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Hi My ancestors came to New York USA from or around Killashandra, County Cavan in June 1819. They continued on to York (now Toronto) Ontario , Upper Canada. In May 1820 they were granted land in Middlesex County, Upper Canada. There names were Hugh Davis,& Catherine Murphy. Their children were named Robert, Joseph, and Hugh.I do not know the name of the daughter. I am most interested in finding any relatives still in Ireland and I would be only too happy to tell you about our family since 1819.. Hugh
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Hi Hugh
Sorry we haven't been able to help you so far on this one.
Have you made any progress, or do you have any further details that could help someone to find what you are looking for?
Look forward to hearing from you.
Best wishes
Ticker
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Hello
I have a copy of my x3 great Uncle, William Magee (of Tully House, Killishandra, Cavan). In it he refers to his Aunt Mary Davis and his cousins Eliza Davis and Robert Davis. I am assuming that Aunt Mary is William's father's sister (he was Charles Magee). William Magee's dates are: 1815 - 1878. His father, Charles died 1848.
The will states that they (the Davis's) reside in Loughen, Cavan.
This is all I know of them ... have you seen anything in your research to connect them to you? Have you seen their names?
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Unfortunately Hugh posted the original message in 2004 but hasn't been online since.
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Thank you, aghadowey ... I had a feeling that was going to be the case :o(
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I have Davis in my family from Cavan. 4 brothers, George, John, Robert and Richard. I also have a photo of a Davis house in Cavan, quite a large house. George and his wife Jane Boyd came to Canada. In a letter from a Davis relative it says "The older members of the family had most of them emigrated and when the younger ones were asked to go also, my grandmother declared she would go too, if all her children were going. They came to Quebec and a few years later to Toronto." I believe they came anywhere from 1820's to 1845. Don't know if your Davis' are related??
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Hi Lucille
I know so little about my Davis's, just what I have in the will. Mary Davis, nee Magee, would have been born circa 1770's and her children born circa 1810's. Robert does not appear to be a Magee name, so I assume that the husband of Mary Davis nee Magee, would have been Robert.
Quite possible there is a relationship, but would take much more research.
Any mention I your family writings of family with the name Magee, Mcbride or Berry (These are the families that my Magee sisters married into), or a farmhouse named Tully House?
Based on the date of the will, my Davis cousins were still in Cavan in the 1870's - 80's
regards
Jenni
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Hi,
Although I don't have any information on the Davis family, I found a link for an old newspaper article which mentions the death of:
MAGER. – Feb. 10th, at Tully House, Killeshandra, William Magee, Esq., aged 63 years, deeply and deservedly regretted.
The link is:
http://www.irelandoldnews.com/Cavan/1878/FEB.html
I do remember when my father was alive he mentioned a bit about the Magee family from Killeshandra, I think the name he mentioned was Henry Magee, my father lived in Killeshandra up until 1951.
Margaret
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Hello Margaret
Yes, that's my great ... Uncle :o) I'm excited to 'meet' someone who knows about my old family home. The McHugh family bought it from my Uncle Charles James Douglas, who was a family doctor. CJ's mother was Eliza Douglas nee Magee, sister of William Magee who's death notice you shared.
Would you be able to share any stories that you recall from your dad? I know that my Magee's were Presbyterian. You could send me a note via inbox.
We've been able to visit Tully House a few times, as the McHugh's have been so gracious in allowing us to come.
Jenni
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Hi Jenni
Do you have the names of the Davis children? were they listed in the will? My Davis' were born around the 1780's also. They were educated as Doctors and Lawyers according to my grandmother.
Lucille
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Hi Lucille
They were Robert and Eliza.
Are you in ancestry.com. I am in touch with another lady there, with a marriage connection to my Magee's. she also has Davis in her line, from Cavan area, and the first she has record of was a doctor.
Her tree is called Davis and the owner is Patsie2006
We haven't found connection between our Davis's, but you sound like a probable match?
Let me know if you have access. If not, PM me your email and I can pass it onto her :) I'm sure she will get in touch with you.
