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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Perthshire => Topic started by: bleckie on Monday 12 April 10 22:44 BST (UK)
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Hi All
I have a copy of
THE REGISTERS OF BAPTISMS OF THE EPISCOPAL
CHURCH, Muthill, Perthshire. A.D. 1697-1847.
if anyone needs a look up give me a couple of day's and I will get back to you
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Hi,
Thanks for your kind offer, Bruce.
I'd be interested to know if it is this church that has the baptism of Janet Sharp on 5 Jan 1756, d/o Andrew Sharp & Isobel Murray, and, if so, if there is any other information.
The IGI has 2 other children to Andrew and Isobel at Muthill - 1750 Andrew, 1753 James - but then it gets confusing as there are then 3 children to Andrew Sharp & Janet Murray (1758 William, 1761 Robert, 1764 Margaret).
If you can tell me anything to lift my confusion, I shall be most grateful!!
Jill
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Hello Bruce,
Can I put in a request too?
I'm looking for a William Robertson who was born around 1785 in Muthill.
If you can find the record and the name of his parents for me please.
Thanks
Wilton Endeavour
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Hi Jill
Here are the ones you were looking for
Andrew son of Andrew Sharp and Isobel Murray in Wester
Drummawhance born July 25. 1750
Jan. 25. Janet daughter of Andrew Sharp and Isobel Murray in
Hillhead of Machany parish of Blackford born Jan 15 1756
May 29. James son of Andrew Sharp and Janet Murray in Wester
Drummawhance born May 27. 1753
Sept. 10. William son of Andrew Sharp and Janet Murray in Billhead
of Machany parish of Blackford born 1758 (I suspect this is a spelling error and should be Hillhead of Machany)
May 31. Robert son of Andrew Sharp and Janet Murray in Woodhead
of Machany, parish of Blackford born May 28. 1761
June 13. Margaret daughter of Andrew Sharp and Janet Murray in
Woodhead of Machany, parish of Blackford born June 10. 1764
Hope this helps you
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Hi Wilton
There is no William Robertson born around the time you are looking at.
There is a family in Muthil at the time: William Robertson and Rachel Ross but no William born to them.
I checked the IGI using parent search on the above still no William
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Thanks for trying Bruce. It was worth a try as it said Muthill on his birth certificate. But it could have been Comrie or anywhere in Perthshire going by myself and Duncan on trying to find his relatives.
yours
Wilton Endeavour
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Hi Bruce,
Thanks for confirming those + the extra info.
Can I ask, is the mother of James (1753) definitely down as Janet rather than Isobel?
I was thinking it looks like I need to look for a possible death for Isobel Murray c. 1757 but if James is Janet's son, then they must be 2 separate couples as the baptisms for the couples overlap. ???
Jill
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Hi Jill
What I have given you above is a direct copy and paste from the register,
Hope this helps.(for what it's worth I think this is one family but hey what do we know) ???
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Hi Wilton
I checked the IGI again there is a William Robertson born 30th Sept 1790 to John Robertson and Janet McEwen in Muthill.
You should be able to obtain this one one www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
Pay per view (£6.00)
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Hi Bruce,
Many Thanks for your kind offer.
Would you mind having a look for anything relating to Peter McEwan and Janet McNab. They were married at Muthill on 10 March 1799. My 3x GGrandmother, Margaret McEwan was born around 1801, but I have nothing on an exact date or on any siblings.
Many Thanks,
Christine.
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Hi Christine
I am at work at the moment if you can leave this until later tonight I will I think be able to take your McEwan's back a few generations as I have the same family.(I Think from memory)The McEwan's were all apart from 1 baptised in the Church of Scotland.
The McEwan's I have started with Isabella marrying one of my McDonald ancestors in 1844 at Blackford and then coming back to Muthill.The McEwan's I am on about had been living in and around Muthill since the early 1600s mostly around Machany. By the way a couple of generations earlier your Peter was actually Patrick.If you send me an email I will send you what I have regarding the McEwan's from Muthill.
speak to you later
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Thanks for that Bruce,
will inform Duncan of the date of 30th September 1790. As he has a SP account.
And at least it gives us the parents to work back on.
Wilton Endeavour
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Evening Bleckie. I am a Comrie who has spent the last year ( seems longer!)researching my family tree on my fathers side of the family. I have records of many Comrie both births and marriages in Muthill ,dating back to 1781. I would be very interested to establish if there are any Comries recorded on the files that you hold. Can you help? I am particularly intersted in the following=-
Peter Comrie b.6/5/1781 Muthill ( My ggg rand fathehr) shoemaker.
James Comrie (Conon) 19/8/1746 Muthill (my ggggrandfather tailor
Alexander Comrie (Conon) 26/4/1724 Cranston (???)
Alex Comrie b.Nov 1704
John Comrie (Conon) b about 1680 ( my oldest descendant???)
Any information would be very happily received. Best wishes. Picamarra
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Hi Picamarra
I am sorry there are none of the names that you have listed in the register
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Hello Bruce have just seen your offer of look up. I have visited Muthill a few times to visit the little museum there but have never managed to find it open. The name I looking at is Faichney or Fechnie or similar I know there were some in Muthill in past years but do not know if any in Episcopal Church. Would be really grateful if you could have a look.
Many thanks Ann
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Hi Ann
Can you send PM as there are to many to post here.
James son of James Faichney and Margaret Richard in
Knappilands born Jan11.
May 2. Jean daughter of James Faichney and Margaret Richard in
Knappielands born May 2
Dec. 14. Jean daughter of Alexander Faichney and Helen Gardner
in Lead Machany born Dec 12.
All the Above are 1742 this is the first one's and they are listed up until 1834
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Faichney is a name still found about here in Strathearn . The most famous Faichneys were of course the sculptors whose incredible stone has been moved inside the chapel at Innerpeffray ( used to be Muthill parish ).
Col frae Crieff
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Bruce,
Sorry, I've taken so long to respond, life can bet in the way and be a nuisance.
Well........ I didn't expect this. I thought you might be able to take me one step further, not a whole century. Many, Many, Many Thanks. :o
I will PM you my e-mail address and in the meantime, I will immerse myself in what you've given me so far.
Christine.
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Hi Bruce,
Many Thanks for your kind offer.
Would you mind having a look for anything relating to Peter McEwan and Janet McNab. They were married at Muthill on 10 March 1799. My 3x GGrandmother, Margaret McEwan was born around 1801, but I have nothing on an exact date or on any siblings.
Many Thanks,
Hi Bruce...Im a bit interested in the info you may have provided to Christine Re - Janet McNab..?
Sorry to be greedy but I am interested in any McNabs from Muthill - I have a direct connection to John McNab & Janet Clark had 9 children, Helen, Betty, Margaret, Alexander, John, Janet, William, Ann and her twin Isabella some possibly registered at Muthill 1800 - 1830's.
Yours in hope that someone has returned your generosity...if you need any Australian info let me know...
Christina McNab
Christine.
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Hi Christine
If you send me PM with your email address I will send you list
there are 16 McNab's on the register from 1800 until 1830 to many to list here.
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Hi Bruce, I have a Peter Fisher married Christian Gowans in 1822 in Muthill. Peter was supposed to be born in Monzie but cannot find any Fisher names there. He was born about 1798.
Could you have a look for me please, Annie
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Hi Annie
Below are the only Fisher's in the register
Feb. 28. Elizabeth daughter of John Fisher and Mary Burney born
Jan 11.1808
Aug. 10. At Dunira Anna Maria daughter of George James Fisher
and Rachel Barclay at Dunira Comrie Parish born
July 24.1814
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Thank you for those names Bruce, I was looking for a George Fisher at one time only because there was a George working with Peter Fisher at Cultoughy, Gilmerton. Anyway I will keep looking for Peter, Annie.
