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Title: 1861 Mold, Arddunwent DAVIES CLOSED! With thanks.
Post by: MissM on Wednesday 28 April 10 21:28 BST (UK)
I was sent the following information here on Roots chat about 4 years ago.

I don't know where the time has gone inbetween but I'm trying to pick up the threads of this line again and would appreciate a look up in the 1861 census for them.

Thomas was born in Llanbedr about 1784
Jane was born in Llandynwy in about 1785
2 daughters born in Llanychan
Harriet born about 1827 
Sarah born about 1821

I am almost certain they are the family of David Davies born 1814 in Llanychan  whose history I have but any other information would help build up the wider picture.

Thanks in advance!

MissM
Title: Re: 1861 Mold, Arddunwent DAVIES
Post by: hiraeth on Wednesday 28 April 10 22:46 BST (UK)
1861 Census
Rainbow Public House, Arddynwent
RG9/4276/20/8
Thomas Davies, age 77, Publican, born Llanbedr
Jane Davies, age 76, born Llandyrnog
Thomas Davies, son in law, age 37, Publican, born Cilcen
Harriet Davies, dau, age 34 born "Llawyshan'  (looks more like Llanychan)
Mary Davies, dau, age 9
Jane Davies, dau 7
John Davies, dau 3
children all born Arddynwent, Flintshire
Title: Re: 1861 Mold, Arddunwent DAVIES
Post by: MissM on Wednesday 28 April 10 23:19 BST (UK)
Hi Hiraeth,

Thanks so much for the quick reply!

All this will help a lot with filling in the family tree. I had found Harriet later on married to Thomas Davies which confused me for a while - did she really marry her father??!!  I presume all those younger ones are her children otherwise Jane was still giving birth at age 73.....  ;)

One last question please, is there a census for this area for 1841 and if so, can I access it anywhere online?  I know the 41 records are scant.

Thanks for your help,

MissM
Title: Re: 1861 Mold, Arddunwent DAVIES
Post by: Paul on Wednesday 28 April 10 23:49 BST (UK)
1861 Census
Rainbow Public House, Arddynwent
RG9/4276/20/8
Thomas Davies, age 77, Publican, born Llanbedr
Jane Davies, age 76, born Llandyrnog
Thomas Davies, son in law, age 37, Publican, born Cilcen
Harriet Davies, dau, age 34 born "Llawyshan'  (looks more like Llanychan)
Mary Davies, dau, age 9
Jane Davies, dau 7
John Davies, dau 3
children all born Arddynwent, Flintshire

Nice one H, I'll see If I can find anything in parish registers.

A Thomas Davies married a Harriet Davies. Mold St Marys 1849 :) could be a good start :-\

Paul.
Title: Re: 1861 Mold, Arddunwent DAVIES
Post by: MissM on Thursday 29 April 10 00:08 BST (UK)
Thanks for getting in touch Paul.  I'm thrilled with the info Hiraeth has given me.  The family have often driven past the Rainbow Pub in the past! If I can just fit in a son, David Davies b c 1814 in Llanychan it will bring the whole family together.

It's that long since I looked at this line for my husband, I can't remember how I found Thomas and Jane - they're just on the tree from the last time I worked on it!  I do have a reference to Tyn y Coed farm on it if that's any help

Thanks for your offer of help.

MissM
Title: Re: 1861 Mold, Arddunwent DAVIES
Post by: hiraeth on Thursday 29 April 10 00:17 BST (UK)
Hi MissM

Do you have the family in 1851?  They are at the Rainbow - Thomas is listed as Inn keeper.  Harriet Davies and her husband Thomas Davies are already married, so the 1849 marriage that Paul found might well be theirs.  Sarah Davies, age 30 is still at home.  Let me know if you want complete details :)

Sadly I think this area comes under the "missing" 1841 pages - can't see anything in any case.    

