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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Somerset => Topic started by: seymour14 on Friday 30 April 10 09:25 BST (UK)
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Hello from New Zealand, I am trying to find any family members related to George Turner Seymour or his father George Penrose Seymour who may be left in England, that may be able to assist me with my quest on discovering there lives and times.
I know some of their stories, but am trying to track down any remaining family who may have had connections via the surnames Coleridge, Richardson, Sewell, Metford, Wright etc... The jackpot for me would be someone who has photos of family members from the 1860's to 1880's as my intentions is to write a book on the family history.
Please reply if you are a relative!
I already have every snippet of information available from the internet, and from books, what I need now is family members to appear out of the woodwork!
Thanks for any help.
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hi
Just a thought If you have the family connection on census in uk, it maybe to your advantage to give the info. I have noted when detailed info is placed the over all story can be seen and it might be the info that another person is looking for and hence a family connection is found. If you don't have info ask for the help and that will work also.
Like I said just a thought
cheers cardiff ;)
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I will give this a go for a while, I have the funny feeling that I have most of what there is to know, many of the books I have read on the Seymour's of this period are quite wrong with a lot of their detail, this makes me wonder if there is anyone out there who knows any better! I am truly hoping so.
George Turner Seymour had many sons and daughters: Marrianne Billingsley (1815-1849) married Robert Burleigh Sewell, from Isle of Wight (his brother Henry was recognised as first Prime Minister of New Zealand).
George Alexander (1816-1838) who died young and was buried at Kings College Chapel.
Mary Louisa (1820-1880) married Dr Ralph Richardson of Greenfield Hall, Flintshire.
John Billingsley (1822-1843) Scholar of Newcastle and Balliol college who also died young.
Jane Fortescue (1824-1878) married John Duke Coleridge, who became Lord Chief Justice of England.
Henry Fortescue (1826-1900) married Bessie (daughter of Bishop Lloyd), he was Rector of Barking.
Harriette Anne,(1830-1915) Spinster. Emily Catherine,(1833-1922) Spinster.
Arthur Penrose(1832-1923) & Herbert Cam (1835-1915) who came to Marlborough Province, New Zealand.
The Wrights and Metfords are linked via marriage from George Penrose Seymours sisters. Joseph Metford married Louisa Cam Seymour and Harriette Ann Seymour married a William Wright. (Both gentleman were Merchants of Bristol).
Thanks for any leads to family members.
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Hi
I am a volunteer for the National Trust at Tyntesfield, and researching its' history involves Belmont as you know. The name is Terry by the way.
I will send you a photo of a memorial in Wraxall Church which will give you some more info, but the dates do not seem to match up with those you have.
Louisa Seymour's maiden name was Cam. The Rev George Turner Seymour married Marianne Billingsley.
Belmont was leased to George Gibbs in 1828, the year after GPS's death, by GTS and MS, and sold to GG in 1832. In October 1842 the Seymours offered Tyntesfield to William Gibbs, Cousin of George Gibbs of Belmont, he agreed to buy in June 1843 and finally paid the money (£21295 3s) in April 1844. One book says the Seymours decided to go to the Isle of Wight after the death of 2 sons, but this may be incorrect.
You may know that the Belmont estate was left to GPS by a William Turner, probably late 1800's.
Feel free to contact if you wish, maybe email will be easier.
Regards
Terry
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sorry wrong pic, will try again!!
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Hi
there you go!
cheers cardiff ;)
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:)Thanks very much ( I did have this picture, as I contacted Wraxall Church 6 months ago ), but all the same thanks very much. My dates are all correct, the ones you have quoted are other family members. George Penrose Seymour 1766-1827, his wife who died in 1853, GTS's brother (Henry) and wife, and GTS. My dates relate to GTS sons and daughters.
By the way ( I am about to ruin history here ), the Gibbs family did not name Tyntesfield!!! It was called Tyntesfield by the Seymour's after their refit, it was named this by 1838, while they still owned it. The Gibbs have had all the benefit of this name conferred on them in every book I have read on the subject. They are all wrong!! Also much of the early Seymour's work has been written out of history in the same manner, that's why I am writing a book, to set the scene straight again.
Thanks for the help, if you need to know more, I look forward to your comments.
Cheers.
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Yes I agree with your dates GPS and Louisa, of course they are on the tablet. I am now truly intrigued by what you have found out, can you tell me (and the National Trust) or I have I got to wait for the book? I would of course respect your wishes and keep confidential any info you deemed so.
