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Title: John Charles SEWELL
Post by: soozyqu on Friday 12 March 10 04:07 GMT (UK)
Hi, I'm looking for information on a John Charles Sewell born in about 1919 in Victoria Aust. He once lived in Nth Essendon.
I have got the cencus records for him in years 1937, 1942 and 1949.
Wanting to know who he married and who was his parents. The only information I have is that he could have married a Glaydys Amy Weedon or Weeden.
I have no information on her either.
Any information on both of them would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks so much all of you.

soozyqu
Title: Re: JOHN CHARLES SEWELL
Post by: crisane on Friday 12 March 10 04:29 GMT (UK)
Here is an article about a John Charles Sewell in The Argus Melbourne. Sounds like your man.
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/11329215?searchTerm=john+sewell
Title: Re: John Charles SEWELL
Post by: cando on Friday 12 March 10 09:08 GMT (UK)
Quote
I have got the cencus records for him in years 1937, 1942 and 1949.
soozyqu

There are no census records for this period in Australia.  These are electoral roll enrolments.

Marriage
SEWELL John Charles
WEEDON Gladys Amy
1934   Reg#12027

A WW2 Service summary for a John Charles SEWELL but the date of birth is not the same.   Edit...not your man
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/script/veteran.asp?ServiceID=A&VeteranID=517898

and the death of the John Charles in the above record.

SEWELL John Charles
Father William  Mother Alice Maud  LEWIS
At Newport  55 years  1977  Reg#1803


and

SEWELL Gladys Amy
Father Werdon Alexander  Mother May UNKNOWN
East Brunswick  27 years  1944  Reg#849


Cando

Edit to add info


Title: Re: John Charles SEWELL
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 12 March 10 09:18 GMT (UK)
The John Charles SEWELL born in 1914 at Essendon to Sydney Geo SEWELL and Flor Amelia PHILBIN looks likely to be the one who married Gladys Amy WEEDON in 1934 and is listed in the Electoral Rolls.
Ref = 3260



Dee   :)
Title: Re: John Charles SEWELL
Post by: cando on Friday 12 March 10 09:33 GMT (UK)
Yes just about to post that Dee...ages didn't add up.  :-[

Cando

Title: Re: John Charles SEWELL
Post by: pocketrocket on Friday 12 March 10 09:35 GMT (UK)
Don't be afraid to try Armidale NSW.  There are a stack of Sewells up here and they date back to colonial days.  I can send you a reference in the pioneer's index book, i am pretty sure i saw a reference there recently.

Cheers,

Caroline
Title: Re: John Charles SEWELL
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 12 March 10 09:37 GMT (UK)
Yes just about to post that Dee...ages didn't add up.  :-[

Cando




Tis what made me go looking......  ;)    :)


Dee   :)
Title: Re: John Charles SEWELL
Post by: judb on Friday 12 March 10 09:53 GMT (UK)
Electoral rolls all John Charles SEWELL
1936 driver, 29 Charles St Carlton

1942 motor driver, with Gladys Amy at 21 Salisbury Ave North Essendon.  
Sydney George, fitter, and Ada Edith Constance at Pascoe Vale Rd Glenroy

1949 motor driver, with Betty at 21 Salisbury Ave North Essendon.  
Sydney George, fitter, and Ada Edith Constance at Pascoe Vale Rd Glenroy

So posssibly re-married by 1949.

1954 Betty is still at Salisbury Ave, Sydney and Ada at Pascoe Vale Rd; nothing for John

Judith

Title: Re: John Charles SEWELL
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 12 March 10 10:01 GMT (UK)
Gladys Amy SEWELL died 1944 at E BWICK.
Ref = 849.
Age was given as 27.
Parents given as Alex WERDON and May UNKNOWN.



OOPS.....Cando had already noted this!   :-[   :-[


Jno Chas SEWELL, aged 39, died  at Diggers rest in 1953.
Ref = 5711
Parents were Sidney SEWELL & Flor Amelia PHILBIN.


