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Title: Surname BUTFOY origin pease.
Post by: geebrooks9 on Tuesday 06 April 10 21:01 BST (UK)
Hi, I am trying to trace the origin of the Surname Butfoy. I have been told it may be French?  My g g grandmother was Rebecca Butfoy who married Charles Nix in 1836 at St Leonards, Shoreditch.  She was born 1818 in Bethnal Green,  her father was James and mother Ann. Any help would be much appreciated. Thank you, Sara.
Title: Re: Surname BUFOY origin pease.
Post by: still_looking on Friday 09 April 10 21:24 BST (UK)
There are others researching the same surname, if you didn't already know this try the search option to find their posts.

I don't know the surname but could it possible be a a variation on Boutefeu? This appears in the OED and dates back to 1598. Not sure if 'feu' would sound like 'foy' or not.

There's mention in another post of the Hugenots and there is an item in Google books which mentions someone of this surname in connection with the Hugenots.

You can obviously go back further than 1839 but there was a policeman in that period called Abia Butfoy. I only mention him as the forename is Greek or Jewish in origin.

Finally (and not really likely) a translation of a russian book called Pure Spring mentions a village called Bufoy on the outskirts of Ura-Tijube in Tajikistan.

Hope you have some success.

S_L
Title: Re: Surname BUFOY origin pease.
Post by: Plummiegirl on Friday 09 April 10 22:08 BST (UK)
Other variations are Beaufoy and Beaufort   I would imagine that the name would have originally been from France & came over with William the Conquerer & his chums.
Title: Re: Surname BUTFOY origin pease.
Post by: geebrooks9 on Saturday 10 April 10 12:20 BST (UK)
Hi, thank you both very much, I will certainly check out all this information. Best wishes, Sara.
Title: Re: Surname BUTFOY origin pease.
Post by: richarde1979 on Friday 16 April 10 15:12 BST (UK)
Hello Sara

I posted this to you other thread elsewhere, but will copy it here too as I am a bit late getting on this, so hopefully more chance you will see it if I post to both threads.

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The name comes from the French 'Boute Foi' roughly translated as 'Stout in Faith' or perhaps more properly 'Incased in Faith'. At the time it would have been more usally spelt 'Boutefoy'.

The first in England (and I believe your ancestor) was a Gabriel Boutefoy, (who was here at least as early as 1663 and later became a denised British citizen by patent roll of Charles II March 8 1681/2.)

With his wife Marie Charron, he had the following children baptised at Threadneedle Street French Huguenot Church, London:

Salomon Boutefoy
baptised 1 May 1663 (Godparents: Salomon Pain and Louyse Boursie)
Pierre Boutefoy baptised 6 Dec 1663 (Godparents: Pierre Boursier and Lea Desuiane, daughter of Lambert Desuiane)
Jacques Boutefoy baptised 19 July 1665 (Godparents: Jacques Huet and Louyse Lesur, wife of Daniel Boursier)
Charles Boutefoy baptised 1 Nov 1668 (Godparents Charles Le Maistre and Maire Boursie)

The youngest son Charles married an Alice and they had a son also Charles (Baptised 1718 as 'Charles Butfoy' St Dunstans Stepney). This Charles in turn married an Anne, and they had a son Abiah Buttfoy (baptised 1743 St Dunstans Stepney). Abiah also married an Anne and he had a son James Buttfoy (Baptised 1777 at St Matthews Bethnal Green). James in turn married another Ann, and they had a daughter Rebecca Butfoy (baptised 1818 Shoreditch) who I believe would be the lady who married Charles Nix.

As to where in France the family come from, this is not stated for Gabriel, and unfortunately the Tesmoignages for Threadneedle Street only survive from 1669 onwards (these usually state where a refugee came from). However there are a couple of very strong clues.

The first is in several letters written in early 1680's by a Louis Thibou, who left London with various other Huguenots to become an early settler of South Carolina, written back to Gabriel which are printed in the book 'The Huguenot Connection". Thibou and most of these others were from Paris and it's outskirts, so his freindship with Gabriel points to this.

However probably more significantly, another Boutefoy/Buttfoy also came over, a little later.