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Hi Annie
Have you seen this from freecen 1841 census
Piece: SCT1841/386 Place: Muthill -Perth Enumeration District: 5
Civil Parish: Muthill Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 4 Page: 1
Address: Culticheldoch
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
MCEWAN John M 25 Ag Lab Perth
MCRAW Thomas M 35 Ag Lab Perth
GOW George M 18 Ag Lab Perth
DRUMMOND William M 13 Ag Lab Perth
FISHER Peter M 18 Ag Lab Perth
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Hi Bruce, No I didn't see that but my Peter Fisher was in Clarkston, Lanarkshire, Scotland in 1841, my ancestor son Peter born 1838 and next child Thomas was born in 1842 in Lanarkshire so the family moved from Perthshire round 1840. Family then moved to Dalry, Ayrshire, then to Adrossan, Ayrshire.
Father Peter born 1798 died in 1855, stating his parents were John Fisher & Margaret Robertson, but we have got nowhere with them either. About 4 John Fisher married Margaret Robertson but they are either too young or too old. Story handed down is that Peter was a foundling, well he is going to end up a foundling as we have spent about 10 years looking for him.
Thank you for your input, Annie
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Hi Annie
Silly question time
Have you checked out the christian name "Patrick" as I discovered to my cost "Patrick" and "Peter" were often interchanged in Highland Perthshire at this time especially around Muthill and Comrie.
I spent a good few years looking for a Peter McEwan and someone else found it for me he was in the OPR's as Patrick.
Just a Thought
good luck
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Hi Bruce, Not a silly question, I had looked at Patrick a long time ago and recently got a list of all the Peter Fishers in Perthshire, thought I would check them all out. Didn't think again about Patrick, so have put that on my list next. We will try anything, thanks for reminding me, Annie
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Hope you don't mind me adding a link here for people who might be interested in Muthill and other areas near hand
http://caledonianconnections.com/1832MuthillRElectoralRoll.aspx
There are 1832 electoral roles, and poorhouse list. It is an interesting collection for the Muthill and surrounding area
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Thank you Lemon Kelly, I had looked at this website, it is very good, but my Peter Fisher was by then living in Gilmerton, went to Monzie Church, and I can't find Gilmerton which was owned by the Maxtone families who built Gilmerton village. We have tried to get the Maxtone papers and have one disk but there is no tenants listed. Peter is mentioned on the "Builders of Cultoughey" list who worked there.
Thank you again, Annie
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Hi annie
are you looking for Gilmerton village itself if so link below
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=gilmerton+perthshire&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=13.283564,39.418945&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Gilmerton,+Crieff,+Perthshire,+United+Kingdom&ll=56.421023,-3.806591&spn=0,0.15398&t=h&z=13&layer=c&cbll=56.391176,-3.806537&panoid=fEUejjv7Oub9w8RJHOpypw&cbp=12,6.15,,0,12.18
Monzie church is the one uphill due north on map approx 500metres
yours aye
BruceL
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Hi BruceL, Yes, I know where Gilmerton is, visited there in 2006, but I thought that there would be tenants lists/books/etc, because they had moved before 1841 census. The website re 1832 lists do not have Gilmerton on there. I sent an e-mail but didn't get a reply.
So, I assumed that the Maxtone family may have had a list of tenants.
Peter Fisher always stated he came from Monzie, but there is no births for Peter there.
Don't know where to try next, thanks, Annie
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Hi Annie
The National Archives of Scotland have ref GD155
Papers of the Maxtone Graham Family of Cultoquhey, Perthshire
http://www.nas.gov.uk/onlineCatalogue/
Yours Aye
BruceL
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The church building shown on the Google map is not Monzie Church but Monzie Free Church built in 1869 and is now a house . Monzie Parish Church ( the parish church )is in Monzie village about 2 miles north west of Gilmerton beside what is termed locally the "Roman Bridge " ( actually a 17th century pack bridge ).The old road to Perth went up the hill thro'Fowlis Wester . Gilmerton was created when the present road line was created after the Toll Pike Acts in the early 19th century and the low lying boggy ground was drained into the Pow.
Col
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Anste .Sorry missed your e mail re my 1832 Electoral Roll Site .There was this entry
Alexander Fisher , residenter , tenant , farm , Glouroirem
Had a quick look at Stobies/Thomson's map but could not locate " Glouroirem " . Currently transcribing the Ochtertyre Rent Roll for this period and will keep an eye open for Fishers .The northern part of the Parish was mainly owned by the Murrays of Ochtertyre not the Maxtones .
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(http://)
Monzie Kirk
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Hi Col, Did not know there had been two Churches, on my visit in 2006 I visited the one in the picture. We had thought that the Church had burnt down or something and rebuilt. Will note your information, also re the Murrays, as I think over the years we have been led astray. Not that it might help much to find Peter but adds to his story.
No Alexander Fisher that we know of are connected. They had a Janet and a Thomas named as their children and they were not on the Gowans side so far.
Thank you again for this information it gives us another lead.
Hi Bleckie, Have a disk of the Maxtone Graham family, nothing on it to help us with the Fishers. But, previously they had sent us the lists of the Builders and Peter is on there. Peter was a Stonebreaker.
Annie
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Hi BruceL
Can you tell me if the name Sorely (var. Sorlie, Soreley) appear on your list please.
Rapunzel :)
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Hi BruceL, It certainly does, Peter Fisher married Christian Gowans, her parents were James Gowans and Isabel Sorlie (spelt in different variations). Have not been able to find her parents but the children were christened in a Perth Church. Annie
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Sorry Rapunzel, Thought I was being asked the question, Annie
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Hi Rapunzal
All Sorley's in the Muthill register there are no other spelling variations.
JOHN HEPBURN lawful son to David Hepburn and Janet Sorley in
the parish of Blackfoord was born the 15th of March and Baptised the
20th of ye sd month 1699
JOHN SORLEY lawful son to John Sorley and Janet Richart in
Struthill was born the i4h day of Septr and Baptised the same day
1701.
JOHN SORLEY lawful son to John Sorley and Janet Richart in
Struthill was born the i4h day of Septr and Baptised the same day
1701.
THOMAS SORLEY lawful son to John Sorley and Janet Richart in
Struthill was born the I7h day of febrie and Baptised the 2Sh day of ye
sd month 1704.
Mar. 14. Beatrix daughter to Lucas Sorley and Margret Black in
caster Drummawhance born March 14. 1705
Nm>. 28. Patrick son to Dugald Campbel and Emilia Sorley in the
hillhead of Machany born Nov 26.1729
Dec. 12. Catharin daughter to Dugald Campbel and Emilia Sorley
in Hillhead of Machany born Dec 11. 1731
Jan. 20. Margret daughter to Dugald Camphel and Emilia Sorley
in hillhead of Machany horn Jan 19. 1734
Aug. 23. At North Gate Amelia daughter of George M°Ritchie and
Ann Sorley at North gate of Strathallan House Blackford
Parish born July 31 1824
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Thanks a million Bruce - a step forward. Unfortunately the main one I'm looking for - Christian Sorely - doesn't appear :(
I see that Annie also has a Sorlie (also with different spellings) in her research who doesn't appear on your list either. I have had many examples of haphazard recording of births, it must have depended a lot on when the parents registered a birth and how dedicated the recorder was in entering it.
I'd be very grateful for another check if you have time. This time of the France, McCurrich or Duncan families. They all lived in or around Blackford and intermarried.
Rapunzel :)
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Hi Rapunzel
The ones I have just given you are from the following
THE REGISTERS OF BAPTISMS OF THE EPISCOPAL
CHURCH, Muthill, Perthshire. A.D. 1697-1847.
and not the established Church of Scotland.
