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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Kent => Topic started by: unibrat82 on Tuesday 09 March 10 11:56 GMT (UK)
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Hi everyone
I am looking for information on my my great grandmother Alice Murial Startup. I know she was born in May 1908 and her father was Francis Cecil Hill Startup. Anyone help?
Andy
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working back from Alice birth in 1908,
Births Jun 1908
Startup Alice Muriel A Nottingham 7b 480
this seems to be her parents marriage?
Marriages Mar 1905
STARTUP Francis Cecil H Staines 3a 26
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WICHENS Alice Staines 3a 26
OR alternate spelling
WICKENS Alice Staines 3a 26
You will have to get the Marriage Papers to ID Alice by her Father's name back in the 1881/91/01 census.
they moved around a bit - did they settle in Kent later?
still in Nottingham 3 years after Alice Muriel's birth. Francis' Mother Ann (see later info) is there and another child Charles Cecil, born c1907.
Fran* Cecil Hill Startup seems to be in Ecclesall Bierlow, Yorkshire
You could use 'Pay to View' on the 1911 census to establish more details.
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Francis should be found on the 1881 census, which will show his parents hopefully, as he was born:-
Births Jun 1880
STARTUP Francis Cecil H Kensington 1a 149
Murphy rules - Father isnt there, and Mum is not shown as Head, altho' they have their own Schedule #, they seem to be in the Household of a George Handley (a Carpenter).
RG11; Piece: 24; Folio: 16; Page: 27 Kensington: 71, Abingdon Villas
Ann Startup 34 Wife Married born Sussex, Petworth
Francis Cecil Startup 11 months old born Kensington
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This has to be Francis Cecil Hill Startup's parents marriage - look at her Maiden name.
Marriages Sep 1879
Brooks Amelia Kensington 1a 118
Harrington John Millison Kensington 1a 118
HILL Ann Kensington 1a 118
STARTUP Frank Morris Kensington 1a 118
There is a FRANK Startup - a Butler, in Kensington.
In service to a Hobart Ricketh,
RG11; Piece: 23; Folio: 67; Page: 38 Kensington, 4, The Terrace
Frank Startup 30 MARRIED born Kent, Maidstone: Butler Domestic
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By 1891, they have expanded the Family and moved to Colchester
RG12; Piece: 1407; Folio 111; Page 16 Colchester, 17 Alexandra Road
Frank Startup 38 Head of Household born Maidstone: Butler & Valet
Ann Startup 45 Wife born Petworth
Francis Startup 10 son Kensington
Archibald Startup 8 son ditto
Victor Startup 7 son ditto
Percy Startup 5 son ditto
Herbert Startup 2 son Colchester
Amy Phillips 20 Visitor
Walter Poole 35 Boarder born Ireland: Surgeon
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They are back in London West by 1901. Some changes have taken place.
RG13; Piece: 65; Folio: 18; Page: 28 Fulham, 37, Winchendon Road
Frank Startup 49 Head of Household born Kent, Barming: Greengrocers Assistant
Anne Startup 56 Wife Petworth
Francis Startup 20 son Kensington: Corn Merchants Assistant
Archibald Startup 18 son ditto: Clerk (Despatch)
Victor Startup 19 son ditto: Grocers asst
Percy Startup 15 son ditto: Drapers Asst
Herbert Startup 12 son Colchester: Scholar
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Going back to the 'beginning'; Frank is shown in 1861 with his own family:-
But his Birth Index entry is mistranscribed:-
Births Jun 1853
Hartup Frank Morris Maidstone 2a 370
here's the family on the census:-
RG9; Piece: 501; Folio: 52; Page: 21 Maidstone, Tonbridge Road
Thomas Startup 48 Head of Household born Kent, Otham: Agricultural Labourer
Charlotte Startup 38 Wife born Maidstone
William Startup 17 son
John Thos Startup 16 son
David J Startup 14 son
Henry T Startup 13 son
Elizabeth S Startup 11 dau
Mary Startup 9 dau
Frank M Startup 7 son
Ernest Startup 5 son
Frederick M Startup 2 son
all children stated as born in Maidstone
Marriages Dec 1842
Barrow Charlotte Maidstone 5 432
BROOKS Rebecca Maidstone 5 432
BUSHELL Elizabeth Maidstone 5 432
GIBBON Ann Maidstone 5 432
Sanders Henry Maidstone 5 432
STARTUP Thomas Maidstone 5 432
STEIMAN Thomas Maidstone 5 432
Weeks Charles Maidstone 5 432
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to tidy up at this stage (altho there is a lot more that can be done), here is Ann* Hill with her Family in 1851
HO107; Piece: 1649; Folio: 318; Page: 15 Petworth, 'Back Street'
all children stated as born in Petworth
John Hill 39 Head of Household born Petworth: Milkman & Ag Lab
Harriet Hill 40 wife born Sussex, Oving
Harriet Hill 15 dau DressMakers Apprentice
John Hill 14 son
Henry Hill 11 son
Jane Hill 8 dau
Ann Hill 6 dau
William Hill 1 son
John & Harriet's marriage will pre-date Civil Registration, which started late in 1837.
