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Title: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: Alicat84 on Saturday 17 April 10 15:41 BST (UK)
Hi everyone

Looking for anyone that might be related to this Duggan family from Dublin, Ireland.

Thomas Duggan married Julia Keely in around 1855-58.

They had seven children, that I know of;

Thomas (my great great grandfather) b.1858
Julia Frances b.1860
William Henry b.1861
Sylvester John b.1863
Teresa Mary b.1865
Alphonsus b.1867
Christina Catherine b.1871

Sylvester died at age 3, it seems.

According the 1911 census, Julia is living by herself, single, as a Dressmaker.

Christina and her mother Julia are living together. Both are widows. Christina is also a dressmaker and her married name is Turley. There are no children mentioned.

Alphonsus married a woman named Christina O'Brien. They had a lot of kids!
Frances b.1893
Thomas b.1895
Evaline b.1897
Alphonsus b.1899
Henry b.1903
Fergus b.1906
Eileen b.1908
Edmund b.1910

According to the 1939-40 Electoral Register, I THINK there may have been at least two more children after 1911, Frederick and George. Alphonsus Sr. is a 'Printer Compositor'(?) and the eldest daughter Frances is a shopgirl in a Pork Butcher's.

My great great grandfather Thomas, married a woman named Mary. We think her surname was Hyland but have been able to prove it as of yet. I'm working on it!

They had at least ten children as of 1911, although two have died. The census states they are married 28 years. Two are not in the household and I have yet to find them. The children still in the house are as follows;
William c.1886
Thomas c.1888
John c.1892 (my great grandfather)
Evaline c.1894
Francis c.1898
Mary c.1902

There is also a granddaughter, Mary, who is three but I have no idea who's child she is. I'm presuming one of the boys as her surname is Duggan.

Thomas Sr. is a House Carpenter. William and Thomas Jr. are both 'Engine Fitters at Works'. John is a 'Motor Fitter at Works'. Evaline is a 'Milliner at Factory'.

John married a woman named Claire Coyne and they had three children, Patrick, Marie and John (my grandfather).

Phew! After all that, I hope someone here recognizes this family!

Ali
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: maryderry on Sunday 18 April 10 15:45 BST (UK)
could this be their marriage.

michael thomas duggan to julia j teresa keely 23-7-1859  diocese of dublin parish of st.audoen,s rc.

birth joseph mary duggan 16-5-1874 dublin. parents as above.


                                                        regards mary.


                               
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: Alicat84 on Sunday 18 April 10 16:15 BST (UK)
That is very interesting Mary....

I'm just worried about the date of the marriage. I have the transcript of the birth/baptism cert for my great great grandfather Thomas Michael Duggan on the 29/3/1858 in St. Pauls

But the Joseph born in 1874 makes me think there has to be a connection here. One of the family names is Alphonsus and there were very few Alphonsus Duggans in Dublin. One Alphonsus Duggan that I found is living with his father Joseph, who in 1911 is 36 which fits perfectly with the birth you found. I have always thought that this Joseph was part of our family but did not find proof.

I just don't know what to make of the marriage dates. Is it possible the child, Thomas, was born out of wedlock?
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: Lisa Duggan l3 on Wednesday 28 July 10 19:27 BST (UK)
Hi Ali, I could nt believe it when I saw your message on this web site.† My name is Lisa Duggan and my family and yours are one and the same.† Alphonsus Duggan is my great grandfather and Christina O Brien my great grand mother. Their son Thomas is my grandfather and my father is also Thomas Duggan, sadly he died when I was just three years old. My mother re married his brother ** in Canada in l975 and I have two brothers from this marriage. You were correct about the last two children born to Alphonsus and Christina, Frederick and George.† Fredericks children are all still living and I see them often. George died two years ago and was never married. Aunt Eva was married to a Phillip Godfrey they had no family. Aunt Eileen was married to a Peter Rooney and they have a daughter that I know of **. My fathers brothers and sisters are all dead except two. ** is still alive and **. These are the last living grandchildren of Alphonsus who only died in l956. Alphonsus also had a brother named Edward who you will find on the l9ll census married to Elizabeth with lots of children also working as a compositor with his brother Alphonsus.† The family are not aware of brothers and sisters belonging to Alphonsus as far as I am aware they only knew Alphonsus to have one sibling being Edward. This is very exciting you have filled in lots of information for me and I have been searching for about twelve months, actually since the family all got together at uncle Georgies funeral. We have constantly spoken about it. There is also a branch of the family in Leeds a Harry Duggan who went to Leeds in the l94o s to play soccer for Leeds United. Hopefully this is information that you will find useful and enjoyable. Kind regards Lisa

