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Please can anyone help??
I have been trying to find my Irish ancestors for 6 years and I know its like looking for a needle in a haystack, but Im hoping someone somewhere may also have a William John Ryan in their tree.
I dont have alot of info to go on, but Im not going to give up just yet!
My great grandfather was William John Ryan born in Clare c1867 ( but I dont know which part of Clare)
The first record I found for him was on the 1891 census, he was married and living on St Hellier, Jersey. He was a gunner in the Royal Artillery.
I dont know if he enlisted whilst still living in Clare, or where to go to apply for his army records?
I have found a marriage, and that took place on Jersey in 1890 it states that his father was called John and he was a labourer.
They had 2 children whilst living in Jersey. John Henry born 1891 and Amelia Norah born 1892.( i have been told that in some families it was tradition to name the eldest son and daughter after the husbands parents?)
My grandmother was born in Sunderland in 1894 so I know they had left Jersey by then. But he is shown as a Gunner in Royal Artillery on her birth certificate
I cannot find them at all on any census return for 1901
By the 1911 census they were living in Southampton and William was no longer in the army. He died in 1914 before the war started.
If anyone is able to give me advice on where to start searching for my Irish ancestors or where to apply for his army records, it would be very much appreciated.
Thank you
Sarah
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If William was born on 1867 his birth is probably recorded in the Irish Civil BMD Index (http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#c=1408347;p=2;t=searchable) - although a few births did not get registered in the early years. There are a number of William Ryan births listed around the right time (middle names are not always listed). You might be able to narrow down the right one from the birth certs by comparing the fathers name & occupation on the marriage cert ...
Unfortunately there are no County Clare church records online at the moment, and Ryan is a very common surname in the Clare / Limerick area.
probably best posting on the Armed forces section about William's army records .. I believe that many of these are stored in the National Archives in London (Kew)
Shane
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Just to eliminate one of the 1867 William Ryans (from I.G.I.)-
William Ryan born 1 Nov.1867 Bridgetown, Co.Clare, son of George Ryan & Margaret Goggin (page 353 in civil register)
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from i g i .
william ryan 17 may 1867 co clare to john ryan and catherine bradshaw .
and searched by parents names
patrick ryan 15 march 1879 kimerick
bridget ryan 8 feb 1872 moroe limerick
from civil birth index
william ryan limerick reg dist (limerick and clare) born 1867 volume 5 page 447
this cert can be got from roscommon GRO for 4 euros you can order the other two siblings certs
at same time 8 euros .
i recomend you ask them to search (1) for other siblings births by parents names cost 2 euros
(2) search for parents marriage
theres a heritage center in corrofin co clare, goverment backed cost for full search average 250 euros
onthe chance that parents married in limerick , search , http:limerick.brsgenealogy.com/search.php its search free but pay for certs 5 euros each , you could search for siblings births here .
co clare and co limerick are beside each other and theres dispute over county boundrie ongoing over it
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army records i had quick look on ancestry couldnt see a match .
i use (google) richard moles who researchs in kew for about 45 sterling
hes very good found my gt gt gr dad who was in limerick militia and retired 1895
however be warned that only 40 percent of ww1 and pre ww1 records still exist , burnt in london blitz .
so its a gamble .
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I'd be a little bit cautious of any match without some other evidence - there are quite a number of John Ryan's in Co. Clare around the right time who could have a son named William - e.g. there are nearly 80 listed on Griffths (1855)
Shane
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i agree shanew , however for 4 euros this cert can be confirmed or eliminated .
when contacting roscommon GRO he can ask them to search by name date and fathers name
cost is 2 euros , search co clare first then maybe co limerick .
as co clare does not and will not have a searchable data base (because of corrofin heritage center ) what other option does he have .
i had hoped that when getting my gt gt gr dads army records there would have been next of kin -parents names on it , there wasnt only year of birth and district .
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It's definitely worth ordering the marriage cert to check... hopefully everything (name, location & occupation) will match up.
Given the frequency of both the Ryan surname, John as a firstname, and the number of William Ryan births registered around that time I'm just concerned that there is possibly several John Ryan's with sons named William... and it could be difficult to tell which is which...
Shane
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While the William referred to by another lister may indeed be yours,I can't see how ordering a cert can confirm this.You do not know the parish of origin or exact year of birth.The IFHF site at www.brsgenealogy.com lists 15 Williams with father named John in Limerick, and 22 in north Tipperary,within 5 years of 1867.Some are double counted-civil and parish records for same person-but there are still too many to confirm which one is yours.
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Thank you to you all for taking the time to reply to my posting.
I was hoping that if I could obtain his army records it may just have the address of where he was living at the time and maybe give me some more information on the family. I think I will take the advice and put a posting on the Armed forces section to see if anyone can point me in the right direction as to where I can apply for Williams army record
I do realise that finding my Irish ancestors will not be easy, but its something that I would love to be able to do.