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Hi Andy, :)
A few years after Alice Muriels birth ,her father Francis Cecil Hill Startup has risen to the lofty Position of Manager in the Corn Trade and is lodging at 81 Wath Road in Sheffield .As you already know She her Mum ,Gran and brother are still at Nottingham as per earlier 12.07 post.
Regards Rog :D ;D
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this is fantastic so far. this is amazing!
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This info is fantastic I have really been struggling on this side of my family! Alice Murial was my great grandmother! If anyone has any more info it would be fantastic. It is helping me understand where my family come from!
Kind regards to all
Andy
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If you obtain the Marriage Papers for the 1905 marriage in the Staines District shown here, you will also be able to trace Alice's mother Alice back.
Use the Reference info shown to fill in the blanks on the GRO Order Form (currently £7.00 online, soon to be £9.25) - just specify the Grooms details given theres a query over the Brides spelling.
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
:)
working back from Alice birth in 1908,
Births Jun 1908
Startup Alice Muriel A Nottingham 7b 480
this seems to be her parents marriage?
Marriages Mar 1905
STARTUP Francis Cecil H Staines VOLUME 3a Page 26
AND
WICHENS Alice Staines 3a 26
OR alternate spelling
WICKENS Alice Staines 3a 26
You will have to get the Marriage Papers to ID Alice by her Father's name back in the 1881/91/01 census.
they moved around a bit - did they settle in Kent later?
still in Nottingham 3 years after Alice Muriel's birth. Francis' Mother Ann (see later info) is there and another child Charles Cecil, born c1907.
Fran* Cecil Hill Startup seems to be in Ecclesall Bierlow, Yorkshire
You could use 'Pay to View' on the 1911 census to establish more details.
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My great grandmother Alice Startup married my great grandfather Herbert Leslie Thompson in Sheffield in 1929. They then had my grandfather in Sheffield. From what I know they settled in Sheffield and my grandfather then moved to Hartlepool in Co.Durham.
As for the rest of the Startup family I believe they stayed in the London and Kent area.
Andy
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I was referring to her mother Alice Wickens - who I could not positively ID on the 1901 census.
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Sorry! I believe from a small piece of information my father has gave me that she was born in George Street in London.
Andy
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Sorry! I believe from a small piece of information my father has gave me that she was born in George Street in London.
Andy
Possibly St George Street, in Mayfair?
http://www.londontown.com/LondonStreets/st_george_street_d4b.html
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That looks like the place as it's near Hanover Square.
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Births Jun 1875
Wickens Alice St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 331
matches age on 1911 census.
still cant find her though. Perhaps mother remarried and she's under a stepfathers name?
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Marriage, St Peter's, Staines
20 March 1905
Francis Cecil Hill STARTUP, 26, bachelor, salesman, of 3 Cambria Grove, Nottingham - father Frank Morris STARTUP, frame maker
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Alice WICKENS, 29, spinster, of Grange Cottage, Graham Road - father George WICKENS, railway porter.
Witnesses: Charles WICKENS and [illegible]* STARTUP
*Underneath the illegible STARTUP signature the initials A.M. have been written.
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well, that has saved buying the Papers :)
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In 1891, 16-yr-old Alice WICKENS born St George Hanover Square is in service (as a general domestic servant) to a RIXON family in Fairfield Avenue, Staines: RG12/1017/20/35.
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still struggling in 1881 here - but your 1891 may be the key to 1901 :)
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...and she is likely to be the Allice [my reading] WICKENS, 26, cook, b Hanover Sq who is in service to a Grace THOMPSON in Park St, New Windsor, Berks in 1901: RG13/1168/36/1.
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Ollice - LOL
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Sorry missed this until now.
Alice Muriel Annie Startup was born on 6th May 1908 in Nottingham. She had two brothers, Charles Cecil born 1906 and Frank Maurice born 1912. Their father, Francis Cecil Hill Startup had been working as a traveller for an agricultural feed company and in the Census of 1911 he is shown as a Manager boarding in Ecclesall, Sheffield - could be prior to the family moving there. His father was Frank Morris Startup born c.1854 in the Maidstone area and he was an agricultural labourer born to Thomas Startup and Charlotte nee Barrow c.1818
Hope this helps. I am looking for the grandchildren of John Leslie Thompson born Sheffield 1932.
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hi Heather
Thank you for the information. I am one of John Leslie Thompson grandsons Are you related to him?
Andrew
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Heather, his youngest sister. Think I may have met you at his funeral. Any help you need just ask as I have a big tree!
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You did indeed. Private message me and I'll send you my email and we can converse that way 😊
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Charlotte Startup was my great, great grandmother married to Thomas Startup in 1842. Their second son John Thomas was my great grandfather. He emigrated to Canada and married Mary Grant Smith- their daughter Annie was my grandmother
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Frank's brother John Thomas was my great grandfather. He emigrated to Canada and married Mary Grant Smith . Their daughter Annie was my grandmother .
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Hi Peanutbutter could you private message me as would love to discuss more with you