Moderator's Comment: Names of living people aren't allowed to be posted on Rootschat so some details have been removed from this post. If anyone can fill in more recent family details it would be best done by PM (personal message) rather than online.
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: Lisa Duggan l3 on Wednesday 28 July 10 19:31 BST (UK)
Dear Ali , I almost forgot to say I am living in Dublin with my husband and four children. I have a brother called Thomas Duggan and he is the fifth generation I think of Thomas Duggan in the family. I also have two other brothers ** and ** whose father is ** Duggan. I would love to hear from you with your thoughts on this and also to share your information. I know that all the grandchildren of Alphonsus who I am in contact with will be delighted to find another branch of the family. Kind regards Lisa Duggan Connolly.

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Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: Alicat84 on Wednesday 28 July 10 22:37 BST (UK)
Yay!

PMed :D
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: Sevilled on Wednesday 04 August 10 13:59 BST (UK)
Hi Anne

The Duggans you mention are a part of my family.
My grandmother was Mary Duggan your great grandfathers sister. I remember your great grandmother coming to visit when I was small we knew her as Aunt Baby

The other Mary you mentioned from the census was their little cousin Maire later to become Sr. Brigid . She lived with them for a number of years.†

Thomas Duggan was married to Mary Hyland .
I had some research done on the family but unfortuatly i lost it all when my computer crashed. Will check with my dad what information he had kept.

In 1901 census they were living in 15.7 upper buckingham street.

Frances - 11    She later became Sr Frances  was in convent in kilcullen co kildare.
Evaline married Charlie Lennox lived in Donnycarney in Dublin - children Angela, Irene, and two boys will check names
Francis ( frank) married Agnes  - They lived in Manchester - son Terrence
William  and James and Thomas all went to Uk. will check details and get back to you
William l
Regards Debbie
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: Alicat84 on Wednesday 04 August 10 14:19 BST (UK)
Hi Debbie,

great to find another family member!

Mary Duggan was my GREAT grandfather's sister. Unfortunately my grandfather (John/Jack Duggan) is now deceased but I remember my grandmother (his wife) talking about Aunt 'Babe' before.

Since the first message, I have found the birth cert naming Mary Hyland. Will post more this evening!

Ali
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: Sevilled on Wednesday 04 August 10 14:31 BST (UK)
Forgot to mention the rest of family

Mary  ( May ) my grandmother married Richard Seville.
children Maureen, Nuala, Aidan and Oilbhe.

My dad was your grandad's cousin , he spent a lot of time at their house in Dollymount
as he went to secondary school in Koska College near their house. 
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: Alicat84 on Wednesday 04 August 10 14:38 BST (UK)
Ohh yes, was Richard known as 'Jemp'? That's the name my grandmother said to me
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: Sevilled on Wednesday 04 August 10 23:11 BST (UK)
Richard Seville was indeed known as jemp. Which was really a nickname given to him by your grandad jackie and his cousin Brian.† He was referred to in the family as a real gent, but they misheard it and christened him jemp. And it stuck.

On another note the missing children on the1901 census are alphonsus and sylvester both who died in childhood.

Maire who is named in the 1901 census who later became Sr Brigid was James 's daughter.
William never married.
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: Sevilled on Saturday 07 August 10 12:45 BST (UK)
Mary Hyland had at least one brother family lived in Walsh Road in Drumcondra. Dad remembers an aunt nanny and there was at least 3 children Eva, May, John, but does not remember the uncles name.

Found a a memoriam card for John Hyland in my granmothers prayer books -

john Hyland of 18 Walsh Road Drumcondra died 12/3/1936 aged 74 years.