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My Davises came from Armagh and Down, though there is a Roscommon connexion in there too somewhere. They were Church of Ireland folk , living it seems near Portadown and in Warrenpoint. One, my gr gr grandfather William born 1790 emigrated to New South Wales in 1833.
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Hullo i am Peter Davis, my ggggrandfather Hugh Davis was from Killyshandra (or Killeshandra) in Cavan. he arrived in NSW Australia in 1853 with his wife Sarah & some of their children. Apparently he was an auctioneer. His wife Sarah was a Dobson, the sister of Parke Dobson. My gggrandfather Robert Davis married Elizabeth Moxham who arrived in NSW with her parents & siblings in 1850. If anyone is connected to them I would very much appreciate making contact, thanks
peter
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Were your Davies protestant or catholic? Not that people didn't marry back and forth, but it was less usual in those times.
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hullo Dave my family was Davis (not Davies) they were Presbyterian
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Sorry - A typo - Davises is what I meant. Mine were CofE&I as it was called then.
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hey all I'm a direct descendent of Hugh Davis .... thought i would say hello...
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Hullo NK Davis, how do you fit in with Hugh Davis?
peter
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he's my several times removed now grate grand father.
settled in st maries (near London Ontario Canada). (most of our cousins still live there.)
in 1836ish. his son Robert tried several times to over though Canada, his book was used as the foundation of canada's constitution by his close friend and revolutionary William lion Mackenzie.
this is robert davis's webpage... created by the government of canada.
http://www.biographi.ca/en/bio/davis_robert_7E.html.
i found it amusing to find another family with it's head hugh in caven around the same time as my family's :). would be interesting to see if there is a related blood line there. your's hugh could be mine's name sake from a brother or cousin or something.
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I've accidentally come across this page whilst researching my own (different) MacKenzie line.
I found it amusing to see the typo slip of "Lion" instead of the correct spelling of "Lyon", which I'm used to seeing as our own Elizabeth, the Queen Mother, was a Bowes-Lyon.
Good luck with your research.
Rena
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hi lucille2
I'm looking at the Davis family again. Do you know where in Cavan your Davis's came from? Any town / townland named?
Jenni
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My Hugh Davis came from Killashandra but also was at some time in Derry Lane. Hughs sister Eliza (Armstrong) Thomas lived at Fermanagh for a time before emigrating to Australia, his brother Thomas stayed at Killashandra & other sister Margaret (Naylor) at Arvagh.
Hope this assists
peter
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Hi Peter
I just responded to your note you left me on IrelandXO ... did you see it yet?
I'm curious if Lucille may also have our place names that could help tie her in as well, hopefully she will get back to us.
Jenni :D
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Hullo jen where are you I am presuming Ireland but it was not clear from the correspondence. I live in Western Australia, but born in Sydney NSW where the Davis's emigrated to in late 1840's & early 1850's. I have Armstrong, Dobson, Naylor & Moxham all from Northern Ireland & usually Presbyterian associated with the Davis family.
I have Longford, Cavan, Derry Lane, Killyshandra, Creevagh Beg Ballymahon, Loughtree, Arvagh all mentioned in articles that i have found about my Davis family.
look forward to hearing more from you Jenni
peter
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Hi Peter
I'm in USA, via South Africa. My Douglas ancestor settled there, from Killeshandra late 1800 & a 100 years later we were on the move again.
I relooked at my Uncle William Magee's will (from 1873): he names his cousin Robert Davis of Laghan, County Cavan & his cousin Eliza Davis now residing in Laghan. A little later he names is AUNT Mary Davis of Laheen, County Cavan. I had assumed there was inconsistant spelling of the place names .... now I wonder.
Your IrelandXO note mentioned the 1841 census and Davis's in Laheen and there we find Thomas Davis with his wife Mary Davis.
