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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Wiltshire => Topic started by: Arranroots on Monday 21 March 05 09:50 GMT (UK)
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I have just started looking at these names, with some success back as far as 1871 census.
I wondered whether anyone else is researching the same?
Henry SALTER (b ?) married Mary Anne EATWELL (b 1832) in Sep 1852 in Calne and had children: Ann 1856, William 1858, John 1860 Henry 1865 and James 1872. All born Calne.
Fanny and William EATWELL are in Calne in 1871 - are these Mary's parents?
Henry SALTER's son Henry marries Mary Ann POWNEY (b 1867 Falkland Islands) in Sep 1889. Their children are Hubert S 1890, Mildred 1891, Ivan 1893, Roland H 1898 and Bernard 1900. Again all b Calne.
Would be interested to hear from you if you recognise any of these names, or can help with early censuses.
Thanks
Arranroots ;)
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1851 census Calne living in Cow Lane, I found Henry Salter 24 Ag. Lab. Bromham, Wilts.
He is living in the same household as
SALTER George 44 Drover & Ag. Lab. Bromhill*
Eliza 43 Bromham, Wilts.
Ralph 13 At Home Bromham, Wilts.
Jane 11 Scholar Bromham, Wilts.
William 9 Scholar Bromham, Wilts
*Bromhill is possibly Bremhill which is near Calne
I did not see a Mary Ann Eatwell who was of an age to be married a year later, the only one was aged 4! There was also a Mary Eatwell aged 9
Hope this helps in a small way
regards
Mary
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Thank you for that Mary! :)
I wonder whether Henry and George are brothers, or if George & Eliza are his parents?
I'm amazed that EATWELL is such a popular name! I don't suppose you saw Fanny & William at all? Haven't got around to looking for a birth for her yet.
This is a distant twig of my family, but intriguing none the less and I appreciate your help.
Thanks again,
Arranroots ;)
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Hi Arran...Cheryle.f here .Well George aged 24 and Henry aged 14 were not anywhere near Calne in the 1841 census . No Salter families to be seen and no Eatwell families either!!!! I've only looked at Calne itself mind you not on the outskirts yet. I'll keep you posted if i find anything. best wishes cheryle.f
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Hi Cheryl.f!
Thank you also for your time. Much appreciated. :)
I wonder if they are in Bremhill or Bromham?
From Mary's info, I think George would be 34 (or a very young father!! LOL)
I'm off to look up some births...
Arranroots ;)
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Yes sorry Arran....just trying to see if you were paying attention!at this late hour. I can subtract 10 from 44 normally and come up with 34 but when you've been hunting for names that seem familiar to you for hours anything becomes possible.
I'll keep my eyes open anyway. Good Hunting! :) cheryle.f
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Hi Arran
Unfortunately, the 1851 census that I have seen is just a transcription and it doesn't give relationships and so cannot help you there.
As to the Eatwell name, it is very common in the area of Wiltshire in which you are looking, so Mary A could be from any of the contiguous parishes. She may not be with her parents either, as she could have been working away from home. Have you found her on a later census?
regards
Mary
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Hi Arran, me again!!
How about this - 1841 census Studley. Bremhill. (Which is near Calne)
George Salter, 35, ag lab. born in County
Eliza Salter 34, born in County
Henry Salter 14 born in County
Elizabeth Salter 12, born in County
Harriett Salter 11 born in County
Ralph Salter 3 born in County.
Looks as though George could be Henry's brother
I did look in Bromham which is where Henry said he was born, but there were no Salters there in 1841.
bye, Mary
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Mary, I am so impressed! :o Thank you very much.
I have been unable to save the census I found for Mary Anne Eatwell, but I have her on all of them from 1871 if I remember correctly.
At different dates she has lodgers:
1881: a Fanny Eatwell b 1814 Monkton and
1871: an Elizabeth Eatwell b 1795 Tytherton (?)
living with her. No relationship is given, but I am surmising that they are elderly relatives and possibly one is her mother. Fanny is with husband William in Calne in 1871.
The ages of the Henry & George SALTER you have in 1841 is proportionate to those in 1851. Could they not be father and son?