Also one for Thomas Duggan 11/4/1925 

Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: Sevilled on Wednesday 11 August 10 13:16 BST (UK)
Noticed the new additions to the tree
william, mae , and jane  hyland  where did you find them.  Going into registrars this week and do'nt want to duplicate any research you have done. Have you any dates of birth etc for them looking for them on the census 
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: Alicat84 on Wednesday 11 August 10 18:34 BST (UK)
messaged  :)
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: hollyleigh on Sunday 07 November 10 15:23 GMT (UK)
Hi Lisa- my name is Holly, I'm actually your first cousin.My mom is your dad's sister. I remember meeting you when I was little.† I live in Los Angeles.† The last time my mom and I were in Ireland was a little over ten years ago, when Aunt Nora was in the hospice. I was only able to stay a short while, but I did get to see your mom. I am trying to put information together for my mom and have been off to a slow start. I was so surprised to discover this message board. I was hoping you could share any information with me that you've discovered on nana's side, my mom (and my sister) would be thrilled. I wanted to send a personal message to you but I think you have to have 3 posts before the system allows it. Best regards- Holly
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: hollyleigh on Sunday 07 November 10 15:51 GMT (UK)
Hi everyone
I'm so excited to have come across this site, it has given me such a jump start on my search!
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: Alicat84 on Sunday 07 November 10 18:13 GMT (UK)
Hi Holly!

Glad you found us all! :D
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: Liam Doyle on Thursday 13 January 11 03:28 GMT (UK)
Hi all, my name is Liam Doyle, married to MaryRose Duggan of Clontarf, Dublin.
Her Father was Edward Duggan originally from Rathmines. Jeweller
Grandfather Joseph Duggan. Compositer/Printer
Great Grandfather Edward Duggan 46 Portland Row Dublin. Compositer
In the year 1910, GGF Edward Duggan was admitted as a freeman of Dublin because he was a grandson of James Keely, (father of Julia Keely who married Thomas Duggan. )
James Keely ,tailor, 1 Eustace Street Dublin, was admitted as a freeman of Dublin
in the year 1841 ,because he was married to a grandaughter of Richard Guinness
who was the father of Arthur Guinness who was the creator of the famous Beer that is loved by millions.
I am in awe at this information as† probably are you. The question is what was James Keelys wife's name , and which child of Richard Guinness was she.
 I will keep in touch . Liam
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: Alicat84 on Thursday 13 January 11 13:16 GMT (UK)
Liam,

That is very interesting! My grandmother has always said that there was a connection to the Guinness family but nobody knows what it was.

My laptop is currently being repaired so I don't have access to all my files but I had found a possible birth cert for Julia naming her parents as Dennis Keely and Esther Nugent, nothing about James. Of course that doesn't mean it's correct but it was the only one I could find at the time. I think I do have Julias marriage cert but I shall have to wait until my laptop is fixed. Do you happen to have a marriage cert for them?
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: Liam Doyle on Thursday 13 January 11 20:39 GMT (UK)
Hi again, Liam Doyle here again, what part of the world are you from . Re the Connection to Guinness. I have a photocopy of a certificate from the City Hall Dublin,† †pertaining to the fact that† James Keely became a freeman of Dublin because he was Married to a guinness. I also have a Type written† letter rom Edward Duggan 46 Portland Row Dublin dated JAN 1921. Addressed to Mr Henry Seymore Guinness Burton Hall Stillorgan. A quote from the letter reads,"Lord Iveagh may be interested to hear that my mother (now in her 89th year)as a child accompanied her mother on a visit to Lady Guinness of the Greenhills, of Tallaght. She also was aquainted with Mr.Benjamin Guinness( or as she familarly says 'Ben Guinness') way back in the 1840s....I have another letter from a Mr Thomas Roper Dated Oct 1901
of Bookkeeping Room, Main Office Western Union Telegraph, co Cgigago to his cousin MaryAnne Kavanagh.In the letter he says that his Grandmother was Keely and his great grand mother was Guinness, he figured that he and His Lordship were 4th cousins.† I wll keep† in touch ...† †Liam
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: Liam Doyle on Friday 14 January 11 08:06 GMT (UK)
Liam Doyle again married to MaryRose Duggan,I would like to aim this note to Sevilled. Check out the forum to see my wifes connection to Duggans-Dublin., I have a friend wwho's mother is alive at 99 years of age. She was a Seville before she became O Brien, with what I have read hear I told him that we could be related. In his family there are Sevilles and Keatings, and he had an uncle Richard. His Mother, Margeret Seville O Brien,† †said that one of her Female relations in 1916 was shot in the head by the black and tans. Does this† information"ring a Bell"† †
† † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † †Liam† † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † †
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: Sevilled on Friday 14 January 11 13:36 GMT (UK)
Hi liam

Your information   rings a bell with my family tree  - Annie Seville was shot by black and tans in 1921 aged 15 , at her home in Findlaters place. Dublin. Her father worked for Findlaters department store which was around the corner on O Connell Street.