I see I made a mistake with William Turner leaving the house in the 'late 1800', I of course ment the late 1700s.
I am sending some photos of the house, which you may already have, but in case you have not it won't hurt. Tynt1 is , as far as we know, the house purchased by William in 1844. Tynt 2&3 shows the house after Foster's alterations , believed completed in 1844. The gothic mansion there today was done between 1863 and1865 with John Norton the architect.
You may be correct about the name, but will you tell me your reasoning? The diary entry for Sat 8th October 1842, says 'Mr Seymour.... offered Tyntesfield to William, this was of course before William agreed to buy it!
As you may know the Gibbs' archive has been taken by the family and remains closed. It was only for a short while after Lord Wraxall's death, when James Miller wrote 'Fertile Fortune' which has some errors. The book which has most credence was written by David Hogg called Diaries of Tyntesfield, basically the diaries of the extended Gibbs family who were all very close, and so we get a good picture of what went on. For info the ISBN 978-0-9554457-3-6.
Look forward to the next instalment.
Regards
Terry
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Hi
I can't wait either!
cheers cardiff :o
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I have three good explanations. First is if you look in the Somerset Archives. Type in George Turner Seymour Tyntesfield. One hit talks about deeds done in August 1840, when the estate was already called Tyntesfield.
Two, I have a poem here written in 1839, when the mother Marianne Seymour and two of her siblings left to live in France, and there are two references to Tyntesfield in a poem of 1839. Thirdly, my Great Great Grandfather, Arthur Penrose Seymour, bought a farm in Marlborough, New Zealand, which he named Tyntesfield (after the place he was born, and grew up in).
There is no doubt more out there to prove this, but I am convinced it is airtight!
By the way, I also believe that William Turner of Belmont is Louisa Cam's Uncle, not a paternal Uncle of George Turner Seymour as some books attest.
Thank you very much, keep up the good work! I look forward to hearing more about Belmont, were there any paintings done of this house that are old?
Many thanks for the pictures also.
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Hi
You may well be right, I will look into the name thing and the William Turner relationship. I have got hold of the Savilles sale catalogue for the Tyntesfield estate from 2002, I will scan in the floor plans and pics if you want them, but I have not got any old pics.
I do not understand the ref to France, from the diary entries, which I would put complete faith in, I understood Mr and Mrs were visiting the Gibbs up to the sale. Or was this after they left Wraxall, but then the records indicate they were in the Isle of wight?
I will look into further and come back to you.
I have heard that there is a Tyntesfield in NZ.
Talk later.
Regards.
Terry.
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My fault there, the poem was written by the daughter Marianne, now that I have reread it. She left for France with Arthur Seymour in 1839, after the death of George (their brother). Marianne looked after Arthur, as she was a lot older and he was about 7 or 8 years of age. The poem is dated and about 30 lines long, from a notebook of the same era.
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Hi there again
Nothing new to report, although I am attending a meeting at Tyntesfield on Wednesday to discuss research, maybe something will come out of it.
What do you mean by 'refit' mention in post of 20th Aug? Do you know what was done, by whom (architect) and date etc?
Lastly, the paternal uncle relationship would have been to George Penrose Seymour?
Regards
Terry
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No ideas on the refit at this stage, dates or person(s), but it seems logical that a place gets a new name to reflect its new personality.
Louisa Cam was George Penrose Seymour's wife, I believe that William Turner is related to her, as opposed to GPS. So Belmont was bequeathed down Louisa's family lines, and I believe he was her uncle. This is based on the Will of William Turner who gives money to all his relatives who were or had been Cam's (and of course Hannah More, but that's another story!). Louisa Cam was living with William Turner before the marriage to George Penrose Seymour, which gives more credence to their relationship.
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Hi
This gets more and more interesting. Can you give me the link to find the will, or can you show me the copy?
Looking at the Somerset Archives I found one ref DD\AHW/3/5 acc c/2428(a) which mentions Rev GTS of Tyntes Place. If I get the chance I will go to the archive to look for myself, but I think it is closed at the moment as they are moving.
Do you know when the Tyntesfield land was purchased by the Seymours?
DD\AY/1 covenant to produce deeds for mansion called Belmont 1779.
Anymore info will be greatly appreciated.