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Title: Re: Surname BUTFOY origin pease.
Post by: richarde1979 on Friday 16 April 10 15:14 BST (UK)
(cont...)

Jean Boutefoy joined Threadneedle Street, on 7 July 1678, with a testimony from the Huguenot Chapel at Charenton.

This was France's biggest and main Huguenot Temple, built on the outskirts of Paris, to minister to the cities large Protestant population. It's size and proximity to the centre of power meant it was one of the earliest targets for persecution, and was one of the first torn down after the revocation of the edit of Nantes in 1685. There is a good site on this below:

http://www.crommelin.org/history/Ancestors/Scheffer/Charenton/Charenton.htm

Jean himself seems to have been born in a village a bit further North as he was married in London 3 years later:

"Jean Bouttefoy, a native of Bouttavan in the Bauvoisain, son of Charles Bouttefoy and Catherine Deshay, and Anne Maison, native of London, daughter of Richard Maison and Anne Devine, Oct 2, Produced a certificate announcing their intention (to marry) 16 Ocotber 1681. "

They were then after married on 29 October 1681 at St Dunstans ,Stepney, with Annes surname anglicised to 'Anne Home'.

By "Bouttavan in the Bauvoisain" he would likely be referring to the small village of Boutavent, in the outer region of the larger town of Bauvais, approx 120 km north of Paris.

They had the follwing children, most baptised at Threadneedle Street:

Jean Boutefoy circa 1683.
Ann Boutefois 1686 (Godparents Henry Respeaux and Filis Marie)
Elizabeth Boutefoy 1689 (Godparents Jacques Curry and Elizabeth Riousset)
Marie Boutefoy 1692 (Godparents Solomom Saual and Maire Joleuse)
Elizabeth Boutefoy 1696 ( Godparents Jean Houle and Elizabeth Nialienne)
Pierre Boutefoy 1699 (Godparents Pierre Riousset and Elizabeth Dieq)

The baptism of the youngest, son Pierre, gives the aditional info Jean was living in Gray Eagle Street, Stepney (Spitalfields) and was a Silk Weaver.

Now the interesting thing is in the daughter Elizabeths godfather Jacques Curry.

Gabriel Boutefoy stood as godfather in 1678 to a Nicholas Currys daughter Judith, alongside the wife of a Jacques Curry. So there is one link between Gabriel and Jean there already.

However most significantly, Jean died young around 1704/5. His daughter Marie, b.1692, was married off unusually young soon after, aged just 14, to an Estienne Joyeaux and admitted to the Threadneedle Street Church as an adult at 15, on 25 sep 1706.

Now her husband Estienne Joyeux was baptised at Threadneedle Street in 1681, the son of Estienne Joyeux and his wife Marie Goujon. His godfather was Gabriel Boutefoy!

In addition his parents marriage shows his fathers mother was also a Boutefoy..

"Estienne Joyeux, of Paris, the son of Estienne Joyeaux and Marthe Boutefoi married Marie Goujon 1679 Dec"


Again Paris coming up as place of origin. Therefore I think the Joyeauxs and both Gabriel and Jean Buotefoy were all related and originally from Paris.

Incidently there is also a link with one of my own families, the Bacheliers. Jean stood as a godfather alongside a Madelaine Bachelier, to a Susanne Clarke at Threadneedle Street in 1702. The Bacheliers were also from outskirts of Paris and used the Charenton Temple, so another bit of circumstanstial evidence placing them there.

Why Gabriel came to London as early as 1662/3 I do not know. The vast majority came from 1678 onwards. However Louis XIV reached his majority not long before this and began his long personal rule of France in 1661 at age of 22. Though he initially promised to uphold the rites and liberties of the Protestants in his kingdom, small scale persecutions and backward legislation did start from this point on, and gradually gathered pace and momentum in the following years. Perhaps being in Paris, as stated earlier, they were hit earlier than most by these measures.