My grandfather, and great grandfather  were Richard Sevilles.  i would be delighted with any more information you might have, as i would like to see where Margaret Seville fits in to our family tree. Could she possibly be a daughter of james Seville.
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: Liam Doyle on Friday 14 January 11 20:36 GMT (UK)
Dearest Debbie,† I am not terribly surprised that a guy I met 40 years ago, through work, turns out to be a distant relative of my wife. My friend and I are both in the motorbike business. we were worlds apart till I started work, as were the worlds of MaryRose and I, till we met 32 years ago. the† words of a song sang by the† †group shangrila† " The Leader Of The Pack" could have been written about us when we met.
 Getting Back to Margaret Seville.
 My friends name is (*), known to everyone as (*), he has a brother called (*).
 Margaret was married to William O Brien( born over 100 years ago)
 Margaret's Father was also William
 William Seville married Ms? Keegan.I think they met in FindLaters.where they worked
A bin lorry reversed and crushed Mike Keegan
There was a Jack Keegan , and someone had the nickname Ginger
let me know if any of this information is familiar, and what part of the world you live keep in touch
† † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † †Sincerely Yours
† † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † Liam
 BTW if you or any of your relations have ever ridden† a motorbike and shopped in dublin for motorbike parts you or they have met me


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Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: Liam Doyle on Friday 14 January 11 22:22 GMT (UK)
In the photograph:- The Doyles , (*)
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: Liam Doyle on Sunday 16 January 11 16:06 GMT (UK)
To Lisa Duggan, I am not sure how this forum works, but I hope that you will get to read this post. It appears that your Great GrandFather Alphonsus and my wife's (MaryRose Duggan Doyle) Great Grandfather Edward were brothers.  I am now trying to get more information on his mother Julia, I have visited her grave in Glasnevin,  I have mention of her in the 1911 census,living with her daughter Christina.It appears that her moter was a Granddaughter of Richard Guinness Father of Arthur Guinness.
                                            Liam
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: Alicat84 on Sunday 16 January 11 17:17 GMT (UK)
Hi Liam,

I'm from Dublin, my grandad John Duggan grew up in Clontarf.

I didn't know Julia was buried in Glasnevin, I had looked before but couldn't be sure which was hers. Do you have a record (birth or marriage) showing that her father was James? I had found her on the census with Christina as well, and in 1901 I think.

Have you ever contacted Guinness to verify the relationship between the two?
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: shanew147 on Sunday 16 January 11 17:20 GMT (UK)
To Lisa Duggan, I am not sure how this forum works, but I hope that you will get to read this post.
.......

Anyone with posts to this thread (including Lisa) is automatically sent an email letting them know that there are new replies, so hopefully she will log in to check details soon.

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Dublin Moderator
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: Liam Doyle on Sunday 16 January 11 18:13 GMT (UK)
Dearest Ali, As yet I have not contacted Guinnesses ,but I have a copy of a certificate† from City Hall which reads:-
† †I Hereby Certify that Edward Duggan of 46 Portland Row, in the City Of Dublin, Esquire, was admitted unto the liberties and franchises of the City of Dublin on the Fourth Day of August One Thousand Nine Hundred and Ten by right of grandbirth, being a Grandson of James Keely ,who was admitted a Freeman on The Twentieth Day of November, one thousand Eight Hundred and Fortyone
† † † † † † Dated this 4th day of April, One Thousand Nine Hundred and Fourteen
† † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † Henry Campbell
† † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † †Town Clerk of the City of Dublin†
† Edward Duggan No.on Freeman Roll 7978
______________________________________________________________

I have a chart that mentions that James Keely,† 1 Eustace Street Dublin , tailor, became a Freeman on account he was a grandson of Richard Guinness.
† NO.on Freeman Roll 798† † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † †
† † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † †Sincerely yours
† † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † †Liam
Julia's grave number is VI262, She is buried with Edward and wife Elizabethand his daughter Elizabeth
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: shanew147 on Sunday 16 January 11 18:27 GMT (UK)
Pettigrew & Oulton's directory of 1840 shows :

† James Keely, merchant tailor - 24 Eustace St

The address is shared with a artificial flower manufacturer named Mary Barnasconi. Michael Hanlon (also a tailor) is listed at number 1.