Regards
Terry
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Hi,
I am descended from Harriett Cam, who was the sister of Louisa Cam who married George Penrose Seymour. From my research I can tell you that William Turner of Belmont was the first cousin once removed of Harriett and Louisa Cam. Harriett and Louisa's mother was Elizabeth Cam, nee Plaister, who was the first cousin of William Turner of Belmont, (and also his brother John, and sister Hester).
I have corresponded previously to "Seymour14" in a few emails, and I think I mentioned that the common ancestors of the Cam, Plaister and Turner families was John Cobb and his wife Hester.
There is the possibility that George P. Seymour was also blood related to William Turner (not just related through his wife) but I have found no evidence of that, despite what is written in various books about William Turner being his uncle. However, this possibility shouldn't be discounted. Cousins seemed to marry cousins in those days.
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Hi
I have found a reference in the Somerset archives that records the sale of land at Wraxall and Nailsea by Sir Charles Tynte to William Turner. When the archive reopens I will go down to have a look, to see if the William Turner is the one we are interested in and same for the land.
I would still appreciate the reference for WT's will if that's possible.
Will keep you updated if I learn more.
Regards
Terry
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I know nothing of the family but I do see there is a PCC will for William Turner of Wraxall proved 1804 at The National Archives - is he your man? You can search here and buy a digital copy. http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/browse-refine.asp?CatID=6&searchType=browserefine&pagenumber=1&query=*&queryType=1
Carole
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Yes he's the man, I have ordered a copy of the will.
Thanks for the info.
Terry
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I am new to Roots and have just picked up your posts about Belmont and Tyntesfield. Thought you might like to know that Belmont has just gone on the market with apx 220 acres with a price guide of £3,200,000. All the best with the book.
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The attached link to North Somerset Council may be of interest - it is the 2003 Interim architectural report for Belmont. Sorry if I am sending you info you already have.
wam.n-somerset.gov.uk/.../Application%20Support%20Info-1764602.pdf?...
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Thanks everyone for your messages, I have had major problems with my computer now for some months, and have only just got to read everyones comments. The book is now 450 pages on, so I have not been mucking about. Still hopeful to find some more of the early history of Tyntesfield, but doing this from New Zealand makes it a hard proposition.
:) Keep up the good work, and Happy New Year to all!
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Hi folks, the book on the Seymour's who once owned Tyntesfield is 99% done. I have two last problems. When I lost my computer a while ago, all my email links went with it, now I have no way of tracing down Lawrence Sherwin, who helped me with the family tree, if you see this, please contact me. Second problem is tracking down James Miller, the author of 'Fertile Fortune', the story of Tyntesfield, I need to ask him a couple of questions, and all my attempts at finding his email address have come up short.
Thanks for any help with this one, if I come up with some sort of funding, the book will be out this year, if not, it may end up a family history book with only a handful of copies made. I am working on this one, but times are tough!
Anyone with any remaining 'shock' stories of the Seymour's of Tyntesfield, Farringford or the New Zealand connection, it is not too late!!
All the best and Happy Easter to all. :)
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Hello from New Zealand again, have finished my 600 page book on the Seymour's of Tyntesfield (and all their other lovely homes, of which there are a dozen or more). Here's a little brain teaser for you with the picture I have added, it is out of the Seymour's solid silver photo album, but where and what is the name of this little gem? Is it from around Wraxall, or the Isle of Wight, or Clifton House from nearby Bristol (not Clifton Hill house obviously)? I am chaffing at the bit to find out whether it still exists or not, but from New Zealand I can not do a proper hunt for this one, so am hoping someone from Somerset will be able to help.
Am unable to print my book until I do some fundraising, but will do a speech on the book here in New Zealand in a couple of months and that should set people's interest alight. There are some really neat stories among them.
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Hi,
I am a Seymour relation on the Herbert Cam side of things. He was my great great? Grandfather. I would be really interested in seeing the book. As would everyone in our family. This also means that you and I must be related! Can you tell me any information about Catherine Seymour who drowned in a river please? Really interested to hear from you.
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Good morning fellow relative, you have excellent timing! My book is just getting the hardback put on it as we speak, I am very excited, it is the end of 5 years of intense detective work. Yes poor Catherine died in a river adjoining Tyntesfield (Marlborough), her two sisters were lucky to be thrown clear when the jig overturned, poor Catherine was dragged out by a neighbouring farmer. I have a photo of her, you might not have known that she was due to be wed only a month later, so very tragic. There is a page in the book that tells the whole story of the accident.
