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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Australia Lookups completed => Topic started by: livia on Wednesday 21 April 10 12:44 BST (UK)
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I am keen to know the date on which Charles Henry MOTLEY of Adelaide died. From other information I have, I estimate he would have been born around 1870-1880 and died somewhere between 1919 and 1959. He had a son of the same name who was born in 1902 but Charles Jnr moved to Victoria so would not be in the SA record.
Many thanks
Livia
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MOTLEY Charles age 60yrs d. 16 Jan 1934
Status: M, Residence: Mitcham Park, Death Place: Springbank
District Code: Ade, Symbol: I, Reg: 555/345
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And his wife:
MOTLEY Hannah Eleanora widow age 86yrs d. 18 Sept 1965
Relative: Charles Henry MOTLEY [DH]
Residence: Norwood, Death Place: Northfield
District Code: PtA, Symbol: H, Reg:997/6381
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Hi Merlin, can't tell you how pleased I am to have this information - it's part of a family mystery I'm determined to unravel. Thanks so much for your help.
Cheers
Livia
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PS - on Hannah Motley's death entry, can you tell me what 'DH' means? Both her son and her late husband were Charles Henry
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PS - on Hannah Motley's death entry, can you tell me what 'DH' means? Both her son and her late husband were Charles Henry
DH = Deceased Husband
Symbol H = Died in hospital
On Charles's:
Status M = Married
Symbol I = Died in an Institution (that could be a aged care or the likes also)
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Fantastic, thanks again. Merlin indeed! :)
Livia
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Livia - a link that explains all the symbols on SA Certs
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=368748.0
Cando
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Thanks, Cando, that will be very handy.
Cheers
Livia
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Livia it is possible to purchase transcriptions of certificates in South Australia. Much cheaper than a certified certificate.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,280572.msg1367795.html#msg1367795
Details on ALL certificates in South Australia
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=368744.0
From 1948 places of burial were noted on death certificates. I wonder if Charles Henry and Hannah are buried together.
Charles died in District Adelaide [Ade] If you do not live in Adelaide, the Unley Library offer free transcriptions of events in District Ade only.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/08ih/
There is a downloadable form on the website. Perhaps you should note the information that is available on death certificates in 1934...it may not be of much use to you apart from number of issue...no names on SA certs.
Cheers
Cando
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Thanks again, Cando, I will investigate further through the links you have provided. Hannah outlived her husband by 30-odd years and was buried with a sister, so Charles must be somewhere else.
Not knowing that wonderful Rootschatters would be able to give me Charles' death date, I trawled SA cemetery sites but couldn't find a mention of him anywhere. From what I know, I wouldn't be surprised if the poor man ended up in a pauper's grave.
Can't wait to finish work for the day and push on with this.
Livia
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I trawled SA cemetery sites but couldn't find a mention of him anywhere. From what I know, I wouldn't be surprised if the poor man ended up in a pauper's grave.
Livia
There will be a burial record for Charles even if he was buried in a public grave as a 'pauper'. In which cemetery was Hannah buried?
Cheers
Cando
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Hannah was buried at Cheltenham Cemetery, with her sister Jane Ann who died in 1949.
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Hi Livia,
Are you related to the Motleys? Well hope this is good news for you as I am related to them via the Enright line. My grandmother Ada May Enright is the daughter of Michael John Enright. Her sister is Aunty Gert. I have done quite a bit of work on the Enrights/Motleys. I would have to check my records but I think Dorothy has died. I am in touch with her children in Adelaide though.
If you would like to provide me with your email address (via pm) we could correspond. I'm writing this at work at the moment so will need to be home to check my records.
Regards
Suzanne
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Hi,
I would be interested in any information you have on the Motley's. I believe that I too, may somehow be related to them.
Regards,
Jo
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Livia has been logged in recently and I hope she has notifications turned on.
I trawled SA cemetery sites but couldn't find a mention of him anywhere. From what I know, I wouldn't be surprised if the poor man ended up in a pauper's grave.
Livia
There will be a burial record for Charles even if he was buried in a public grave as a 'pauper'. In which cemetery was Hannah buried?
