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Title: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: Witherow on Tuesday 23 March 10 01:05 GMT (UK)
Trying to track down some information on the Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox and his wife Isabel, shown on 1911 census at Bricklieve, Sligo. Anyone know where his church was, where he was married or any other useful information. I believe his wife may be a missing daughter of a family I am trying to research. If so her maiden name would have been Witherow
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 23 March 10 07:36 GMT (UK)
Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox (lic. Route Presbytery 1888) was installed at Ballymote Presbyterian Church on 9 Oct.1888 and died 27 Oct.1923- Ballymote seems to have been his only charge.
He was aged 61 years when he died according to civil index so born c1862 (just before registration of births). Married Apr./June 1890 Londonderry registration district to Isabella Witherow.
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#c=1408347;p=collectionDetails

Seems to have been a son- Capt. W.H. Knox, Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers (Military Cross), Mentioned in Despatches, son of Rev. H. M. Knox, Ballymote
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~econnolly/roh/rohministersons.html
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: shanew147 on Tuesday 23 March 10 09:51 GMT (UK)
strangely there's a second crossmatch for the marriage, maybe one one in a church and a second in a registry office :

no 1:

 Name: Hugh Montgomery Knox
 Registration district: Londonderry
 quarter and year: Apr - Jun 1890
 Volume: 2 / Page: 165

 Name: Isabella Withrow   [same index details]

no. 2

 Name: Hugh Montgomery Knox
 Registration district: Londonderry
 Quarter and year: Apr - Jun 1890
 Volume: 2 / Page: 148

 Name: Isabella Witherow  [same index details]


Shane
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: Witherow on Tuesday 23 March 10 10:09 GMT (UK)
Many thanks Aghadowey and Shanew. Your help is much appreciated. It looks like I'm getting close to finding some living relatives within this family. If you are out there let me know I have a continuous tree going back to 1759 on this line.
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 23 March 10 16:31 GMT (UK)
You'd think with at least 7 children there'd be a chance of some descendants!
Here's a link to 1911 census entry in case anyone is interested-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Sligo/Bricklieve/Graniamore/752867/
Kathleen and Thomas both have Witherow as middle names (transcribed as Witherin).

Son Jocelyn's birth was registered as Jocelyn George Milling Knox and looks like he married July/Sept.1936 Dublin North registration district.
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: shanew147 on Tuesday 23 March 10 18:42 GMT (UK)
found details of the marriage for Jocelyn in Dublin...  but cannot find any children born in Ireland to the couple (up to 1958).

as the marriage relates to possibly living people, I will not go into details here. Let me know if you would like to know more and I'll pm you..



Shane
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 23 March 10 19:30 GMT (UK)
Thomas Witherow Knox listed in WWI Medal Cards Index.
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: shanew147 on Tuesday 23 March 10 19:37 GMT (UK)
some details on Jocelyn Knox's parents...

'...son of the late Rev. H.M. Knox, Ballymoate, Co. Sligo and Mrs Knox, "Lissadell", Finaghy, Belfast...'

does this fit the details you have for Isabel ?



Shane
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: Witherow on Tuesday 23 March 10 23:07 GMT (UK)
found details of the marriage for Jocelyn in Dublin...  but cannot find any children born in Ireland to the couple (up to 1958).

as the marriage relates to possibly living people, I will not go into details here. Let me know if you would like to know more and I'll pm you..
Shane

Many thanks Shane would appreciate a pm.
The details I have for his mother are that she is Isabella Witherow daughter of another clergyman the Rev. Thomas Witherow and that she was born in Maghera Co. Derry when he was a minister there. This fits well with the 1911 census details (apart from her name being abbreviated to Isabel) all the family's names with the exception of Jocelyn are also names from her line. Don't know where the Jocelyn came from. Her father wrote his autobiography in 1889 and in the postscripts to the autobiography (written after his death) it is mentioned that all but one of his daughters was still alive. It listed out all the husbands one being described as Mrs H.M. Knox. So I'm pretty excited to have found this line. Still working hard to tie down the rest of the daughters though. Got their brothers OK.
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: Witherow on Tuesday 23 March 10 23:40 GMT (UK)
Thomas Witherow Knox listed in WWI Medal Cards Index.

