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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Dumfriesshire => Topic started by: Razzy on Wednesday 24 March 10 20:13 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
so far I have been able to trace my Grahams to Claygate.
Children were born in Thornithwaite, as well, the parish clerk made mention of a place called Jocks' Edge in Claygate.
I cannot find Jocks' Edge around Claygate. I have a feeling that Jocks' Edge might refer to the times of the Reivers.
Right now, I am trying to find where William Graham of Knottyholme and Agnes Armstrong were married so I can order another microfilm.
They started raising their family maybe with Francis, baptized in 1758.
So if anyone knows anything on both Jocks' Edge and Knottyholme, I would appreciate knowing.
The internet does not seem to have any information on either one.
Thanks,
Razzy
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If it's any help, Knottyholme has been variously spelt more recently as Knittyholm and Nittyholm, with a photos on http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/333404 and also http://www.langholmpicturearchive.com/
WalterC
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Thanks Walter,
it is alot of help. So it seems my Grahams were born and raised children from this house, or is this a picture of one house in the village?
Maybe the house is not that old (1760s').
Again, I am thinking in terms being from Canada where buildings do not have the same longevity as in Scotland.
To find more information on this William and Agnes Graham (nee Armstrong) originated, what would I order as my Canonbie microfilm that I ordered does not cover this marriage, just the baptisms of the children.
Razzy
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There is a Knottyholm and a Nittyholm just to cause confusion. Knottyholm is a farmstead.
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1176063
Howard.
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Hi Razzy,
There are quite a few IGI entries listed for births/baptisms in Canonbie using William Graham and Agnes Armstrong entered as parents. eg
Mary Graham christened 28 AUG 1763 Canonbie, Dumfries, Scotland
Ron
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Hi Ronbucks,
Yes and thanks. I believe I have all seven children from Francis in 1758, Thomas, Helen, Mary, Catherine, Agnes, and William in 1770, all in Canonbie parish.
What I do not know is where William and Agnes were married so I can continue my search :) !
Apparently William and Agnes were not married in Canonbie even though the baptism register says he is from Knottholme (NE of Canonbie).
Razzy
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Do you have the baptisms for all of their children? I'm thinking that perhaps one of them may mention where Agnes was from, so you could start your search for their marriage in her home parish.
Another thought .... have you checked Gretna marriages? http://www.achievements.co.uk/index.html (a lot to trawl through .... :-\)
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Hi Ruskie,
No I haven't checked Gretna marriages. I have found in the canonbie parish some marriages were 'rebuked' so that means they were married in Gretna and then the marriage had to be honoured but the church still wanted its' authority demonstrated.
Well the baptisms I found I wrote down if there are more than seven children I would not know where they were baptised. None mention where Agnes is from. The registrar just mentions where they are living in the parish at the time of the baptism.
Razzy
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Hi Ruskie,
No I haven't checked Gretna marriages. I have found in the canonbie parish some marriages were 'rebuked' so that means they were married in Gretna and then the marriage had to be honoured but the church still wanted its' authority demonstrated.
Well the baptisms I found I wrote down if there are more than seven children I would not know where they were baptised. None mention where Agnes is from. The registrar just mentions where they are living in the parish at the time of the baptism.
Razzy
Oh - shame there's nothing on the baptisms ...
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I did check your link (thanks) and I did not find a connection in Gretna Green.
I did see a FHL scotland site that mentioned a 1761 marriage to William Graham and Agnes Armstrong in Perth (spelling?) however the year was wrong as the clerk in the canonbie parish did not say the children born/baptised before the Perth marriage date were illegitamate in his records.
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I did check your link (thanks) and I did not find a connection in Gretna Green.
I did see a FHL scotland site that mentioned a 1761 marriage to William Graham and Agnes Armstrong in Perth (spelling?) however the year was wrong as the clerk in the canonbie parish did not say the children born/baptised before the Perth marriage date were illegitamate in his records.
Um, that marraige might still be worth checking out. Maybe William and Agnes didn't mention that they weren't married when they got the children baptised? That may also explain them running off and marrying in Perth rather than Canonbie? :-\ Of course it may be a completely different couple marrying in Perth ... :-\
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Hi Razzy,
The IGI if I remember also had a couple of marriages for a William Graham to bride surname Armstrong in Canonbie. Worth checking out as Agnes was possibly a name she just preffered.
Ron
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Hello,
I have my computer up and running again (finally), and would like to know if there have been any new information on this thread.
Also I am not sure what I can learn from whether Agnes just preferred the surname Armstrong. Whether she was a farm servant,
had no known father, parents died, or ?
Thanks,Razzy
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Hello, I need to bring this post up again as I need help to confirm my research and find the answers so I can carry further.
I have realized (since I am from across the pond) that in this area of Dumfrieshire the Jacobites and Coventers were duking it out with the possibility of church records being lost or destroyed(?).
Realizing Roots family living alot closer to this area than myself would be way more knowledgable as well as historians, genealogists, and there could be more new information that I am not aware of since my computer shut me down for six months.
Any help, please?
Razzy