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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Angus (Forfarshire) => Topic started by: Kim Pearce on Thursday 11 March 10 15:44 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for information on the Reid family. My greatgrandfather was George Reid (a middle name of Kennedy was added at a later date), born in Broughty Ferry in app 1869 to Elizabeth, nee Kennedy, and George Reid. I have records of the 1871 and 1881 census returns, showing the family. I'm more interested in birth, marrage and death information.
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hi Kim :)
IGI(familysearch) has george reid born 20th sept. 1868 monifieth angus
parents george reid and elizabeth kennedy
broughty ferry would have come under monifieth district at this time
try here for birth and marriage up to about 1875 -
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/igi/search_IGI.asp?indid=&spouse_id=&color=
ev
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Thank you so much for the help. I'll look in to getting a birth certificate.
Do you see anything on his parents (George b. app 1832 and Elizabeth b. app 1835)?
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marriage of george reid and elizabeth kennedy 6th april 1865 st nicholas
aberdeen
i note george gives his birthplace as old deer aberdeen and wife elizabeth
gives her birthplace as logie colston(coldstone ?) aberdeen on 1881 census
ev
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I have GRO images of George's birth in 1868 and his parents marriage in 1865.
George Senior's father was Andrew Reid a Crofter and his mother was Catharine Stephen.
Elizabeth's father was Donald Kennedy House Carpenter [dec.] and mother Jean Thomson [dec.]
George Senior gives his age as 38 thus born nearer 1827 and Elizabeth gives 37 thus c. 1828
BUT.... perhaps an error on marriage certificate Catharine for Christian
GEORGE REID was born 30 AUG 1827 Old Deer, Aberdeen, Scotland
to ANDREW REID
and CHRISTIAN STEVEN
OPR
ELIZABETH KENNEDY was born 26 MAR 1829
and christened on 04 APR 1829 Logie-Coldstone, Aberdeen, Scotland
to DONALD KENNEDY and JEAN THOMSON
OPR
I have sent a PM to you.
Aye
DDJ
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Hi DDJ,
Thank you so much for the help. Today was a big day for learning more about my Reid family. Another member helped me track down information on the death of George Jr in Singapore and you have helped us go back another generation. My Aunt and I are thrilled. Hopefully we'll be able to go a bit further back...
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Hi Kim ... then,
ANDREW REID married CHRISTIAN STEPHEN
on 22 AUG 1811 in Old Deer, Aberdeen, Scotland
LDS submitted Entry
All born to Andrew Reid and Christian Steven or Stephen
ANN REID - LDS submitted Entry
Christening: 22 MAY 1812 Old Deer, Aberdeen, Scotland
MARGARET REID - OPR
Birth: 30 APR 1814 Old Deer, Aberdeen, Scotland
JOHN REID - OPR
Birth: 22 NOV 1815 Old Deer, Aberdeen, Scotlan
ANDREW REID - OPR
Birth: 03 AUG 1818 Old Deer, Aberdeen, Scotland
ALEXANDER REID - OPR
Birth: 20 MAR 1825 Old Deer, Aberdeen, Scotland
GEORGE REID - OPR
Birth: 30 AUG 1827 Old Deer, Aberdeen, Scotland
WILLIAM REID - OPR
Birth: 27 JUL 1830 Old Deer, Aberdeen, Scotland
CHRISTIAN REID - OPR
Birth: 30 APR 1833 Old Deer, Aberdeen, Scotland
Andrew's parents and Christian's parents in the 1700s were probably
a permutation of John or Andrew and Margargaret or Ann
DDJJAKE
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Do Scottish records go back far enough to track their parents or am I at the end of the line for this particular branch of my family tree?
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Yes ... we should with luck get back further
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1851 Scotland Census
Andrew Reid [probably widower]
63 yrs b. c. 1787
Head
Born: New Deer, Aberdeenshire
Parish: Old Deer
Aberdeenshire
Back Hill Of Slamptown
Crofter Of 9 Acres
Household
Andrew Reid 63
Elizabeth Reid 13 Daughter born Old Deer
Christian Milne 12 Visitor
1851 Scotland Census
George Reid
24 yrs b. 1827
Head
Born: Old Deer, Aberdeenshire
Parish: Old Deer
Fetterangus
Aberdeenshire
North Street
Pauper Formerly Hawker
DDJ
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Possible ...
CHRISTIAN STEPHEN
christened 31 AUG 1791 Old Deer, Aberdeen, Scotland
to GEORGE STEPHEN and MARGARET WILSON
OPR
There are a few births for Andrew c. 1787 without a clear Parental match-up
Christian still alive in 1841 ...
1841 Scotland Census
Andrew Reid
Age: 50 to nearest 0 or 5
Born: Aberdeenshire, Scotland
Parish lived in .... Old Deer
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: Slampton Hill
Occupation: Crofter
Andrew Reid 50
Christian Reid 45 born Aberdeenshire
Christian Reid 8
Isabel Reid 5
DDJJAKE
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possible .... someone else has clearly been researching this line
and submitting info to LDS from perhaps family bible sources etc.
