny)
This book belonged to my uncle in law Peader Cummins, late of Waterford, who was interned during that period. The dates are signed from July to October 1923. Comments are welcome.
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Just to say that due to the handwriting there may be some errors in the spelling of the names and places.
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I was very interested to come across the Curragh Camp detainees. Is there any more you can tell me about Michael Fuller, Lixnaw, Co. Kerry? I believe he is a relative of mine.
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Hello to all on this site, can anyone tell me who was Governor of Tintown Internment Camp from 1922 - 1923
CSM
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Hi. I am doing some research for an author of an upcoming book, due for publication next year concentrating on the period 1913-1926. She wishes to include a piece on Joseph Whitty of Wexford who died on hunger strike in 1923. He was aged 19 and is buried in Ballymore. In particular, we are interested in Joseph's family, parents, siblings, etc. Where the family lived in 1901 and 1911 is a puzzle. I live near New Ross and would gladly travel to meet anybody who could help. Patrick Flanagan
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it was called:
Rath Internment Camp in the Curragh
http://www.museum.ie
type in search box Rath Internment Camp
http://www.esatclear.ie
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Hi all I am also looking for information on the Curragh Camp Escapees! I know that my Great Grand Uncle Hugh (Hughie) Curran was arrested after an ambush on a lorry in the Curragh in 1921. He was then imprisoned in the Curragh. I also believe that he escaped in Sept 1921 with the group of escapees. Hughie then emmigrated to America. I am having great difficulty finding records of him leaving the country. However in this case I'd love to find something on him regarding his imprisonment and subsequent escape. The article from the Leinster Leader on 17th September 1921 quotes "The majority of the men who escaped are said to be from Dublin, Tullamore, Mayo and Galway district, and it is said that only one of the Kildare men is included amongst the number who escaped, Kildare men been in different huts. I only have family stories at the moment to know that Hughie escaped from the Curragh but if this is true and the Leinster Leader's information is correct this could possibly match up as Hughie Curran. If anyone has come across anything I'd be extremely grateful to hear from you!
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I have a small diary of people in Curragh Camp, Hare Camp 1923 in handwritten comments from internees as follow. forgive my interpretation as the print is rather small in in old irish.
Hutch 30 hare Park , Curragh
Sean O'Cogariin, Cathal O'Cein, Ft White,P O'Connor,L.Redmnd,Thmas Hgan,Tadg O'Floigg,Patrick O'Neill,Richard Knowles,Sean de Paor,Andrew Coffey,Jim McDonnell,Thomas Woods,john Colelough,Michael Murphy,Alardaip,de Bailegn,Tmair Ua Beacain,Seamus O'Brian,S.Mac Geapisilt,A.Power, Patrick Sheehan, Tom Brick, Maurice Spillane,Nicheal O'Grinin, Peadar Vinclair,Cinnuikicadon,Sean O'Riagain
There are sketches and poems and I would glaldy send copies............Tony Redmond
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I am looking for information on a John G. Walsh detained in the Tintown No. 10 camp, Curragh in 1923. I have seen a book that has copies compiled of drawings and poems signed by the detainees. Does anyone have anything on John Walsh?
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My uncle was an officer in the Roscommon volunteers and was imprisoned in Tintown A, His name was MICHAEL CULLEN. He was released on 22 February 1923. Does his name appear on the book? I notice you have a D Cullen and you say that the writing is unclear. Is there any chance that it might be him?
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Hi there.i really hope you are still active on this site.i have just joined and i think we have a shared ancestor. Hugh curran was my great uncle and his brother charlie was my grandfather. I understand they were both interned in the curragh camp and both involved in the escape. I just recently got more information regarding this but not sure if it is true but i have no reason to doubt its authenticity. My name is Lena Curran and i am originally from Dublin but now living in australia.would love to hear back from you
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Please please reply we have an ancester in common
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Hello Charlie,
Welcome to RootsChat :) agho is still very much active on RootsChat hopefully he will reply to you very soon. I am sorry but you PM to Jud was returned to us, it looks like his email address has changed but we do not know what the new one is.
Regards
Sarah
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Hello I have recently heard about this and think I might have someone who was held there. Is there anywhere I can check, even in Dublin archives or online? I have been told in good faith I should check.
Thank you.
Jean.
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Hello all,
I have been researching my families involvement in the Curragh Camps
I was able to find information from the following link -
http://www.militaryarchives.ie/en/collections/reading-room-collections/civil-war-internment-collection
You will need to book a visit to ( if you live in Ireland ) -
Contact Officer
Military Archives
Cathal Brugha Barracks
Rathmines
Dublin 6
Tel - +003531 8046457
Email - militaryarchives "at" defenceforces.ie
I have always found them most helpful
There are lists of Prison & Internment Camp Staff, as well as lists of prisoners
Material relating to prisoners held in military custody in Tintown Camps, Curragh, Gormanstown, during the Civil War
I was not aware there was Tintown Camps no's 1,2 & 3
The reference code - IE/MA/CW/P
Title - Civil War Collection
Extent & Description - 16 boxes, 32 ledgers, paper & bound volumes
Creators - National Army
Finding Aid - Civil War Internment Catalogue (1MB)
I hope the above is of some help to those looking for information on relatives, I was able to find out much that was unknown to my family
Happy research
CSM
Dates 1922 -
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Thank you fir this info. I'm going to Dublin tomorrow and will try to find something.