By 1848 (Thom's), James has moved :

† James Keeley, tailor - 1 Eustace Street

At that time number 24 is listed as Barth. Hoverton, merch. tailor.



Shane
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: LKenney on Tuesday 02 August 11 19:03 BST (UK)
Hi....I think my Duggan from Dublin is the same. It looks like I can attach an image or post a PDF showing the tree where it currently stands.  It would be much easier than explaining it all but my grandmother is from the seemingly same family.....Duggan - Portland Row - Keeley/Keely - McCarthy - Printer/Composter - Freemans Journal - Freeman of Dublin - Julia burried in Glasnevin, etc. If I can post a picture of the tree so far perhaps we can work out what pieces others have that I don't and together get the complete picture. That would be really exciting and I could then show to older relatives and see if more gaps can be filled in. No time to do it now but will give it a go. Also, how do I look at anything others have posted. I see messages with references to something seemingly being shared but cannot see any images just your message texts.

Cheers! L
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: shanew147 on Tuesday 02 August 11 19:11 BST (UK)
You can view all the details that others have posted in this thread, but details shared by personal message are kept private between the sender and recipient(s). Note copyright images, and full certs are not allowed in posts.

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Dublin Moderator
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: Alicat84 on Tuesday 02 August 11 19:53 BST (UK)
Hi....I think my Duggan from Dublin is the same. It looks like I can attach an image or post a PDF showing the tree where it currently stands.† It would be much easier than explaining it all but my grandmother is from the seemingly same family.....Duggan - Portland Row - Keeley/Keely - McCarthy - Printer/Composter - Freemans Journal - Freeman of Dublin - Julia burried in Glasnevin, etc. If I can post a picture of the tree so far perhaps we can work out what pieces others have that I don't and together get the complete picture. That would be really exciting and I could then show to older relatives and see if more gaps can be filled in. No time to do it now but will give it a go. Also, how do I look at anything others have posted. I see messages with references to something seemingly being shared but cannot see any images just your message texts.

Cheers! L


Hi L!

A few of us have our information and trees shared on Geni.com, but if we establish a connection here, we can add you in and you can see what we've got!  :)

If you want to post two more messages here, your Private messages will be activated and we can share some of the more private information that we're not allowed post, such as trees.

Hope to hear from you soon!
Ali
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: LKenney on Tuesday 02 August 11 22:53 BST (UK)
Great Thanks for the hints. Will post messages then see if I can put together some pieces.
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: LKenney on Tuesday 02 August 11 22:56 BST (UK)
Looking forward to comparing our various trees.
L
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: LKenney on Tuesday 02 August 11 23:00 BST (UK)
Not sure if I can see private messages yet...
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: shanew147 on Tuesday 02 August 11 23:02 BST (UK)
you will not see Personal Messages until someone sends you one... which they couldn't do until a few minutes ago.

Have a look at the link on PMs above. They work a little bit like emails between RootChat members. You will get a notification by email when somebody sends you one, and also see a message at the top of the screen - e.g.  Welcome back, LKenney, you have 1 messages, 1 are new.

Dublin Moderator
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: Alicat84 on Tuesday 02 August 11 23:10 BST (UK)
Messaged!
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: hollyleigh on Saturday 06 August 11 05:48 BST (UK)
In the photograph:- The Doyles , (*)

How do you view photographs? Is there a website setting or is it a browser setting?
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: shanew147 on Saturday 06 August 11 10:10 BST (UK)
In the photograph:- The Doyles , (*)

How do you view photographs? Is there a website setting or is it a browser setting?

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Dublin Moderator
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: Alicat84 on Monday 08 August 11 14:27 BST (UK)
Ok, I think I've found the Guinness woman that James Keely married. I found a baptism record of Juila Kealy on irishgenealogy.ie named her father as James Keely, and the mother as Marianne, but no surname. I then found two certs for a Silvester Keely and Eliza Bridget Keely, both with father and mother listed as James and Mary Anne. Eliza's female sponsor is a Bridget Guinness, and Silvester's male sponsor is a Richard Guinness. They are all in St. Andrew's church (a.k.a. Westland Row). It all fits nicely so far as Silvester (or Sylvester) is the name of one of Thomas Duggan and Julia Keely's sons.