Many thanks Aghadowey
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: shanew147 on Wednesday 24 March 10 09:31 GMT (UK)
Hi Witherow .. have sent you a pm with the marriage details..

I wonder if Isabella named her house Lissadell in Belfast after the house of the same name in Co. Sligo where Constance Markievicz lived ?

p.s. a marriage cert using the references mentioned earlier should show her father's name which should help confirm your connection.


Shane
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: aghadowey on Wednesday 24 March 10 10:15 GMT (UK)
Wondering if the two 1890 marriage references have anything to do with spelling of Isabella's name. Although both references list 'Isabella Witherow' the index in Irish Genealogy database have 2 marriages listed for Hugh Montgomery Knox- Isabella Witherow and Isobella Witherow.

I had searched civil index for marriages, etc. of Rev. Knox's family but didn't find much- although if widow and some of the family moved to Belfast that could explain it as index only goes up to 1921 for N.I. counties.
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: shanew147 on Wednesday 24 March 10 10:20 GMT (UK)
Wondering if the two 1890 marriage references have anything to do with spelling of Isabella's name. Although both references list 'Isabella Witherow' the index in Irish Genealogy database have 2 marriages listed for Hugh Montgomery Knox- Isabella Witherow and Isobella Witherow.

...

I've seen that sometimes where a name is indexed under two alternate spellings.. but in the cases I've come across these both have the same index references


Shane
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: shanew147 on Wednesday 01 June 11 08:51 BST (UK)
Trying to track down some information on the Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox and his wife Isabel, shown on 1911 census at Bricklieve, Sligo. Anyone know where his church was, where he was married or any other useful information. I believe his wife may be a missing daughter of a family I am trying to research. If so her maiden name would have been Witherow

hi Witherow,

I have sent you a private message ..

A grandson of Rev. H. M. Knox based in Canada contacted me by email and would like to get in touch with you to share the details he has.



Shane
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: heywood on Saturday 19 November 11 09:47 GMT (UK)
Hello,

I am the moderator of this board and have received a message from a relative of Rev Hugh Montgomery Knox.
It may be the same person who contacted Shane in June this year.

It would be best to post on this thread to receive a response or exchange information.

After 3 posts, new posters can exchange personal messages with other posters.

regards
heywood

Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: TheTurfBurner on Wednesday 14 December 11 17:01 GMT (UK)
I'm a Grandson of the late Rev Knox by his second daughter, Janet Margaret born 1902. As I have little information on the family, I will be very interested in anything anybody may have.

Attached is a photograph of the Manse and Church outside Ballymote, taken by me in 1982.
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: Witherow on Wednesday 14 December 11 22:49 GMT (UK)
Hello there TurfBurner

Welcome to Rootschat

I'm delighted to hear from you, As you can see from this thread I have been tracing the descendants of various branches of the surname of Witherow for a good many years.
The Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox was married to Isabella Witherow, one of the daughters of the Rev. Thomas Witherow DD:LLD I have it that they had seven of a family Kathleen Witherow Knox, Janet Margaret Knox, W.H. Knox (sorry I only have initials for him), Thomas Witherow Knox, Leslie Steven Knox, Hugh Watt Knox and Jocelyn George Milling Knox.

On this branch of the Witherow tree I can take you back to 1759 and would be delighted to assist you in any way I can but as there are 172 people on this branch of your tree it would take a serious amount of typing to get it all on rootschat. Also we do not post details of living relatives on here but I can tell you that I have contact with some of your distant cousins in various parts of the world. Once you have posted three items to Rootschat I can personal message you to get an e-mail address for you and it will be easier to communicate more information to you.

What part of the world do you live in yourself are you still resident in Ireland or have your family moved farther afield?

