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Title: Efenechtyd Marriage Look up please
Post by: cnerys on Saturday 10 April 10 22:31 BST (UK)
I am trying to find a marriage between David Davies and a Catherine? , (both as far as I know are of Efenechtyd Parish),  possibly between 1820-1823. their first child Ellis Davies was born in 1823, his sister, my 3xgreat grandmother was born in 1828.

Many thanks
Regards
Nerys
Title: Re: Efenechtyd Marriage Look up please
Post by: Paul on Sunday 11 April 10 00:16 BST (UK)
I am trying to find a marriage between David Davies and a Catherine? , (both as far as I know are of Efenechtyd Parish),  possibly between 1820-1823. their first child Ellis Davies was born in 1823, his sister, my 3xgreat grandmother was born in 1828.

Many thanks
Regards
Nerys

Hello Nerys, I'll have a look for the marriage details :) do you have a name for your 3xgreat grandmother born 1828?

Paul.
Title: Re: Efenechtyd Marriage Look up please
Post by: cnerys on Sunday 11 April 10 08:53 BST (UK)
Hi Paul,
Thank you for the look up. my 3xGgrandmother's name was Hannah Davies, I think there were several children all from Efenechtyd. You might be able to help me with another quandry  ??? Hannah married a William BLOOR who is buried with his son in Efenechtyd Churchyard. Hannah died in the workhouse, with master of the workhouse being the informant on death certificate. What are the possibilities of Hannah also being buried in Efenechtyd, but in a pauper's grave? There is no mention of her on the headstone. Is this something I would need to get in touch with a warden of the Church perhaps?

Nerys
Title: Re: Efenechtyd Marriage Look up please
Post by: Paul on Monday 12 April 10 16:49 BST (UK)
Hi Nerys,

The only Marriage I could see around that time for a David Davies was to an Anne Jones in 1818.

I did find these baptisms for the children of David & Catherine Davies.
March 23 1823. Ellis. Abode, Cefn mawr. Fathers Occ, Labourer.
Aug 14 1825. Anne.    """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
April 1 1828. Hannah.   """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
May 15 1831. Martha.    """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

Anyother Idea where they might have married?

Paul.
Title: Re: Efenechtyd Marriage Look up please
Post by: cnerys on Monday 12 April 10 17:13 BST (UK)
Hi Paul,
That's great, thank you for those dates and names, the dwelling name is interesting too. I have no idea where else they could have married, though as far as I know David and Catherine aren't buried in Efenechtyd, which might be a clue in itself. I couldn't find them on the 1851 or 1861 census, so am assuming they're missing. Was Rhiw Chapel built at that time? I know of at least one Blore being buried in the Cemetery there, if so, would that come under Ruthin district? I'm going to be visiting my family in August, so looks like I'll have a long list of 'to do's whilst I'm there.
Many thanks for all your time, it's very much appreciated.

Nerys
Title: Re: Efenechtyd Marriage Look up please
Post by: cnerys on Monday 12 April 10 17:25 BST (UK)
Just a thought, if David Davies had been married before would it make a difference where he would have been allowed to re-marry? If it is the same David Davies who married Anne Jones in 1818 as mine who married Catherine, Anne must have obviously died, then I wouldn't have thought there would be a problem with another Church wedding. Just trying to cover all avenues.

Nerys
Title: Re: Efenechtyd Marriage Look up please
Post by: Paul on Monday 12 April 10 22:40 BST (UK)
I would have thought they baptised the children in the same church they married in :-\
I'll check the details of David & Ann's marriage, just in case

I forgot to say, I didn't have time to look in the burial records :(
I'll have a look for Hannah & Ann next time :)

Paul.
Title: Re: Efenechtyd Marriage Look up please
Post by: cnerys on Tuesday 13 April 10 19:55 BST (UK)
My mam has looked through the census again on Ancestry for Catherine Davies and has found her on the 1851. Her place of birth was noted as Bettws, Merioneth, which I assume is Bettws GG and not Efenechtyd as was indicated on the 1841 census, hence the problem with finding their marriage maybe. I'm not too familiar with the distances, is Efenectyd quite a way out from Bettws?
Many thanks
Best wishes
Nerys
Title: Re: Efenechtyd Marriage Look up please
Post by: Paul on Wednesday 14 April 10 22:55 BST (UK)
I couldn't see a marriage for David & Catherine In Bettws GG :( or a burial for Ann In Efenechtyd :( I forgot again to look for Hannah's burial :-[

I did get William Bloor & Hannah's marriage If you don't already have It :-\

Paul.
Title: Re: Efenechtyd Marriage Look up please
Post by: cnerys on Thursday 15 April 10 12:16 BST (UK)
Thanks for all your help Paul. I wonder where they married then  ???
I think I have the marriage cert for William and Hannah as that's how I found her father's name and also William's - turns out he's illegitimate but he named father Joseph on the marriage certificate. That was another puzzle for us to sort out !! Great stuff. The only family I know for sure that are buried in Efenechtyd are William Bloor, his son David and my auntie Jen who ran the Fox and Hounds in at Pwllglas. I'll have to see if there's a plan of the Cemetery available to look at unmarked graves.

Kind regards
Nerys
Title: Re: Efenechtyd Marriage Look up please
Post by: Paul on Tuesday 20 April 10 20:21 BST (UK)
Hello Nerys
 Efenechtyd burials.
David Blore. Old Gatehouse. Pwllglas. Jan 2 1888. Age 23 yrs.

William Bloor. Pwllglas. July 8 1893. Age 82 yrs.

Hannah Blore. Union Workhouse. Llanrhydd. July 22 1901. Age 82 yrs.

Paul.
Title: Re: Efenechtyd Marriage Look up please
Post by: cnerys on Tuesday 20 April 10 22:28 BST (UK)
Hello Paul,
Thank you for all your time and hard work  ;D  Does this mean that Hannah was buried within the grounds of the workhouse at Llanrhydd?

Best wishes
Nerys
Title: Re: Efenechtyd Marriage Look up please
Post by: cnerys on Tuesday 20 April 10 22:32 BST (UK)
 just re-read your message (I'm not very well tonight), Hannah died in the workhouse but is buried in Efenechtyd , is that what you meant?  David Blore died in mysterious circumstances in 1888 in Middlewich but his body was  returned to Efenechtyd for burial.
Title: Re: Efenechtyd Marriage Look up please
Post by: Paul on Tuesday 20 April 10 22:49 BST (UK)
All the burials are from Efenechtyd Parish Records :)

If Hannah Is buried in the Churchyard they should have grave records.
Might be worth a phone call Nerys.

I missed this one from my notes :-[ Another Efenechtyd burial.
Catherine Davies. Pwllglas. Dec 20 1872. Age 85 yrs. :-\

Paul.
Title: Re: Efenechtyd Marriage Look up please
Post by: cnerys on Tuesday 20 April 10 22:57 BST (UK)
Fantastic, thank you so much Paul. Finding Catherine is a bonus too. Funny how some people lived to a good old age. I'll definitely contact someone regarding grave records.

Best wishes
Nerys
Title: Re: Efenechtyd Marriage Look up please
Post by: Paul on Tuesday 20 April 10 23:04 BST (UK)
Fantastic, thank you so much Paul. Finding Catherine is a bonus too. Funny how some people lived to a good old age. I'll definitely contact someone regarding grave records.

Best wishes
Nerys

Let me know how you get on.