Thanks again
Arranroots ;)
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Hi Arran
sorry yes could be father and son, my maths seems to be up the creek!! I was thinking there was only ten years between them and not the 20/21. I'd better go back to school! :-[
Had look on the BVRI for any Mary Ann Eatwells , christened in the Calne area. There was only this one christened in Calne, but she seems unlikely as she isn't old enough to marry in 1852, unless of course the baptism was an adult one
EATWELL, Mary Anne Christening
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 1 Sep 1844 Recorded in: Calne, Wiltshire, England
Father: William Eatwell
Mother: Maria
There was this one, in Cherhill, which is another parish contiguous with Calne but the
EATWELL, Mary Anne Christening
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 29 Sep 1833 Recorded in: Cherhill, Wiltshire, England
Father: Benjamin EATWELL
Mother: Mary
good luck
Mary
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Thanks Mary :D
I had a look at the IGI (with all due caution!) and found a Mary Eatwell, parents Elizabeth and Thomas. Elizabeth lodging with MA from 1881 census could just about be this one?
Also found a William, son of Thomas and Elizabeth EATWELL bap Calne 25 June 1826 which amatches nicely with the one on the 1871 census. Can't find him marrying a Fanny though. This would make Fanny MA's sister in law.
Major leaps of faith involved here! Really appreciate your time.
Arranroots ;)
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My grandfather was Harold Roland, son of Henry Salter and Mary Anne Powney.
Mary Anne was born 30 August 1866 in Falkland Islands, but birth was not registered until 1867, I think, on her return to Wiltshire. She died 12 January 1954, in Bristol I believe.
Henry Salter married Mary Anne in the Calne parish church on 2 July 1889. Mary was 22 and Henry 24.
Their children were -
Mildred b 1891
Ivan 1893
Bernard (b?)
Marjorie (b?)
Harold Roland b 1898
Margaret Amy (b?)
Rene (b? - but was the youngest) aka Katie
Hubert is unknown to me, although I have heard there was another son who died young.
Mildred and Margaret both emigrated to USA, and Margaret's children, Sylvia and Mary live there, so I could check further details.
Hope this helps.
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Hi Hoppingmad
Welcome to Rootschat!
It sounds as though you are much better informed than me! I was researching this branch for my aunt and haven't looked at it for ages - must have another go and see where I get to.
I'm interested that you think the birth was registered in the UK rather than the Falklands - wasn't fancying my chances of a look-up there & haven't got good sea-legs, so not planning to go and find out myself!
Will return to this in the morning. I hope you will find things on Rootschat to help you with your research also.
Kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Thank you Arranroots, please keep in touch. I shall try to find more detail from the extended family.
There is a legend (?) that Henry Felix Powney, Mary's father, having returned from the Americas via the Canary Islands, on SS Great Britain, (presumably about 1867) dumped all the family at Henry's sister's houses at Bremhill.
My mother, who spent some time as a child with her grandmother, said that when Mary was upset, she would lapse into Spanish. There is also a tale that the family house (quite large I understand) at Bremhill passed to the Spanish (Canary Is ?) branch of the family while the Salters were in the Americas after foundering at Falkland Is., as they were assumed to be lost.
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Hi
I can give you a little info on The Powney’s if it will help you in your search
Henry Felix Powney m Eliza Sheveland in San Carlos, Falkland Islands in 1859
My husband who is the Great-Great Grandson of Henry recalls being told that Eliza was in fact Lady Eliza Sheveland – although this has never been proven.
They had the following Children
Sarah Powney b 1863
John Henry Powney b 1864
Mary Ann Powney b 1866
(Eliza) Alice Elizabeth Powney b 2nd Sept 1868 (ironic as tomorrow’s date is 2nd Sept)
James Sheveland Powney b 2nd Sept 1868
Now Eliza passed away in 1868 and it is my belief that she died when she gave birth to the twins.
I notice that hoppingmad has filled you in on several bits and pieces – I too believe that Henry abandoned his family – he died in 1914 aged 75 – Q2 Apr – May – June District Bristol – 6a 36.
The family can be seen on the 1881 Census as living with their Aunt & Uncle Joseph & Elizabeth Ponting at Bremhill, Wiltshire. RG11/2035.
Hope that any info will be of a help to you.
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Hello Donna
Welcome to Rootschat!
Thank you so much for the information! I am amazed to have so much luck in such a short space of time.
I will have to get this new information sorted and pass it along to my aunt. I still find the whole Falklands thing mind-boggling (especially as I don't sail at all well!)
I wonder why Henry parted with his family? Maybe he couldn't cope with a settled life after his adventures.