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last weekend find my past was free
found some fabulous records on a chap i was researching in Secret British Military records referring to raids by the King's own Regt Jan 1921 and May 1921
gave me his address James St Dublin, his occupation Grand Canal Co where he worked, full physical description, the names of those in the house with him and his rank as Captain I R A.
Released on bond 29 Nov 1921 to 9 Dec 1921 from Rath Camp
one of the lads there smuggled in a camera
https://thecricketbatthatdiedforireland.com/2015/01/07/covert-photography-in-rath-internment-camp-joseph-lawless-1921/
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My great uncle, Justin Charles McKenna was interned at the Rath Camp from November 1920 to August 1921.
He had been elected unopposed at Sinn Fein member for Louth and was released with about sixteen other internees who had similarly been elected for the first Home Rule parliament.
I found a whole of sheaf of documents related to his arrest, court martial, internment instructions and relase papers at the National Archives in Kew, London.
I'm very happy to share with those that may be interested.
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Hi all, i have an autograph book my great uncle kept while in tin town camp 2 in 1922 - 1923.. his name was James Carroll. If anyone has come across his signature in their relations books id love to hear about/ see it. And obviously im happy to share anything in his book. James was 1st battalion B company Dublin brigade.
Regards
Rob
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Here is a list of names who contributed to the diary. There are a few more but i cant read the signatures. Any im not 100% sure of i left a question mark on.
Tom Byrne
Rory O Connor
Thomas Cooney
E Byrne
Priommseas O Sespbon?
J o Hanlon/scanlon ?
Thomas Smith
Seosaimh mac Daithead
Patrick mcLoughlin
Sean o Ceagan??
Kavanagh
S o Rourke
P Shine
John J Cunningham?
Seamus o Dongaile/Donspaile??
Thomas B.... ?
P O Broin
Paddy Allen
Joseph Lyahes?
P j McMahon
Sean Praideas?
Con O Brien
Donncad mac Capceag?
Conn R O Keefe
Pat o Brien
William Partley?
G P Broderrick?
Martin Hogan tribute died 21/4/1923
Sean Burke
J P MacCann
Thomas Goodison
L Power
Frank McGuinness
Maurice McKenna
P J Moynagh
D Mc Donnell
Frank Dunne
Owen Shortt
P Scullen??
B Moran
Thomas Shaw
K MacCann
Peter Ward/wood?
Matthew Molloy
Patrick m Kenna (tyrone)
Patrick Mulhern?
John Hutton/mutten?
M Hendrick?
Joseph Murphy
Sean o Connor
William Creighton
Patrick Gibney
Patrick Fl... ?
Donnall o Dubda
Frank Curran
Joseph Wilson
M O Shea
Joe McDermott
W Stoneham?
Joseph Wood
J Smith
John Counihan
Patrick McDonnell
Sean p ui Muineacain
JJ o loughlin
Thomas Byrne (thos)
Padraig o Lonnargain
If anyone has an interest in a particular name i can send on that persons writings.
Rob.
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Hi Rob (Shogunrob),
I noticed my grandfather's name in your great uncle's autograph book he kept while in tin town camp 2 in 1922 - 1923. His name was Owen Shortt, any chance I could get a copy or photograph of what he wrote?
Thanks
Patrick
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hi folks have only started looking into my grandfather he was called john fitzsimmons im wondering if any one has came across his name from co. kildare. its my understanding he was imprisoned and that story in family is that his brother poss f. fitzsimmons was a guard in the gaol at same time. now i dont know if this is folklore etc but would really like help/guidance the best way i could go about finding out if this really happened. thanks
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I realise this is a long shot but if username 'athcarne' is still active I would very much like to view the diary he talked about in a post in 2013, see copy of post below. I believe my grandfather Michael Murphy may have been mentioned in the list of internees in 1923.
See copy of post below:
I have a small diary of people in Curragh Camp, Hare Camp 1923 in handwritten comments from internees as follow. forgive my interpretation as the print is rather small in in old irish.
Hutch 30 hare Park , Curragh
Sean O'Cogariin, Cathal O'Cein, Ft White,P O'Connor,L.Redmnd,Thmas Hgan,Tadg O'Floigg,Patrick O'Neill,Richard Knowles,Sean de Paor,Andrew Coffey,Jim McDonnell,Thomas Woods,john Colelough,Michael Murphy,Alardaip,de Bailegn,Tmair Ua Beacain,Seamus O'Brian,S.Mac Geapisilt,A.Power, Patrick Sheehan, Tom Brick, Maurice Spillane,Nicheal O'Grinin, Peadar Vinclair,Cinnuikicadon,Sean O'Riagain
There are sketches and poems and I would glaldy send copies............Tony Redmond
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Hi Rob,
I was looking at the list of signatures who contributed to the diary and I saw my great uncles name, Thomas O'Brien, You don't have the full last name but I'm pretty sure it's him as he was in the hunger strike in the Curragh prison. Would you be able to send on some of his writings, or any information at all would be lovely,
Thank,
Niamh.
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Hi sorry I’m new here I’m not sure if I replying correctly. ShogunRob , my great grandfather is in your list of autographs. PJ Moynagh. I’d love to see it if you have it. That would be only evidence I can find that he was there. Thanks