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William Lemon married Dora(from NY) in 1886, he owned a Lemon Drop Factory in Dublin. he died sometime before 1904 in Ireland. Any information would be appreciated.
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1894 Thom's Directory of Dublin lists two W. Lemons, but neither in the business type you mentioned :
William Lemon esq., 31 Grosnover Rd, Rathmines
Mr. W.R. Lemon, 5 Seville place
there's also
Maxwell Lemon, confectioner, 14 Nassau Street
Lemon & Co., wholesale confectioners, 30 Bachelors Walk
In the 1904 edition the Bachelors Walk business is not listed, and the entry at Nassau St the business owner is shown as Mrs Maxwell Lemon. The trades index shows this same address as Miss Lemon with a residence at Castle Ave, Clontarf
I dont see a listing for a death of a William Lemon in Dublin around the right time.
Is this the same Lemon family as mentioned in your other post on the Cork board ? (see : Dora Lemon (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,444657.msg3074709.html#msg3074709) )
Shane
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any idea what year he was born ?
so we can search civil death index as this gives rough year born and year of death
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William Henry Graham-Lemon married Dora Ross in Warrenpoint, Co. Down. See thread on CORK board (not sure why it was posted there)-
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,444657.msg3074709.html#msg3074709
Note: thread moved to CORK to DOWN
Also a post on FERMANAGH board looking for details of son John (again, not sure why it was posted there)-
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=447534.new#new
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I was told originally that we were from county cork. Found out about Dublin, hence I posted on Dublin.
Since then have found out that: Dora (maiden name unknown) was born in NYC to a german father and Irish Mother both unknown. William came to the US met Dora and took her back to Ireland. When he died she brings herself and kids to NY in 1904 on Etruria. I do not have a dod for William I only got Dora thru her kids here in the US. I know they were married in 1886 from other family members.
Thanks for all your kind posts..
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Death registration: William Henry Graham Lemon (age 42) Apr./June 1904 Kilkeel registration district volume 1 page 469.
Added- this actually posted yesterday on other thread-
IF these are the correct parents then William H.G. Lemon and Dora Ross married Oct./Dec.1883 Newry registration district (Co. Down). William Henry Graham-Lemon born c1862 died 1904 Kilkeel registration district (Co.Down).
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Dear Lemon C
If this is the right Lemon then older Dubliners would be familiar with the advert. in Saturday night's newspapers..
If this is Saturday, I must not forget my Lemons Pure Sweets
Lemon Street was named after Graham Lemon (Confectioner) and was formerly called Little Grafton Street.
Come back if you think that I have the right connection.
Regards Quaxer
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That is so cool! I love all of this info!! Yup It Is grampie Willie
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Dear Lemon C
If this is the right Lemon then older Dubliners would be familiar with the advert. in Saturday night's newspapers..
If this is Saturday, I must not forget my Lemons Pure Sweets
Lemon Street was named after Graham Lemon (Confectioner) and was formerly called Little Grafton Street.
Come back if you think that I have the right connection.
Regards Quaxer
Don't forget the catchphase "uncle Dan sent me" which was part of one advert
for Lemon's sweets,my sister actually went into a shop and used the phrase. ;D
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Where are you getting the adverts?? This is so amazing. A couple of days ago we did not even know william existed!
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Hi, Is this the company?
Anne
http://www.architecturefoundation.ie/2010/02/26/the-confectioners-hall-oconnell-street-lisa-cassidy/
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And some of the products we all remember so well.
http://www.robert-roberts.ie/cms_rr/index.php?page=lemon-s-sweets
Contact info on this site might be worth an e-mail.
Dara.
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some directory listing for 49 Lwr Sackville St (mentioned in the article Anne posted.)
1848
Edward Smith & son, timepiece makers to Her Majesty's General Pot Office
1850
Vacant
1852
Graham Lemon & Co, confectioners
1863
Graham Lemon & Co, Wholesale confection, lozenge and comfit manufacturers
to the Queen and Castle, also office at 140 Stephens Grn West.