I have photos of most of the family, including invalid Jane (Herberts daughter), lovely pictures of one of the daughters wedding, pictures of Herbert and his wife Jessie. Also letters written by Herbert in the 1850's! So all very good stuff! I am not sure how we can meet offline, I think there is a method that you can send a private message to my rootschat individual page, then it would make things easier to talk. I only have 80 books, they are 600 pages long with larger then normal words (easier reading), about 100+ photographs, hardback (stiched and glued). I have gone all out to make this a superb quality book on our family history. Price is at cost for me, was never about making money, is dedicated to the memory of my own son, so nice to see it almost done now.
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Thank you for such a prompt reply! Amazing! I have tried the messaging system and it doesn't seem to be working. Can I suggest leaving me a message on my blog. The address is * As it is public, surely the moderators cannot object. Looking forward to hearing from you and getting to know you.
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Hi folks, my book is finally done and are being sold as we speak. There are only 80 books, and I have put considerable effort into making them a keepsake type quality. Hardback, personally signed and numbered, these have an original embossed Seymour family insignia inside. Also family trees, one back to 1066.
A different take on the history of Tyntesfield, not the one pushed by the National Trust! Photos of the Lord Chief Justice of England, John Duke Coleridge and family, many poems, paintings, photos and stories. The vast amount having never been published before.
These are $230NZ each, includes packaging to England, and I can be contacted at * (Please use the PM system that Rootschat provides.)
You can view the book on TradeMe, which is a New Zealand site, like Ebay. Prices there include the fee for selling the book on that site, so a little more expensive that way.
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Hi folks, I have my own little website now for selling my very rare book. It is http://marlborough-historynz.webs.com/ I have sold most of these histories to family members, but there are some left over for lucky persons who would like to see one of the most remarkable stories this world will ever know. The Seymour's did not make a big deal about their lives, and because of this, much of their work has been lost, or worse still, other people have taken credit for things they did. Like the building and naming of Tyntesfield etc... I am keen that people see the true story, nothing is more sadder to me then watching fiction become fact! Be one of the first to see the images of the real builders of Tyntesfield and their incredible lives.
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Still selling books through http://www.tyntesfieldhistory.co.uk/ , have not managed to get the National Trust to buy a copy yet, but you never know, they might like to learn the interesting history of their house some day!
Attached is an unseen photo in my possession of Baroness Jane Fortescue Coleridge (nee Seymour), an acclaimed artist, and married to Lord John Duke Coleridge. She grew up in Tyntesfield. I have paintings done by her when she lived at Tyntesfield & Farringford on the Isle of Wight.
Also an image of John Billingsley Seymour, Balliol & Newcastle Scholar, he too, grew up at Tyntesfield.
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Merry Christmas from New Zealand!
In my quest to do a family history based around Tyntesfield, I have managed to narrow down when Tyntesfield was built. History decrees a purchase date of 1813 by George Penrose Seymour, but no one has ever successfully narrowed down the build of Tyntesfield. I don't know for sure, but this is what I have discovered.
1st: The Seymour family were at Wraxall Rectory (and not Tyntesfield) after their return from the Isle of Wight, they were there until at least the end of 1828, so no Tyntesfield by this point.
2nd: With the death of George Penrose Seymour in 1827 and Marianne Billingsley in 1828, monies were released in their Wills.
3rd: I believe Tyntesfield was built by 1830 or more likely 1831. Christian Smith was a nurse at the Parsonage at Marksbury, she left in October of 1831 to take up residency with the Seymour's and be the "nurse" to the Seymour children.
4th: The next child to be born was Arthur Penrose Seymour in 1832. He built a home in Marlborough named Tyntesfield, and it would appear he was born at the original Tyntesfield as it was common for the children to dub their houses in future years after the one they were born into.
Only my theory, but Tyntesfield is commonly known to be named by the Gibb's in 1843, this is probably about 12 years out. I have a poem written in 1837 that has Tyntesfield in the lyrics, so could never have been named by the Gibb's.
I also have the oldest artifact from Tyntesfield, a dictionary from George Turner Seymour's wife, Marianne Seymour (nee Billingsley), it is a copy with Tyntesfield hand written in it. The book is dated 1733, but was obviously used by her at Tyntesfield, as it is signed in her handwriting.
