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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Norfolk => Topic started by: nanu on Monday 19 April 10 20:14 BST (UK)
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Has anyone links with the following
Soloman Potter b 1808 in Tivitshall but lived in Short Green and Fairgreen Winfarthing till he died in 1888.
He was Married to Pheobe (Possibly surname Banham or born in Banham in1812) Children all born in Winfarthing were Matilda 1829, Mary Ann 1835, Robert 1833, Sarah 1835, George 1838, Elizabeth 1844, Sarah A 1847, Emily 1850 and Soloman 1852
George became a shoemaker and for some reason b/w 1851&1861 he and most of the family moved to Durham area and became miners. Soloman Jnr had a large family after marrying in Durham area in 1874
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This is a submitted IGI entry so proceed with caution. Are you sure Matilda was their daughter
SOLOMON POTTER Spouse: PHEBE BANHAM Marriage: 12 OCT 1831 St Mary The Virgin, Winfarthing
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Extracted record
Children all born in Winfarthing were Matilda 1829
Matilda Potter Christening: 21 FEB 1841 Winfarthing, Norfolk
Father: Solomon Potter Mother: Phabe (Phoebe) Potter
(Matilda is shown as 12 on the 1841 census - wonder if it means 12 weeks?)
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Hi nanu
The Norfolk Marriage Index confirms Solomon and Phoebe marriage date that CaroleW has given.
have you seen this site
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~tinstaafl/Church_Pages/winfarthing.htm#1830
regards
yokel
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Freereg has a good coverage of Tivetshall
http://www.freereg.org.uk/
And you can browse the registers here
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#c=1416598;s=waypointsOnly;w=0;p=waypoint
Jay
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Thanks Guys,
After check the web pages suggested it appears that Matilda was 12weeks in the 1842 census and she does not appear on the 1852 census. The initial reason for the post was that I have Solomon Born Tivitshall 1808 - 1888 father George B 1790 and wife Ann Clark b1792 also in Tivitshall. One member has the same Solomon Born in Starston 1807 father William Born 1778 and wife Sarah. All very confusing.
There is also a large family of Potters living at the same time in Winfarthing headed by a Joel Potter but I have been unable to link these to mine. In a small village I find it hard to believe there is not a linkto them all somewhere.
PS If any of you out there are related then I have a very large tree which I am only to happy to share.
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Hi Guys,
Now this is all getting very confusing. Fact, Solomon Potter was married to a Phebe Banham in 1831 in Winfarthing. There is no record of either in Winfarthing in the 1801, 1811 or 1821 census so they must have moved to Winfarthing between 1821 and 1831. They both lived there till they died in 1888 and had a large family which I have traced to the present date. However I cannot find any record of Solomons birth. One member has it as Starston in 1807 with a parish record but in every census from 1841 Solomon records his birth place as being Tivitshall and in one he records it as being Tivitshall St Mary. A family tree posted on Ancestry has Solomons father as George Potter born 1790 in Tivitshall but I have not been able to verfy this. The only way I can see to verify this once and for all is to access parish records of Tivitshall. If Solomon is recorded then great if not then it looks like it could be Starston. My question is has anyone knowledge of Tivitshall parish registers or an early census being online so I can check. I cannot find any sites where they are.
Mel
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Hi Mel
Tivetshall St Mary & St Margaret PR's are available on http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=waypoint&s=waypointsOnly&c=fs%3A1416598&w=0
yokel
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Thanks Yokel,
Took several attempts for the posted link to work but got there eventually.
Will post results of the research in a few days time.
Mel
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Thanks to Yokel I have spent many hours researching Potters in Tivitshall, Starston and Winfarthing to trace family of Solomon Potter B1808 / 1807.
I would appreciate any comments from anyone on the following research and assumptions.
As stated his census records show that he was born in Tivitshall but there are no parish records that show this. Ancestry and IGI searches show Tivitshall but I presume they have collated this info from the census records.
The only actual parish record of those dates I can find which show a Solomon are those of Starston. The question remains why should he state Tivitshall on his census records?
I have checked baptisms and burials in Tivitshall (Both St Margarets and St Marys) and there are many Potters recorded from 1770 to 1791 then none after this date. There is also a William and Sarah recorded as baptising a daughter in 1882 in Tivitshall. As for Starston the Potters begin being recorded about 1801 onwards to about 1812 which also includes Solomon his parents being William and Sarah. I am assuming that the family left Tivitshall and settled in Starston for some reason although only nominal records or early census would confirm this. I have found many such early records on Genuki but none for Starston or Tivitshall. I dont know if any exists or if they just have not been made available online as yet.
Census records from Winfarthing show that Solomon moved to Winfarthing after 1821 and married Phebe in 1831.
One further thing is that some of the Potters born to William and Sarah in Starston are recorded as being privately baptised and were recieved into the congregation. I do not understand the significance of this if any although Solomon is not one of these privately baptised.
Until I can check nominal registers for Tivitshall and or Starston I can only assume that Solomon was born in Starston and for some unknown reason has given his bith place on the census wrongly
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Hi Mel
Strange that I should come back to this thead after posted on it last year!
I'm helping my cousin on some of her other branches & find her great great grandfather Joel Potter was born at Winfarthing in 1833 to Joel Potter & Mary Ann Parker.
We'd be very interested in any info you may have on this couple or the other Potters of Winfarthing.