Hope to hear from you soon,

Regards

Witherow
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: hallmark on Thursday 15 December 11 01:39 GMT (UK)
Royal Irish Rifles..Sept 1916 T W Knox is mentioned 


Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: aghadowey on Thursday 15 December 11 12:32 GMT (UK)
Royal Irish Rifles..Sept 1916 T W Knox is mentioned 


http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ig1/

clicking on the above link says I don't have permission to view the document  :-\
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: hallmark on Thursday 15 December 11 14:45 GMT (UK)
clicked the link and it works for me.. also the plain HTML version works too.
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: hallmark on Thursday 15 December 11 14:58 GMT (UK)
If one just Googles "Witherow Knox" there is stuff to be found
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: TheTurfBurner on Thursday 15 December 11 16:45 GMT (UK)
Hello there TurfBurner

Welcome to Rootschat

I'm delighted to hear from you, As you can see from this thread I have been tracing the descendants of various branches of the surname of Witherow for a good many years.
The Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox was married to Isabella Witherow, one of the daughters of the Rev. Thomas Witherow DD:LLD I have it that they had seven of a family Kathleen Witherow Knox, Janet Margaret Knox, W.H. Knox (sorry I only have initials for him), Thomas Witherow Knox, Leslie Steven Knox, Hugh Watt Knox and Jocelyn George Milling Knox.

On this branch of the Witherow tree I can take you back to 1759 and would be delighted to assist you in any way I can but as there are 172 people on this branch of your tree it would take a serious amount of typing to get it all on rootschat. Also we do not post details of living relatives on here but I can tell you that I have contact with some of your distant cousins in various parts of the world. Once you have posted three items to Rootschat I can personal message you to get an e-mail address for you and it will be easier to communicate more information to you.

What part of the world do you live in yourself are you still resident in Ireland or have your family moved farther afield?

Hope to hear from you soon,

Regards

Witherow

Hello Witherow

Good to hear from you - it was pure chance I came upon this site and the family information. With nothing to do yesterday afternoon I tried to find information on the Ballymote church - without success - so input Hugh M Knox and this came up! Talk about knocked down with a feather. Gob totally smacked.

Have you seen a copy of the 1911 Census? Rev Hugh states he has 7 living children, but only 6 are listed. Was there an elder son or daughter who had left by 1911? Also, I have been unable to trace an entry in the Irish 1901 Census. This seems strange as Rev Hugh was in Ballymote then and, as far as I know, never moved. Have you traced anything for 1901?

I suspect W H Knox and H W Knox may be one and the same. Hugh Watt Knox was always known as Watt and is the only one of the male children of the Rev Hugh I remember. Leslie and Jocelyn both died in the 1950s and Thomas I never met and was never mentioned by my mother.

I have some more information and pictures, but will keep that for the third message. Will be fascinated to know who has been in touch from overseas - not seen any of my cousins since the 1950s!

By the way, I lived in Northern Ireland for my first 50 years, but have been resident in Scotland since 2003.

Best regards.

Jonathan Allen (The Turf Burner)
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: TheTurfBurner on Thursday 15 December 11 20:28 GMT (UK)
found details of the marriage for Jocelyn in Dublin...  but cannot find any children born in Ireland to the couple (up to 1958).

as the marriage relates to possibly living people, I will not go into details here. Let me know if you would like to know more and I'll pm you..



Shane

That may be because both Jocelyn and Leslie spend some time out of Ireland and the UK - I recall my late mother saying one (cannot remember which) was for a time a tea planter in India while the other (and possibly both) spent some years in Canada. Both Leslie and Jocelyn had returned to Northern Ireland by 1952, where they died in the 1950s.
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: aghadowey on Thursday 15 December 11 21:39 GMT (UK)
Looks like Leslie Knox was the tea planter (See www.findmypast.co.uk for full details)
1927 Leslie KNOX age 22 Liverpool to Colombo, Ceylon
1932 Leslie KNOX age 28 Liverpool to Colombo, Ceylon
1937 Leslie KNOX age 33 Liverpool to Cochin, India
1937 Leslie KNOX age 32 Liverpool to Colombo, Ceylon

Also 7 Nov.1936 "Derbyshire" arrived London (embarked at Conchin): Leslie Steven KNOX, age 32, tea planter; wife Annie Elizabeth KNOX, age 30; son, age 1 1/2 (name not posted as we might still be alive). Going to: Lissadell, Grangerville Gardens, Finaghy, Belfast.