My assumption/guess has been that since she is named his (William Magee's) Aunt, that she is the sister of his father Charles Magee. You can find Charles Magee and his family in the 1841 census as well (Living in Tully). You will note that there is a large age difference of 41 years. However Margaret, Charle's wife would have a 23 year age gap with Mary. So if we have a match, then Mary Davis may rather be Margaret's sister ... the 23 year age gap is more reasonable.
If this is the case, then the mother-in-law listed on this 1841 census will be the mother of both Mary Davis and my Margaret Magee (wife of Charles Magee, my x4 great -gradnparents). And living next door or near to is Agnes Davis who has her grandson Thomas NAYLOR with her. Is she Thomas's mother? If so, then the person who made this post says that Agnes's husband was Robert Davis: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/FERMANAGH-GOLD/2014-05/1399177282
Next ... Did Mary Davis marry her cousin Thomas Davis? Mother-in-law is Jane Davis ... was this an error when noting the last name in the census, or was Jane Davis really Jane Davis maiden name unknown? Does anyone have earlier knowledge of this Davis cluster in Tullyhunco to confirm?
I've chatted with my mom, and we thank you as I do think that this Mary Davis must be the family I was looking for. Now that I realize that there is a place named Laheen (separate from Laghan / Loughen), and the same name/place is used in William Magee's will, then its hard to argue otherwise!
I hope that I am helping you as much as you have helped me today!!
What are your thoughts?
AND, yes, the Magee Family was Presbytarian. In the 1841 census you will see Rev Sweeney with the Magee family ... no too long after, later he marries the three Magee sisters. This is likely their church: http://www.iol.ie/~galwill/histpres.htm Part way down you will find a little about him.
I wish that I could find birth record for this church etc ;o(
Jenni
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And .. looking at the names of Charles and Margaret Magee's girls we have:
Eliza Magee (my x3 G Grandmother), then MARY JANE Magee and then Margaret Magee
My bet is that Mary Jane is named after her mother's side .... sister Mary and mother Jane?
That would mean that the mother of my Charles is likely Eliza (or Elizabeth). Do you know about the Irish - Scot naming patterns?
Jenni
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Wow theres a lot to digest in that isnt there?
I will sit down 7 do my best to put the pieces together but I think we are getting very close to tying this up, its made my day. I will write in the next couple of days but its looking good, all the best
peter
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Jenni Agnes davis nee Armstrong was married to Robert Davis, & Thomas davis living nearby is her son
peter
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also Agnes Davis & Jane Davis are both from Fermanagh & both married in 1793
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Hi Peter
Anything to show how Robert Davis fits in with the other Davis's in the area? And anything to indicate who's Jane Davis was married to?
The 1841 census shows that Jane Davis was from Cavan, so I'm curious about her being from Fermanagh?
Somewhere, somehow she seems to be the key to connecting my family with the Davis's so thank you for any help you can give.
Jenni
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Ok, I see that the original 1841 census has jane from Fermanagh, so a transcription error. Humm, that is not helping to solve my puzzle ... How is Mary Davis an Aunt to my Magees? Could Thomas be the brother if my Margaret? Do you have any Davis Magee marriages in your records?
Jenni
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Hi jenni, my hypothesis on our family puzzle is this
thomas davis married mary magee & she is the (aunt) mary davis named in the will, one of their sons was robert (cousin) & the other cousin was eliza who is the unnamed female infant in the census.
With regard to jane davis the mother in law one possibility is that if the census taker may have assumed that jane was a davis when she may in fact may have been a magee, unlikely but a possibility.
Until we corresponded I was unaware of the possibility of there being a davis/magee connection
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Hi Peter :o)
Bear with me please ....
Per the 1841 census, Charles Magee (Husband of Margaret ) was born abt 1774. Jane Davis was born abt 1768.
If Jane is both the mother of Charles Magee and Mary Davis, then we have a problem with the ages of Charles and Jane (6 year age difference). She can't be the biological mother of Charles. Granted Charle's father ( who was James Magee), could have married twice and had Mary Davis by his 2nd wife (possibly Jane Davis). I'm inclined to think this is not the case. The age gap between Mary and Charles (if they are siblings) is 41 years. I do know that Charles had at least one other sibling who as James Magee jr. That means he was likely older than Charles, so we can guess an age difference then of perhaps 43 years with James jr and Mary Davis. Assuming James sr was about 23 -25 years when he married, then we can guess his birth date as circa 1749.