Cheers
Cando
MOTLEY Charles age 60yrs d. 16 Jan 1934
Status: M, Residence: Mitcham Park, Death Place: Springbank
District Code: Ade, Symbol: I, Reg: 555/345
Merlin
This information wasn't online in 2010.
Burial at West Terrace Cemetery.
MOTLEY, Charles
Burial 19 January 1934 60 years
Section-Road 5 Extension Row Number C1 Site Number 31
Cando
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Wonderful - thanks, Cando :)
Livia
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Livia may I know what relation you have to Henry? I am his great granddaughter.
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Livia I am unable to reply through personal message. If you have Facebook, feel free to add me and contact me through there!
My names Charlotte Motley, I'm 21 and am in Melbourne Australia, hopefully you can find me with that information.
Henry is my great grandfather. Once he moved to South Australia he married Stella Thouliss and had two children, Neil Charles Motley is my grandfather and he passed away 10 years ago at 58years old.
If you have any issues in contacting me please let me know. I'd like to chat further with you.
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And yes you are right. There is Henry Charles and then Henry Charles jr who is my greatgrandfather. His son is Neil Charles, my grandpa
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PS - on Hannah Motley's death entry, can you tell me what 'DH' means? Both her son and her late husband were Charles Henry
DH = Deceased Husband
Symbol H = Died in hospital
On Charles's:
Status M = Married
Symbol I = Died in an Institution (that could be a aged care or the likes also)
The above explanation is incorrect. Symbol I on death certificates in South Australia indicates.....
I. Indefinite Death Date Registered such as about 16 Jan 1934.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article36471852
The Advertiser 19 Jan 1934
Man Found Dead In Hills Identified
The man who was found dead on Wednesday at Springbank, has been identified as Charles Motley, 60, unemployed laborer, of Kingston avenue, Mitcham Park. It is said that he left home on Saturday evening with the intention of walking to the Murray in search of work. An inquest will be held at 2.30 pm. on Tuesday by the City Coroner (Mr. Blackburn).
I suggest you search TROVE http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/ using "Charles Motley" and "Charles Henry Motley"....a number of court appearances. Not a happy household.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article209882809
The Express and Telegraph Adelaide 7 Jan 1909
....... Charles Motley, of Adelaide, bird-dealer, was summoned to show cause why he should not contribute towards the support of his three children. Hannah Motley, of Sturt-street said she left the defendant about ten weeks ago, because he abused her and was drinking. She asked for 10/ per week towards the support of the children. The defendant said he was willing to pay the amount asked for, and to take his wife home again it she would go. The bench made an order for the payment of 10/ per week.
Cando
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The South Australian Police Gazette 29 Nov 1922 Page 361
WARRANTS ISSUED.
A warrant has been issued at Adelaide for the arrest of CHARLES MOTLEY, described as poultry dresser and labourer, 49 years of age, 5 ft 5 in high, dark hair (turning grey), bluish grey eyes, ordinary nose, medium build, scar on chin; charged that on the 10th Nov 1922, at Adelaide, he did violently and maliciously declare and threaten one HANNAH ELEANOR MOTLEY. He is therefore to be arrested and brought before the Police Court, Adelaide, to be further dealt with according to the law. Warrant filed at Criminal Investigation Branch, Adelaide.
The South Australian Police Gazette 29 Jan 1934
INQUESTS
Adelaide - On 23 January 1934, on the body of CHARLES MOTLEY, aged 60 years late of No 62 Kingston Avenue, Mitcham Park, labourer.
Verdict - "I find that Charles Motley, 60 years late of 62, Kingston Avenue, Mitcham Park, came to his death at Springbank on or about 16 January 1934, from general exhaustion."
Cando
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And this appears to be Charles Henry's son born 1902 SA and died Armadale, Victoria in 1966 and there are a number of articles about him and his then wife Gertrude Margaret ENRIGHT on TROVE.