28 June 1937 "Amarapoora" arrived London from Rangoon: Leslie Steven KNOX, 32, tea planter; Annie Elizabeth KNOX, 31; son (same as above), 1 11/12. Going to same Belfast address.

21 Mar.1946 "Mantola" arrived Bristol, England from Bombay, India: Leslie Steven KNOX, 41, tea planter; Annie Elizabeth KNOX, 39; son, 10 (same as above); daughter, 6. Going to 1 Lynda Park, Jordanstown, Co. Antrim, N. Ireland. Not sure where this address is- I know Lynda Ave. in Jordanstown (will be there tomorrow) but not sure about a Lynda Park.
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: TheTurfBurner on Friday 16 December 11 11:32 GMT (UK)
My mother gives her address as "Jordanstown" in her Marriage Certificate (1946), so it is likely he was going to stay with her.
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: aghadowey on Friday 16 December 11 16:09 GMT (UK)
That makes sense. (I'm just back from Jordanstown a few minutes ago)
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: TheTurfBurner on Friday 16 December 11 16:38 GMT (UK)
Looks like Leslie Knox was the tea planter (See www.findmypast.co.uk for full details)
1927 Leslie KNOX age 22 Liverpool to Colombo, Ceylon
1932 Leslie KNOX age 28 Liverpool to Colombo, Ceylon
1937 Leslie KNOX age 33 Liverpool to Cochin, India
1937 Leslie KNOX age 32 Liverpool to Colombo, Ceylon

Also 7 Nov.1936 "Derbyshire" arrived London (embarked at Conchin): Leslie Steven KNOX, age 32, tea planter; wife Annie Elizabeth KNOX, age 30; son, age 1 1/2 (name not posted as we might still be alive). Going to: Lissadell, Grangerville Gardens, Finaghy, Belfast.

28 June 1937 "Amarapoora" arrived London from Rangoon: Leslie Steven KNOX, 32, tea planter; Annie Elizabeth KNOX, 31; son (same as above), 1 11/12. Going to same Belfast address.

21 Mar.1946 "Mantola" arrived Bristol, England from Bombay, India: Leslie Steven KNOX, 41, tea planter; Annie Elizabeth KNOX, 39; son, 10 (same as above); daughter, 6. Going to 1 Lynda Park, Jordanstown, Co. Antrim, N. Ireland. Not sure where this address is- I know Lynda Ave. in Jordanstown (will be there tomorrow) but not sure about a Lynda Park.


Can I ask you to do me a very big favour - can you see if there is any record of a Thomas Witherow Knox (born about 1897) leaving Ireland for Canada? He very probably left from Liverpool rather than direct. It would have been after 1918 as I know he served in the war. There is an odd aunt I recall, but not who she was married to. Many thanks.
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: TheTurfBurner on Friday 16 December 11 16:42 GMT (UK)
That makes sense. (I'm just back from Jordanstown a few minutes ago)

She remembered a bomb dropping in Whiteabbey on the night of the Belfast blitz - 4-5 May 1941. She certainly talked about Jordanstown, but not (as far as I can recall) living in Finaghy.
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: aghadowey on Friday 16 December 11 17:08 GMT (UK)
The closest I can see is a Thos. Knox, age 27, going from Liverpool, England to St. Johns, N.B. in 1925 but not sure if it is Thomas Witherow Knox.

Thomas Witherow Knox was 2nd Lt. In Royal Irish Rifles.
http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/29755/pages/9122/page.pdf
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: TheTurfBurner on Friday 16 December 11 17:15 GMT (UK)
The closest I can see is a Thos. Knox, age 27, going from Liverpool, England to St. Johns, N.B. in 1925 but not sure if it is Thomas Witherow Knox.

