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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Roxburghshire => Topic started by: sgrollitt on Thursday 25 March 10 15:13 GMT (UK)
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George Reid was born on 5 Oct 1811 in Jedburgh. His parents were John Reid, Gardener of Jedburgh and Anne Frater. George was the last of their three children born in Jedburgh - the first being born in 1804. John Reid would have therefore married Anne Frater about 1803/04, but I can find no record of their marriage.
Can any kind soul help out?
Thanks,
Simon
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Actually I'm guessing George Reid was born in Jedburgh. On the 1871 English census, he was 59, a provision dealer, and born in what looks like "Jalborough" or "Jabborough". The only similar place I can find is Jedburgh and I'm guessing the census taker misspelt Jedburgh as Jedborough
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Sorry,
Can't help out with the marriage. Had a look, but it's not unusual not to be able to get records from the period before 1855. Some marriages not registered /recorded, some records lost.
The IGI has 'extracted ' births for the 3 children - all born Jeburgh, Scotland
Margaret Reid b. 20 Jun 1804
John Reid ch. 02 Oct 1806
George Reid b. 05 Oct 1811.
Originals of these entries can be downloaded from the ppv site www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk for £1.20 each.
Regards, Steve
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Simon,
I googled George Reid Jedburgh 1811 and found my way here.
Im brand new on this forum and unfamiliar with its navigation and etiquette so forgive me if Iv'e gone about this the wrong way.
I recently started tracing my family tree and believe George is my 3rd great grandfather.
I reached the same conclusion as yourself re the 1871 census and then searched Scotlands People and saw the birth record showing John Reid and Anne Frater as parents. Thats where I hit a brick wall.
Any info you can supply would be gratefully received.
Please check out my tree on ancestry.co.uk.
Rgds
John
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John Reid born Jedburgh 1771.
Further to the above,
I have tracked down the death register entry for John Reid.
He died in 1857 at 14 Burnwynd Jedburgh. His age is recorded as 86, his proffesion as gardener, and as a widower. His parents are recorded as John Reid and Jeanie Turner. The witness is James Brown, grandson.
From scrutiny of the 1841 and 1851 census James is the son of Margaret Reid, now Brown, living at the above address.
From the age of death John was born in 1771. On the census he gave his place of birth as Jedburgh.
I have not been able to trace his birth or parents. One record I did rule out was a record for the birth of John Reid in 1776 in Cambusnethan to parents John Reid and Jannet Reid.
Can anyone help me past this wall?
Thanks
John
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Going back to that record for John Reid born 1776, am I being too hasty in ruling it out? The 1841 & 1851 census records John as born in Jedburgh. The birth record is for Cambusnethan, Muirhouse born the 5th June and baptised the 15th of July 1776. If the age at death is correct John should have have been born 1771 (could the birth registrar assumed the child was born the same year as the baptism?). From the death record Johns parents were John Reid and Jeanie Turner. The birth record has the parents as John Reid and Jannet Turner being their 5th child.
I can find no marriage record or siblings.
Still no trace on Anne Frater.
Any advice or help please.
Thanks
John
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Having trouble posting today so apologies if you get this twice. Jonno was Anne Frater born Jed as well?
If you are having trouble finding any of them in the OPRs then they were probably non conformists and pretty sure the Hawick Hub have some of the records. A large percentage of Jedburgh people used a different church to the Church of Scotland.
I saw your post on the BFHS forum of which I am a member. I also have Reids in the Jedburgh area but have never managed to get anything on them but I live in hope.
Barbara
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I don't know where Anne Frater was born. The family were part of the Congregational church. I have had a remote search completed by the heritage hub at Hawick which provided some background on John 1771 and George 1811 but took me no further. The BFHS has 31 Reid family trees on its files but they arent listed by forenames or d.o.b so I wouldnt know where to start.
Thanks
John
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Yes I see on the 1851 she had already died. I am at our archives in Old Gala House on thursday and if I get time will have a look in the trees. We are going to be working on them in the future to make them more user friendly as at the moment a Reid tree might only have one Reid in it. Have you checked on the Scottish national archives site where the Congregational church records are if they have survived.
Barbara
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I have had no results using the NRS site but have burned plenty of credits on the Scotlands People site.
