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Title: WYMER, Rev. Edward, Vicar of Westwick
Post by: cmillerhamilton on Thursday 08 April 10 06:15 BST (UK)
My 3G Grandmother, Charlotte Elizabeth Wymer, was the eldest daughter of Rev. Edward Wymer and Elizabeth Whaites.  She was Baptized at Stalham, 1833, married Martin Isham Case 1855, married Thomas Steel ?, left England sometime between 1865-1879 and arrived in Pensacola, FL, USA 1879. 
Seeking any information regarding the immediate family who lived in East Anglia near Ingham, Westwick, Smallburgh, Stalham.  Other family names:  Berney, Petre, Whaites, Varlo
Title: Re: WYMER, Rev. Edward, Vicar of Westwick
Post by: lizdb on Thursday 08 April 10 11:37 BST (UK)
Not sure what you already have - but 1851 shows here immedaite family ie siblings

1851
HO107 1808 359 5
Chapel Road Ingham
Edward 46 Rector of Westwick bn Keepham
Elizabeth 39 bn Keswick
Charlotte 18
Helen 15
Jane 14
Elizabeth 12
Fanney 10
Edward 5   all children bn Stalham
Catherine Bond house servant

what are you looking for? and whathave you already got?
Title: Re: WYMER, Rev. Edward, Vicar of Westwick
Post by: cmillerhamilton on Thursday 08 April 10 16:12 BST (UK)
thx for reply
This is the correct family:)  and I do have this record.  Charlotte was married to Martin Isham Case in Lincolnshire 1855 after this Census was taken.  All I can find for Martin Case is an ADMON record in 1857 and I have to assume he died because by 1858 she appears in Exeter as Mrs. Thomas Steel. 

Our family records begin with her life in Exeter.  She leaves England sometime after 1865 and shows up in America on the US Census of Florida in 1880.  She died in Pensacola, FL in 1916.

Her father, Rev. Edward Wymer remained in England, as did all of the other siblings.  I am hoping to find another family member with more information or an account of how and why Charlotte came to America.  I can find no record of her transit. 
Title: Re: WYMER, Rev. Edward, Vicar of Westwick
Post by: lizdb on Thursday 08 April 10 16:23 BST (UK)
I cant see Martins death either ...nor a marriage of Charlotte Case to Thomas Steel

but this must be her in 1861
RG9 1396 67 17
1 Collaton Place Exeter
Thomas Steel 41 Saw and Bone Mill bn Stonehouse
Charlotte E 26 bn Norfolk(cant make out place)
Florence G 6mths bn Exeter
+ 2 servants
Title: Re: WYMER, Rev. Edward, Vicar of Westwick
Post by: lizdb on Thursday 08 April 10 16:33 BST (UK)
Possible

Marriage
Jul/Aug/Sep 1856
Aylsham Norfolk 4b 114
Charlotte Case

only one groom transcribed
Title: Re: WYMER, Rev. Edward, Vicar of Westwick
Post by: cmillerhamilton on Thursday 08 April 10 16:40 BST (UK)
yes, the 1861 Census is her:)  Charlotte and Thomas had three daughters, Florence Isabel 1860, Alice Gertrude Mary 1863, and Fanny Adeline 1864. 

I will follow up on the 1856 Charlotte Case - thx:)
Title: Re: WYMER, Rev. Edward, Vicar of Westwick
Post by: cmillerhamilton on Friday 09 April 10 17:54 BST (UK)
Just curious - opinions, please:)
I inquired at the Norfolk Studies Library and the best source they could provide was Norfolk Families by Walter Rye (no version given).  My research via Parish Registers, BMD and Census is a little different than Mr. Rye's.  Which sources would you regard more accurate?
Title: Re: WYMER, Rev. Edward, Vicar of Westwick
Post by: lizdb on Friday 09 April 10 18:34 BST (UK)
PR's BMD and census win every time.

Presumably 'Norfolk famlies' is a book written by this Walter Rye chap. What are the sources for what he has written? Peoples memories? Survivng documents? His own imagination?
Unless he can come up with survivng documents to support what he has said, then stick with what you have found from survivng documents.

But dont write off what he has to say without looking at it first. He may be a good historian.
Title: Re: WYMER, Rev. Edward, Vicar of Westwick
Post by: cmillerhamilton on Friday 09 April 10 19:20 BST (UK)
Whew...  I was only slightly worried all time spent on other sources was all for naught 8)  Amazing how many "books" have been put out there with erroneous info! 
Title: Re: WYMER, Rev. Edward, Vicar of Westwick
Post by: Richard SPC on Tuesday 13 April 10 22:19 BST (UK)
Hi All,

I have sent you an email on Facebook Cheri.

I too am related to Rev Wymer in that his daughter (Amelia Jane) married my Gt/Gt grandfather, Capt John Rodgers in March 1861. I have plenty of info relating to mainly the Rodgers side (of course) but also some re the Wymers.

I will have  a hunt through all my bits re the Wymers and re-post a few scans of photos.