Dee    :)
Title: Re: John Charles SEWELL
Post by: crisane on Friday 12 March 10 10:05 GMT (UK)
Is this any good?
1954 Electoral Roll
John Charles Sewell 32 Bailey Ave Darebin Preston Vic. Labourer
William Arthur R Sewell Boot trade
Alice Maud Sewell home duties.
Title: Re: John Charles SEWELL
Post by: cando on Friday 12 March 10 10:32 GMT (UK)
Can't find a birth for a Gladys Amy WEEDON but there is this one...bear with me on this ;D  Only Gladys Amy with parents Alex and May in period.

SCHROEDER Gladys Amy
Father Alex  Mother May MILLSEN
At Carlton 1916  Reg#18913

So thought perhaps Gladys Amy WEEDON had been married previously but nothing on the indexes....found the above parents'  marriage

Marriage
SCHROEDER Alex
NILLSON May Lillian
At Brunswick  1905  Reg#8411

and deaths...nothing under SCHROEDER ...however...is this May Lilian NILLSON who married Alex SCHROEDER and changed their surname?

Death
WEEDON May Lilian
Father Nelson Harris  Mother May Lilian  SMITH
At Springvale  55 years  1937  Reg#15018

WEEDON  Arthur Alexander
Father Unknown  Mother UNKNOWN
At Heidelberg  87 years  1971  Reg#8114

Death at Heidelberg could be at the Repatriation Hospital so looked for a war record -

WW1 Service Record for Arthur WEEDON who enlisted in 1917 with NOK Wife May - did he change his name from SCHROEDER to WEEDON because of the war.  Record states he is married with several children.

Springvale Botanical Cemetery - May is buried and Arthur was cremated and his ashes scattered.

Births to this couple

SCHROEDER Alex Arthur Edward
Father Alex  Mother May Lillian NILLSON
At Carlton  1907  Reg#8974
and his death
WEEDON  Arthur Edward
Father Alexander  Mother May  UNKNOWN
At Melbourne  60 years 1967  Reg#22691

SCHROEDER Edna Elizabeth Rachel
Father Alex  Mother May Lillian NILLSON
At Carlton  1909  Reg#1538
her marriage
WEEDON Edna Elizth Rachel
LINGHAM Alexander James
1928   Reg#6608
and her death
LINGHAM Edna Elizabeth
Father Weedon Alexand  Mother May  NILLSON
At Springvale  65 years  1974  Reg#27897

SCHROEDER Lovell Bruce
Father Alex  Mother May NILLSON
At Carlton 1910  Reg#25575

SCHROEDER Violet Mary
Father Alex  Mother May NELSON
At Carlton 1912  Reg#9915

SCHROEDER Irene May
Father Alex  Mother May NILLSEN
At Carlton  1914  Reg#1801

Another death of a child b. c1923

WEEDON John Stanley
Father Arthur Alexander  Mother: Lillian May
At Fitzroy  58 years  1981  Reg#22135

Did SCHROEDER family changed their name to WEEDON c1917?  I would say yes.

Cando
Title: Re: John Charles SEWELL
Post by: judb on Friday 12 March 10 10:51 GMT (UK)
Electoral rolls

1914 SCHROEDER Alexandra Louenstein, painter, and May, home duties, at 644 Drummond St Carlton

1924, 1931, 1936
WEEDON Alexander, painter and May Lillian,home duties Princess Ave Springvale

1942
Alexander WEEDON painter 205 Albion St Brunswick West with Ellen WEEDON  I didn't check each entry but he appers to be in the same electorate until 1954 (end of my access)

Judith
Title: Re: John Charles SEWELL
Post by: cando on Friday 12 March 10 11:04 GMT (UK)
Quote
Electoral rolls

1914 SCHROEDER Alexandra Louenstein, painter, and May, home duties, at 644 Drummond St Carlton
judb

Birth
SCHROEDER Alexander Lowenstein
Father Julius  Mother Rachel ABRAHAMS
At Brunswick  1884  Reg#22671

Cando

Title: Re: John Charles SEWELL
Post by: cando on Friday 12 March 10 11:13 GMT (UK)
Inquest
SEWELL John C
1953  Ref#758
Cause -  Car Overturned
Inquest Date 9 Jun 1953
Notes -  Other date is 10 Jun1953

Cando

Title: Re: John Charles SEWELL
Post by: cando on Friday 12 March 10 11:45 GMT (UK)
Searched all the cemeteries around Essendon and finally some success.