Thomas Witherow Knox was 2nd Lt. In Royal Irish Rifles.
http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/29755/pages/9122/page.pdf

Could well be and would explain a lot, as this "odd aunt" spent most of her life in Canada but did visit Ireland from time to time, even staying with us in Lisburn once (after a 13 hour flight Toronto - Aldergrove on an Eagle Air Bristol Brittania!) She was a hardy old duck.
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: newmark401 on Thursday 26 January 12 20:56 GMT (UK)
Hello,

There is a lot of information on the Knox family in the following book, which is free to read online:

http://www.archive.org/stream/genealogicalmemo00byuroge#page/n9/mode/2up
--

It's also easy to search for and find the following work online: "A genealogical and heraldic history of the landed gentry of Great Britain and Ireland". It has lots of Knoxes in it, too.

Mark
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: lk134green on Sunday 02 March 14 03:03 GMT (UK)
I hope this is still an active thread because I'm so delighted to stumble upon this information.  My grandfather was Leslie Steven Knox (b.1904).  He married Annie Elizabeth Tong (b.1906).  They went to India as tea planters, I thought in partnership with a Knox brother. 
My father, Kevin Tong Knox, was born in Ireland in 1935 and spent his early years in Travancore, India.  He had a younger sister, Moira.  The family returned to Ireland in 1946.
My father, Kevin, emigrated to Toronto, Canada in the early 1950s.  His family joined him after he was established.  Leslie Knox developed cancer soon after arriving in Canada and died in 1957. His wife passed away in 1978.  Kevin and Moira passed away in 1996 and 2010 respectively in Canada.
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: lk134green on Sunday 02 March 14 18:16 GMT (UK)
I have a couple of photos I'd love some assistance with.  I think the boy is Leslie Knox's son, Kevin, but I'm not convinced the girl is his sister, Moira.  I have no idea who the two adults are.  If anyone can identify them or confirm the location, I'd be delighted. I'm guessing Ireland.
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: Witherow on Sunday 02 March 14 20:40 GMT (UK)
Hello there lk134 green

welcome to rootschat.

I was aware of your Grandfather, Leslie Steven Knox and that he had married an Ann Elizabeth but did not know her surname. Leslie Steven's father was the Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox a Presbyterian minister who's church was in Ballymote, County Sligo. Ireland. My line of research has been mainly on the family of the Rev. Knox's wifes family. I know nothing about the Knox family prior to the Rev. Knox.
Rev. Knox and his wife Isabella Witherow had 7 children.
William Herbert Knox
Kathleen Witherow Knox
Thomas Witherow Knox
Hugh Watt Knox
Janet Margaret Knox
Leslie Steven Knox
Jocelyn George Milling Knox.
I can take you back a further 4 generations from Isabella Witherow.

feel free to personal message me for any further information you want. It may be a day or two before I get a chance to get the information for you as I'm a bit busy workwise at the moment.

Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: TheTurfBurner on Tuesday 04 March 14 11:45 GMT (UK)
Greetings to another long-lost Canadian cousin.

The two adults are my parents, Joseph Millar Allen and Janet Allen, nee Knox and daughter of the Rev Hugh. I suspect the photograph is taken at our home, 36 Antrim Road, Lisburn, Co Antrim (NI), which we left in 1973 and was demolished towards the end of 2013. The girl looks like Mary Dorman, daughter of my father' sister who lived then in Armagh.

Contact me direct and I'll provide more information.
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: twolastnames on Tuesday 17 February 15 23:07 GMT (UK)
Great Post !
I hope I'm not hijacking this post.I am trying to find out the siblings of Hugh Montgomery Knox, I believe his sister was Jessie Gardner Knox who married Richard Kerr-Taylor but I haven't had any luck, I visited the church and house that Turfburner posted, I couldn't believe when I seen the picture and ended up talking to a wonderful lady named Edith over a cup of tea in the house, I'm pretty sure she told me that Hughes sister came to live with him in the house to help out with the everyday chores. The church is where my gggrandparents went.
Any ideas would be appreciated
thx
twolastnames
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 17 February 15 23:34 GMT (UK)
Jessie G. Knox married 1891 Ballymoney registration district to Robert Kerr Taylor. She was born 15 Dec. 1868.
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Sligo/Lakeview/Cleavry/1683298
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Sligo/Lakeview/Cleavry/755397