IF Mary is his daughter from a 2nd marriage, then he would have been about 66 years when she was born. Again, not impossible, but I'm thinking not likely?
Am I making sense?
That puts me back to Margaret Magee ... maiden name to be determined, wife of Charles Magee and mother of William Magee who names Aunt Mary etc. The 1841 census shows that she was born abt. 1792 /3 in Cavan.
(1)Thomas Davis was born abt 1797 ... a more realistic age difference IF they are siblings. Thomas's wife Mary would certainly still be an Aunt to the Magee's
(2) Mary Davis was born abt 1815 making her 23 years younger than Margaret. IF they are siblings, this age gap is big but not unheard of (have a few of these in my tree).
I really think that the key lies with Margaret ... who's sibling is she? Is her age listed correctly on the census (something that was not very accurate back then) .. she was born close, it seems, to the marriage date of Agnes & Robert Davis... Does that cancel her out, then, to be their daughter? I do wish that we had headstone or SOMETHING to help us out with this!
Does this change your hypothesis?
jenni
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Hi Peter
What do you know of this Davis Family ... they appear to be related to Thomas? Perhaps the father Henry is Robert (Husband of Agnes) Davis's brother. The names of the daughters interest me as the names are the names given to my Magee Sisters.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1841/Cavan/Tullyhunco/Killashandra/Derrylane/4/
Jenni
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Just wanted to get back to the 1st post about Hugh Davis & Catherine Murphy. As mentioned, our ancestors came to New York USA from or around Killashandra, County Cavan in June 1819. They continued on to York (now Toronto) Ontario , Upper Canada. In May 1820 they were granted land in Middlesex County, Upper Canada. There names were Hugh Davis,& Catherine Murphy. Their children were named Robert, Joseph, and Hugh and Margaret Ann. Unfortunately we don't know any more than that. So not sure if they have siblings in Ireland or if they emigrated with other family members. Not even sure about their date of birth. Any help or leads would be appreciated.
Thanks, Marilyn
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hullo marilyn the names of your davis ancestors are very consistent with my family line so there appears to be some relationship. My earliest identified davis was robert probably born around the mid 1770s who married agnes armstrong born around 1765. their children were Margaret born 1793, Hugh 1795 (my ancestor), Thomas 1797 & Eliza 1804.
In the 1796 Irish flaxgrowers list Joseph, Robert & Henry Davis are listed for Killashandra, so Joseph was also a davis name & the family seemed to stay close together. There is not a lot of information prior to the 1841 census so it is difficult to identify particular people.
My best guess is that your hugh davis may have been a brother, cousin or nephe of my robert davis but we lack critical connecting information.
Good luck let me know if you have any more luck
peter
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Hi My ancestors came to New York USA from or around Killashandra, County Cavan in June 1819. They continued on to York (now Toronto) Ontario , Upper Canada. In May 1820 they were granted land in Middlesex County, Upper Canada. There names were Hugh Davis,& Catherine Murphy. Their children were named Robert, Joseph, and Hugh.I do not know the name of the daughter. I am most interested in finding any relatives still in Ireland and I would be only too happy to tell you about our family since 1819.. Hugh
Hey Cousin, I'm Kelly Davis, son of son of son direct decent of Hugh Davis of Middlesex Counter Upper Canada. i would guess your part of this fellow's family tree http://www.biographi.ca/en/bio/davis_robert_7E.html
(from when we tried to over through Canada :)
as for relatives in Ireland we don't have any... the British shipped the entire family to Canada and changed our name on a promise not to return... that is as far as we get in our history. unless you have a friend in MI6 we don't exist before 1800 :p we have some cousins in California from the other brothers line. and were related to most of the town st marries in London Ontario. (and a few other towns.) contact me and i can link you up with my dad who's done most of the family resurch