Regards

Richard
Title: Re: Surname BUTFOY origin pease.
Post by: geebrooks9 on Friday 16 April 10 15:39 BST (UK)
Well Richard, I am amazed! :o Thank you so much, I didn't expect to get all this information. How long have you been researching the Butfoys? I would never have found this information myself and would like to thank you again.
Best wishes, Sara.
Title: Re: Surname BUTFOY origin pease.
Post by: richarde1979 on Friday 16 April 10 15:48 BST (UK)
No problem Sara, only too happy to help. I've been researching the Huguenots for 5 years now, and am particularly interested in those who settled in Spitalfields and East London like mine did, and who were mostly artisans, silk weavers etc. I had not actually come across the surname Butfoy until reading your post this morning, but have researched at least good 80+ families in the area before so have a fair bit of practise and do not find it too hard now, and still endlessly fascinating following these families.  Incidently the forename 'Abiah' S-L is right in giving a Jewish origin. The Huguenots, like a lot of non-conformists were very keen on these old testament names!
Title: Re: Surname BUTFOY origin pease.
Post by: geebrooks9 on Friday 16 April 10 16:48 BST (UK)
Hello Richard, I am still trying to take it all in! How do you get all this information? Especially that Gabriel became a British Citizen in 1681/2, and the very early Baptisms.
Well you have made my day, I really appreciate your taking the trouble to let me know all this about the Butfoys.
Best wishes, Sara.
Title: Re: Surname BUTFOY origin pease.
Post by: richarde1979 on Friday 16 April 10 17:12 BST (UK)
Sara, most of the information (though not all) is from the Huguenot Society of GB Quarto series, which consist of the transcriptions nembers of the Society have done over the past century or so from the original church records, many of which now held at Kew. You can see scanned images of the original registers at BMDregister.co.uk (paysite). The denisation rolls likewise are from the Societies Quarto series, many of which have been released on CD Rom, which makes it easier to search through them for all instances of a surname etc. 

One further avenue, as they were weavers, they may be mentioned in the Guild Book of the Weavers Company. I do not have this, and it's not been released on CD Rom, but is available at the Huguenot Societies Library, and other big Libraries that stock their publications such as Londons Guild Hall etc.  The family may also possibly have been mentioned in the Huguenot Societies various Proceedings, so well worth getting in touch with them, or making a visit to their library if possible.

All best

Richard
Title: Re: Surname BUTFOY origin pease.
Post by: geebrooks9 on Friday 16 April 10 17:41 BST (UK)
Thank you Richard. I am so pleased that I posted the query, and that you answered it.
 ;D
Best wishes and kind regards, Sara.
Title: Re: Surname BUTFOY origin pease.
Post by: Churchie on Monday 26 April 10 10:11 BST (UK)
 You can see scanned images of the original registers at BMDregister.co.uk (paysite).

Hi Richard,
I have tried this link but I don't seem to get to any relevant pages?
Your information is fantastic and has helped me confirm more details in my Butfoy research - (there are a lot of us out there) and now I'm dying to see soem of the original scanned documents.

Hi Sara,
We have been doing some of the same research. My GG Grandmother was Eliza Butfoy, born abt 1821, and she was the GGGG granddaughter of Gabriel Butfoy. I have seen you linking into some of the same information on Ancestry, but I can't find your tree...
Caroline.
Title: Re: Surname BUTFOY origin pease.
Post by: Churchie on Monday 26 April 10 10:12 BST (UK)
Oops, have duplicated this message ( new to posting on this site) and can't make it go away...
Sorry!
Title: Re: Surname BUTFOY origin pease.
Post by: richarde1979 on Monday 26 April 10 16:55 BST (UK)
Hello Caroline

It was my understanding at least that the French Church Registers are scanned and complete on BMDRegisters. I've viewed a few of mine from the Threadneedle Church in any case. Whether the other French Churches are covered I may be wrong? It could be a case of the name being misread by the transcribers. I get 4 matches for Boutefoy, 5 for Boutfois, but there should be more than that if the registers are complete. Maybe playing around with spelling a bit might find them?

Incidently I see there are 15 hits for 'Butfoy', including the marriage of Charles from 1703. Rest seem to be mostly burials, from the Protestant Dissenters ground at Gibraltar Walk, and the Victoria Park cemetery in Hackney.
Title: Re: Surname BUTFOY origin pease.
Post by: richarde1979 on Monday 26 April 10 19:12 BST (UK)
Also some added info for you both.