William Knox married (1849) Jane Watt- baptism records probably needed to find children born 1849-1863 (before start of birth registration).
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGFL-N8C
- Robert (1865) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPWQ-9F8
- Jessie (1868) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPDQ-19K
- Mary (1870) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPFG-8QY
- George Trevors McCartney (1875) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGZC-HJ4
     Knox George Travers McCartney of Ballycraigagh Stranocum county Antrim and Cranagh Park Portstewart Road Coleraine county Londonderry retired farmer died 27 December 1945 at Ratheane Cottage Hospital Coleraine Probate Belfast 15 May to Sarah Knox the widow. Effects £2794 10s. 11d.

Possibly related?
     Knox James of Ballycraigagh Stranocum county Antrim farmer died 18 October 1943 Probate Belfast 3 April to James Kirkpatrick farmer and Robert Moore Kirkpatrick medical doctor. Effects £602 15s.
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: twolastnames on Thursday 19 February 15 01:42 GMT (UK)
Thanks Aghadowey  :)
I appreciate the info, I was missing a couple pieces that you indicated. I guess thats why I cannot find info on Hugh because he was born in 1862,maybe i'll try and get a copy of Hughes death certificate to see if his father or mother are listed.
thanks
twolastnames
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: aghadowey on Thursday 19 February 15 08:57 GMT (UK)
He died in Ireland? Irish death certificates do not list parents or, for that period, exact date of birth.

See here for details on Irish death certificates-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=433043.0
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: twolastnames on Thursday 19 February 15 12:52 GMT (UK)
Thx Aghadowey
I didn't realize that, I guess I'll just keep looking,might get lucky down the road
Twolastnames
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: Kimmycat on Friday 01 September 17 21:16 BST (UK)
You'd think with at least 7 children there'd be a chance of some descendants!
Here's a link to 1911 census entry in case anyone is interested-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Sligo/Bricklieve/Graniamore/752867/
Kathleen and Thomas both have Witherow as middle names (transcribed as Witherin).

Son Jocelyn's birth was registered as Jocelyn George Milling Knox and looks like he married July/Sept.1936 Dublin North registration district.

 
I am a descendant. Jocelyn was my great uncle. I saw his son Denis recently over from Canada.  My grandmother was Kathleen Witherow Knox who died around 1976.  I am in fairly regular touch with my Knox cousins - Brian and his wife Eileen died quite recently and I went to the funeral - of Eileen. My mother is Joceline Isobel Morrison - her mother was a Knox, Kathleen. All my grandmother's brothers had died when I was born in 1958. Only Auntie Janet was still alive, Kathleen's sister. I'll read a few more posts here.

Christine
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: Kimmycat on Friday 01 September 17 21:32 BST (UK)
Wondering if the two 1890 marriage references have anything to do with spelling of Isabella's name. Although both references list 'Isabella Witherow' the index in Irish Genealogy database have 2 marriages listed for Hugh Montgomery Knox- Isabella Witherow and Isobella Witherow.

...

I've seen that sometimes where a name is indexed under two alternate spellings.. but in the cases I've come across these both have the same index references


Shane

I think it is misspelt by whoever wrote the records.  My mother (a Witherow by descent) is Joceline Isobel and I can't tell you how many discussions we've had about the spelling of her name. Jocelyn is the masculine spelling and Joceline the feminine and Isobel can be spelt either way so whoever read the records and typed them up might have not known if it was an o or an a   ...
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: Kimmycat on Friday 01 September 17 21:34 BST (UK)
You'd think with at least 7 children there'd be a chance of some descendants!
Here's a link to 1911 census entry in case anyone is interested-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Sligo/Bricklieve/Graniamore/752867/
Kathleen and Thomas both have Witherow as middle names (transcribed as Witherin).