Heather
Title: Re: 1861 Mold, Arddunwent DAVIES
Post by: MissM on Thursday 29 April 10 15:30 BST (UK)
Hi Heather

This is all I have for 1851:

Thomas was born in Llanbedr about 1784
Jane was born in Llandynwy in about 1785
2 daughters born in Llanychan
   Harriet born about 1827 
   Sarah born about 1821

So I didn't know they were in the Rainbow.  My father in law was refused a drink in there as a young lad because they thought he didn't look old enough!

David Davies (hopefully their son) was living in the High St in Mold in 1851 as a Publican with his wife Eliza and their three children.  I also have them in the 1841 census aged 27 and 26 living in the Star Inn in Llanganhafal.  Obviously pubs run in the family!

I just need proof now that David is the son of Thomas and Jane but I don't know where else to look!

Thanks again for your help.

Lynne
Title: Re: 1861 Mold, Arddunwent DAVIES
Post by: MissM on Thursday 29 April 10 18:16 BST (UK)
Hi Paul and Heather

I have been going back through all my files to refresh my memory on how I found Thomas and Jane and I have discovered a cousin of my husbands had found David's christening certificate in the local records office in Rhuthin. 

David was Baptised in Llanychan Church and his parents name were Thomas and Jane.  However they lived in Tyn y Coed cottage in Rhos at this time which was 1813/1814. We stopped there because we didn't know how to go on further. 

I am really hoping these are the same couple in the Rainbow because my father in law stopped for a pint there many years ago every time he visited the area.  I think the fact that the girls were born in Llanychan augers well for a family connection but can't think of any way to prove it.  There would be no census that shows them all living together by the looks of it.

Anyway, thanks for all your help.  It is really appreciated.  And we are all thrilled to have a (tentative) connection to the Rainbow Inn!

Lynne

Lynne
Title: Re: 1861 Mold, Arddunwent DAVIES
Post by: hiraeth on Thursday 29 April 10 20:46 BST (UK)
Hi Lynne

Do you have a marriage for Thomas Davies & Jane?  Looking at their ages they likely married c1806 possibly at Llandyrnog.  You could try posting a look up on the Denbighshire Lookups Board.

Do you know if your relative checked the PRs at Llanychan for any siblings of David?

Heather   
Title: Re: 1861 Mold, Arddunwent DAVIES
Post by: MissM on Thursday 29 April 10 22:01 BST (UK)
Hi Heather

This cousin just gives us little snippets now and again when she has time, and sadly they don't include the siblings names.

We've had a few 'bum steers' along the way but we're feeling a lot more positive no
I will post their wedding on the board and see if anyone can help to confirm anything and I'll let the cousin know everything in case she feels like another trip into Rhuthin!

Thanks again,

Lynne
Title: Re: 1861 Mold, Arddunwent DAVIES
Post by: Paul on Thursday 29 April 10 22:57 BST (UK)
Hello, Mold marriage April 13 1849.
Thomas Davies. full age. bachelor. labourer. llanferres. father, Robert. Occ, farmer
Harriet Davies. full age. spinster. Afonwen? father. Thomas. Publican.
Witnesses. William Lloyd & Elizabeth Mathews.

Llanychan baptisms. Children of Thomas & Jane Davies Tyn y Coed. Occ, Farmer.
Feb 1 1812. Elizabeth.
Dec 31 1813. David.
Dec 1 1817. Jane.
April 20 1820. Sarah.
May 22 1824. Ann.
I didn't see a Harriet :( I'll have another look :)

H could be on the right track with her Llandyrnog marriage.

Llandyrnog Dec 9 1809.
Thomas Davies. Abode, Llangynhafal.
Jane Williams(x). Of This Parish.
Witnesses. Robert Jones(x) & Mary Williams(x)
(x)=didn't sign made mark.