One entry for Gladys Amy and George Sidney, Charles J' father.  You will have to purchase John Charles' death certificate to find his place of burial.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pobjoyoneill/Keilor/keilcemindex.html

SEWELL Gladys Amy, Mrs  27 years  Date 24 Jan 1944    
Location Pres 326 A    
Occupation Home  Duties    
Address 21 Salisbury Street, Moonee Ponds

SEWELL Sydney George  58 years  Date 21 July 1943   
Location Pres    327    A    
Occupation Manufacturer
Address  108 Glass Street, Essendon

Cheers
Cando
Title: Re: John Charles SEWELL
Post by: soozyqu on Friday 12 March 10 22:40 GMT (UK)
Thank you very much for all your hard work in finding John Sewell for me.
You are all truely amazing.

I would have never found him or his wife if it wasn't for you all.


Cheers soozyqu
Title: Re: John Charles SEWELL
Post by: SavannahH101 on Friday 26 August 11 08:59 BST (UK)
Hi Guys

My names Savannah and I know the real wife and children of John as I am his Great-Grandaughter

His Wife-
Betty Collins
His Daughter-
Patricia Dianne Sewell

His hobby
Jocky

This is the real John Charles Sewell who died in 1953 in a car accident with his best mate
Title: Re: John Charles SEWELL
Post by: cando on Saturday 27 August 11 06:41 BST (UK)
Hi Savannah :)

Welcome to rootschat. 

Thank you for the information about your great-grandfather.

The marriage registration for John Charles SEWELL's marriage to Betty COLLINS was after 1944 as his first wife Gladys Amy died in 1944.  The marriage index in Victoria only extends to 1942.
 
Birth
SEWELL John Charles
Father Sydney George  Mother Florence Amelia PHILBIN
At Essendon  1914  Reg#3260

Marriage
SEWELL John Charles
WEEDON Gladys Amy
1934  Reg#12027

Gladys Amy died in 1944 and her last address shown on the cemetery record is 21 Salisbury Street, Moonee Ponds.  She is buried next to to Sidney John SEWELL, John Charles' father.

and then on the Victorian electoral roll in 1949

SEWELL John Charles, 21 Salisbury Avenue, North Essendon  Motor driver
SEWELL Betty  21 Salisbury Avenue, North Essendon  HD

Betty was at the same address on the 1954 electoral roll.

The news item about the accident states that John Charles SEWELL was an engineer.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0es5/

John's death certificate should detail both his marriages and the children from both marriages. You can purchase online [$17.50] and immediately download an image of certificates in Victoria.
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=purchaseImage

So it would appear there were two 'real' wives ;D

Cheers
Cando

Title: Re: John Charles SEWELL
Post by: SavannahH101 on Saturday 27 August 11 08:04 BST (UK)
Hi Savannah :)

Welcome to rootschat. 

Thank you for the information about your great-grandfather.

The marriage registration for John Charles SEWELL's marriage to Betty COLLINS was after 1944 as his first wife Gladys Amy died in 1944.  The marriage index in Victoria only extends to 1942.
 
Birth
SEWELL John Charles
Father Sydney George  Mother Florence Amelia PHILBIN
At Essendon  1914  Reg#3260

Marriage
SEWELL John Charles
WEEDON Gladys Amy
1934  Reg#12027

Gladys Amy died in 1944 and her last address shown on the cemetery record is 21 Salisbury Street, Moonee Ponds.  She is buried next to to Sidney John SEWELL, John Charles' father.

and then on the Victorian electoral roll in 1949

SEWELL John Charles, 21 Salisbury Avenue, North Essendon  Motor driver
SEWELL Betty  21 Salisbury Avenue, North Essendon  HD

Betty was at the same address on the 1954 electoral roll.

The news item about the accident states that John Charles SEWELL was an engineer.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0es5/

John's death certificate should detail both his marriages and the children from both marriages. You can purchase online [$17.50] and immediately download an image of certificates in Victoria.
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=purchaseImage

So it would appear there were two 'real' wives ;D

Cheers
Cando




Oh my nanna's sisters mother is Gladys theres no record of gladys though
Title: Re: John Charles SEWELL
Post by: cando on Saturday 27 August 11 09:34 BST (UK)
Savannah births are not available after 1910 online but a number of rootschatters have resources to 1920. 