Residence - St. Edmonds, Clontarf
1870s
same details as 1863 - res. now Yew Park, Clontarf
1884
Lemon & Sons (other details as before)
Res. Yew Park, Clontarf & Ross Castle, Armagh
1894
Lemon and Co. (limited)
Thomas Owens Lemon , esq., T.C., 4 Vernon Parade, Clontarf
Shane
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Don't think this has been posted yet- Graham Lemon's Sweet Shop on this site:
http://p-www.iwate-pu.ac.jp/~acro-ito/Joyce_pics2002/Joyce2002fDUB2/imageidx.html
1870 Property list-
http://www.cmcrp.net/Dublin/Landowner1.htm
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This looks like the Thomas Owens Lemon on the 1911 census, as listed in Thom's 1894 in connection with the Lemon business in Lwr Sackville St :
Thomas Lemon, Castle Avenue, Clontarf (http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Clontarf_East/Castle_Avenue/12357/)
He states his occupation as 'Managing Director Limited Company'. Castle Ave is not far from his Vernon Parade residence given in 1894.
Shane
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and following on from the Castle Ave., clue Thom's 1904 shows :
2 Castle Ave, Clontarf
Dr. Wm. R. Lemon
Mrs. Maxwell Lemon
looks like this Mrs. Maxwell Lemon might be same one as mentioned in my 1st Reply (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,447770.msg3100954.html#msg3100954) to this post.
The Sackville st business is still listed as a limited Company but no names are mentioned. Other Lemon listings are mentioned in the index that seem to be connected :
Miss Lemon, 14 Nassau st, res 2 Castle Ave
Mrs. Maxwell Lemon, confectioner, 14 Nassau st, res 2 Castle Ave
W.R. Lemon, physician & surgeon, 14 Nassau st, res 2 Castle Ave
Thomas O. Lemon esq., 1 Castle Ave
there are also three other Lemon listings that dont appear to be connected in the South Dublin area.
Shane
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Afraid I still can't see a connection from William Henry Graham-Lemon who married and had children in Newry Co.Down to a confectionary business in Dublin :-\
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there's a possible Northern Ireland connection with the Doctor William Redmond Lemon on the census, living beside the other Lemon family... he gives his birth place as Co. Armagh.
See : #43 Castle Avenue, Clontarf (http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Clontarf_East/Castle_Avenue/12362/)
Shane
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Good Grief did I ? dont be tellin everyone that tee hee is that why hubby tells me sometimes I look like I'm suckin on a lemon ;D
Dear Lemon C
If this is the right Lemon then older Dubliners would be familiar with the advert. in Saturday night's newspapers..
If this is Saturday, I must not forget my Lemons Pure Sweets
Lemon Street was named after Graham Lemon (Confectioner) and was formerly called Little Grafton Street.
Come back if you think that I have the right connection.
Regards Quaxer
Don't forget the catchphase "uncle Dan sent me" which was part of one advert
for Lemon's sweets,my sister actually went into a shop and used the phrase. ;D
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Tee Hee,well I'm not 100% sure but I think
it was dad who told you to do it.
The ad went "uncle Dan the lemons man and then
"don't forget to say uncle Dan sent you" so you did
giggles.
xxxx.Anne
Apologies for this post,I thought I sent the comment in a p.m. :-[
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Wasnt I a clever little parrott giggles
Tee Hee,well I'm not 100% sure but I think
it was dad who told you to do it.
The ad went "uncle Dan the lemons man and then
"don't forget to say uncle Dan sent you" so you did
giggles.
xxxx.Anne
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Dear Lemon C.
It may well be that my family is connected to the Lemon family through my maternal grandmother. My late mother always stated this but was unable to state how the connection arose. She said that they were "disowned" as they were in "trade" presumably as shopkeepers which my mother dismissed as silly snobbish rot. I think that she was mistaken as to the cause because in my perusal of The Irish Times from 1859-1901 I noticed that Lemon shall we say was not over careful in his business activities.(i.e. run down property etc.)
The Irish Times for 9th October 1886 records on Page 5 the death of Graham Lemon and on 13th October at P.5 there is a further reference to him.
