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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: g eli on Saturday 10 April 10 23:31 BST (UK)
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Trying to find out anything about Thomas Sully, the only fact I think I have is a marriage 18 Oct 1742 to Mary either Milners or Mellors in Arnold,they had at least one child Richard Sully born around 1762 in Arnold.
Liz
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Hi Liz
The Phillimores marriage index has it down as Mellers
On the Notts FHS baptism CD there are about 11 children baptised to Thomas & Mary, if you haven't got them let me know.
Carol
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Thanks Carol.
I don't have any of the other children,so I would be happy to have their names etc.
Liz
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Hello Liz ,
I live just down the road from Redhill cemetery I,m sure I,v seen Sully
grave stones in there. I often go for a walk round there,if you need any Sully,s looking for just let me know .Do you live in the Nottingham ,Arnold area?as the name Sully seems to be quite an important one.
Marie
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Also the name Mellors .Thers is a school called Robert Mellors.
Marie ;D
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Hi Liz
Here they are
Henry 3.10. 1743
Eliz 3.10.1743
Willm 22.11. 1745
Thos 6.5. 1748
John 9.9. 1751
Nathan 11.11. 1753
George 5.12. 1755
Mary 9.7. 1758
Joseph 6.7. 1760
Richard 24.1. 1762
Elizabeth 28.3. 1766
Willm, Joseph & Elizabeth were Sulley the others were all Sully
Carol
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Thanks Carol,the name seems to be spelled both ways, so not sure if they were different families,there seem to be a lot of Sullys around Arnold.Is it possible Henry And ELiz were twins both with same Christening and about 18 months after their marriage.
Marie thank you for your suggestion,if you happen to be in the cemetry,Elizabeth daughter of Thomas,between 1743-1766,any Thomas and Richard 1819.I live in Canada,and am not familiar with Arnold,where is the redhill cemetry.
Liz
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Hi Liz,
I will keep my eyes open ,will look in the old part .Redhill cemetery is about 5 mins walk from Arnold its self . There are also graves in st Marys church which is in Arnold its self. I often go to the Nottingham records office,just let me know if you want me to scout around in there for you.
Marie :)
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Thanks Marie,
I'll keep your offer in mind.
Liz
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Hi Liz,
From the research I've done on my husband's ancestors, in and around Nottingham, I know that many of the Sulley/Sully family were framework knitters. When baptisms are hard to find apprenticeship records may help.
They have apprenticeship details (with and an index of names) in the Notts Archives. These will tell you an approximate date of birth (apprenticeship ususally started at about the age of 14 and ended at the age of 21. The records will tell you who they were apprenticed to, and often the father's name, etc.
Hope this is of interest, and helps.
Paulene.
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Pauline,
just found your suggestions, somehow I missed your message.Very interesting idea,thank you
Liz
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Hi just to let you know I had not forgotten about my offer to look in Redhill
cemetery. I have got some Sully's for you ,but, have not found the one you are after . I will put them on Sunday September 26Th. I will check st Marys church
yard as there are a few graves there which are earlier. ;)
Marie
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Hi ,
Have not found Thomas ,but, here are sully,s from Redhill cemetery.
Sarah Ann wife of Joseph Sully ,Died 14 -2-1932 ,aged 81yrs
Joseph Sully, Died 22-2-1914
Joseph ,son ,Died 21-3-1885 aged 6 years.
May Sully, Died 31-3-1988 72yrs
husband ,Sidney Sully,Died 16-1-1995.
Charles Sully,Died 11-8-1924 aged 58yrs
William Charles Sully ,Died 1-11-1945 55yrs
Henry Sully ,Died 14-4-1891 59yrs.
John Sully, Died 25-3-1924
Sybil Sully,born 14-3-1921, Died 5-12-1922
also father,William Sully,born 11-4-1890,Died 16-5-1926
wife Beatrice Ethel,born 6-12-1887,died 2-4-1978.
George Sully,died 24-8-1910
Elizabeth Sully,died 12-7-1913.
William Sully,died 27-11-1917
Fanny Sully,died 20-1-1920
Elizabeth Sully,died 29-10-1953.
I hope these are of some help in the future.