The following appears in the introduction to the book:
The Muthill Church Registers hold, however,
a position distinct from the ordinary parish books : they
belonged to the Episcopalian congregation which has existed
in Muthill ever since the Revolution of 1688 and the consequent
disestablishment of the Episcopal Church. For many years
after their commencement they appear, however, to have been
the most used if not the only register in the parish,* this
may be accounted for by the fact that most of the people
seem to have continued faithful to the Church favoured by the
Stuarts, just as they remained loyal to that family in its exile.
They were the better able to retain their own opinions as the
Drummonds, the feudal lords of the district, were noted for
their devotion to James II. and his descendants. The narrative
of the ordination of the Rev. William Haly shows that
a most remarkable state of affairs existed in the parish. The
parish minister at the Revolution was the Rev. James Irvine.'f
In 1689 James Inglis was presented by the patron the Earl of
Perth, and was deprived in 1693 for not praying for the reigning
sovereigns William and Mary. He remained in the parish
as minister of the Episcopalian congregation till his death,
October 24, 1732. Though deprived in 1693, his successor Mr
Wm. Chalmers was not appointed till 1702. He was translated
from Monzie, whither he returned the following year, finding,
we may venture to suppose, that Muthill was not a bed of
roses. Concerning his successor we will quote Fasti Ecclcsice
Scoticaii(Z\:—"William Haly A.M. acquired his degree at the
University of Edinburgh 28 June 1697 Licenced in 1703,
called by the Presbytery, jure devolnto 23 May the parishioners
having refused to do so and was ordained (in the churchyard,
the church being retained by the intruder [the Rev. J. Inglis])
3rd Aug 1704 So great was the opposition to the Presbytery ' at
his settlement that the populace armed with swords and staves
occupied the churchyard, guarded the doors of the church, and
refused admission either to him, or his co-presbyters, who were
assailed with stones, even in that sacred place.' He got admission
to the church however, 20 March 1705, and ingratiated
himself so much afterwards in the affections of his hearers that
an awakening, or revival, took place among them in 1742 when
not a few were brought to the knowledge of the truth. He died
16 July 1754, aged about 77 in the 5oth year of his ministry."
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Hi Rapunzal
The IGI
http://www.familysearch.org
Have the following:
Christian Sorley Christening 19 Apr 1807 Comrie Perth
Christian Sorley Marriage 07 Dec 1832 Auchterarder Perth
Christian Sorley Mattiage 27 Apr 1831 Monzie Perth
Christian Sorley Marriage 23 Nov 1688 Muthill Perth
Christian Sorley Marriage 11May 1812 Kinnoul Perth
The above are all extracted records
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Thank you very much for what you've done Bruce and for the tips given - it's a pity I can't do something in return - other than say thanks.
Rapunzel :) :)
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Hi Rapunzel
Your welcome, that's what I like about this site everyone helps everyone else
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Hi Bruce
I am interested in the McEwen info. I have John McEwen married Eliza Christian Gardiner 27 July 1832 They had a large family all born Muthill. 1851 census at Westertown, 1841 at Drumdowie (looks like) They went to Edinburgh later. I would be interested in any thing you might locate. I have just begun looking at this family for a friend. Would appreciate any info
Best wishes Pauline (Australia)
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Hi Pauline
Sorry there is nothing in the episcopal register for this couple.
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Hi Pauline
This is from freecen note spelling
Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
MCEWAN John M 30 Farmer Perth
MCEWAN Eliza F 29 Perth
MCEWAN Isabel F 9 Perth
MCEWAN Mary F 7 Perth
MCEWAN Duncan M 5 Perth
MCEWAN Jane F 1 Perth
MCEWAN Alexander M 20 Ag Lab Perth
MCLEISH William M 20 Ag Lab Perth
MCARA James M 13 Ag Lab Perth
GRAY Dinah F 16 Female Servant Perth
This is indeed from Drumdowie
Could this be john's parents
Duncan McEwan and Mary Ann Malloch ( John born 9th Jun 1810 in Muthill)
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Thanks Bruce. That is the family. Spelling does vary.
Pauline
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Hi Bruce,
Just read your post on the Muthill Episcopal Baptism registry. Is it to late to request a search? We are new to Rootschat and are fumbling our way through. We are searching for a baptism for Janet Paton abt. 1690 - 1710 at Muthill. Also, a William Kettle, around about the same time. They were married and we know they had three children baptised at Muthill Episcopal Church from 1720 on. We have no other details. We would very much appreciate any info you may find.
Thank you
Cheers,
Teresa and Jeannette
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Hi
All that is listed in the Muthill Register regarding William Kettle and Janet Paton
Oct. 24. Ann daughter to William Kettle and Janet Patone in parkgate
in the Parish of Ochterardor born Oct 21.1716
Sept. 6. Andrew son to William Kettle and Janet Paton in Park
Yatt of Kincairn born Sep 1 1724
Aug. 16. Isobel daughter to William Kettle and Janet Paton in Park
Yett of Kincairn in the Parish of Blackfoord born Aug 13.1726
Below is taken from the preface of the book
We need not therefore be surprised if he invited over
Flemish weavers, or at meeting with Flemish names in the
district. J The most notable of these are Kettle, Pundler, Stein,
Clow, Hally (Halle), Frizall, Clemmet, and Houbron, &c. There
are, however, many others which are also common in Fifeshire,
where Flemish names abound, and may therefore have the same
origin.
* In some cases this has been clone since the volume has been in my hands. —EJ.
t Account of Lord Hit^h Treasurer of Scotland, \. p. 258.
{ As early as 1596 Highland districts were " pacified " and civilised by the introduction
of artisans from the Lowland burghs. See Records of Convention of Royal Burghs.
Xii PREFACE.
It is a singular fact that one of the members of the Kettle
family migrated to Doune, where he and his descendants were
long known as pistol-makers ; a Fleming—John Kettle, gunmakcr
in London in 1618—came to England with others of that name.
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Hi Bleckie.
Back in April you kindly searched the Muthill register for several of my Comrie anscestors. I had no luck unfortunately. Could you please tell me now, are there any Comries recorded in the Register? Best wishes. Picamarra.
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Hi Picamarra
There are 26 comrie baptisms in the register i you send me an email address I will forward on to you there are to many to post here
Yours Aye
Brucel
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Hi Picamarra
email on it's way
good luck
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Received with thanks. picamarra
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Hi Bruce,
I am searching for information about the birth of James Stewart (c1843) son of James Stewart and Mary Drummond. also the death of James Stewart (father) between 1842 (aprox) and 1851.
Census material says that James jnr. was born in Muthill and by 1851 Mary was living in muthill with a second husband - John Milne.
Thanks a lot
Moragb
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Hello Bruce,
Is there still a chance for you to have a look for the following Baptisms.
John Drummond b 22.11.1796. His father was John as well but there is a bit of a difference in family as to his mothers name and whether he was the John Drummond who married May McGregor sometimes written as Marjory. Look forward to your responce.
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Hi Scoobie2010
The book I have is the Episcopalian register of baptisms which only contains details of the episcopalian baptisms not Church of Scotland.
As for your enquiry there are no Drummonds listed for 1796. There are only 7 baptisms in total for 1796.
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Thankyou for responding to my request.
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G'Day Bruce,
Hope I'm doing this correctly. I've begun to trace my paternal line which appears to end in the Muthill region.
I'm a direct descendant of Alexander Tainsh who married Janet McGregor - Alexander was born 1785 and his parents were James Tainsh and Janet McEwan . I'm getting a wee bit stuck from here on in and was hoping you could have a look at your document and perhaps see if the line continues back?
