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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Monaghan => Topic started by: Razzy on Friday 26 March 10 06:51 GMT (UK)
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I am tracing my family IRWIN.
Someone has found they came from Annaseene, Ballybay, County Monaghan.
I have ordered the FHL microfilm but I could not find my family.
Samuel Irwin was born on May 13th, 1828 he married in Canada in 1861. There he said his parents were John Irwin and Elizabeth HAMILTON.
In Canada he raised his family as Weslyan Methodists (maybe he followed his wifes' religion or it was his own)
I believe I found him arriving in New York in 1846 on the ship United Kingdom with two other Irwins Robert and Thomas.
A previous researcher had listed a Francis Irwin on IGI who seemed to have the same parents and was from the same place.
I saw on the 1846 Slaters Commercial directory that there was a John Irwin who was in the alcohol business on Market Street.
Would anyone have knowledge of this John Irwin and his wife Elizabeth Hamilton and their children?
Razzy
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There are 1851 townlands in Monaghan... no Annaseene!
Annaseeragh. Aghnaskea, Aghnaskew, Agheeshal, but there's no Annaseene to be seen!
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Hi, thanks for the help,
I guess I spelled it wrong.
Annanese - is that more correct?
I do not know if this is a typo, but I have come across-
Acres,
Balli Bay
Ballybay
Bellybay
Corlea, Castleblaney
Dungiven, Londenderry
for births and baptisms of children of John Irwin and u/k Hamilton (which in Samuel Irwins marriage is Elizabeth Hamilton).
Also, According to the information thrru IGI Elizabeth Hamiltons parents are Samuel and Elizabeth nee Harper.
I am not receiving a response to my email request from this person who did all the research. The email never came back to me, so I do not know if the email address is current.
Razzy
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Annaneese would be the spelling, wasn't sure what townland you were after. Harper has been well researched by others so maybe a Harper researcher might have more information.
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Annaneese townland is in Ballybay civil parish (Castleblayney Poor Law Union).
There are 5 townlands called Corlea in Co. Monaghan but none of them are in Ballybay Parish (or Castleblayney P.L.U.).
Dungiven, Co. Londonderry is not near Monaghan border.
I culdn't find any I.G.I. reference for this-
Also, According to the information thrru IGI Elizabeth Hamiltons parents are Samuel and Elizabeth nee Harper.
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Thanks for your help,
I had someone help me thru LDS and maybe they can go places I am not able to.
for John Irwin I have PID:M8Z6-LGD as well as PID: 2CY3-S1P
for 'x' Hamilton I have PID:273H-7JW
for 'X' Hamiltons parents I have
Samuel PID:KL1V-B7Y
Elizabeth Harper PID:KL1V-BC6
and I can go on. It appears that this family has had LDS Ordinances.
Maybe these are the ordinance numbers. Maybe ordinance numbers belong to a persons family tree chart or something else.
Razzy
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Sounds as though the LDS details you've been given are submitted records which may not be accurate- you need to verify it rather than just accepting it.
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I am wondering, since I could not find this couple John and Elizabeth nee Hamiltons marriage or christening of children when I ordered microfilm for Ballybay, what else might I do.
There was a John Irwin who was in the alcohol business in the 1846 Slaters Commercial Directory, there is a Weslyan Methodist church there (but there seems to be no microfilm for it), I am not receiving a reply yet from the person who has done this research before me, I am not always able to have the person who initially help to continue to do so, especially if this information is not on the general IGI information board to the general public.
what is the wise way to go about this?
How do I take advantage of the interest you are showing?
Razzy
PS I just saw your post.
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Which microfilm did you get? Ballybay 1st, Pres Mic/1P/171 Baptisms start 1834,..... Ballybay 2nd Pres Mic/1P/197 Bapts from 1813,..... Ballybay C of I Mic/1/150 Bapts from 1813/ Burials 1823 - 1983, Ballybay Methodist Ch only start 1877 Mic/1E/54.
Don't think Presby burials are on those films.
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Most Presbyterian churches didn't, and still don't, keep burial records.
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Yes, the C of England were the official record keepers.
Forgot to say there's an added problem in that Ballybay and Clontibret "swapped" townlands when the parishes were redrawn, so they could be in either! Bet you didn't want to know that! :-X
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I found my 'pink slips' on the microfilm
FHL# 1279239 item 17 Ballybay first presbyterian church register transcripts 1834-1984. I guess being weslyan methodist they would not be in a presbyterian church.
FHL #1279323 item 2 Register of christenings of Tullycorbet 1796-1831; 1833-1914
Second Ballybay Presbyterian church. Again I now know presbyterians and weslyan methodists are not the same.
Razzy
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Well I have a Methodist minister in my tree, his marriage, births/bapt of kids, their marriages and deaths all recorded in C of E (now C of I) records at various churches in Monaghan.
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Your Townland name is Annaneese, just outside Ballybay - My relatives live there
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3 of use have already verified the spelling and location of Annaneese :-\
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I am also researching the Erwin / Irwin name and I have many of the same family members identified as possible links
They are all in the Ballybay, Monaghan, Ireland vicinity - I am going to export all the names from familysearch.org in that area and map them all together
I have a John Erwin born 1860 - who was a colporteur - seller of Bibles - Methodist in religion. They lived in Ballymena at the end of their life - but lived in Boyle and Enniskillen as well. they had 13 children. Hugh, James, Elizabeth, Edward, Margaret, William, John, Samuel, Joseph, George and Thomas Alexander (the other two died at birth)
I am trying to establish if the Ballybay folks are Johns ancestors. They all moved to the USA or canada except for 2 - one died and the other went to Scotland
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As I said one of mine was a Methodist minister so I wouldn't rule out looking at local C of E/I registers as they were the official keepers of B.D.M's in the area.