Having looked through google for information on the Guinness family tree, it's all a bit confusing. I can only see one grandchild of Richard Guinness named Mary Anne, apparently Arthur's own daughter, who seems to have married a man named Burke. I'm sceptical of these links as I don't see any proof, so I think I'm going to go into The National Library tomorrow and just scour through the parish records for St. Andrews for the time. The most important cert I shall be looking for will be the marriage of James Keely and Mary Anne, which should hopefully name her father. The three baptism records I found were from 1830 to 1833 so I think I'll just go backwards from 1830 and hope for the best....

Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: shanew147 on Monday 08 August 11 14:34 BST (UK)
I dont think St. Andrews marriages for that time include father's names.. but it's worth a try..



Shane
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: Alicat84 on Monday 08 August 11 14:41 BST (UK)
That's the trouble of getting back so far! Sigh, it is worth a try though. Never know what I might find.
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: shanew147 on Monday 08 August 11 14:44 BST (UK)
The 1830s marriages should have witnesses listed though... which might help. If you are lucky you might find a marriage with a witness the same as one of the godparents on the baptism .



Shane
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: Alicat84 on Monday 08 August 11 15:02 BST (UK)
Looks like some more children of James and Mary Ann. These are what I've found so far;

Silvester Joseph (1830)
Julia (1832)
Eliza Bridget (1833)
James (1836)
Michael John (1839)


The only ones with a†Guinness sponsor are Silvester and Eliza though.
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: Liam Doyle on Sunday 21 August 11 12:43 BST (UK)
Ali, you seem to be able to get more information on the Duggan family tree than I can, I have just  Emailed the Tailors Hall to  see if they can give me any information on James Kealy, merchant tailor, I will keep you informed on anything I find
       Liam
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: LKenney on Tuesday 23 August 11 13:27 BST (UK)
Hi All

Someone else may have also done this, but a couple years ago I went to the Dublin City Archives to see the actual registry entry of James Keely (derived his right by way of "Granbirth" as a "Grandson") and just next to his name on the Dublin City Council Freeeman Roll with the same entry date of 20 Nov 1841 were 2 Guinnesses who were also admitted. Richard Guinness who derived his right by way of "birth" and "Grandson"--Richard Guinness (Admitted 1792 "Brewer"). Did not write the other one, but I think I remember 2 names. As I recall they both claimed rights of admission through the same person? Been awhile and can't remember but archive was about to close and meant to go back when there was more time. Could be a coincidence, but worth a mention, especially if these same names appear as witnesses and other places. I was looking at the orignal large book, but now noticing it said "Extracts From..." perhaps there is another more complete Freeman Roll with more details? My apologies if this is a repeat of information.

Extracts from Dublin City Council Freeman Roll
James Keely
No. of Notice of Claim: 817
No. on Rooll 798
Name: James Keely
Residence at Time of Admission: 1 Eustace St
Addition: Tailor
Date of Admission: 20 Nov 1841
In what right Established: Granbirth/Grandson

Lk
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: Lisa Duggan l3 on Thursday 25 August 11 23:03 BST (UK)
Holly, I am delighted to hear from you I remember when you were little I met you in Clontarf in Cisse 's house, we have pieced together a lot of family information and I would love to share it all with you if you could e-mail me that would be great or post a message through this site. I am in touch with other cousins and they have a lot of information too. Lovely to hear from you. Love to Olive your cousin Lisa Duggan.
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: Lisa Duggan l3 on Thursday 25 August 11 23:10 BST (UK)
Liam Doyle, Its fantastic to find another member of this ever growing family. I totally agree with you that this information is exciting . There was always a rumour about the Guinness family during get togethers and last Christmas we had a Duggan family lunch and again old photos were exchanged and more talk about our connection to the Guinness family was mentioned. It would be lovely for my eldest aunt who is 89 and lives in Clontarf to have this information in document form. She would be absolutely delighted to be able to piece it all together. She has been really interested in all information that has been uncovered to date. I would hope that you see my posting a little quicker that I did yours. I usually use the Geni website to keep up to date. Thanks for the information, its great.  Lisa Duggan.
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: Alicat84 on Tuesday 30 August 11 21:26 BST (UK)
Hi everyone,

I ran into town after work yesterday to go look at the Freeman Rolls. I saw Edward Duggan in 1910, grandson of James Keely, as mentioned previously. However, I also found a James Joseph Duggan, of 46 Stafford Street, who was also admitted as a grandson of James Keely, on 18/7/1883. I had thought maybe it was our Joseph Duggan, but he would've have been too young, being born in 1875, would he not? So maybe we've missed another sibling? Or does anyone have a James Joseph Duggan in their tree?