Just a little more proof below of the Seymour's Tyntesfield, by 1838!
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Found a site on Rootschat about the Vaughan brothers who were both killed on the Brig "Hope" in 1843, this reminded me about a passage in my book, and ironically but sadly, it is a testimony to that very night, the Brig and Schooner that went down that terrible night are both mentioned.
Henry Seymour was trying to get to his brothers side in Laibach, where a recent letter had said he was very ill. Poor John Billingsley Seymour died on the 16th October, but letters taking so long in those days, the letter arrived to the Seymour's the very day he died overseas. Henry and his father set out the very night. This excerpt is during the last days of the Seymour's owning Tyntesfield, they were however, living on the Isle of Wight by this time, Tyntesfield was up for sale.
"My Father was still unwell when we got on board and he was so taken ill between that time and 4 in the morning that he said he could not go on. I went up on deck with him but the vessel had just shoved off and he was too late. He then determined to get out at Gravesend in the morning, we arrived there about 7 in the morning. He got into a boat and I watched him safe on shore.
Felt dreadfully melancholy after he was gone about this time the wind was getting up it was dead in our favour. I went up to the Captain and asked him if we should not get across in half the time as the wind was so favourable, “if this wind continues” he said “we sha’nt get in at all”. We had not come within 10 miles of Margate the vessel began rolling and tossing very much. We still went on till we had got the other side of Margate where the sea was running tremendously high, I was still on deck on one side of the vessel getting dreadfully sick and was obliged to hold on very tight for fear of being sent overboard. The Captain said it would be very dangerous to try to get her across so we anchored near Margate and there we staid rocking and tossing dreadfully till 10 o’clock at night, I thought it would never be over. I went down into the cabin about 9 o’clock in the morning and went to bed.
Was dreadfully sick all day long, at 10 o’clock at night we started again and made our way with a tremendous sea across to Ostende as I supposed but I was doomed to be bitterly deceived in the morning, everything was to be chained to the bottom of the cabin. The cries of “Steward” the tumbling of people out of their berths, the breaking of basins, the creaks and groans of the vessel were dreadful and the “ensemble” to which the Havre passage was luxury cannot possibly be described and can only be imagined by those who have experienced it. 41 vessels were wrecked that night, a Brig and a Schooner went down within 40 miles of our track of which the passengers and crew of one were lost.
About 9 o’clock in the morning was the 1st time I saw the Steward as I was congratulating myself internally of our arrival at Ostende in an hour’s time, I asked him whether land was in sight, “No Sir” was his answer “but in three hours we shall get off Margate I trust if we can keep her straight”, the fact was the captain had done all he could to get her over to Ostende but the wind got up so much and the sea was so immensely high that she got quite unmanageable and he was obliged to tack and we were then making our way back with the wind in our teeth to Margate.
About 12 we got there and anchored again all day tossing and rolling as before. The next attempt however, proved successful and after another tremendous day we reached Ostende about 9 at night."
This is just a tiny portion of my 600 page book, it reads like this the whole way through, one amazing story to the next.
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Happy New Year folks! :)
Auspicious year for our lot! 1813 is when George Penrose Seymour bought Tyntes Place, and where his son built Tyntesfield, so 200 years this year since the true beginnings of Tyntesfield.
Maybe the National Trust will shout me a visit, nudge nudge, wink wink, say no more!
Now for another bombshell, no one has known where the monies came from to build Tyntesfield, but here is the reason we have this magnificent home now. A very rich and famous Somerset fellow named John Billingsley is to thank.
He had but one child, his daughter, Marianne Billingsley. She married the Reverend George Turner Seymour in 1814. Now, Marianne inherited estate and had money when she entered into this union, it was estimated to be in excess of 50 000 pounds sterling. The Reverend loved to build, it was one of his passions, and it was not long before he used this money to build the first rendition of Tyntesfield, it was then built on to as money came to hand, and obviously massively changed when the Gibbs bought it later on.
So here is the man to thank for Tyntesfield, who's hard work for the bettering of Agriculture in Somerset and nationwide, left a hidden legacy that has taken 200 years to see the light of day.
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Even though the book is done, I have never given up on finding images of the remaining siblings of the Reverend George Turner & Marianne Seymour.
The remaining two children who remain elusive are George Alexander Seymour & the Reverend Henry Fortescue Seymour.
George I would expect will prove difficult, as he died before photography became popular.