Regards
JT
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Hi Bigjocky
I am at work but will have a look through the book later
Tainsh and certainly McEwan were common names in Muthill I have McEwans in my own family
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Onya Champ look forward to your advice - who knows we may be related!
JT
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Hi JT
I am sorry there is nothing in the register with the names you have given me.
If you do a parent search in the IGI it gives children born within both families and they are extracted entries. It may give you an idea as to naming pattern and enable you to search backwards, there are earlier tainsh, tansh families in Muthill and surrounding area's
Good Luck
Yours Aye
BruceL
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G'Day Bruce,
Thanks for making the effort I've only been doing this for a couple of days but I'll plod on. Would you mind telling me what the IGI is?
Cheers
JT
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Hi JET
The IGI is the International Genealogical Index on
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Thanks for the info Bruce - I knew it was going to be a bit of a bugger from here on in lol.
regards
JT
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Hi JT
Do you have the siblings from both sets of parents.
If you get them from the IGI you can then look at the original documents on.
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
a pay per view site perhaps parents would be listed and give you a better understanding
Yours Aye
BruceL
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G'Day Again Bruce,
I've basically been focusing on my direct line through my da, his dad, etc via marriage and Birth certs that I've accessed on the site you mentioned which has got me to James and Janet mcEwan.
Interestingly the other site you advised me of has a bit more info and I can find a Tainshe who bore a son James back in 1614 which might lead on a bit back to my James - frustrating but worth perservering with.
I know that the james who married Janet McEwan had a father called James and I understand that records may have been destroyed and that Muthill was subjected to some burning etc so i'll just keep plodding.
Thanks for all your advice it's been very helpful and I'll try your suggestion.
Cheers
JT
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Hi
Wonder if theres any info re the Mcara family in the registers specifically children of Duncan McAra and Isobel Alice/Ellis or parents of same
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Hi mcmcara
I didn't get notified of this post for some reason am at work at the moment will have a look through the book later
yours aye
Brucel
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Hi mcmcara
I have had a look through the book there is nothing for the details that you have listed. (What dates are we looking at)
The further back you go McAra becomes McAree (I have also tried this in the book lots of them but none that you have asked for)
Maybe worth a try
Yours Aye
BruceL
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I have traced my husbands line back to Peter McAra born 22 jan 1809 died 23 Jan 1897, according to his death cert his parents were Duncan Mcara and Isobel Ellis married 1807 Monzie , I have also traced two of his siblings Duncan 1817 and James 1820. according to some sources Duncans parents were Andrew Mcara and Anne or Agnes Tansh but I do not think this is the correct Duncan as neither Andrew or Agnes appear as family names in later generations.
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Hi mcmcara
Have you checked the Peter McAra born 22/01/1809 in the Parish of Monzie Perth on
www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk This is the only Peter McAra born between 1805 and 1814.
This should give you parents name. The OPRs from this period in this area are not to bad.
The book I have is the Episcopalian Register of births.
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Sorry Ive taken so long to reply - Peters parents are Duncan McAra and Isobel Alice married 6th Dec 1807,Monzie. If Peter was their eldest son then there is a good chance that his grandfather was also Peter McAra, names for two other siblings are John and Duncan , Ive found a will for John Alice dated 1813, possibly Isobels father.
Mcmcara
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Only 3 showing on the IGI though I bet there are more!
Peter 22 Jan 1809 Baptism/Christening Place: MONZIE,PERTH,SCOTLAND
Duncan birth 25 Mar 1817 AUCHTERARDER,PERTH,SCOTLAND
James birth 13 Apr 1820 AUCHTERARDER,PERTH,SCOTLAND
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Have those three, dont have any girls though. Just discovered that parents of Duncan were Patrick/Peter McAra and Shusan McAra, Shusan the daughter of Anne Tansh and Andrew Mc Ara born 15 July 1759 Monzie. Patrick/Peter would have to have been the son of a Duncan to have named his first son Duncan. any suggestions?
Mcmcara
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Hi mcmcara
From www.familysearch.org
Father: Andrew Mcara, Mother: Ann Tainsh
ANNE MCARA - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 25 DEC 1757 Monzie, Perth, Scotland
2. MARY MCARA - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 04 AUG 1755 Monzie, Perth, Scotland
3. JANET MCARA - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 03 SEP 1749 Monzie, Perth, Scotland
4. PATRICK MCARA - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 02 FEB 1752 Monzie, Perth, Scotland
5. MARGARET MCARA - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 19 APR 1747 Monzie, Perth, Scotland
6. SUSAN MCARA - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 15 JUL 1759 Monzie, Perth, Scotland
7. DUNCAN MCARA - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 25 DEC 1761 Monzie, Perth, Scotland
8. ANDREW MCARA - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 27 JUL 1764 Monzie, Perth, Scotland
9. JOHN MCARA - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 04 NOV 1767 Monzie, Perth, Scotland
Also
Father: Peter Mcara, Mother: Susan Mcara
MARY MCARA - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 11 JAN 1801 Monzie, Perth, Scotland
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Tried the 1841 census for Duncan and Isobel also Peter, Duncan and James but no joy. Possibility of name variations or a move. You really need to find them on the earliest census to find out if there were other children.
Do you know where or if they migrated to from Perth?
http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Could this have been a second marriage for Duncan? I found a slightly earlier one in Muthil to Catherine McCraw only 3 children all in the 1790's [that Duncan McAra was possibly the one born in 1760's to Andrew and Ann] she could have died and he could have remarried.
Scrub that I think this Duncan's father is Peter/Patrick.
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Have those three, dont have any girls though. Just discovered that parents of Duncan were Patrick/Peter McAra and Shusan McAra, Shusan the daughter of Anne Tansh and Andrew Mc Ara born 15 July 1759 Monzie. Patrick/Peter would have to have been the son of a Duncan to have named his first son Duncan. any suggestions?
Mcmcara
Where did you get that information from, death cert? Is there a reference for the information so you can verify it?
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Duncan McAra m Catherine McCraw 22 JUL 1792 Fowlis Wester, Perth, Scotland or 21 JUL 1792 Monzie, Perth, Scotland banns called in both parishes. This Duncan's father was probably Peter/Patrick.
children
MARY MCARA Female Christening: 22 JUL 1792 Monzie, Perth, Scotland
PETER MCARA Male Christening: 08 SEP 1793 Monzie, Perth, Scotland
ELISABETH MCARA Female Christening: 07 JUN 1795 Monzie, Perth, Scotland
MARGARET MCARA Female Christening: 08 JAN 1797 Monzie, Perth, Scotland
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Did your Peter 1809 marry either Catherine Soutar or Isabella Steel by any chance?
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Marriage Patrick McAra = Shusan McAra 23 AUG 1778 Monzie, Perth, Scotland
No children listed before Mary 1801 to Peter and Susan McAra *if* this is the same Peter/Patrick and Susan.
I think you may need to consider getting the microfilm and going through it yourself as there are so many mistranscrptions of the name.