Thanks
John
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If you go into the Scottish archives site and search the catalogue the reference you want is CH3/350 and there seem to be records now housed in the Borders.
http://www.nas.gov.uk/onlineCatalogue/
Barbara
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The researcher at Hawick checked records CH3/350/3 Parish of Jedburgh Associate Burgher Register of Baptisms, 1737-1839 which contained plenty of Reids but no obvious connections. She suggested that the Free Church records CH3/1469/1-6 may include relatives but they do not hold a copy, and I haven't been able to find these yet. I'm hoping that someone out there might have a family bible.
Thanks again
John
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The archives website says they start at 1878 so wouldn't help you much unfortunately.
Frustrating though isn't it.
Barbara
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There is or was a gravestone at Jedburgh Abbey. One side was badly flaked and only John --- 1857 aged -- could be read. However the back of the same stone read: George Turner late Baillie in Jedburgh. Janet Paterson his wife, Margaret, Elizabeth, Jean his daughters. John Reid husband of said Jean, George their infant son and their sons George and Andrew Reid. No dates or ages given.
This is from a transcription done about the 1950s.
M. Carter
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That looks promising! I only managed to look at 5 Reid trees today and none of them were from the Jed area.
Barbara
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Thanks to both,
The heritage hub supplied me with the transcription of the gravestone. Its a possible connection but not the only one they supplied me with.
Rgds
John
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I have found marriage and death records for Margaret (Johns Daughter). She was married to James Brown, Mason 16/07/1834 by the Rev Wm Nicol, Jedburgh.
She died 09/06/1882 at 10 Wellington Street, Wilton. She had children James and Ann.
I have been unable to find any trace of her brother John Reid born 11/05/1806.
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The possible grave for John 1771 at Jedburgh Abbey looks like it belongs to his maternal grandparents. George Turner late Baillie of Jedburgh and his wife Janet Patterson. No dates were given on their side of the stone but buried with them are their daughter Jean and her husband John Reid. Does anyone have any knowledge of George Turner? John Reid born 1746 parents were John Reid and probably Elizabeth Turnbull born around 1720. Any help or info appreciated.
John
John
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Checked out the newly released 1855 valuation roll on Scotland's People. John Reid owned his own home at 14 Burnwynd, Jedburgh. Not bad for an elderly gardener.
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I believe John Reid born 11 May 1806, Baptised 2 Oct 1806 in Jedburgh may of married 19 Jul 1835 to Isabella Bell in Wilton, Roxburgh... Had a child Agnes E Reid 10 Nov 1830 Hawick, Roxburgh.
James Brown that married Margaret Reid on 16 Jul 1834, his parents Thomas Brown and Mary Rutherford. James died 13 JUL 1856, 14 Burnwynd, Jedburgh, Roxburghshire
Ann Frater /Fratter died 25 Nov 1839 at Burnwynd, Jedburgh, Roxburghshire, aged 75 so that would make her birth at about 1776.
Their was a Ann Fraiter born in 1777 to a William Fraiter of Cavers (Possibly) the Above Ann
Even tho Margaret was born 20 Nov 1904 and John born 11 May 1806, they was both Baptist on the
2 Oct 1806.
Be happy to send you any records I have.
Christine
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Christine,
Thanks for the post.
I’m amazed at the information re Anne Frater’s death at Burnwynd. I have had no joy finding any record of her other than the baptism of the three children. I even paid a researcher at Heart of Hawick who found nothing. Anne is my 4x great grandmother.
I have considered the John Reid, Isabella Bell pairing but if I remember rightly his place of birth given on the census was Wilton.
Any records you have would be much appreciated.
K.R’s
John
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Your welcome and I have sent you a message. :)
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From given age of 75 at Annes death in 1839, she must have been born about 1864 (7 years older than her husband).
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Opps your right her birth should be abt 1764 not 1776 like I said above :) maths isnt that great at this time of the night.
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I was thinking that perhaps Ann was either married before John Reid or perhaps even had other Illeg children before John Reid... When she had these children with John she would of been 40 + of close to it. For back them it seems very late to be starting a family. (Just a Thought)
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Interesting as I am trying to locate an Ann (Possibly Anne Reid) from Roxburgh born around 1821-1825