The Reverend Henry Fortescue Seymour I am more hopeful of. He was a Rector of both the Anglican church in Barking and then later on at Nettlecombe. I am really hopeful someone may have a photograph of the Reverend, be it at work or after a wedding or other special occasion, etc...
He died in 1900, so I keep my fingers very crossed that an image of him or his family may someday appear. Any help or leads greatly appreciated.
Just to prove it is not impossible to wish, just recently I got a good image of Marianne Billingsley Sewell (nee Seymour), she died in 1849 at the age of 34. She was the first child of the Reverend George Turner and Marianne Seymour. The portrait was drawn before her death and came my way from a Museum. The young Marianne is the lady who wrote the poem about Tyntesfield in 1837.
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In my single handed quest to get together the early history of Tyntesfield, I have discovered a list of the early visitors and friends of the Seymour's. So here is the start of a list of people who appreciated the original Tyntesfield in the 1830's.
As a Magistrate and Reverend, a good friend of the Rev. George Turner Seymour was Sir Alexander Hood (1793-1851).
I would be keen to hear any stories surrounding this Gentleman and his family.
Attached is a picture of his home, called Wootton house, Butleigh Wootton, Glastonbury.
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Another family name is Fortescue.
The Reverend Nathaniel Wells married Catharine Bury (who was connected to the Fortescue's of Fallapit) and they had several children. One of his daughters was Mary Wells, and she married John Billingsley. Their daughter, Marianne Billingsley, married the Reverend George Turner Seymour.
The name Fortescue is still used to this day in our family lines.
Fortescue's were early visitors to Tyntesfield, I have a particularly large family tree which tells of the Fortescue's back to the Battle of Hastings (1066). Another very frequent visitor was the Captain Fortescue Wells of the Royal Artillery, he was a similar age to his cousin, Marianne Seymour (nee Billingsley).
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So what happened to the Seymour's and all that money?
The Reverend George Turner Seymour enjoyed building and renovating houses, his family inherited what was left, and it was not much. Image is of another family home.
Before even this there was Belmont estate and Brockley Court. There then was time spent at Farringford House (Isle of Wight), and the Reverend lived in Riversea mansion in Dartmouth after building Warfleet house. He owned several farms as well, and these were disposed of as he required more money.
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Hello.
I'm definitely a relative (my mother was Audrey Seymour Sewell), and George Turner Seymour was my great, great, great-grandfather. I will rake through my accumulated gubbins for any relevant photos.
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That is some excellent news, great to know there are descendants on the Sewell side, I was beginning to worry!
Had a look once for a Sewell tree, and figured that most of that line had moved on without issue, and that I would struggle to find any living relatives. Have been proven wrong in the best way!
Please do let us know what you can find, I can do likewise.
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Hello again!
Maybe the most interesting item I have is a pencil drawing of George Turner Semour by his daugher Marianne, entitled "Papa in his dressing gown". It's very yellowed by age, but I'll get a photo of it to you as soon as I can. I've also got (somewhere) a short family background (mainly about the Sewells) given to me by my mum.
Fascinating to find another relative on my mum's side. I'm related to half Argentina on my dad's.
I'll get on to it a.s.a.p., but give me a nudge if I'm being slow.
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Hello Seymour14 and Soops. My name is Hannah Metford-Sewell at this moment in time I do not know a huge amount of my family tree. My grandfather was Michael Metford Metford-Sewell and from his side of the family we are related to Anna Sewell the writer of Black Beauty. Unfortunately my grandfather is no longer with us and so finding out about my history has started to prove rather difficult. Metford & Sewell are not common names but at some point along my family tree they joined names, could be a long shot but can anyone shed a little light for me?
Greatly appreciated, Hannah.
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I will try to look into that Hannah. But I do know that the Sewells and the Metfords were related through different people, ie.. not in a direct line. In saying that, it seems too coincidental to be anything but a match. I wonder if Metford was in there as a middle name remembering a different but related line.
Will put my thinking hat on...!
PS: would be nice if you could get back at least one more person from your Grandfather, most of my records finish around 1900.
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Have had the best news for a wee while now, found an original picture of the first house named Tyntesfield in New Zealand. Already had a photo of its replacement in the 1890's, but the original had burnt down by then, and it's replacement burnt down eventually too!
The Tyntesfields of New Zealand did not fare quite as well as the original it would seem!