Maybe this is one
John Macura
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 19 Jan 1787
Baptism/Christening Place: MONZIE,PERTH,SCOTLAND
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We can trace my husbands family straight back to Duncan Mcara and Isabel Alice, its after that that things get a bit complicated. I think what may have happened is that Patrick and Shusan were cousins, maybe their grandfathers were siblings, this meant that they have the same naming pattern in the male line. Shusan had a brother Duncan born 25 Dec 1761, I believe he has been confused with his nephew Duncan, son of Patrick /Peter and Shusan who maried Isobel Alice. This would make sense as the Isabel name has carried through but not Anne/ Agnes (female names change more often than males as the new wife will always introduce new female names and if there are mainly sons born a name can disappear in a generation)
Patrick and Shusans marriage is on the www.family search website
Duncan McAra m Isabel Alice 6th Dec 1807
Peter McAra m Isabelle Steele 1832 Perthshire
William McAra m Grace Watson 31st Dec 1858 Perth
Duncan McAra m Mary Toal 16th Nov Dublin Ireland
Duncan J McAra m Elizabeth Brown 1939 London my husbands grandparents
Mcmcara
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I think what may have happened is that Patrick and Shusan were cousins, maybe their grandfathers were siblings, this meant that they have the same naming pattern in the male line. Shusan had a brother Duncan born 25 Dec 1761, I believe he has been confused with his nephew Duncan, son of Patrick /Peter and Shusan who maried Isobel Alice. This would make sense as the Isabel name has carried through but not Anne/ Agnes (female names change more often than males as the new wife will always introduce new female names and if there are mainly sons born a name can disappear in a generation)
If they were siblings they would have different names and so their sons would have a different naming pattern.
ie even if both named their first son Patrick/Peter after their father the second son would be named after their spouse's father then for example Duncan's 3rd son would be Duncan and Peter's third son would be Peter would they not?
Have you traced which fathers the two cousins had, back to their fathers and grandfathers?
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I agree wt you about the naming pattern, its the same as the Irish one, I only mentioned grandfathers as an example. it would also depend on how many sons were born and their position in the family, you couldent call your third son after yourself if you were the eldest and named after you father! In my own family there is an instance of the groom himself and both fathers being called Patrick, that allowed for a few other family names to be included which might not have survived to another generation
Are first cousins allowed to marry in Scotland? I know it could be done with a special dispensation in Ireland, if for example there were no male heirs on one side to carry the name, or inherit the family place.
If you were to follow the naming logic , then Andrew Mcaras father was Andrew as his eldest son (born 1752 died btween 1761 and 1764) was called Andrew and on his eldest sons death he named his fourth son Andrew(born 1764) he may have a elder brother called Duncan as he called his third son Duncan (born 1761) In Ireland third son was usually called after his father or eldest uncle depending on names available.
mcmcara
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"you couldent call your third son after yourself if you were the eldest and named after you father!" Exactly and that is the reason the naming pattern occasionally changes, but only in the case of the sibling who bears his father's name.
Try this Andrew son of Andrew. ANDREW MCARA - 28 DEC 1705 Fowlis Wester, Perth, Scotland
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I'm straying off topic I think by tracing Andrew, everything points to our line passing through Peter/Patrick, Peter and Duncan are the strongest continuous link all down our line. Have you any idea why Peter and Patrick have been confused?
There is a Duncan Mcara married to Anne Morrison in 1874 Crieff Perth, I wonder if he could be a brother of Peter/Patrick
mcmcara
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Hi mcmara
Back in the period that you are searching Patrick/Peter were interchangeable as I found to my cost.
I spent a considerable time searching for my Peter and found him and a further two generations as patrick.
The site below may give you some insight to interchangeable names.
www.whatsinaname.net
Also around the time you are looking the parish records were destroyed by fire durring the rebellion when the Beadles house was burnt along with half the village.
below taken from http://www.scotlandsfamilytree.moonfruit.com/#/opr/4521543744
(1) Fire. If the manse or the schoolmaster’s house caught fire, then any registers therein would probably burn too. In the days of wood or coal or peat fires and of candles there was always a fire risk. In the parish of Muthill, a register for 1704 to 1760 had to be compiled from peoples’ memories or their jottings ‘the original Registers of that time having been burnt in the Session-Clerk’s house with several things of his own”.
http://www.scottish-towns.co.uk/perthshire/muthill/history.html
Yours Aye
BruceL
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I agree with Bleckie I have this in my own Perthshire lines Patrick suddenly became Peter directly after the 1745!! :P
Having a look at the parish map for Perth gives you a better idea of how close Monzie and Fowlis Wester actually were.
http://www.scotlandsfamily.com/parish-map-perth.htm
The batch numbers on the IGI for Monzie give a clear indiction of the numbers of McAras [births and marriages] on the microfilm for that parish.
C113822 Monzie births 1720 - 1825 144 McAra births
M113822 Monzie marriages 1700 - 1706
M113822 Monzie marriages 1728 - 1821
C113572 Fowlis Wester births 1674 - 1819 48 McAra births
M113572 Fowlis Wester marriages 1674 - 1819
M113424 Crieff marriages 1748 - 1819
M113466 Dull marriages 1783 - 1820
and of course there were marriages in other parishes also.
Marriage usually took place in the brides parish and the newly wed couple set up home in the grooms parish. Often the bride would return to her [mother] parish for the birth of the first child hence the reason children are sometimes not born in the parish they grew up in.
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Maybe Patrick was considered a Gaelic type name, and dropped for that reason.
If I had the names of Patrick and Shusans children that would give me a starting place to try and go back further
On a different but related topic, I have traced all the children of William Mcara and Grace Clink Watson except one - Peter born 1862 Kincardine Perth, he is believed to have died between 1891 (his wife recorded at her parents address as being married) and 1898 Ceres Fife (his wifes death cert in 1898 described her as a widow) but there does not seem to be any record of his death.
I have a vague memory of my husbands grandfather telling me a story about his fathers brother Peter who was killed in an industrial accident which he witnessed but where the accident took place was not mentioned. Any advice
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Maybe Patrick was considered a Gaelic type name, and dropped for that reason.
There was a lot of anti Catholic/Jacobite feeling on the part of the English "conquerors" and nobles. Patrick was seen as a Catholic name whereas Peter was not. No one wanted to be imprisoned for a name, many Stuarts changed to Stewart for that reason too.
If I had the names of Patrick and Shusans children that would give me a starting place to try and go back further
To be fair you have to establish which Duncan you are researching and his origins first.
On a different but related topic, I have traced all the children of William Mcara and Grace Clink Watson except one - Peter born 1862 Kincardine Perth, he is believed to have died between 1891 (his wife recorded at her parents address as being married) and 1898 Ceres Fife (his wifes death cert in 1898 described her as a widow) but there does not seem to be any record of his death.
I have a vague memory of my husbands grandfather telling me a story about his fathers brother Peter who was killed in an industrial accident which he witnessed but where the accident took place was not mentioned. Any advice
How is William related to Duncan? Also if his son Peter died in 1891 then a death certificate will be available at GROS.
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William is a direct descendant of Duncan McAra (son of Patrick) and Isobel Alice. if you look at my previous posts I have the male line listed.
Peter is my husbands greatgrandfathers brother, Ive been in contact with several other people descended from this line who are doing research but nobody has been able to trace Peters death. He and his brother Duncan my husbands greatgrandfather were brick walls for quite a few people until I put the family tree on line nobody realised he had moved to Ireland around 1918
mcmcara
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Sorry Ive taken so long to reply - Peters parents are Duncan McAra and Isobel Alice married 6th Dec 1807,Monzie. If Peter was their eldest son then there is a good chance that his grandfather was also Peter McAra, names for two other siblings are John and Duncan , Ive found a will for John Alice dated 1813, possibly Isobels father.
Mcmcara
William??
Good luck with your research. :)
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Sorry bout that fifer, our line goes like this -direct ancestors in capitals
Duncan Mcara and Isobel Alice m 1807, sons PETER 1809 William 1811 John 1814 Duncan 1817, James 1820
Peter McAra and Isabelle Steele m 1832 sons Duncan 1832, WILLIAM 1835, Peter 1839, James 1840, John 1843 and David 1852
William Mcara and Grace Clink Watson m 1858 sons Peter 1862, William George 1873 and DUNCAN 1877
Duncan Mcara and Mary Toal m Dublin 1901 sons William 1903, Peter 1906, Patrick 1909,DUNCAN J 1912 and John F 1915
Duncan J McAra m Elizabeth Brown London 1939 sons Duncan 1942, Michael 1946 Peter 1948, John 1953 and Francis 1955
I found wills for two Alice Males on Scotlands People William in 1781 and John in 1813
mcmcara
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Hi there,
I am doing some research into the history of the Christie family at Drummawhance and was looking for any information that would be available relating to Andrew Christie and / or Dinah Murray who were married in Blackford on 25th August 1811. In addition are there any records for James Christie, and Robert Christie?