Marie
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Thanks Marie for the information,a little later than I have got with the Sullys,but I am sure they must tie in somehow.I will keep on trying to move forward and back.
Liz
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Hi Liz, I went to Notts Record office this morning I do,nt know if these are any of yours but they are all Arnold . I looked at wills index .
Will of Thomas Sully 1741
Will of William Sully 1710
Will of Henry Sullly 1817.
I then looked at Apprenticeship Indentures ,these too are all Arnold.
Henry Sully aged 11 years F.K.W. (Framework knitter) to Richard Bishop 1830.
George Sully,aged 12 years ,F.W.K ,to Richard Bishop 1833.
I requested the Indenture of Nathan Sully to look at .
Indenture
24 February 1806.Church Wardens, Jonathan Newham,Mark Redgate,
of the Parish of Arnold and William Hickman also William Rhodes overseers of the poor of Nottingham do put and place Nathan Sully aged about 9 years or there abouts, a child of the Parish of Arnold apprentice to his Grandfather
John Sully of Arnold F.W.K.,untill the full age of twentyone years. John Sully shall teach him the art of a knitter.
I am going back next week would you like me to look at the Will of Thomas Sully 1741?.
Marie :D
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Thanks Marie, for the information,I think Ive found George And Henry,not sure about Nathan,there's a baptism for a Nathan about the right time bu father just given as Sully/ey.Nathan seems to be a popular name in the Sully family.
I would love to any more information from Thomas Sully 1741 will.
Liz
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Thanks for this info Marie
Like Liz i am also researching this family and would be interested to hear of the Thomas Sully will in 1741. I believe this may be associated with my Thomas Sully (1682-1743) who was buried 03/05/1743 in Arnold.
Regards
TB
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Hi, have also just come across these Sully/sulleys,in the History of Arnold.
The parish register:date 1641 Note-The poors moneywas this year increased by a gift of 40/- (forty shillings from Thomas Sulley and distributed on Chritmas Day 1683 by the church wardens and overseers.
Sully :There are some very old stones of this family ,which has been located in Arnold for more then 300 years.
According to the Report of the Charities Commission ,Notts ,1768 quoted in the returns of the Commissionners in 1839 there where then four charities for the school, and for the Poor , Bartholomew Fillingham,s (Thomas Sulley £2)
Thomas Cludd , of Arnold, Gent, married Alice ,daughter of Thomas Sulley , of Arnold on 22nd of April,1583. There were born to them Edward Cludd , Martha(who was baptised in 1602),Samuel who is stated to be 17 years old in 1614
, and probably other children.
Cricket
It would be well to note other Arnold worthies who played for their county (amongest other names it mentions Joseph Sully.
Bartholomew Fillingham.The Fillinghams seem to have been an Arnold family On November 16th 1599, Thomas Fillingham married Anne Sulley. Possibly Bartholomew descended from this union . He was a Puriton for in 1669 private meetings for religious worship were held once a week ,sometimes at the house of Richard Walker ,and sometimes at that of Mr Fillingham .
There also some referances to the name Mellors ,if you are intrested.
Marie.
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Thanks Marie
Very interesting. These predate my current research although will be food for thought going forward.
I would be interested to hear of the Mellors as whilst it may prove a bit early on the basis of the above info it should prove very interesting.
Regards
TB
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Hi ,
Notes on the Mellors name; Family Grave in st marys church to name of Mellors( no dates).
Mr R Mellors read a paper on the life of Mr Watson Fothergil before the Thoroton society in 1909.
The Arnold School Board held a special meeting,present Messrs.Mellors, Pemblton,Shirtcliffe,the Rev M J Truman,and Mr Spencer ,the clerk.Mr Frederick Fell , of Burnley , was appointed assistant -master ,and the British school being now crowded, it was desided to appoint Mr James Thomas Goder as an assistant -master until the Goverment Exination in November.