The dower of Elizabeth (widow of Graham Lemon) was the subject of a law case (see the I.T. 23rd June 1898 at Page 6 and 29th June at Page 6 again) i.e. Lemon v Mark . It may also be reported in The Irish Law Times and try also (a log shot ) the Irish Law Reports
Regards Quaxer
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Q: Graham Lemon was married to Mary Barkley. According to familysearch.com.
Where Elizabeth comes in not sure. Graham had brothers( see earlier posts-thomas) maybe one them. I do know that over here in US the lemons in western NY did not really have much to do with us here in Eastern NY. Going so far as to have seperate reunions. No body really knows why just was always like that though. Do you have any information. What was the connection to us?
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Lemon C.
I do not know what the connection is as none has come to light although I must say that I have not put any particular effort into finding one having been engaged in other matters. It is probably by marriage between say 1860-1890.
Regards Quaxer
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William Redmond Lemon was my great great grandfather, born 3 Aug 1821, son of Thomas Lemon and Anne Barklie, farmer of Glenanne, Near Markethill, Co Armagh. He had an older brother Graham, born c 1819, and also Joseph (born c 1823-1827), James Henry, b c 1825, Thomas, b c 1827, Mary (1830-1901) and Sarah (22 July 1833 - 29 Sep 1888, married John Redmond of Cork) Dr William Redmond Lemon (1861 - 1927) was the son of Joseph and was a Physician and Surgeon in Markethill and later in Dublin.
Graham and William Redmond Lemon together founded the Lemon confectionery business in Belfast in 1842 (Donegal St) before moving to Dublin in 1850. Graham was married by now to Isabella (Surname?) and William married in Dublin in 1852 to Anne Dishon of Orkney. I have lots of records on William Redmond Lemon's family (and he is definitely not the same person as the one who married Dora Ross) In 1857 Graham and William seem to have had some sort of quarrel and go their separate ways - Graham appears to have prospered more than William! William initially remained in confectionery, but later is described as an engineer and eventually as an accountant (probably general business activities) William recieved the freedom of the city of Dublin in 1878, so must have been reasonably successful.
I know less of Graham Lemon's family, but he had a son Graham who died in infancy in Belfast (1846-1847). A second son, James Henry was a vet with the Royal Horse Artillery and died in India in 1872; next came another Graham, born c 1850, then Thomas Owens Lemon (1852-1917) who married Jane Adelaide Morriss, but had no family. There were also twins (a boy and a girl) born 12 Jan 1857. The only descendents that I know of, are those of Graham Lemon junior who had a son Thomas Owen (b c 1880) who had a son George Arthur Lemon, and 3 grandchildren. After the quarrel, Graham prospered, became a JP and had 2 large houses ; he also owned a large number of properties in Dublin that were rented out and he regularly entered into court cases for refusal to pay rates, damage to property etc. He died in 1886 and I believe his wife may have died in 1889. There are later reports of court cases in 1915 involving "Mrs Graham Lemon" but I think this must be the widow of Graham junior, although there are inconsistencies.
Maxwell Lemon is another mystery and I have a number of stories. First that Sadie Lemon (Sarah, not sure which one as we had several) married a man called Mullins and he took the name "Maxwell Lemon" and set up in competition. Alternatively, Maxwell O'Connor married "Miss Lemon" and took the name Maxwell Lemon. On the 1911 census, there is Maxwell Lemon, a widow (ie female), born in Scotland and boarding with a couple called Mullins. I think the fact that Maxwell Lemon is female is more likely and from a more reliable source, as there also seems to be a Maxwell Lemon connection back to Markethill, Armagh.
With the information on this website, I have delved further and found the funeral report for Graham Lemon (Oct 1886) and now know that he also had children, Captain G. G. Lemon and William H. G. Lemon - which I presume must be your William Henry George and the one who married Dora. (Could be one of the twins as I did not have names for these)
Need to try and find marriage and death certificate for Graham to check the name of his wife.