I also found a Michael Keely, admitted as a son of James Keely on 18/7/1864. This would make him a sibling of Julia Duggan (nee Keely), perhaps the Michael Kealy (b. 1839) that I mentioned in a post above?

Next I looked up James Keely's entry, which was as is mentioned in here in previous posts, on the 20/11/1841 on account of being married to a granddaughter of Richard Guinness (1792). I also found the other names that LKenney has mentioned above, who were entered on the same dates. They were a Richard Kavanagh of 60 Marlborough Street, a law clerk, on account of being a grandson of Richard Guinness; a William Kavanagh of 80 Aungier Street, also a law clerk, also a grandson; and finally Arthur Kavanagh, also of 80 Aungier Street, a cabinet maker who is also listed as a grandson. Now, firstly I'm thinking that these Kavanaghs might be related to the Mary Ann Kavanagh that Liam as mentioned on page 3? I am presuming that one of Richard Guinness' daughters married a Kavanagh, which is where that part of the line starts.

Then, I decided to look through the entire section of 'K's to see if any other Keelys or Kavanaghs were mentioned. ONE month later, the same four men (James Keely, Richard, William and Arthur Kavanagh) are entered AGAIN, but this time the date is the 14/12/1841, and instead of listing Richard Guinness 1792, it refers to a Richard Guinness 1758. However, the relationship to said Richard Guinness (grandsons and married to granddaughter) remains the same, which, except for the dates, would indicate that they are the same man? But how is this possible if Richard Guinness, father of Arthur (brewer) apparently died in 1766?

To try and clear up the confusion, my aim is to get back into the archives at some stage, and find the entries for 1758 and 1792 to determine who is who!

I have my own head muddled from all of this and I'm sure it will confuse the rest of you too!
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: Alicat84 on Sunday 04 September 11 22:28 BST (UK)
So I went back to the archives to have a look at the two Richard Guinness entries.

The 1758 one, lists Richard Guiness as a 'smith', and says that he's a son of William Guiness.

The 1792 entry, as Richard Guinness, just says that he's a 'smith', and no other information.

Logically I would say that these men were father and son, given the dates, but how could they be if James Keely and the Kavanaghs were listed with exactly the same relationship to both? Now there was a William Guinness who was admitted in 1719, as a gunsmith, by service with Laurence Quin, 'smith'. I'm thinking maybe this is our line? I have found contact details for a woman online who claims that this William Guinness was Richard Guinness' (brewer) brother. I've emailed her, but have yet to hear back.
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: mmgeni on Thursday 08 December 11 12:23 GMT (UK)
My great-great-great-grandfather was named Sylvester Joseph Keely, and he was born circa 1830 and emigrated to New York City from Dublin in 1849.  I donít know his parentsí names or where he was from in Ireland, but there are a lot of similarities with your family.  For example, he had children named Mary Ann and James, and he was a printer/compositor in NY.  Iíve identified *possible* siblings in the U.S. named James, Mary and Fanny (Frances).  Thank you for posting this information.  There's a good chance this is my family, but Iím going to sort through it more closely to see if I can find a definite link.
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: taramcdsmall on Thursday 08 December 11 17:43 GMT (UK)
Hi,

this looks like his birth !

http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/8f5a710186454

Tara
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: mmgeni on Thursday 08 December 11 18:50 GMT (UK)
Thanks so much!
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: mmgeni on Thursday 08 December 11 19:18 GMT (UK)
Hi Liam, I live in the US and believe that I am related to this family.  There is a Thomas Roper of Chicago in my tree who is the son of Frances (ďFannyĒ) Keely, born circa 1830 in Ireland.  I am descended from Fannyís brother, Sylvester Keely, who I believe to be the son of James.  Iíve just discovered this thread and am very interested in learning more about my possible connection to this family.  I would love to learn more about some of the letter and documents that you have and would be happy to share any of my own research.
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: Lisa Duggan l3 on Friday 09 December 11 18:51 GMT (UK)
Hi. This must indeed be your family. Delighted to hear from you I can send you a website that we use where you can see the family tree. Its Geni.com and its very clearly set out there. The letter from America to Mary Anne Guinness from her cousin is great to have. I have entered Roper into the web site searching for possible cousins so this is great. Would love to hear more information that you have and I of course will share any photos and information that I have. I have also been to Guinness archives and found our link with the Guinness family which is really great. My name is Lisa Duggan and I am a great grand daughter of Julia Keely. Great to hear from you and look forward to sharing more information. Lisa
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: mmgeni on Friday 09 December 11 20:55 GMT (UK)
Hi, Lisa!  Iíve been tracing my Keely ancestors for years, and itís a thrill to find this connection to Dublin.  Iím really interested to learn about the contents of the letter from Thomas Roper and the exact relation  to the Guinness family Ė as well as more about the Keely origins in Ireland.