Cheers
Jay
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Hi Nanu,
It was often the case of infants who were poorly at birth with a possibility of not surviving, that they were quickly and privately baptised, if they survived there was a procedure where they were "received into the congregation". I'm not quite sure what form the receiving into the congregation took, probably something along the lines of a full baptism in front of the congregation. I did see a post somewhere of a suggestion that perhaps wealthy people may have used private baptisms, how true that is I have no idea.
Regards
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Thanks Findem,
That makes a lot of sense but it won't be the wealthy option from what I have found so far as they were all Agrigcultural Labourers who eventually ventutured North to work in the coal mines.
Thanks for the backgroung information. It's always welcome
Mel
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Hi Jay,
Nice to see you back.
I have come across Joel before but so far have been unable to link him with Solomon although I did suspect they were related in some way. The odds on them being born around the same time and living vitually next door to each other in Winfarthing and not being related is too much of a coincidence.
I have confirmed that Solomon was born in Starston despite stating on his census that he was born in Tivetshall. However his father William was born in Braiseworth, Suffolk as was his grandfather who moved to Tivetshall around 1780ish. From researching all the Tivetshall parish records there appear to be at least 3 families of Potters, George & Elizabeth, William & Sarah and William & Elizabeth going back to the early 1700's and all had large families. I suspect Joel is an offspring of one of these or possibly from one of the Suffolk clan like Solomon.
Will let you know when I find out as I am painstakingly tracing each of the male offspring and see what relationships I turn up. Hopefully someone out there will save all the work and already have the answers.
Regards Mel
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Thanks Mel.
We'll keep plugging away & see what turns up.
Regards
Jay
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New here. As the great grandson of Solomon Potter (Jnr) b1852 I am interested to know more about the circumstances in Winfarthing that caused Solomon, George & possibly others to move to Durham. Poverty was key but if possible I should like more detail.
Other puzzles are the other Potter family living close by that of Solomon (Snr) in the 1841 census. At the very top of this census are 3 children - Sarah, Thomas & Mary two of whom show up again on the 1851 census addressed at the Street, Winfarthing & headed by Thomas & Mary Potter (both aged 40). In 1851 there does not appear to be any record of the Solomon Potter (Snr) family?
Lets hope 2012 will bring some answers. Happy New Year!
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The other Potter family are also confusing me but the more you delve into the Potters of Norfolk the more complicated it becomes. The other family you refer to are possibly headed by a Joel Potter but so far I have been unable to link him into my tree so far. The family really gets complicated when you include 3 families of Potters in nearby Tivetshall St Mary going back to the very early 1700's which includes a Joshua born 1785 who was Solomons uncle.
PS The Solomon Potter Snr family was at Short Green Winfarthing in 1851.
PPS Solomon Potter Jnr is my Great Grand Uncle.
I have a very comprehensive history of the family from the mid 1700's if you give me your Email address I can send you the details and we can compare notes.
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Thanks nanu,
E-mail here is * Any help would be most welcome. When time allows I hope to do more research through Norfolk Ancestor & visit the museum of rural life at Gressenhall.
Am currently 'Voices of the Rural Poor' by Robert Lee which is most interesting.
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Hi I have an Indenture dated 1651 of Cecil Potter gent of Winfarthing..any connection?
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After a long break and a lot of checking records, I can safely say that Solomon Potter was not baptised in Tivetshall as stated on the census records. He only appears on the Startson parish records (which is close by) as previously stated born 30/5/1807 and baptised 20/6/1807 son of William Potter and Sarah.
I have no idea why his birth is stated on the Census as Tivetshall only possibility that he moved there whilst very young but I cannot think of any way to confirm that as the next time he appears anywhere is being married in Winfarthing in 1832. If anyone can suggest other areas of research please feel free
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After a long break and a lot of checking records, I can safely say that Solomon Potter was not baptised in Tivetshall as stated on the census records. He only appears on the Startson parish records (which is close by) as previously stated born 30/5/1807 and baptised 20/6/1807 son of William Potter and Sarah.
I have no idea why his birth is stated on the Census as Tivetshall only possibility that he moved there whilst very young but I cannot think of any way to confirm that as the next time he appears anywhere is being married in Winfarthing in 1832. If anyone can suggest other areas of research please feel free
Just picked up this thread as I have got round to 'my' Potters, Joel was my GGGG uncle son of Thomas and Lydia. Re why do they say Solomon was born in Tivetshall, many of my tribes state they are born somewhere different to the actual place of birth or baptism, I think it is because af lab families moved for work and if you were brought up in Tivetshall for as long as you could remember that is where you would think you were born, they didn't seem to set quite so much importance to this as family historians do! I have also found it necessary to search non-conformist records as many labourers belonged to these chapels. I am sure you have discovered all that for yourself as I note it is some years since this thread was last answered!
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Thanks for the response which is appreciated.
I have come across Joel before but so far have been unable to link him with Solomon although I did suspect they were related in some way. The odds on them being born around the same time and living virtually next door to each other in Winfarthing and not being related is too much of a coincidence. If you know of a link I would be very interested. I didn't realise how big the Potter family is in Norfolk
If as I suspect Solomon was born in Starston then his parents William may have been born in Braiseworth, Suffolk and and Sarah may be Sarah Larkham who were married in Carlton Colville, Suffolk in 1801 but I cannot confirm this at the moment as Suffolk records are difficult to find online.