Son Jocelyn's birth was registered as Jocelyn George Milling Knox and looks like he married July/Sept.1936 Dublin North registration district.

I am a descendent. My grandmother was Kathleen Witherow Knox born in Sligo and she outlived all her brothers. Only her sister Janet was alive when I was a child.  Joyclyn was married twice as sadly he was widowed.
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: Kimmycat on Wednesday 06 December 17 18:04 GMT (UK)
Hello there lk134 green

welcome to rootschat.

I was aware of your Grandfather, Leslie Steven Knox and that he had married an Ann Elizabeth but did not know her surname. Leslie Steven's father was the Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox a Presbyterian minister who's church was in Ballymote, County Sligo. Ireland. My line of research has been mainly on the family of the Rev. Knox's wifes family. I know nothing about the Knox family prior to the Rev. Knox.
Rev. Knox and his wife Isabella Witherow had 7 children.
William Herbert Knox
Kathleen Witherow Knox
Thomas Witherow Knox
Hugh Watt Knox
Janet Margaret Knox
Leslie Steven Knox
Jocelyn George Milling Knox.
I can take you back a further 4 generations from Isabella Witherow.

feel free to personal message me for any further information you want. It may be a day or two before I get a chance to get the information for you as I'm a bit busy workwise at the moment.
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: Kimmycat on Wednesday 06 December 17 18:05 GMT (UK)
Hello there lk134 green

welcome to

Hi, I have no idea how to use this. My grandmother was Kathleen Knox

I was aware of your Grandfather, Leslie Steven Knox and that he had married an Ann Elizabeth but did not know her surname. Leslie Steven's father was the Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox a Presbyterian minister who's church was in Ballymote, County Sligo. Ireland. My line of research has been mainly on the family of the Rev. Knox's wifes family. I know nothing about the Knox family prior to the Rev. Knox.
Rev. Knox and his wife Isabella Witherow had 7 children.
William Herbert Knox
Kathleen Witherow Knox
Thomas Witherow Knox
Hugh Watt Knox
Janet Margaret Knox
Leslie Steven Knox
Jocelyn George Milling Knox.
I can take you back a further 4 generations from Isabella Witherow.

feel free to personal message me for any further information you want. It may be a day or two before I get a chance to get the information for you as I'm a bit busy workwise at the moment.
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: Kimmycat on Wednesday 06 December 17 18:13 GMT (UK)
Some of the family lived in Finaghy. It may have been Janet. I had a conversation yesterday as I am trying to find the two houses were I understood my two great grandmothers (Knox and Morrison) used to live in around 1940. In Whitehouse Park. During my conversation with a historian she told me about Janet and Lesley at Lynda Park and also mentioned Finaghy. Mum told me something about Finaghy too as I briefly lived there. I am Christine, daughter of Joceline and second cousin of you, Jonathan - I assume it’s you. I’ve not seen you since I was a child.
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: Kimmycat on Wednesday 06 December 17 18:16 GMT (UK)
Lesley returned from India and stayed with Janet in Lynda Park in Jordanstown. They ran an electrical business together. I think about 1945.
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: Simon Brown on Saturday 28 July 18 14:43 BST (UK)
I have a marriage certificate for my grandfather Thomas Witherow Knox who was 32 in 1929 and the son of Hugh Montgomery Knox. Hugh's profession is listed as Religious and what I presume is Minister. At that time Thomas was living in what may be Timperley, but very hard to read. Does anyone know where Thomas may have been born or where Hugh would have been living in 1897?
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: heywood on Saturday 28 July 18 15:03 BST (UK)
Hello Simon and welcome  :)

Thomas is shown in 1911 census linked here

You'd think with at least 7 children there'd be a chance of some descendants!
Here's a link to 1911 census entry in case anyone is interested-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Sligo/Bricklieve/Graniamore/752867/
Kathleen and Thomas both have Witherow as middle names (transcribed as Witherin).

Son Jocelyn's birth was registered as Jocelyn George Milling Knox and looks like he married July/Sept.1936 Dublin North registration district.