I was interested by Abia Butfoys marriage at St George in the East Church:

"Ann Allar and Abia Butfoy, married 11 Aug 1765 by William Dubordine, Curate, Witnesses John Corson and Elizabeth Westfield"

I noticed, (as well as the vicar who married them clearly being also of French or Huguenot Stock!), the wifes surname might also suggest another Huguenot family.

I have had a look into her and think this is so.

Ann Allar, baptised 25 Oct 1748 St Leonards, Shoreditch.

Parents William Allar and Violetta Ward (Married 12 April 1732 St Dunstans Stepney)

Other children:
Mary Allar baptised 1735  St Dunstans Stepney
William Allar baptised 1740 St Dunstans Stepney
Mary Allar, baptised 1743 St Marys Whitechapel
Sarah Allar baptised 1753 St Matthews Bethnal Green

William, the father,  I believe was originally baptised in the French Church as 'Guillaume Allar" to an Anthoine Allar and his wife Marie Lord.

They were married 2 Nov 1703 at St Dunstans, Stepney, and had the following children including Guilliame baptised at the French Church Threadneedle Street:

Guilliame Allar son of Anton Alar, Weaver, and Marie his wife in Fleet Street, Stepney Parish. Godparents Nicholas Bertran and Madeliane Faucon. Feb 17 1706
Elie Alar and Marie Alar, son and daughter of Anthoine Alar and Marie, Godparents Elie Alar and Maire his wife, and for the daughter, Antoine Allar and Marie his wife on Oct 26 1712, born 20th same month.
Sarah Allar, daughter of Antoine Allar and Marie his wife Godparents Isaac and Marie Allar,  March 27 1715
Ester Allar, daughter of Antoine Allar and Marie his wife. Godparents Jean Baptiste Cabile and Ester Podextre


I would think the Elie and Isaac Allar who appear as godparents are most likely siblings of Antoine. Anthoine and Isaac at least appear in the records of the Threadneedle Street London Church joining from Canterbury around same time:

Antoine Alard testimony from the Huguenot Church of Canterbury 31 Dec 1704
Isaac Alar and wife testimony from the Huguenot Church of Canterbury 30 Sep 1705
 
I don't have the Canterbury registers but looking purely at the IGI, Isaac (and his wife Mary Six) had at least two children baptised there, a daughter Sara in 1696 and a son Isaac in June 1701 (His godfather in canterbury was  Anthoine Allar. He later joined the Threadneedle Street Church London as a full adult member aged 19 in 1720, and married not long after having several children baptised there, with Antoine Allar standing as godfather there also ).

I believe the parents of Isaac (sr), Elie and Antoine are most likely a Guillaume Allar and his wife Margeuritte.

They appear in London on 4 April 1674, when they joined with a testimonal from the Huguenot Church in Liede, Holland. They then had two children baptised not in London, but at the Huguenot Church in Canterbury, Kent, a daughter Lea in 1676 and another Daughter Judith (1678). They then turn up again in London rejoining Threadneedle on 9 July 1679, with a testimonal from the Huguenot Church in Canterbury.

Since they clearly moved around a bit, I wonder whether the three sons were born whilst they were over in Holland? A Judith Allar appears alongside Anthoine, Elie and Isaac, in the church records in London after 1703, so might well be the Judith baptised above in Canterbury, who I propose as their sister. It also makes sense Anthoine calling his first son Guilluame (William) if it was indeed his fathers name.

Guilluame, the (probable) father, was himself probably born in England as their is this baptism at the Huguenot Church in Kent:

Guillame Allar, son of Guillame Allar and Jean Soteau, baptised 11 March 1654 Huguenot and Waloon Church Canterbury.

I cannot trace them back any further than this with certainty.

There is an Andreas Allard, born in Leyden, Holland, who was granted denisation in Britian by King James I on June 22 1614. Whether he was related I do not know.

There is however, another, small but very intriguing clue to the possible family origin  in the records of the French Hospital of London. In 1932 a female patient with the surname Lee applied and was admitted to the Hospital, claiming French decent through her grandfather one John Allard. She stated (and proved with documents) that he was decended from one Claud Alard, who was baptised in Canterburys Huguenot Church in 1590.