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HMStew
Many thanks for your message of today. I recently discovered our connection with the Lemons in the marriage register for Tralee Parish Church when on 28/10/1875 Thomas Owen Lemon and Jane Adelaide Morris were married. Jane and my maternal grandmother were sisters.
In passing I have nevere before seen Morris spelt with 2 Ss but spelling like pronunciation has varied over the years.
Regards Quaxer
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Re Mary Gunny,
I am the Great Grandaughter of Daniel Fowler the said father of Daniel Gunny Lynch. I would welcome any conversation on Daniel Fowler.
Laraine
Wasnt I a clever little parrott giggles
Tee Hee,well I'm not 100% sure but I think
it was dad who told you to do it.
The ad went "uncle Dan the lemons man and then
"don't forget to say uncle Dan sent you" so you did
giggles.
xxxx.Anne
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I am John Gratton (an) Lyons canada
My father was Gratton Lemon Lyons
his father Rev James Lyons married Mary E Lemon daughter of Graham Lemon
I have the mother of Mary to be Isabel
My mother was a cousin o fmy father
Her mothers name was Annie Graham Lemon who was the daughter of John Brady Lemon who was the son of Graham Lemon founder of Lemons
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Greetings, HMStew,
My great grandmother was Sarah Lemon who gave birth to my grandfather, William Redmond, in 1850 who hailed from Market Hill. As you say, she was married to my great grandfather, John Redmond, born 1780. I am wondering if you have any records that throw light on John Redmond's ancestors. It so happens my grandfather moved to Cork City around 1900 and started an agency for weighing machine specialist, Pooley, subsequently absorbed by W& T Avery.
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Hello Reamon.
Your Great grandmother Sarah Lemon, born 22/07/1833 was the youngest of 7 children of Thomas Lemon and Annie Barklie of Markethill, Armagh. My great great great grandfather, Wm Redmond Lemon was the second son and Sarah's older brother. I spent a number of years trying to work out the relationship with the Redmonds, being put on the wrong track by the fact that William's second name was Redmond - still not sure where this name came from, as he was born 10 years before John Redmond. Perhaps the Lemons and Redmonds were connected further back? The only information I have on John Redmond is that he was a weaver and he married Sarah Lemon on 14.03.1850 in Clare Presbyterian Church, Newry. I have a note that his father was George Redmond of Armagh, possibly an actor? Sarah died on 29.09.1888.
I'm not sure which of William and Frances's children was your father/mother, but I do know that Sally Redmond (Sarah Jane Dishon Redmond) did not marry and was a great help to my branch of the Lemons - she lived with them in Dublin for some years. I have some other information, but am very busy with full-time work and don't have as much time as I would like
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Hello HMStew,
Thanks for your help. Sally Redmond was my aunt, who passed away nearly 60 years ago. She did go up to Dublin for long visits to the Lemon family. If you ever get the time to let me have further information that you have on my great grandfather's antecedents I should be grateful to have it. I suppose it must be quite rare for me to go back only four generations and find I am back over 230 years.
Best regards,
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I was really interested to read about the family of William Redmond Lemon, as I have been looking for my maternal tree for ages. My great-great grandmother was Jane Lemon born around 1837-39. She gave her parents names as Thomas Lemon and Sarah Redmond on her marriage certificate (she married twice, second time in Scotland to the same man) I have never found her parents marriage. Jane married an English man in 1861 in Dublin. I am sure she is related to William Redmond Lemon because of the links in my tree. Her eldest daughter Frances Elizabeth Knatchbull never showed up on the English census. But suddenly I came across her married to a William Redmond in Cork at the end of the 1800s. One of their children had the middle name of Dishon, and this child stayed with a Lemon family (I think Wm Redmond's children) in the 1900s. There is a link. I just cant find it. Does anyone know about Jane's parents - did Thomas marry again after Sarah Redmond? They all seem to be interlinked. William Redmond by the way was a son of John Redmond and came from Armagh!