Richard
Title: Re: WYMER, Rev. Edward, Vicar of Westwick
Post by: StewartA on Monday 28 February 11 16:26 GMT (UK)
I found your post while doing a search on my family tree. My gg grandfather is John Berney Petre his father Jack Petre my ggg grandfather is a Varlo and a name chame was  done to Petre. I have info posted on my website
Title: Re: WYMER, Rev. Edward, Vicar of Westwick
Post by: cmillerhamilton on Monday 28 February 11 20:04 GMT (UK)
Hi Stewart,
Thanks for the reply.  I will take a look at your website.  I appreciate the info:)
Cheri
Title: Re: WYMER, Rev. Edward, Vicar of Westwick
Post by: StewartA on Thursday 03 March 11 16:11 GMT (UK)
Cheri
I have a copy of the will of my gg grandfather John Berney Petre (Dated Jan.7 1875) and the Wymer family is listed in the will. My gg grandfather left money.... Fifty Pounds to Helen Lichtenstein Widow one of the daughters of the said late Reverend Edward Wymer and to Amelia Jane Rodgers widow another of the daughters of the said late Reverend Edward Wymer the sum of Fifty Pounds

To the said Amelia Rodgers the annual sum of Fifteen Pounds-To my cousin Charlotte Varlo Wymer the anual sum of Ten Pounds-To my cousin John Wymer the annual sum of Ten Pounds

There is also a Codicil to the last will (Dated Jan 4 1887)to the said Amelia Jane Rodgers the sum  of One Hundred Pounds and also the annual sum of Twenty Pounds

The whole will is 37 pages my grandmother had this done back in the 1950's when she was looking into money from her father the Petre family had left to his mother.(the other women in John Berney Petre had children with)

I will also send email of the 2 pages I copied to your gmail
Title: Re: WYMER, Rev. Edward, Vicar of Westwick
Post by: cmillerhamilton on Thursday 03 March 11 20:08 GMT (UK)
Thanks Stewart -
I didn't realize it but I have often seen at your website while searching at different times.  What a compelling scenario contained there, huh?  Wowza! 
Title: Re: WYMER, Rev. Edward, Vicar of Westwick
Post by: Richard SPC on Thursday 03 March 11 21:28 GMT (UK)
Hi Stewart,

Very interesting info there. I am Amelia's gt/gt grandson so this is all very good to see.

The Helen you name is in fact Helen Louisa Wymer who married Isidor Lichtenstein, a Russian clergyman in 1869.

This internet lark has proved so useful over the past couple of years for me, but especially over the last 12 months as thanks to Facebook I am now in touch with a distant cousin, Cheri.

I do have some info regarding the Berney/Petre families so will dig it out and email it to you.

Richard
Title: Re: WYMER, Rev. Edward, Vicar of Westwick
Post by: StewartA on Thursday 03 March 11 22:40 GMT (UK)
Would you like a copy of the will? I can scan it .
Title: Re: WYMER, Rev. Edward, Vicar of Westwick
Post by: cmillerhamilton on Thursday 03 March 11 22:42 GMT (UK)
Lichtenstein took over the post at St. Botolph's Westwick (oops! mixed up the two parishes) Ingham Church as curate when Rev. Edward Wymer left it.  Close knit society, I think:)  Not like us... spanning a couple of continents...  three cheers for the information highway!
Title: Re: WYMER, Rev. Edward, Vicar of Westwick
Post by: StewartA on Thursday 03 March 11 23:27 GMT (UK)
I have found enough proof John Beney Petre is my gg grandfather ..I have a copy of my great grandfathrs' BC naming him as the father and I also have a copy of the trustfund he setup for my gg grandmother to provide her and the children for the rest of thier lives.I was told in todays money it would be a about 1 million dollars year they would have to live on..I have included a picture of my gg grandmother ( She Looks Stunning) I just need to find one of my gg grandfather John Berney Petre
Title: Re: WYMER, Rev. Edward, Vicar of Westwick
Post by: richard wymer on Saturday 03 October 20 05:52 BST (UK)
I have a vast amount of information on the Rev Edward Wymer and his family and I would like to contact you. This is my first attempt of using rootschat
Title: Re: WYMER, Rev. Edward, Vicar of Westwick
Post by: cmillerhamilton on Saturday 03 October 20 18:58 BST (UK)
Hello Richard,
Thank you for getting in touch!  I would love to see/hear/read anything you've got.
Cheri
Title: Re: WYMER, Rev. Edward, Vicar of Westwick
Post by: richard wymer on Sunday 04 October 20 07:18 BST (UK)
Hi Cheri,
I noticed your interest about three years ago but could not figure out how this rootschat works. I tried for about four hours yesterday and I seem to have got through. I am a first cousin of the Rev. Edward Wymer five generations removed, so that probably makes us fourth cousins or thereabouts. I have been doing a one name study of the various Wymer families from the U.K. & particularly Norfolk for the last forty or more years, concentrating on the male lines except when some interesting occurrences occur. Just to clarify where I fit in, I am a direct descendant of Francis William Wymer who was the brother of Edward Wymer`s father George Wymer attorney of Reepham. My interest in Charlotte Elizabeth Steel nee Wymer is what happened to her eldest daughter Florence Genevieve or Isabel?. did she go to Florida with the others and when did they go or how long were they there before the 1880 census. From your last posts I don`t know if you are aware that Charlotte married for a third time on the 30th. Jan 1868 at St Nicholas Brighton, Sussex, England to Marshall Unett Gretton Charlotte was a widow [Steel] and her father was Edward Wymer Occupation cleric in holy orders. Marshall was a bankrupt first in 1862 and again in 1866. He appears in the Hampshire Telegraph He did not appear at his bankruptcy hearing in London on Friday the 16th, of November so it was adjourned without appointing a day for another hearing
Given that he did not turn up it is possible that he did a runner to Brighton to evade creditors.
There is no sign of them in England after 1868. Possibly he went to America with Charlotte and died there, but Charlotte`s reversion to her previous married name of Steel may suggest she was trying to dissociate herself from him. Or possibly any money Charlotte had would become his after the marriage and if he ran through that she possibly left him. Neither of them appear anywhere in the
U.K. in the 1871 census, so my thoughts are at least Charlotte and her girls went to America prior to that census. As to what happened to Marshall there has been no trace of him in the U.K. so far.
The date of Charlottes birth of 11 Aug. is probably right as she was baptized on the 23rd. But the year on find a grave of 1840 is wrong, she was born in 1833
Also the Rev Edward Wymer was married twice. After the death of Elizabeth Whaites he married the governess of his children Elizabeth Stevenson Toll and had two more children Edward George Wymer 1846- 1863 who was an apprentice on the merchant ship Sunda and died at Hobson Bay Melbourne, Australia and is buried at Williamstown Cemetery, and a daughter Laura b&d 1848.
I have a fair amount of info. on the Berney, Varlo, Petre and Westall families and would be most interested to know if the painting of the lady that was discussed in some of your earlier posts was painted by Richard Westall as he was related through marriage to the Wymer family and was the art tutor to Princess Victoria