If this is right, this would give you both roots, through Ann Allar, back to the early communites of Huguenots and Walloons in England.
Title: Re: Surname BUTFOY origin pease.
Post by: Churchie on Monday 26 April 10 21:05 BST (UK)
Richard, thank you so very much.
You must be the speediest researcher I have ever come across.
I had William Allar and Violetta Ward, but simply had not found time to wade through St Dunstans records yet. I hadn't actually thought to interpret their name either, so this is another fascinating piece of information.

Are you using the CD Roms from the Huguenot Society? I have thought about investing in them, as I have other 'French' names as well, and I would dearly love to see the originals of some of these records now.

What are your thoughts on Furneaux of St George in the East? My earliest there is John Furneaux, born abt 1734, married Margaret Thompson 1757, father of John Furneaux b 1760. I don't know what their origin would be, there are a lot of Furneaux in Devon, going a long way back, but so far I haven't located anything to suggest their origin.

Incidentally, there was a crucial 'S' missing from the website link: BMDregisters.co.uk. Without the "S' I ended up on a page on advertising! I will now look at the correct site.

Caroline.
Title: Re: Surname BUTFOY origin pease.
Post by: richarde1979 on Tuesday 27 April 10 12:08 BST (UK)
Ooops apologies giving you the wrong link there, hope your in the right one now.

I have a few different Huguenot resources, the major ones yes being the CD Roms of the Huguenot Society's Transcriptions for the various London Churches, and also the French Hospital London Records. If you have more than one possible French family, certainly well worth paying out for them. They are searchable by surname so easy to find the name you are looking for and any variants.

Furneauxs in London around that time certainly would send the alarm bells ringing for a Huguenot family, though funnily enough the IGI 200+ hits for London don't include any from the Huguenot Churches, which is unusual. Perhaps they are an older French family in England, and came via Devon as you say. I will keep an eye out for them nevertheless and see if they pop up in any of the other records as I go through them.

Regards

Richard
Title: Re: Surname BUTFOY origin pease.
Post by: geebrooks9 on Thursday 06 May 10 19:58 BST (UK)
Hi Richard, sorry for the delay in thanking you, family problems.
I have managed to get a typed copy of the 2nd letter written to Gabriel by Louis Thibou, in 1683 from Carolina. It makes very interesting reading. If you would like a copy let me know.
I must thank you for all your hard work reserching the family, it has been a very great help, I wouldn't have known where to start.
All the best. Sara.
Title: Re: Surname BUTFOY origin pease.
Post by: Churchie on Thursday 06 May 10 21:33 BST (UK)
Hi Sara, I still can't find your tree on Ancestry.

I bought the PDF copy of Louis Thibou's letter from a library in Australia and would be happy to send the original to to you if you'd like it - much better quality than the edited version I put on the website.
Caroline.
Title: Re: Surname BUTFOY origin pease.
Post by: geebrooks9 on Friday 07 May 10 14:17 BST (UK)
Hi Caroline, thank you very much, I would certainly like A copy. I have a private tree on Ancestry because I have added up todate information. If you send me your email address I will add you as a guest, you can then look whenever you like.  I will send you my email address. Best wishes, Sara.
Title: Re: Surname BUTFOY origin pease.
Post by: richarde1979 on Saturday 08 May 10 22:26 BST (UK)
Hello Sara and Caroline

Glad you are having some success in pushing this further. Would certainly be interested in seeing the letter in full.

Richard
Title: Re: Surname BUTFOY origin pease.
Post by: geebrooks9 on Saturday 08 May 10 22:42 BST (UK)
Hi Richard, please send me your email address and I will send you a copy of the letter. Best wishes, Sara.
Title: Re: Surname BUTFOY origin pease.
Post by: Wazza on Sunday 30 May 10 10:45 BST (UK)
I have been able to trace my Huguenot ancestors back to Gabriel Boutefoy and Marie Charron.
My direct line is via their son Charles who was baptised on 1/11/1668 at the Threadneedle Street French Huguenot Church, London (the actual record is in book form at Salt Lake City and is not available on IGI film). This couple had at least 3 another children.
Gabriel and his descendants were all Silk Weavers.  It is believed, but not yet proven, that Gabriel was from French Flanders.
Over the years the spelling of Boutefoy evolved into Butfoy.
I am in Australia and would welcome the opportunity to exchange information.
Title: Re: Surname BUTFOY origin pease.
Post by: Churchie on Sunday 30 May 10 23:09 BST (UK)
Hi Wazza,
The Butfoy/Boutefoys were a large family, and I have come across quite a few descendants kicking around the genealogy world!
Do you have an account with ancestry.co.uk? Happy to link you up to my tree if you give me your username.
I'm in New Zealand.
Caroline.
Title: Re: Surname BUTFOY origin pease.
Post by: Wazza on Tuesday 01 June 10 03:46 BST (UK)
Hello Caroline,