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Dear Lemon 12,
I may be able to throw some light on your maternal family tree. Frances, Elizabeth Knatchbull was my grandmother and the reason she may never have shown up on the English census is that her father's first name was Tomblyn, who was in an infantry regiment but hated it so he deserted but because he loved horses he joined the Scots Greys and to improve his chances of being accepted he changed his name to Knatchbull, who at the time was the Colonel of the Scots Greys. Frances Knatchbull, I am told, was born in Edinburgh Castle about the 1850s.
Best regards, Reamon
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Hello there
Thanks for your reply. I have Frances' birth certificate somewhere, she was my great grandmother's older sister. I found out they were Tomblings about 5 years ago through a distant cousin's research. John Knatchbull/Robert Tomnbling's eldest son Robert kept the name Tombling, married a Scottish girl and settled down in Sheffield - he had 3 sons. My great grandmother was named Jane after her mother (Jane Lemon) but died in childbirth having my grandmother, and she was never told anything about her family. I have had to piece it together the past 30 years or so. I only found out Francis was alive after birth as the Irish records are now on Ancestry, Your grandmother was born 2 Jan 1862 at Leith which is just outside Edinburgh, she was the eldest of the first five born to John aka Robert and Jane Lemon. He had another son by his second wife, and two children by his last wife. John Knatchbull aka Robert Tombling died in Carlisle in 1913. I have researched the Tomblings back to the 1700s. It was very interesting to hear from you. If you have any info on the Lemons I would love to hear, I think they came from Armagh - as they were linked to the Redmonds who were up there too,
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Forgot to add that I have noted down John Knatchbull's army record from Find My Past, he signed up in 1858 in London for the Scots Greys. I havent found his record for before this, He travelled a fair bit and during the time of the census in 1871 he was in Dublin, doesnt have where he was in 1861 but he married Jane Lemon in 1861 in Dublin, he never went further than Scotland and Ireland/ I might find more under Robert Tombling - there were two about from the same village, so have to be careful when looking him up,
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I am coming back into this conversation after a gap of over 5 years, so please forgive me!
I wonder if you have found any more information about the Lemons of Markethill, Armagh? Thomas Lemon married Annie Barklie and had at least 7 children, including Graham, William Redmond and Sarah. If Thomas had previously been married to Sarah Redmond, it would explain why the Redmond name came into the Lemon family so early (ie prior to Sarah Lemon's marriage to John Redmond)
If correct, it creates rather complex relationships with various Redmonds!
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I am still trying to unravel whether Sarah Redmond ever married Thomas Lemon or just lived with him. I did note on my Ancestry tree their deaths, if it was them, but as Redmond was a common name I am not sure if it was her. I only have their names from Jane Lemon's Scottish marriage certificate as she gives them as her parents. This is what led me to all the other links. I certainly believe they were connected because of Jane's daughter Frances, my great grandmother's sister, who married in Cork to a William Redmond - I think his father was the brother of Sarah Redmond - and this being cousins could explain the connection too. And her daughter stayed with the Dishons and Lemons at different times, the other children may have done so too. Its a bit vague. Did you come across anything further?
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After a very busy few years I have now retired and I am just getting back into family research, so I have been trying to remind myself where I was and to see if others had produced any results in the meantime. So, the answer to your question is No.
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lbm/ gets you Birth, Marriage and Death results for Lemon
Displaying results 1 - 100 of 1961.
You can narrow them by Locations or by Decades (from folders on left!)
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I also retired just over 5 years ago now. I thought I would have more time for research, but I am a carer which means my time is restricted. I have been using irishgenealogy.ie for a lot of my research, but there are still gaps.
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Hi, if anybody is still following this. For non-family reasons I took a recent interest in the Lemons. Graham Lemon (b.1819) married twice, his first wife Mary died on 8th December 1882 after a prolonged illness, aged 63. Graham then married Isabella Rofs in April/May 1884 in New York, she was 23, he was 65 or so! He died suddenly at home on 8th October 1886 and is buried with his first wife and some of his children in Mount Jerome cemetery in Dublin. He didn't leave a will which led to several contested family appearances in court. Isabella seems to have been a feisty lady and even spent a couple of short periods in Mountjoy gaol in the late 1920s or early 30s for non-payment of monies/rates. She was still alive in May 1941 (79/80 years old) but when or where she died and is buried I have no idea.