The births for his children were in the local C of E/I even when he was in Lisburn when some were born.
If you are putting the names together from familysearch then make sure you note which ones were submitted and which are transcribed! Submitted ones can be extremely "inaccurate".
You've John and you name kids but not his wife... you'd need wife's name in order to look for marriage like;
1881 John Irwin, son of ? Irwin of wherever married ? ?, dau of ? ? of wherever
OR
Birth ? ? 1882 Hugh son of John and ? Irwin of ? etc
Then you could look for siblings of John son of ? Irwin of wherever...
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I have run aground on the family search on this particular group - I was hoping to build out another part of the puzzle to give me more things to try to piece together rather than one thread. I can't find the marriage so I cannot confirm the parents....
I forgot to mention the wife was Jane Rainey
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The only Jane Rainey I have is a baptism on 19th Oct 1845 Jane dau, John + Jane Rainey, Mullanacross in Errigal Truagh Church but there's no marriage there for parents!
The problem is you need to look for Irwin/Urwin/Erwin/Ervine/Irvine.. Rainey/Reaney/Reany etc
Rainey would be easier than Irwin etc to find!
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She was born in 1866 ish - when you mean search - do you mean the family search.org site. I find I don' thave to put in spelling variations - it picks up all them pretty well. I found a marriage record for john Erwin and Jane Rainey in 1886 - but it doesn't list the mother of either of them. It lists the father as James but that name is so common that - Son John and Father James is very difficult to identify the right one.
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Marriages normally take place in bride's church, wherever that was, so a starting point for Raineys.
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Hello there..
Here is the information I have:
John Irwin - 1794 Ballybay
Miss Hamilton - 1798 Ballybay
Children (All born in Ballybay)
Alexander Hamilton 1820 (My great,great grandfather)
Francis Irwin 1823
John Irwin 1824
Sarah Irwin 1827
Eliza Ann Irwin 1829
Robert Irwin 1831 (Died 1834)
Samuel Irwin (1832)
Margaret Jane Irwin (1834)
The four brothers (Alexander/Franis/John/Samuel) emigrated to Canada and originally farmerd in Sarnia Ontario. There is an Irwin cemetary outside of Sarnia where many of them rest.
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Sorry, the dates I listed for Alexander, Francis, Sarah, Eliza Ann, Robert, Samuel and Margaret Jane are all Christening dates. (Not birth dates)
Attached is an index file from the 1871 Head of Househld census in Canada, showing the four brothers.
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And here is some "Family Search" information that may be of interest:
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have you participated in the ERWIN family dna study at all
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Sorry, the dates I listed for Alexander, Francis, Sarah, Eliza Ann, Robert, Samuel and Margaret Jane are all Christening dates. (Not birth dates)
Attached is an index file from the 1871 Head of Househld census in Canada, showing the four brothers.
Where were they baptised/christened?
You found a marriage record for John Erwin and Jane Rainey in 1886.. Where?
Did you look for them in 1901 census?
Where were they?
What age was his wife?
Could she be the same Jane previously mentioned?
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Where were they baptised/christened? That I don't know. All I know is taht the census I found says they were both born in Antrim area.
You found a marriage record for John Erwin and Jane Rainey in 1886.. Where? - I found a marriage record that lists Jane Rainey and John Erwin married in Kirkinrola church in 1886 and I have to assume it is theres given the location, names and age of their first born child. I found it online at ulsterhistory I beleive. Parents names are missing.
Did you look for them in 1901 census? Found them living in Boyle Ireland. He was a colpourter - seller of religious books. They moved a lot - the first children were born in Ballymena - then they move north and west several times. The ended up back in Ballymena to retire.
Where were they?
What age was his wife?
Could she be the same Jane previously mentioned? - no she was born around 1866 according to her death certificate
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I forgot to mention that the first and middle names of two of their oldest children were Edward Simpson Erwin and William Raphael Erwin. For a logn time I thought Raphael and Simpson were perhaps family names. Then I realized that Edward Simpson was the name of the minister who married Jane and John and William Raphael was the name of the minister in Ballyeaston in the 1960 time frame when John was born and likely the man who baptized him - which means that is likely where he was born. The church in Ballybay was what put me on to this thread in the first place.
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Nothing on them... this is nearest I can find, from Ballybay 1st Pres.
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Robert,
I'm interested in your Irwin/Hamilton couple. James Hamilton was born in Ballybay 16 Mar 1774, s.o. Alexander Hamilton & Martha Neilson. He married Margaret Irwin about 1807 and had a daughter, Martha, in 1808. I believe James is a brother to my 3g-grandfather, Alexander Hamilton. And I can't help but think there must be a link to your John Irwin/Miss Hamilton marriage.
James and Alexander also had siblings:
John, b. 21 Sep 1768
Isaiah b. 05 Oct 1776
Joseph b. 25 Jun 1784
Martha b. 19 Dec 1791
Your Miss Hamilton could possibly be this Martha or a daughter of one of the brothers.
My Alexander Hamilton, his wife, Jane Brown, and their 10 children emigrated to Toronto Twp. (now Mississauga), Ontario in 1830. Small world.
Joan Hunter
Essex, Ontario
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