As I mentioned previously, John Charles SEWELL's death certificate would name children of both marriages ie if the informant had the knowledge.

Were you aware of John's first marriage?

Quote
Oh my nanna's sisters mother is Gladys theres no record of gladys though
I'm a bit lost here :)   What was Gladys's full name and date of birth? 

Cheers
Cando

Title: Re: John Charles SEWELL
Post by: SavannahH101 on Saturday 27 August 11 23:18 BST (UK)
No-one actually knows Gladys's birth date, Because her only daughter was 3 when she passed away. Her full name was Gladys Amy Weeden, and I know both children but only one of there last names theres:

Patricia Dianne Hall
and
Dawn
Title: Re: John Charles SEWELL
Post by: cando on Saturday 27 August 11 23:39 BST (UK)


No-one actually knows Gladys's birth date, Because her only daughter was 3 when she passed away. Her full name was Gladys Amy Weeden, and I know both children but only one of there last names theres:

Patricia Dianne Hall
and
Dawn

Savannah we found her birth under the name of SCHROEDER...and it is all on the thread but I will copy it here.  I would suggest that Gladys's father changed his name because of the anti German feelings in Aus during WW1.

Gladys's death registration and she is buried next to John Charles' father at Keilor cemetery.

SEWELL Gladys Amy
Father Werdon Alexander  Mother May UNKNOWN
East Brunswick  27 years  1944  Reg#849


Quote
Can't find a birth for a Gladys Amy WEEDON but there is this one...bear with me on this  :) Only Gladys Amy with parents Alex and May in period.

SCHROEDER Gladys Amy
Father Alex  Mother May MILLSEN
At Carlton 1916  Reg#18913


So thought perhaps Gladys Amy WEEDON had been married previously but nothing on the indexes....found the above parents'  marriage

Marriage
SCHROEDER Alex
NILLSON May Lillian
At Brunswick  1905  Reg#8411

and deaths...nothing under SCHROEDER ...however...is this May Lilian NILLSON who married Alex SCHROEDER and changed their surname?

Death
WEEDON May Lilian
Father Nelson Harris  Mother May Lilian  SMITH
At Springvale  55 years  1937  Reg#15018

WEEDON  Arthur Alexander
Father Unknown  Mother UNKNOWN
At Heidelberg  87 years  1971  Reg#8114

Death at Heidelberg could be at the Repatriation Hospital so looked for a war record -

WW1 Service Record for Arthur WEEDON who enlisted in 1917 with NOK Wife May - did he change his name from SCHROEDER to WEEDON because of the war.  Record states he is married with several children.

Springvale Botanical Cemetery - May is buried and Arthur was cremated and his ashes scattered.

Births to this couple

SCHROEDER Alex Arthur Edward
Father Alex  Mother May Lillian NILLSON
At Carlton  1907  Reg#8974
and his death
WEEDON  Arthur Edward
Father Alexander  Mother May  UNKNOWN
At Melbourne  60 years 1967  Reg#22691

SCHROEDER Edna Elizabeth Rachel
Father Alex  Mother May Lillian NILLSON
At Carlton  1909  Reg#1538
her marriage
WEEDON Edna Elizth Rachel
LINGHAM Alexander James
1928   Reg#6608
and her death
LINGHAM Edna Elizabeth
Father Weedon Alexand  Mother May  NILLSON
At Springvale  65 years  1974  Reg#27897

SCHROEDER Lovell Bruce
Father Alex  Mother May NILLSON
At Carlton 1910  Reg#25575

SCHROEDER Violet Mary
Father Alex  Mother May NELSON
At Carlton 1912  Reg#9915

SCHROEDER Irene May
Father Alex  Mother May NILLSEN
At Carlton  1914  Reg#1801

Another death of a child b. c1923

WEEDON John Stanley
Father Arthur Alexander  Mother: Lillian May
At Fitzroy  58 years  1981  Reg#22135

Did SCHROEDER family changed their name to WEEDON c1917?  I would say yes.

Cheers
Cando

Gladys's marriage certificate would have the full name of her mother ie her surname which would help you prove she was the daughter of Lillian May NILLSON/NELSON/NILLSEN 

Perhaps read the complete thread :)

Cheers
Cando