Iíve done some research on Thomas Roper and his mother, Fanny Keely Roper, that Iíd be happy to share.  I **think** that Fanny is the sister of Sylvester and Julia, but I havenít been able to find definitive proof.  (Iíll look a little harder now!)

I look forward to seeing the tree on Geni and would be happy to add any of my own information.
Marianne
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: Sevilled on Friday 30 December 11 20:38 GMT (UK)
Hi all

noticed from the family tree  on Geni that there is a death entry for Silvester j.Keeley
for 5th August 1881 age 51 . Posted by alicat
Does this record  still coincide with our american silvester j keeley

Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: mmgeni on Saturday 31 December 11 14:31 GMT (UK)
Hi, I'm descended from Sylvester Keely, and I have a record of his death in 1872 in New York.  Do you have any information on the 1881 record?  I'd like to double check it against my source.  Thanks and happy New Year!
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: Alicat84 on Saturday 31 December 11 14:44 GMT (UK)
Hi everyone, I have a copy at home, I will pull it out as soon as I can! Maybe there were two Silvesters!
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: Lisa Duggan l3 on Thursday 19 January 12 23:02 GMT (UK)
Hi all, Hope you are all enjoying the information that has come to light about the Keely family. To think of all they went through during 1848 failed rebellion.  To read about Thomas Matthew Halpin and his seven month narrative of imprisonment under the suspension act .  Its a really interesting account of life in an irish prison. That he married both Kate Keely and then her sister Maryanne is another interesting twist in the story. The fact that James Keely defended him and Kate gave evidence during his trial is well documented and very interesting to read.  For James Keely having to say goodbye to four of his children and his son in law when they left for America must have been heart breaking. To then take up the threads of their lives and follow what happened to them and the narrative of Sylvester during his time fighting in the American civil war has given a real insight into the type of people the Keelys were. I was also sad to read that James Keely died of cholera and his wife dropped dead in the street of heart failure. Finding the new american cousins and a branch of the Halpins in Wicklow is another branch of our story.
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: arsenal 1 on Sunday 08 July 12 09:53 BST (UK)
hello i wonderd if i am related. my father was thomas duggan he was born 1937 i know his granmother was mary duggan and they lived st marys masions dublin i think .
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: Alicat84 on Sunday 08 July 12 13:27 BST (UK)
Hi Arsenal!

I don't personally know of any Thomas Duggan born in that decade but it's possible that there could be a connection. Do you know his parents' names and ages? Or maybe his grandparents'?
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: arsenal 1 on Monday 09 July 12 20:34 BST (UK)
hi thanks for post.My fathers family is a bit of a mystery he was born 1935 thomas leo duggan.His mother was vanny duggan he did not know his father he was never told what happend to him.But his granmother whitch is vannys mother was called mary duggan. Mary duggan was the person who brought my father up her maiden name was powell. she married  james duggan when my dad lived in dublin he lived in st marys masion sean mcdermott street.He also had a half sister called margaret duggan i remenber her she lived in dublin all her life. THANKS
Title: Re: Duggans - Dublin
Post by: grizzly1 on Tuesday 10 July 12 00:50 BST (UK)
hi thanks for post.My fathers family is a bit of a mystery he was born 1935 thomas leo duggan.His mother was vanny duggan he did not know his father he was never told what happend to him.But his granmother whitch is vannys mother was called mary duggan. Mary duggan was the person who brought my father up her maiden name was powell. she married† james duggan when my dad lived in dublin he lived in st marys masion sean mcdermott street.He also had a half sister called margaret duggan i remenber her she lived in dublin all her life. THANKS
i knew the late tommy duggan and his brother from st marys mansions, they both passed away within a few years of each other apprx 12-15yrs ago..there was also a rita duggan.