Thank you for responding. I have not uploaded a family tree onto any of the sites yet as my research is ongoing but hope to do so by the end of the year.
If you care to send me your email address I will provide you with a summary of the information I have to date.

Regards
Wazza
Title: Re: Surname BUTFOY origin pease.
Post by: Leonie_O on Sunday 04 July 10 08:55 BST (UK)
Hi all
I also have a BUTFOY in the tree.
Susannah BUTFOY, daughter of Charles and Ann Butfoy, baptised 2 Sep 1850 at St Matthews Bethnal Green.
She married Richard OLIVER, origins unknown, on 3 Jan 1773 at St Mary Newington.
She had 9 children from 1773 until 1793.
She died on 29 August 1841 aged 91 years at 23 Wilmot St Bethnal Green, the home of her youngest child, Sarah Shepherd, nee Oliver.  She is also recorded there in the 1841 census.  Richard Oliver died in 1829.

Susannah's daughter Julian/a married Charles Lusby in 1810.  My question is-can anyone help with the origins of Richard Oliver, who was a silk weaver (what else?) or Charles Lusby who was the son of John and Mary Lusby?  The Lusbys were also weavers.

I suppose I would really like to know if Richard Oliver and/or the Lusbys had Huguenot origins. 

Many thanks
Leonie_O

Title: Re: Surname BUTFOY origin pease.
Post by: Churchie on Monday 05 July 10 09:50 BST (UK)
Hi Leonie,
I got your message via Ancestry and will answer there, but you may want to correct the baptism year on this? You seem to be 100 years out?
Caroline.
Title: Re: Surname BUTFOY origin pease.
Post by: Boutefoy on Wednesday 15 April 15 20:46 BST (UK)

Please see www.boutefoy.net  or  www.geneanet.org for the French Boutefoy family tree.

Excuse me, I'm French and don't speak English fluently.

Bernard Boutefoy

Title: Re: Surname BUTFOY origin pease.
Post by: Churchie on Sunday 16 July 17 06:53 BST (UK)
Hi everyone,
I have started a new thread asking for Butfoy descendants who have DNA tested, as we are trying to finally make progress on the mysterious birth of Eliza Butfoy b1821.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=775058.msg6285192#msg6285192

Hoping this links to the new thread...

Caroline.
Title: Re: Surname BUTFOY origin pease.
Post by: BeckyNZ on Saturday 22 September 18 03:22 BST (UK)
Hi there,

New to this forum, but Butfoy is a name which features many times in my family tree, with my 3rd Great Grandmother being Rebecca Butfoy, going back up to my 9th great grandfather who was Charles Bouttefoy.

Fascinating stuff.
Title: Re: Surname BUTFOY origin pease.
Post by: BeckyNZ on Thursday 30 May 19 06:03 BST (UK)
Hi, I am trying to trace the origin of the Surname Butfoy. I have been told it may be French?  My g g grandmother was Rebecca Butfoy who married Charles Nix in 1836 at St Leonards, Shoreditch.  She was born 1818 in Bethnal Green,  her father was James and mother Ann. Any help would be much appreciated. Thank you, Sara.

Hi Sara,

My 3rd great grandmother was Rebecca Butfoy and if you search my family tree on Ancestry, I have traced the line back to the 1600's. It is French and we are decedents of the Hugenots going all the way back to Charles Bouttefouy and Catherine Deshay early 1600's.

It does appear they came to England via Rochester and settled in Canterbury before moving to London.

I myself are English, having been born the East End and my Father was from Battersea.

My Family tree is under Rebecca Taylor and you are most welcome to search this.