Regards
Gc
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Hi not sure if any of this is any good to you but.....
ELECTORS
of
The Parish of Muthill
in
The County of Perth
1832
James Christie , farmer , tenant , lands , houses and mill , Millness
Hugh Christie , farmer , tenant , lands , Cairn
Of
The Parish of Auchterarder
in
The County of Perth
1832
Robert Christie , tanner , proprietor , houses , gardens , and other subjects , Smiddyhaugh
James Christie , carter , proprietor , lands , houses , and other subjects , Auchterarder
Also not the Christies you mention but may be of interest, on the poor law list 1899 are a
couple of Christies
Ann Brough or Christie 88 Water Wynd Widow Deblity
Christian Christie or Comrie 72 South Bridgend Widow Debility
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Thanks that is very useful. I understand that the early old parish records were destroyed in a fire thus I am struggling to find any evidence of James and Roberts parents who are Andrew Christie / Dinah Murray. I understand there is an entry in the OPR for Auchterarder of their marriage in 1811 in blackford but have no further detail of their lineage. Also are you aware of any old records that may record the presence of a Mill at Millness?
regards
GC
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Hi
If there is a mention in the OPR for Auchterarder of there marriage in Blackford then I think that they
were from these Parishes and not from Muthill Parish.
The link below is a copy of the Parish map for Perthshire showing the various parishes in Perthshire.
http://www.scotlandsfamily.com/parish-map-perth.htm
Yours Aye
BruceL
P.S. have just checked the IGI
There is an extracted record for a marriage of Andrew Christie and Dinah Murray at Muthill in 1811
you should be able to view the record on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
Have you been able to find a death for Andrew if after 1855 it should give you his parents names.
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Hi
On scotlandspeople there is a death for a Andrew Christie in Auchterarder in 1872 this gentleman would appear to have been born in 1792. Cannot find a death of a female with the names Christie/Murray may have died before 1855
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Hi
Can you please look up the Campbell family.
James Campbell Wife Jane Sorley
All 3 children born in Muthill
Elizabeth
James
Jane
Lynn
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Hi Lynn
The only Campbell Sorley combination in the Episcopalian register are:
Nov. 28. Patrick son to Dugald Campbel and Emilia Sorley in the
hillhead of Machany born Nov 26. 1729
Dec. 12. Catharin daughter to Dugald Campbel and Emilia Sorley
in Hillhead of Machany born Dec 11 1731.
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Hi Lynn
Found these on IGI (www.familysearch.org) doing a parent search.
1. JANE CAMPBELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 23 MAY 1836 Muthill, Perth, Scotland
2. ELIZABETH CAMPBELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 27 JAN 1834 Muthill, Perth, Scotland
3. JAMES CAMPBELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 27 JAN 1834 Muthill, Perth, Scotland
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Langside
Can anyone suggest where I can find history related to Langside? the King family lived herein the 1800s bit I am intrigued why this solitary house is marked on all road maps
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Thank You So Much For Your Help Brucel.
Lynn
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Bruce,
Thank you so much for your generous offer. I am looking for the christening of a Jean Taylor in Muthill between 1715 and 1732. In the record of her 1751 marriage to John McEwan, she was recorded as being from Muthill.
Many thanks!
Katy
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Hi Katy
The only Jean Taylor in the register.
Nov. 5. 1737 Jean daughter of Ja Taylor and Agnes Mitchel in Strageth
born [sic]-
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Bruce -
Thank you for your help!
Katy
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Hi Katy
I had another look at the register for Muthill Please note the spelling
.June 7. Jean daughter to Mungo Tayllor and Elspet Mcinis in Ballah
born June 2.1717
July 27. Jean daughter to James Tayllor and Margret Boyd in Guilt
born July 23.1717
April 19. Janet daughter to Donald Tayllor and Cristian Caynoch in
Blainror born Aprile 19.1719
Nov. 9. Janet daughter to Mungo Tayllor and Elspet Mcinis in
Ballah born Nov 1 1719
June 25. Jean daughter to Alexander Mcewan and Janet Tayllor in
Craigneich born June 22. 1720
Jan. 14. Janet daughter to John Mcinis and Elspet Tayllor in
Ochtermuthill born Jan 10. 1721
Jan. 7. Jean daughter to William Tayllor and Jean Richart in
Muthill born Jan 7. 1724
Aug. 19. Jean daughter to James Tayllor and Jean Court in Muthill
born Aug 19. 1726
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Bruce -
I appreciate you looking again - what a wealth of information!
Many thanks -
Katy
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Hi All
I have a copy of
THE REGISTERS OF BAPTISMS OF THE EPISCOPAL
CHURCH, Muthill, Perthshire. A.D. 1697-1847.
if anyone needs a look up give me a couple of day's and I will get back to you
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Hi articskua
Welcome to rootschat.
Is there some one you wish me to search the register for
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Hi David,
Thanks for the reply. I started to type my message, then the computer crashed! I am trying to find out about a Free Church minister who was born in Ruthill, Perthshire. His name was George Clark. He died in Closeburn, Dumfriessshire in 1922 aged 77, so he must have been born in 1845 or thereabouts. He was a Free Church minister in Orkney, then transferred to Shetland in 1875. He was unmarried, and was cared for in hiis last years by his sister Helen Clark. According to his death certificate his father was called James Clark, and his mother's name was Jessie McRitchie. The father's occupation is given as "wood forester". I just wondered if there might be any census or other records relating to this family in Perthshire. I'm afraid I don't even know where Ruthill is! I have tried to look up Google maps but haven't found anything so far. Apologies for my ignorance! Any help at all would be very much appreciated. Thank you.
Gordon
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Hi Gordon
Welcome to Rootschat :)
The IGI has George Clarke born 14th May 1844 , baptised 10th july 1844 Episcopal Church Muthill
Perth , parents James Clarke and Jannet McRitchie
ev
Added -
http://shetlopedia.com/Hoswick_Whale_Case
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Hi Gordon
Just as Ev say's
July 10. George son of James Clarke Land Steward and Jannet
M'Ritchie born at Northgate Castle of Strathallan
May 14.
Yours Aye
BruceL
PS are you sure it's Ruthill and not Ruchill which from memory is not that far from Comrie.
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HI David and Ev,
Just found your replies. Thanks very much indeed to you both for your very prompt responses. Another piece of Rev George Clark's jigsaw found! I don't know if I will be able to find anything about his schooling and university or religious training. He was a remarkable man, much loved by his congregations. Thank you. Gordon
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Hello Bruce,
Would there be any chance of you also sending me what you have about the mcewans from muthill? My father who is 89 remembers going from inverness to muthill aged about 4 when his grandfather was moving to inverness after his wife died.
I suspect that what you have on the mcewans of muthill may well fit in with the much more 'recent' things we know of our family tree
Thanks,
Ian
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Hello Bruce,
Would there be any chance of you also sending me what you have about the mcewans from muthill? My father who is 89 remembers going from inverness to muthill aged about 4 when his grandfather was moving to inverness after his wife died.
I suspect that what you have on the mcewans of muthill may well fit in with the much more 'recent' things we know of our family tree
Thanks,
Ian
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Hi Ian
All I have about the McEwan's are my own family tree.