Paul.
Title: Re: 1861 Mold, Arddunwent DAVIES CLOSED! With thanks.
Post by: MissM on Friday 30 April 10 19:42 BST (UK)
Hi Paul,

This is fantastic information!  Having Sarah and David almost certainly from the same parents has convinced me I'm looking at the same Sarah in the Rainbow Inn as the one in 1851 in Tyn y Coed. The DOB/Bap dates certainly seem suspiciously close!

Thank you Paul for all your work on this.  I think you have helped me before in other parts of the family tree and I'm very grateful for all your efforts.

Lynne

Title: Re: 1861 Mold, Arddunwent DAVIES CLOSED! With thanks.
Post by: Paul on Friday 30 April 10 22:44 BST (UK)
Hi Paul,

This is fantastic information!  Having Sarah and David almost certainly from the same parents has convinced me I'm looking at the same Sarah in the Rainbow Inn as the one in 1851 in Tyn y Coed. The DOB/Bap dates certainly seem suspiciously close!

Thank you Paul for all your work on this.  I think you have helped me before in other parts of the family tree and I'm very grateful for all your efforts.

Lynne



The missing link :D  Llanychan baptism.
 
Feb 2 1827. Harriet d/o Thomas & Jane Davies. Tyn y Coed. Fathers Occ, Farmer :)

Paul.
Title: Re: 1861 Mold, Arddunwent DAVIES CLOSED! With thanks.
Post by: MissM on Friday 30 April 10 23:22 BST (UK)
Paul - that's brilliant!!!   ;D The final piece of the jigsaw!  Thank you so much for searching this out for us!

My father in law, David (Davies obviously!) is 85 now and as a 16 year old would cycle (yes, cycle...) from Garston in Liverpool with his best mate on a Friday night after work to camp at Loggerheads for the weekend.  They liked to go in the Rainbow for a pint or two while there!

Once when they went in a policeman came in and tried to make Dave leave because he looked a lot younger than he was but the owner came through and said if Dave left the policeman could go too and then took the officer through to the back for a swift half!

Dave has holidayed near Cyffylliog for many years and passed the Rainbow Inn almost every weekend for 50 odd years so he is thrilled to learn of this link and has asked me to sincerely thank you for your hard work.  He can't believe you would do all this for him for free!

If you're ever in the Rainbow and notice a little, blond, scouse fellow called Dave who doesn't look 85, get him to buy you a pint!   :D

Best wishes,

Lynne

PS  Just for the record our David above was born in 1925 in Liverpool is the son of Alfred (and Emily Rose Smith) b 1880 in Liverpool, the son of Evan (and Elizabeth Wright) b 1848 Mold, the son of David (and Eliza) b 1814 in Llanychan who was the son of Thomas (and Jane Williams) b 1784 in Llanbedr!
Title: Re: 1861 Mold, Arddunwent DAVIES CLOSED! With thanks.
Post by: Paul on Saturday 01 May 10 00:08 BST (UK)
A good result Lynne :)

To tell the truth, hiraeth pointed me in the right direction. I just look in the parish records when I'm in the archives  :-[

Paul.
Title: Re: 1861 Mold, Arddunwent DAVIES CLOSED! With thanks.
Post by: hiraeth on Saturday 01 May 10 01:15 BST (UK)
Now don't be modest Paul.   You are the one who does all the real work  :)

Lynne - David Rowe from the Mold Civic Society has written a book called Flintshire Pubs & Breweries, published by the History Press published in June 2009.  I wonder if there is anything in there re the Rainbow?   It's for sale through various online sites.

Heather
Title: Re: 1861 Mold, Arddunwent DAVIES CLOSED! With thanks.
Post by: MissM on Saturday 01 May 10 01:32 BST (UK)
Thank you too Heather for your contributions!  My family is delighted - not just by getting the information which was great, but finding a link to the Rainbow Inn was the icing on the cake!

I will have a look online for the David Rowe book.  Dave's family seem to have lived in quite a few pubs around the area!!!   ;D

Best wishes,

Lynne