Here it is again

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Sligo/Bricklieve/Graniamore/752867/

Heywood
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: heywood on Saturday 28 July 18 15:16 BST (UK)
Sorry - forgot to post Thomas’ birth

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1896/02161/1819216.pdf
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: Simon Brown on Saturday 28 July 18 16:07 BST (UK)
Thank you that is very helpful. If it helps Thomas' marriage certificate states Thomas married Marjory Lewtas in 1929 when Thomas was 32 and suggests they were living near Manchester in Timperley? (very hard to read). They went on to have a daughter, Patricia Ann Knox (My mother) who married Micheal Brown and a son Peter Knox, who became Financial Director of Youngs Brewery. Both died recently.
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: heywood on Saturday 28 July 18 16:32 BST (UK)
Cheshire BMD http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk shows the marriage index

St Alban,  Broadheath  1929


You might want to check through this thread too for your relatives

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=702235.msg6540827#msg6540827
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: TheTurfBurner on Thursday 05 October 23 20:09 BST (UK)
No posts for some time but, if anybody is still tracking this, please note the Rev Hugh Montgomery Knox died 100 years ago on 27 October 1923.
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Friday 06 October 23 15:45 BST (UK)
....please note the Rev Hugh Montgomery Knox died 100 years ago on 27 October 1923.

Link-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1923/05045/4381024.pdf

Died at Graniroe [sic].
https://www.townlands.ie/sligo/corran/toomour/bricklieve/graniaroe/

The informant his son Leslie S Knox.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4244200#map=13/54.0842/-8.4626


Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Friday 06 October 23 17:50 BST (UK)

From the CIGO Guide to Irish Calendars of Wills and Administrations 1924.

Administration of the Estate of Hugh Montgomery Knox....

Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Friday 06 October 23 19:29 BST (UK)

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….by his second daughter, Janet Margaret born 1902.

Jane Margaret Elizabeth Knox (MMN transcribed as Witheron) born 23 May 1901 at Drumcormack [sic]. The informant a Mary Bohan, midwife.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1901/01954/1754500.pdf

Drumcormick townland
https://www.townlands.ie/sligo/corran/kilmorgan/bricklieve/drumcormick/

https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4244197#map=12/54.0717/-8.4066


Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Friday 06 October 23 20:32 BST (UK)

FindaGrave - Rev Hugh Montgomery Knox
1862-1923

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/207564266/hugh-montgomery-knox


Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: TheTurfBurner on Saturday 07 October 23 08:42 BST (UK)
Thanks for all that information - most interesting and useful. One does wonder how a frugal "man of the cloth" came to have an estate of £655, which was a lot of money in those days!

I hope to submit a short memorial to the local Sligo weekly paper in commemoration of the centenary although, if used, I may never see it!
Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Saturday 07 October 23 17:21 BST (UK)


Graniamore Presbyterian Church, Graniamore, Ballymote, Co. Sligo.
https://www.buildingsofireland.ie/buildings-search/building/32403321/graniamore-presbyterian-church-graniamore-co-sligo

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….€15,000 for the Graniamore Presbyterian Church in Ballymote

https://www.oceanfm.ie/tag/graniamore-presbyterian-church-in-ballymote/


Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: LH on Sunday 08 October 23 11:42 BST (UK)
Hi Turf Burner. (Love the name)

According to the 1911 census this ‘man of the cloth’ and his wife had seven children to clothe, feed and school, so in that context, his estate wasn’t excessive.

I’m aware information such as his estate is freely available to search, but it begs the question - “How much personal information should be given in replies”. 
This issue was raised recently by other Rootschatters, unhappy at a lack of discretion.

Several members of my family were hurt by their private and personal information being put online by others, without considering the consequences.  Is this fair?

Regards
L



Title: Re: Rev. Hugh Montgomery Knox & Family (Sligo)
Post by: TheTurfBurner on Friday 27 October 23 16:52 BST (UK)
Today - 27 October - marks the centenary of the death of the Rev Knox in 1923. I will raise a small glass to him this evening and any other family members or interested parties are welcome to join me.