What I do have is a copy of the Episcopal register of baptism's from Muthill.
If you have specific names you wish me to have a look at and compare with mine you can list them here or send me a pm if that suits you better.( You have to have posted 3 times to use this) Just reply to this one anyway you like.
yours Aye
BruceL
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Hi Pauline
This is from freecen note spelling
Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
MCEWAN John M 30 Farmer Perth
MCEWAN Eliza F 29 Perth
MCEWAN Isabel F 9 Perth
MCEWAN Mary F 7 Perth
MCEWAN Duncan M 5 Perth
MCEWAN Jane F 1 Perth
MCEWAN Alexander M 20 Ag Lab Perth
MCLEISH William M 20 Ag Lab Perth
MCARA James M 13 Ag Lab Perth
GRAY Dinah F 16 Female Servant Perth
This is indeed from Drumdowie
Could this be john's parents
Duncan McEwan and Mary Ann Malloch ( John born 9th Jun 1810 in Muthill)
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Hi,
Looking for John Keir died 1818 also Thomas keir several years later ?
Thank you
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Another piece of Rev George Clark's jigsaw found! I don't know if I will be able to find anything about his schooling and university or religious training.
"Annals of the Free Church of Scotland 1843-1900" (W. Ewing, 1914 Edinburgh) should be available at Libraries. Vol. 1 has lists of ministers and may contain details of his education and training.
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Thank you. I will check this out next time I am in Edinburgh.
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Hi,
Looking for John Keir died 1818 also Thomas Keir several years later ?
Thank you
Hi
All I have are the episcopal birth register for Muthil
I had a look on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk there are no deaths listed for Keir during this period
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Hi Bruce
I am looking for information on Rev George Duthie who married Elizabeth Whitehead on 19 Aug 1874 and was minister at Kinkell UP Church in 1881 and resided in the Manse there in the parish of Trinity Gask, County of Perthshire.
I have had great difficulty in tracing that much but even more difficulty in finding out who were his parents and grandparents.
I would be grateful for any information you could forward.
Kind regards
Rhonda
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Hi Rhonda
If you haven't already done so, go to www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk (http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk), buy some credits and look up George Duthie's marriage. It will show his age, his parents, and whether they were deceased. Census records will show where people were born, enabling you to look for births, which in turn will lead to details of the previous generation.
Happy hunting!
Isabel H
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Hi Rhonda
I only have the episcopalian register of births for Muthill.
Your best bet is as Isabel H say's
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Hi all ,
George Duthie gives birthplace as Tarves Aberdeenshire on 1881 Census.
From looking at the Census in 1841/1851 parents maybe Peter Duthie and Christian Harvey , as Isabel says you would need to look at the marriage certificate for further info.
Peter died in 1841(Will on SP) , Christian died 1871.
ev
Added - George may have been married before -
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQXX-LZQ
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTND-1PD
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Hi all
Many thanks for your help. You have given me a couple of leads I did not previously have. Now just have difficulty with George's parents. But I will plow on with Scotlands People.
All the very best
Rhonda
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A search on here for Peter Duthie has a gravestone at Tarves -
http://www.anesfhs.org.uk/databank/miindex/miindex.php
ev
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Hi Rhonda, I research in Aberdeenshire in enriches my family. George Duthie (1917+ Perth) is represented there. I am happy to assist you. Maybe I can be one or more information. Greetings from Hamburg, Joe
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Hi Bruce, Is that offer still available please re Muthill, Perthshire births?
My family history states James Erskine (blacksmith) married Ann Ferguson 1833 Muthill Perthshire Scot and they had children born in 1833 Christina; 1835 Ann; 1837 Martha & 1840 Beatrice. Can you confirm these children for me please. The family came to Aus in 1855 on "Prince of the Seas", however Beatrice does not appear to be with them. Hope you can help. Thank you kindly, Julie.
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Hi Julie
What I have is: THE REGISTERS OF BAPTISMS OF THE EPISCOPAL
CHURCH, Muthill, Perthshire. A.D. 1697-1847
If they were from the established church your best bet would be www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk a pay per view site. I will check my book tomorrow
yours aye
BruceL
Added: all 4 are on family search if you do a parent search: https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results#count=20&query=%2Bfather_givenname%3Ajames~%20%2Bfather_surname%3Aerskine~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3Aann~%20%2Bmother_surname%3Aferguson~&collection_id=1771030
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Hello Bruce,
Many thanks for your prompt reply to my enquiry. I don't use Scotlandspeople site as my pension does not allow it. With regards family search I used to use it but find it difficult these days, however with try the link you sent to see what is there.
Thank you so much.
Julie.
Australia. :)
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Hi Julie
Link to possible marriage in Muthill
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XY3N-YP5
1841 census from freecen
http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Dear Bruce L,
Thank you so much for all your help. This information is wonderful. I appreciate your assistance.
All the best, from Australia.
Julie. :)
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Hi Bruce, I've just registered with Rootschat and I picked up on your kind offer. My ancestor John Drummond was born in Muthill around 1725. He married Elspeth Donaldsone.
I cannot confirm their DOB's or where Elspeth came from. If you could help me in this regard I would be greatly appreciative.
Cheers,
John Drummond, Sydney, aust.
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Hi John
Welcome to roots chat.
I have had a look through the register and can find nothing for John Drummond.
I also had a quick search on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk and could not find anything there either.
It could be that your ancestor was from the established church (church of Scotland) and that the records may not have survived the burning of Muthill during the 45 rebellion when the beadles house was burnt and a lot of the church records were lost. the link below is for possible child.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VQWQ-63F
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Hi,
I am searching for the KEIR family in Muthill. Do you have any information?
Thanks,
Debbie
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Hi Debbie
Welcome to roots chat.
Do you have anymore information and from what time frame.
In the In the register of Episcopalian births that I have the earliest is dated 1699 and the latest is 1809. If you Keir's are from the established church their records are more likely to be held here
www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk (a pay per view site.) very reasonable
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Hi Bruce,
The earliest record I have is for my 5 x great grandfather: William KEIR (also found under Keron). He was born about 1746, place unknown, and married Alice McAinsh, born about 1750, place also unknown. They married July 5, 1771 in Muthill. Children of the union were John J. born 1772, and Jannet born 1774, both in Muthill. John married Helen or Ellen (Mc)Dougal, born January 1780 in Muthill. Their marriage took place February 22, 1799 also in Muthill. Children were: Isabel born July 31, 1800, William, August 1802, Duncan, September 1804, Helen 1806, Alice born November 1809 or 1810, Janet, October 1815. Believe all were born in Muthill, although I have seen references to Trinity Gask. The family than moved to Canada about 1817 or 1818 and had two more children. In Canada, and than the U.S., the spelling sometimes changed to KIER, but don't know if that was so in Scotland. I don't know what happened to John's sister Jannet. i am also interested in what happened to the parents, William and Alice. I haven't been able to locate any ancestors before them. Looking forward to any help you might be able to provide.
Thanks so much,
Debbie
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Hi Debbie
I have had a look through the register and there in nothing with the name combinations that you have given me.
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Thanks, Bruce, for checking that out for me.
~ Debbie
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Please could you let me know if you have any information about Isobel Tainsh who married Robert Taylor at Muthill in 1753 and their daughter Janet Taylor born in 1755 and married to James Ritchie in 1795.
Grateful thanks for any information
I am visiting Muthill on Monday 4 November. These people are my ancestors.
Isobel Neville
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Hi Isobel
Welcome to roots chat.
What I have is the Episcopalian register for Muthill.
From memory there are Tainsh memorial stones in Muthill old churchyard.