Title: Amelia Jane Rodgers nee Wymer
Post by: richard wymer on Monday 05 October 20 05:45 BST (UK)
Hi Richard SPC,
I noticed your post of some years ago to Stewart concerning Amelia Jane Wymer who married John Rodgers. I am doing a one name study on the Wymer family and have a great deal of information on the Wymer family but I am having trouble finding the details of her passing. Could you help me out.
I am a direct descendent of Francis William Wymer who was the brother of the Rev Edward Wymers father.
Yours Sincerely
Richard
Title: John Berney Petre
Post by: richard wymer on Monday 05 October 20 07:17 BST (UK)
Hi Stewart,
I am doing a one name study on the Wymer family with connections to the Berney, Varlo and Petre
families and I have noticed your post with the portrait of Sussanah Childs and would like to know if it was painted by Richard Westall who was a Royal Acadamian and related via marriage to the Wymer
family.
Yours Sincerely
Richard
Title: Re: WYMER, Rev. Edward, Vicar of Westwick
Post by: Richard SPC on Monday 12 October 20 16:18 BST (UK)
Hi Richard, I am also related to Edward via Ameila. Amelia married Capt John Rodgers 1860. Had 4 kids. One sadly died young(Hugh). My gt grandfather Ernest Edward Whaites Rodgers.

I have been in touch with Cheri for some time now.

Are you UK based?

Regards

Richard
Title: Re: WYMER, Rev. Edward, Vicar of Westwick
Post by: richard wymer on Tuesday 13 October 20 06:12 BST (UK)
Hi Richard, I am a first cousin to Edward but five generations removed. Edwards father George of Reepham was the older brother to Francis William Wymer who was my ggg grandfather so we are probably 3rd. or 4th. cousins with a generation or so removed. I am based in Australia which makes research difficult and I have been doing a one name study on all of the Wymers from Norfolk and the rest of the UK for around the last 40 years off and on. I am always looking for items of interest to spice up my work which I plan to record in a book hopefully soon. I would be most interested in anything about John Rodgers. What I have at the moment was that he was born in Bombay with the date and his marriage to Amelia at Chelsea and he was in the 26th Regiment as a Captain.  I have nothing on his service life and Amelias death in 1911? or anything much on Amelias second husband Charles Woolley who was born abt 1830 married 1885 and died about 1900. I would be most gratefull for anything that you can help me with
and would be delighted to send anything you need on Edward Wymer and his family that I have,
My email address is      rwymer@hotmail.com

Kind regards
Richard
Title: Re: WYMER, Rev. Edward, Vicar of Westwick
Post by: Richard SPC on Tuesday 13 October 20 08:24 BST (UK)
Morning Richard,

Will dig out stuff I have and let you have it.

Richard
Title: Re: WYMER, Rev. Edward, Vicar of Westwick
Post by: richard wymer on Wednesday 14 October 20 12:10 BST (UK)
Thank you,
Looking forward to what you have.
Richard
Title: Re: WYMER, Rev. Edward, Vicar of Westwick
Post by: richard wymer on Monday 09 November 20 04:29 GMT (UK)
M[quote author=Richard SPC link=topic=449281.msg7043047#msg7043047 date=

Hi Richard spc
Did you find any stuff  on the Wymer Rodgers family
Richard Wymer