Thank you all again
Sarah
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hi sarah all if any records will be in kew london they can be searched by the public you just pay for the photo copying , i paid to get the research done for me as flights travel BandB was way to expensive .
also
search english national archives online i got my gt gt gr dad army serial number from it theres a lot there
and you said you couldnt find them on english 1901 census , maybe they were visiting family in ireland and will be on irish 1901 census , a long shot i know
i wish you good luck in your research
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I AM SO HAPPY :) :) :)
Thank you to everyone, Guess what, Ive just found him!!!
I went onto the Armed forces board and started to read other posts. one of which was titled royal artillery records, on one of the replies someone had said that Find my past had released some army records.. as I had a few credits left I thought i would have a look and BINGO out of 4 records for 'William Ryan' I found my great grandfather's records.. Must be the luck of the Irish ;)
I know its definitely him as it shows his wife as Elizabeth Paul (who was my great grandmother) and their marriage on Jersey.
So now i know he came from Scariff and hopefully I will be able to find out more about my Irish ancestry.
A huge thank you to everyone
and it just goes to show that you should never give up!
kind regards
Sarah
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based on the birthplace of Scariff, then this is the most likely match for his birth on the irish Civil Index :
Name: William Ryan
Registration district: Scarriff
Record type: Birth
Year: 1865
Volume: 4 / Page: 507
(This birth does not seem to be listed on IGI.)
He is the only William Ryan born in that registration district close to 1867. See Ordering Certs from GRO Roscommon (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433040.0.html) His birth is just after civil registration started (1864), and if he was the first-born, and you are lucky twice... you might just find his parents marriage in the previous year when registration started.
Shane
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Hi Sarah,
I just signed up on RootsChat today and saw your name under Tippett. My name is Steve Tippett and I live in the U.S. I have traced my ancestry to a Thomas Tippett born in 1794. I believe he was born in Wales. He married a Katherine Mattingly from Kent, England.
I teach at Bradley University in Peoria, Illinois and I will be traveling to Dublin on a study abroad trip for the University later this month. I will return next year with more time and would like to ferry to Wales if indeed that is where my family comes from. Can you provide any assistance?
Gratefully,
Steve Tippett
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Hi Steve
Im sorry but I cant be of much help. The Tippetts in my tree all come from a small village inbetween Bath and Bristol. There is no connection to Kent or Wales.
However I did have a look on www.familysearch.org and I did find what I believe to be Katherines baptism, her father is shown as Harrison Mattingly ?, Apart from that I couldnt find anything else. Im sorry I couldnt be of any more help.
I hope you enjoy your trip to Dublin, I had a great time when I went there.
good luck with your search
Sarah
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http://www.cadier.talktalk.net/fam96.html
Hi Sarah. Here is some information that you may have already come across on the internet. It's regarding William Ryan. Unfortunately it hasn't got any information regarding his background but does have some on your great grandmother.
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Hi Stephen
thank you for taking the time to post the link, it was very kind of you.
Are you related to the Ryan family?
Sarah
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Hi Sarah.
Yes I am. Amelia Ryan is my great grandmother i believe.
My grandfather is Geraldo Donnarumma son of Carlo who was married to Amelia as far as I am aware from the web page I posted. It would be great to know if you had any information regarding William? As he would be my great great grandfather!
Many thanks,
Stephen.
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Hi Stephen
I guess that makes us cousins ( a few times removed) :)
My Grandmother was Amelia's younger sister Ellen.
I will send you a personal message regarding William and what I have found out recently
Sarah
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Hi Sarah,
You may have tracked down this information already.
From the Scarriff/Moynoe Baptism Records.
February 1865: "William Ryan of John Ryan & Mary Shaughnesy?" (Difficult to read Marys surname).
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634765#page/27/mode/1up
Regards,
Noel.
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Birth Cert 173
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03580/2319928.pdf
some siblings
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kez/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountshannon
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Thank you both for your messages, it was very kind of you to find the information.
I am trying to work out the name of the dwelling place on the civil records? I assume its somewhere close to Scarriff?
My next bit of detective work is to try and find the marriage of John Ryan and Mary Shaughnessy. So far i have not been able to find it or where they originate from.
thank you again
Sarah :)
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I would imagine the dwelling place is the townland of "Fossabeg" in the parish of Tomgraney. Its close the town of Scarriff.
http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/places/tomgraney.htm
Noel.
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The marriage would be before 1860
2 more children
Mary 6th July 1860
possible marriage in 1884 to Thomas Goldsmith
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1884/10920/5989599.pdf
Bridget 12 Jan 1863
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Thank you again :)
Yes I think you are correct that is Mary.
I have not come across these records before, a little research for me this evening.
Sarah