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Hi Bruce
Would you be able to have a look at the following baptisms:
Thomas and James Wallace 07 September 1811
Mary Wallace 08 November 1812
Could you tell me whether it lists any other information other than parents names please.
Many thanks
Tracey
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Hi Tracy
This is what is in the book:
1811: Sept. 7. Thomas and James twins children of Edward Wallace and
Martha Hooker in Thornhill of Drummond born Sep 7.
1812: Nov. 8. Mary daughter of Edward Wallace and Martha Hooker in
Thornhill of Drummond born Oct 9.
This is the only listings with the name Wallace and the name Hooker in the book
Yours Aye
BruceL
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Thanks for the quick reply, I think they only lived in Scotland for 2 years, so as there are no other wallace/hooker in the book it fits in with my research. Now to work out why they moved from Kent to Scotland in the first place
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Hi
I am attempting to trace back in time several distant relatives from the Muthill area.
I would be pleased to hear from anyone who has info or would like to exchange info.
Here are the details.
Robert McNiel and Dinah Murray married 1751 in Muthill (looking for their parents) I have all their children including the descendants from their daughter Grizel's marriage to James McILvrede.
John McILvraid and Isobel McFarlane married 1748 in Muthill (I have John's parents but not Isobel's)
cheers,
David Hart
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Daniel Campbell was born in or near Muthill on or about 2 Oct 1819.
If you can find him, can you please verify the birth date and shed any light on his parents names? I have no information about them.
Thank you!
Greg
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Hi, if you are still doing Muthill lookups would you mind looking for me for:
Grace haggart b June 1837, father daniel haggart born abt 1801, mother Jean law born abt 1806. If you can go back further, I think daniels parents were Peter Haggart and margaret mckercher. anything you could fine would be great.
many thanks
Leah Hourston
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Hi All
Sorry for the late replies! New job new priorities.
In the Episcopalian register that I have a copy of there is no Robert McNeil listed. There is only one Robert McNeil born Perthshire in the OPRs on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk but he was born 1712.
There is no Daniel (Duncan) Campbell in the register either.
There are no Haggart's in the register of any name.
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Hi bruceL, many thanks for the look up.
Kind regards, Leah
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Hi Iwonder if you would be able to help, I'm looking for any information on Archibald Mcnab and Catherine Fergusson married 20 Jan 1816 in Dunblane, have Catherine on the 1841 census with her daughter Janet in Dunblane only gives Perthshire as place of birth, then again in 1851 in Dunblane, birth place Comrie, but not 100% sure this is her can find no deaths for either Archibald or Catherine or who their parents were. Have all the childrens births just cant get further back with them 2. thanks
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Hi
i have had a look through the mi books for Perthshire and cannot find anything
Yours aye
BruceL
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Thank you kindly for having a look, back to the drawing board :-[
Yvonne
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Duncan McAINSH Janet McFARLAND M: 1743 Muthill, Perth PRP
Alexander McAINSH B: 5 Mar 1744 Muthill, Perth FHS
Alice McAINSH B: 17 Mar 1744 FHS
Janet McAINSH B: 20 Jun 1748 Muthill, Perth FHS
Alexander McAINSH B: 5 Mar 1755 Muthill, Perth FHS
Isobel McAINSH B: 8 Oct 1755 Muthill, Perth FHS
Mary McAINSH C: 27 Nov 1763 Muthill, Perth FHS
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Do you have any information on William McEwan, born about 1825?
Thank You in advance,
Simon
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Hi Simon
I have nothing in the episcopal register for William McEwan but you may like to have a look here
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Awilliam~%20%2Bsurname%3Amcewan~%20%2Bbirth_place%3Amuthill~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1820-1830~%20%2Brecord_country%3AScotland (https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Awilliam~%20%2Bsurname%3Amcewan~%20%2Bbirth_place%3Amuthill~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1820-1830~%20%2Brecord_country%3AScotland)
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Hi Bruce!
Just found your thread! It's wonderful that you are looking up names for others! How did you come across the book anyway? :)
I few things I would like you to look up:
According to someone else's research, John Taylor and Ann Millar were married on the 11th of December 1772 in Muthill. Is that true? Also, is there any other valuable information on there, such as parents names, witnesses, or their ages?
Also I have the birth of John Taylor as 15 May 1748 in Muthill. Does it list his parents there? Does he have any siblings on the nearby pages.
I found a family record of Dinah Murray with Robert McNeil stating that she was born on 9 February 1732 and that he was born on the 8th of March 1726, both in Muthill. I cannot find an actual birth record for either person. Could you check?
Could you find the marriage of Lodovick Murray to Grizel/Grisel Reid? I found a record on ancestry.com that says 1733 in Muthill but it does not give the full date.
Lastly, can you look for the births of Duncan McIlvride and Janet Bayne? I have them both being born approximately 1699, possibly in Muthill.
I hope that's not too much to ask! I'm just pretty stuck and I'm very excited to find out if you can help me break through my roadblocks!
~Mackenzie
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Hi mackie0192837465
The book I have is the episcopal register not the established kirk (church of Scotland)
The records for Muthill during the time frame you are looking at are very hit and miss.
1746. The confusion of the times, occasioned by a civil war raging in this Country, and the persecution that followed in great severity, often driving me from attending my Charge, make a chasm here that cannot now be filled up, for tho many baptisms were performed, the inserting of them was not attended to in proper time, but some room is left for such as may be recovered. W. E. [William Erskine]. (161) is a blank page. 1749- (162)
During the 45 rebellion Muthill was sacked twice once by the highlanders on the way down and also by government troops on the way to Culloden one of the houses burnt down was the beadle's house containing all the kirk records.
Have you tried www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk free to search
I will have a look through the book I have.
Yours Aye
BruceL
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Hi mackie0192837465
I have searched the book and haven't found any of the people you are looking for sorry.
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Bruce,
Thanks for searching! I will definitely check out the link you sent!
~Mackenzie
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Hi mackie0192837465
I had a look through the MI book for Muthill old cemetery and found the entry below
"by John TAYLOR fr Camshiny imo s John 5.4.1804 27. (west side) Here lies Ann MILLAR 8.2.1816 70, h John TAYLOR fr Cambushinnie. share, coulter, sandglass "
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Hi, have been searching for the birth of my 3 x great grandfather, John Gardner or Gardiner. He appears in the 1841, 1851, 1861 and 1871 census in Fintry and always gives his place of birth as Muthill. On his death certificate (1875) it says the same. His father is listed as William and his mother as Mary Drummond. I found a William Gardiner, farmer of Craigneith, and downloaded his will from Scotlands People. No mention at all of John, maybe he was disinherited :( John was a labourer all his life, while William Gardiner seems to have been a reasonably successful farmer, which makes me think I am going in the wrong direction there. John was born in 1799 / 1800. He married Agness Barr and their children were Janet 1847, Margaret 1849, Anges 1851, William 1854, David 1857 and James 1860. Thanks very much in advance for any help! Aylene Gardiner
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Hello Bruce, In 1853, the Rev. Mr Walker, in Muthill, wrote a letter to Crieff Kirk Session confirming that he had baptised an illegitimate child, born to Mary Stewart, about four years before, so around 1849. I have looked at the Kirk Session Minutes for Muthill, and searched for a record of baptism on S.P. but haven't found any trace of this child. It would be really great if you could take a look. All the best, Heather
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Hi Heather
It is the register of Episcopalian births I have, I have had a look and unfortunately there is nothing listed.
Not all births were recorded in church records and a lot of the correspondence was not kept.
Yours Aye
BruceL
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So the stone has these items carved on it Bruce?
Skoosh.
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Thank you so much for looking Bruce. I knew Mary was Church of Scotland, but there was a possibility that the father was not.