ANDREW REID ....... LDS submitted entry
christened on 10 FEB 1788 Old Deer, Aberdeen, Scotland
to ALEXANDER REID and ANNE HENRY
DDJJAKE
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Hi DDJ,
You are being so helpful! We really appreciate all your work on our behalf.
Once we gather all the "possibles" together, any suggestions on the best way to confirm the information?
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These are only the free Mormon transcriptions of most/but not all, of the official Old Parish Records that they bought rights to copy from GRO Edinburgh around 1991. But they contain LDS submissions from other folks with/without exact data related to some of the incomplete records. I may look at GRO OPRs to see if there is anything related to c. 1790s Reid/Stephen data there.
The census information I search out is courtesy of my worldwide membership of Ancestry.com.
The two images of 1865 and 1868 cost me a couple of pounds or so, but as helping is one of my hobbies, I don't mind doing that :-)
DDJJAKE
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Hi Kim ...
Great progress
1861 Scotland Census
Name: Andrew Reid
Age: 74
Head
Spouse's name : Christian
Gender: Male
Born New Deer, Aberdeenshire
Parish Savoch
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: Slampton
Occupation: Crofter Of 5 Acres
Andrew Reid 74
Christain Reid 70 wife born Old Deer
Christian Reid 27 daughter born Old Deer
Peter Beekie 4 grandson born Old Deer
William Reid 2 grandson born Old Deer
Margaret [Reid] Milne 47 daughter born Old Deer Stocking Knitter
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1871 Scotland Census
Christina Reid
79
Head
Born: Old Deer, Aberdeenshire
Civil parish: Old Deer
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: Slampton Hill
Occupation: Farmer (of 15 Acres)
Household Members: Name Age
Christina Reid 79
John Reid 20 Grandson born Fyvie, Aberdeenshire
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Father of Andrew (below) confirmed in Death Cert in June 5th 1866 --- No mother known by daughter Christian as informant [Image available]
ANDREW REID born 23 APR 1786 New Deer, Aberdeen, Scotland
to ROBT. REID and ISOBEL LAMB
OPR
Parents of Christian confirmed by her death in Fyvie 20th January 1878 [Image available] informant son John Reid
CHRISTIAN STEPHEN
christened 31 AUG 1791 Old Deer, Aberdeen, Scotland
to GEORGE STEPHEN and MARGARET WILSON
OPR
Personal Message me with e-mail address and I will send you FOUR GRO IMAGES
Aye
DDJJAKE
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I am hoping someone can help me with a couple more mysteries regarding this same "George Reid".
- George was not given a middle name when he was baptised but at some point in his later life, he took the name "Kennedy" as a middle name. Where could I find if this was a legal name change?
- on some censuses George was indicated, I believe, as a gardener. Later records, show him as a master chemist. Any ideas where I could find information on his education?
- I just heard a family rumour that George senior may have served time in prison. Where could I find out if this is true or not?
I apologize for so many questions.
Kim
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- George was not given a middle name when he was baptised but at some point in his later life, he took the name "Kennedy" as a middle name. Where could I find if this was a legal name change?
It probably wasn't recorded formally. You can use any name you like provided you don't do so with intent to defraud. It's quite common for people to acquire a middle name in later life.
- on some censuses George was indicated, I believe, as a gardener. Later records, show him as a master chemist. Any ideas where I could find information on his education?
This is George b 1868? Schooling was made compulsory in 1872, and there would have been records of his admission and progress. The question is whether these records have survived and if so where they are. I'd start by asking Dundee Public Library - see http://www.dundeecity.gov.uk/library/localhistory
- I just heard a family rumour that George senior may have served time in prison. Where could I find out if this is true or not?
That's more tricky because it would depend on which court sentenced him and that would depend on how heinous his crime was. Records of many court cases are in the National Archives of Scotland www.nas.gov.uk but I think I'd ask Dundee Public Library if they know where the local court or prison records are. You could be in for a long search if they're not indexed and you don't know when he was in prison.
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Andrew Reid 63
Elizabeth Reid 13 Daughter born Old Deer
Christian Milne 12 Visitor
Speculation: could Christian Milne be the daughter of William Milne and Margaret Reid, born 26 February 1839 in Old Deer?
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Thank you Forfarian. I do believe that these are Christian's parents. Thanks for finding them!
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Hello Kim,
You probably already have this information by now but I shall reply anyway. In the 1891 census, at Broughty Ferry, 199 Queen St, there is a George Reid age 62, a Gardener, b Old Deer, with his wife Elizabeth, age 61 b Logie-Coldstone, and dau Catherine L, age 25 b Forfarshire, a Millinery Saleswoman and dau Elizabeth, age 19 b Perthshire, a dressmaker. Hope this helps a bit if you had not already obtained this census.
Best Wishes,
Barbara
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Hi,
Are the parents of your Andrew Reid of Old Deer named Alexander Reid and Ann Henry?
If so, I think Andrew and my great great great grandfather were possibly brothers.
I’d have to check my records but I think the Milne surname also crops up somewhere.
Anyway, let me know and maybe we can compare notes and see if they were brothers.