It was resolved to re-open the night schools for the winter season on October 8th ,for two nights per week ,at a fee of 1p .per week, and that to those pupils who passed the Goverment Examination in April last in two subjects, the fees for the forthcoming session be remitted. A committee was appointed to make further arrangments. It was agreed to have a tonic-sol-far singing class on Saturday evenings ,at a charge of one half penny per night,pupils
bringing thier own books , Mr Byford ,of Nottingham,to be invited to be the teacher. The arrangments for the Thursday evening art class were deferred. The Vicar having reported that the Daybrook National Infants school will be closed in November ,a Committee was appointed to confer with the teacher
, Miss Holmes, with a view to the continuance of the schools either in the present or in some other building untill the proposed new rooms at Daybrook will be ready.-Quoted from a Newspaper of September 7th 1878.
By arrangement made between the Vicar and Mr Robert Mellows ,acting as Chairman of the School Board ,1883, the premises were taken over by the Board on Mondays Tuesdays, Wednesdays ,and Thursdays ,from 9 in the morning untill 6 o clock in the evening ,and on Fridays from 9-45 for school purposes , the reason for the latter provison being that the trusts of the school premises required religious instruction to be given according to the principles of the Church of England. This arrangment was carried out so long as the School Board continued without any complaint or interference. The sum of £65 wa paid by the Board to the vicar for the purchase of the furniture and fittings.
More to follow ,Marie.
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Marie
Thank you for the information on the Mellors. Whilst these post-date my research it is clear that the family was well known in the area for a number of years.
Did you have an opportunity to look at the will of Thomas Sully in 1741? I am interested to see if that offers any leads in my research.
Thanks again.
TB
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I have an indenture from 1653 that mentions Henry Sulley the father of thomas sulley of Arnold, nottinghamshire. The indenture also mentions a Danyell Sulley but does not explain the relationship to Henry Sulley. Thomas Sulley married Alice Howett a distant relative of mine. Does anyone Have any of these Sulley's in their family tree?
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Hi Dave
I am sure that these must feature somewher in my tree. Do you know when Thomas Sulley, mentioned in the Indenture was born, as well as the marriage details to Alice Howett and details of their children?
Thanks in advance.
TB
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I have not yet discovered any details about birth or marriage dates. All I know is this; Henry Howett, Alice howetts father, made a will in 1653 and in it he leaves money to his daughter Alice (written Hales in the will) Sulley. Henry Howett does not mention any of Alices children but he mentions his two other daughters children so I believe that Thomas and Alice had not yet had children by 1653. The indenture says " Thomas Sulley and his new wife Alice" So apparently they were still considered newly married in 1653. I do not know when Thomas Sully or Alice Howett were born but I believe it was somewhere between 1610 and 1630 based on the birth and deaths of immediate relatives of Alice. Alice Howett was from Long Eaton Derbyshire England and the local parish in Sawley so they were probably married there but I have not seen a record of it.
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There is several Sulleys dating back to the 1500s on this link of Marriages at St Marys Arnold, I found it very useful.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/tomals/parish_register_of_arnold_marria.htm
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Thanks, I'll check out that link but I am unsure if I will find the marriage since the men usually married the women in the parish of the womans town and then would bring them to live in their town.
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Thanks for the information.
Much appreciated.
Regards
TB
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Hi, This is my first time on here so apologies if I'm not doing it right. Just wanted to respond to the message from Vowles.
Beatrice Ethel and William were my mothers parents, therefore my grandparents, if I can help with any enquiries about these I'd be happy to help.
I'm trying to go further back the Sulley line through George, Williams dad, who married Elizabeth Mellors, to his mum and dad who I think may be Henry, 1832-1891 and Ann ? his wife.
If anyone has any information about them I'd be grateful.
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Welcome. Sadly Vowles has not been active on here since 2010, so not certain you will get any reply from them.
Baptism Arnold
1 Aug 1832 Henry son of William & Ann Sulley father a FWK
Marriage Arnold
21 Dec 1854 Henry Sulley and Ann Lambert
Baptisms Arnold, parents Henry & Ann father a FWK
4 May 1856 Mary Ann
20 Nov 1859 George ( Mothers maiden surname on GRO Lambert)
21 Jun 1861 Sarah
28 Mar 1863 William
Parents Henry Sulley & Ann Lambert (pre marriage)
20 Jun 1849 Elizabeth
18 Dec 1850 Joseph
8 Jan 1853 George buried as George LAMBERT 11 Jan 1853 aged 7 wks
Hope this is a help.
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Thank you so much.
This does help to tie up a few ends, much appreciated :)