The South Australian Police Gazette 26 Jun 1935 Page 254
A warrant in the first instance has been issued for CHARLES HENRY MOTLEY, described as a native of South Australia, born 1902, 5 ft 9 in high, slight build, fair complexion and hair, brown eyes; charged that is a near relative within the meaning of the Maintenance Act 1926, of John Henry Motley aged 11 years or thereabout, and he is able to pay for the past and future maintenance of the said child. He is therefore to be brought before the Police Court, Adelaide. Warrant filed at C I Branch, Adelaide.
Birth
MOTLEY Jack Henry
28 May 1923
Father Charles Henry MOTLEY Mother Gertrude Margaret ENRIGHT
At Adelaide Ade 115A/485A
Cando
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Henry is my great grandfather. Once he moved to South Australia he married Stella Thouliss and had two children, Neil Charles Motley is my grandfather and he passed away 10 years ago at 58years old.
Did Charles Henry Jr divorce his first wife whom he married in 1920 in South Australia?
Stella Alice Margaret THOULISS was born in 1911 at Quambatook and lived at Wycheproof. She is enrolled to vote at several addresses using her maiden name up to the time of her death. It appears they did not marry possibly as Charles Henry's legal wife, Gertrude Margaret ENRIGHT was still alive in South Australia. She died in 1978 and is buried at Enfield Memorial Park.
http://www.aca.sa.gov.au/Records
Australian Electoral Roll
1942
MOTLEY Charles Henry Riverbank, Swan Hill. Labourer
THOULISS Stella Alice 15 Sutheland Street, Carnegie North HD
1943
MOTLEY Charles Henry 119 Napier Street, Fitzroy Labourer
1949, 1954
MOTLEY Charles Henry 42 Osborne Street, South Yarra Labourer
THOULISS Stella Alice 42 Osborne Street, South Yarra Cleaner
1963
MOTLEY Charles Henry 45 Peel Street, Prahran Nil occupation
THOULISS Stella Alice M 45 Peel Street, Prahran HD
Stella's death registered as MOTLEY but burial record in the name of THOULISS
Fawkner Memorial Park
THOULISS Stella Alice M Cremation Service date 16 Sep 1966
Charles Henry's burial record at Springvale Botanical Cemetery
http://smct.org.au/deceasedsearch/result/312048
Neil Charles MOTLEY's burial record shows his birth as 25 Jun 1949.
http://www.gmct.com.au/deceased-search.aspx
Cando
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I thought much of this research was familiar
Previous relevant thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=342861.0
Cando
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Henry (Mick) never did marry Stella although she was known as his wife.
May I ask. Who you are and how you know this information about my family?
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Hi there char90,
Welcome to RootsChat, a great place to receive help from experienced volunteers looking up their offline resources (often collected to assist when researching their own family) to share sightings with other RChatters seeking help.
If you click on the live link that Cando posted (reply #24) you can read through a thread from 2008 that Livia commenced about Hannah Eleanora Motley nee Madison. You will see some of the responses there were from Cando, and various other regulars.
PS Here's a live link to the RChat Resources Board for Australia, with sub-boards for each state/territory, loads of links to free to search online resources
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/australia-resources-offers/
JM
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Hi char90,
May I ask. Who you are and how you know this information about my family?
You have joined a public family history forum where members help one another with their research. There are many resources for researching about your ancestors. JM has given you a link to the resources board and then there are online subscription only websites that have many indexes for bdm's, electoral rolls etc. I also have quite a lot of resources which I use to help other people.
Henry (Mick) never did marry Stella although she was known as his wife.
and you wrote previously
Henry is my great grandfather. Once he moved to South Australia he married Stella Thouliss and had two children, Neil Charles Motley is my grandfather and he passed away 10 years ago at 58years old.
You need to be as accurate as possible with your information. It is obvious that Charles Henry Jnr did not move to South Australia. He was born there in 1902 and married in 1920. He actually left a wife and two children in South Australia and by 1942 was living on the riverbank at Swan Hill. It is possible that you have been given family stories that may have become distorted over the years.
Do you need any further help with your research?
Cando
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No I have more than the right information about my own family. He moved back and forth in search of work.
As did his son Henry Charles jr. married in SA and then moved to Victoria where he met Stella Thouliss (my great grandmother) and had two more children.
Both men where alcoholics and died of the same disease from their addictions.