I little knew when i visited the Great Britain on her return to Bristol that there was a kind of family connection with the ship. I will have to dig into that too!
I hope you enjoy Rootschat and that we can help you in return.
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
p.s. Happy Birthday for tomorrow Eliza and James :)
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Thank you donnawales it seems to make sense from the family 'legends'.
Shall look at the indexes you provided.
Keep in touch.
Chris at hopping mad.
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Hi, I have just found this link re the Powney family.
My maternal Grandmother was the daughter of Eliza Powney born 2nd Sept 1868 in San Carlos Falkland Islands. I have her birth certificate and her twin James, I also have the marriage certificate for Henry Felix Powney and Eliza Shevland.
Recently I obtained the death certificate for Eliza born 1868, it shows she was still in close contact to her father Henry Felix Powney as he registered her death in in Oct 1907 in Bristol, so he must have had some sort of care towards her then.
My Nan was born in Foxham near Calne in 1902, she did say something about some sort of Spanish roots but was this to do with the Falklands and Argentina?
Anyway I would love to hear from any other Powney connections.
p.s I also have the death certificate for Eliza(nee Shevland) Powney showing she died on Sept 2 1868 on the day the twins were born.Bye for now Mattknow.
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I am in possession of documents: 1. 1889 Marriage Solemnization of Henry Salter to Mary Anne Powney Dated July 2 1889 in the Parish Church of Calne, County of Wiltshire.
Willing to chat re. Margaret Amy (nee)Salter Abey. Mother of Mary and Sylvia, now living in the U.S.
Margaret was youngest sister of Harold Roland Salter.
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Apologies, The Second document is Birth Certificate: Falkland Islands 1866
30th Day of August 1866 Mary Ann Powney
Henry and Eliza Formerly Shevland,
Profession of Father: Gaucho
Arthur Bailey: Registrar Registered on 4 Sept. 1878 Certified as a True Copy Numbered 289 in the Register Book of Births.
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Hi Boatbuilder
Welcome to Rootschat! :)
Sadly, I lost all the records I had on the SALTER family tree when my computer crashed a while ago! Despite that I think I have some paper records and of course many of them are preserved here, thanks to the power of the interweb thingy.
I just love "occupation gaucho" - that's a first for me!
You have inspired me to have a go at reconstructing (and backing up!) the family - many thanks indeed for sharing.
Kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Gosh - just re-reading this and realise I didn't acknowledge Powney - welcome Powney and thanks for the information.
I guess you guys have more to talk about than just talking to me (I'm only distantly connected) - you must be cousins or something to each other!
I hope you all enjoy using the site.
I'm told that there is another researcher, Shann, who was in the chatroom but has yet to post on the boards - welcome Shann, I hope you find us here!
Kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Hello All,
I do not know if anyone is still looking at this thread. I am from the US and Harold Roland Salter was my great grandfather who married Elsie Taylor. Their son, Desmond Salter, was my grandfather and my mother is Margaret Salter, daughter to Desmond and Sheila King.
If there are any relatives, I would love to speak with you. Thanks
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Hi Danny and thanks for your reply. I don't have anything to add to this thread but hope some of your relatives are still around and reply.
Kind regards, Arranroots 😊
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Hi, I have just found this link re the Powney family.
My maternal Grandmother was the daughter of Eliza Powney born 2nd Sept 1868 in San Carlos Falkland Islands. I have her birth certificate and her twin James, I also have the marriage certificate for Henry Felix Powney and Eliza Shevland.
Recently I obtained the death certificate for Eliza born 1868, it shows she was still in close contact to her father Henry Felix Powney as he registered her death in in Oct 1907 in Bristol, so he must have had some sort of care towards her then.
My Nan was born in Foxham near Calne in 1902, she did say something about some sort of Spanish roots but was this to do with the Falklands and Argentina?
Anyway I would love to hear from any other Powney connections.
p.s I also have the death certificate for Eliza(nee Shevland) Powney showing she died on Sept 2 1868 on the day the twins were born.Bye for now Mattknow.
Hello Powney :-) I've got a load of info on the Falkland Islands stuff - my great grandmother was your nan's elder sister Edith born 1897 in Malmesbury. Happy to share it. I'm struggling with the Shevelands and Goldings. I did get some information about the family from Wiltshire archives as well if youre interested? cheers, Simon