Hope that is of some interest to somebody, and do let me know if you have any more info on Isabella.
Karl
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http://search.freefind.com/find.html?si=13812782&pid=r&n=0&_charset_=UTF-8&bcd=%C3%B7&query=lemon&s=dublinstones
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I am John Gratton (an) Lyons canada
My father was Gratton Lemon Lyons
his father Rev James Lyons married Mary E Lemon daughter of Graham Lemon
I have the mother of Mary to be Isabel
My mother was a cousin o fmy father
Her mothers name was Annie Graham Lemon who was the daughter of John Brady Lemon who was the son of Graham Lemon founder of Lemons
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/dublin/photos/tombstones/mt-jerome-44/target105.html
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Plenty of descendants around the world still looking at Graham Lemon and his family. His second wife Isabelle Ross, over 40 years his junior, was, as you say, a feisty lady. She was probably also a gold-digger, a nuisance to Graham's family and living well beyond her means. There are far too many stories to even begin...……………
She died in July 1938 in Dublin and is buried in Mt Jerome cemetery, although various legal wranglings continued long after her death. I'm interested in your statement that she was imprisoned, as none of the newspaper reports I have seen have mentioned this.
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In the Evening Herald of June 2nd 1931 (p.9) it mentions in a dispute with Louisa Eyres, her secretary of sorts in the late 1920s, that Isabella spent 2 periods in Mountjoy gaol (adding up to about 3months) for refusal to pay money owed - disputed by Isabella of course). There were court cases after her death then, more disputes over property probably.
In the Irish Independent dd 11th March 1932, in the women's page (p.5)it mentions her living in a Dublin hotel and calls her both "witty" and "intelligent", and a well-known figure in the city.
Do you have an exact date in 1938? Is she buried in the same grave as Graham (not on headstone I think)?
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9th of July 1938 at Yew Park,Clontarf, Isabella Lemon,widow,housekeeper age 70
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1938/04761/4276170.pdf
this may be of interest
i typed the name Lemon into the Clontarf St John the Baptist burial register and got
Sarah Lemon age 32,Irish Church,single,child of Joseph Lemon,Esq,address Yew Park.no date of death given?
http://databases.dublincity.ie/cemeteries/advanced.php
however looking at the civil index it appears that she died 1884 unfortunately the cert is not viewable for some reason.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mou/
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death cert for Sarah : https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1884/06316/4811122.pdf
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The informant on the above death appears to be Matilda Henry nee Ferguson wife of William Henry a gardiner ,gate lodge Yew Park
see 411 here
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1875/03115/2142476.pdf
also buried in Clontarf 1919
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hmstew
I have just discovered that in one of your posts you said that Maxwell Lemon was a mystery. The mystery is now solved. She was born Maxwell Gardner Wright abt 1835 Barony, Lanarhshire, Scotland to James Wright and Maxwell Gardner. She married William John Lemon (brother of Graham Lemon) on 9 Oct 1856 in Dublin and was living at the Confectioners Hall 49 Lower Sackville St, Dublin at that time. Her daughter Sarah Jane Lemon was married twice. The first husband was Rudolf Gottfried Schaerer (1856 - 1892) and the second husband was Michael James Mullins. Maxwell Lemon and her daughter Sarah Jane Lemon carried on the confectionery business at 22 Nassau St, Dublin.
Kind regards
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http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Usher_s_Quay/South_Circular_Road__South_Side/64817/
died June 1912 death does not seem to be Registered
however buried St Fintan's
https://buried.fingal.ie/search-for-a-burial/
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poppeen
Isabella Lemon was buried in Mount Jerome Cemetery on 12 July 1938. I am not sure whether she is buried in the same grave as Graham Lemon Snr. I have a list of 18 Lemon family burials in Mount Jerome Cemetery, they all couldn't be in the same grave.
Kind regards
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dathai
Thanks for the burial details for Maxwell Lemon
Kind regards