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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Berkshire => Topic started by: sandra c on Sunday 02 May 10 15:46 BST (UK)
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HI some kind person send me some information that give me the name of who my great aunt married. I now need some help to build on that .
Gladys May Dix married Harold J Wheeler in Dec 1925 ref 2c 866.
I know i need to order the marriage certified, but it has taken me about 18 months to find my grandmother family so if anyone has any information on the above can you please send me it
Thanks Sandy
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was gladys born in berkshire
if so this could be her birth reg
name; gladys may dix
y.o.r. 1901
qtr; jan/feb/mar
dist; bradfield
vol; 2c
page; 327
this is the only gladys may dix born in berkshire between 1890-1920
if this is her she could be on the 1901 census
if you want me to i will try and find her
and then if when you get the marriage cert it is her you will already have some info for her
mick
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and if harold was born in berkshire
then this could be his birth reg
name; harold james wheeler
y.o.r. 1900
qtr; jul/aug/sept
dist; reading
vol; 2c
page; 342
and he is on the 1901 census in reading his parents are henry and edith wheeler
if you want the full census entries for this family i will post them here
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HI Mick
Yes please if you could send me the information i will be grateful.
It has been hard work finding my grandmother family but very rewarding .
Sorry it did not say that she was born in Berkshire
Thank you for your time and your help
Thank you Sandy
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1901
RG13/1141/100/8.
william dix age 29. b. tubney,berkshire. occ. carter on farm. head
annie age 29. b. charney,berkshire. wife
elizabeth age 7. b. childrey,berkshire. daughter
alice age 6. b. letcombe,berkshire. daughter
kate age 4. b. lyford,berkshire. daughter
william age 2. b. hatford,berkshire. son
gladys age 3mnths. b. streatley,berkshire. daughter
michael doyle age 26. b. ireland. occ. ploughman on farm. boarder(unm)
living at;the farm,streatley,berkshire
reg.dist;bradfield
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marriage;
groom; william dix
grooms father; william dix
bride; ann eliza lowe
brides father; charles lowe
date of marriage; 19th oct 1891
place; charney,berkshire
and here is the actual index
name; william dix
y.o.r. 1891
qtr; oct/nov/dec
dist; faringdon
vol; 2c
page; 601
on the same page; ann eliza lowe
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1901
RG13/1145/86/2
henry.j.wheeler age 44. b. canada. occ. grocer and confectioner. head
edith. age 34. b. reading. wife
henry.h. age 10. b. ditto. son
mabel age 6. b. ditto. daughter
harold.j. age 9mnths. b. ditto. son
emily.a.mileham age 19. b. wokingham,berkshire. occ. general domestic servant
living at;western elms avenue,st.marys,reading,berkshire
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1891
RG12/993/91/45
henry.j.wheeler age 34. b. canada. occ. grocer and confectioner. head
edith age 24. b. reading. wife
edith.m. age 1. b. ditto. daughter
henry.h. age 3. b. ditto. son
elizabeth.m.marshall age 13. b. ditto
living at;323,oxford road,st.marys,reading,berkshire
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marriage index
henry james wheeler/edith johnson
y.o.r. 1888
qtr; jul/aug/sept
dist; reading
vol; 2c
page; 623
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think this could be henry before his marriage to edith(age a bit out though?)
1881
RG11/2925/5/2.
william lunn age 27. b. norton evesham,worcs. occ. grocer and baker employing 2 men and 1 boy. head
emily lunn age 24. b. alcester,warwickshire. wife
ashmore.w.lunn age 9mnths. b. evesham. son
henry.j.wheeler age 34. b. canada. occ. grocers asst.
emma langstone age 21. b. alcester. occ. general servant
ann cook age 15. b. evesham. occ. domestic nurse
living at;26,bridge street,all saints,evesham,worcs
will continue on to-morrow with the dix family
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marriage;
groom; william dix
grooms father; william dix
bride; ann eliza lowe
brides father; charles lowe
date of marriage; 19th oct 1891
place; charney,berkshire
it looks like william married into his mothers husbands family
see following post
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1891
RG12/976/80/9
samuel lowe age 39. b. charney bassett. occ. farm labourer. head
jane age 47. b. kingstone,berkshire. wife
ellen lowe age 10. b. charney bassett. daughter
william dix age 20. b. kingstone. occ. farm labourer. stepson
john dix age 15. b. ditto. occ. farm labourer. stepson
living at;longworth,charney bassett,berkshire
reg.dist; faringdon
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it looks like williams mother jane married 3 times firstly to a mr dix then to a mr alder and finally to mr lowe
here is the 1881 census
1881
RG11/1280/5/3.
jane dix age 42. b. kingston. occ. farm labourer. head(wid)
amy age 19. b. abingdon. occ. domestic housemaid. daughter
william age 10. b. tubney. son
john age 8. b. tubney. son
living at; abingdon road,tubney,berkshire
marriage
jane dix/giles alder
y.o.r. 1881
qtr; apr/may/jun
dist; abingdon
vol; 2c
page;532a
death index
name; giles alder
y.o.r. 1884
qtr; jul/aug/sept
dist; abingdon
vol; 2c
page; 164
age at death;47
then the 3rd marriage of jane
name; jane alder
y.o.r. 1888
qtr; jul/aug/sept
dist; abingdon
vol; 2c
page; 473
on the same page; samuel lowe
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1871
RG10/1261/7/5
william dix age 37. b. fyfield,berkshire. occ. agr.lab. head
jane age 33. b. kingston. occ. agr.lab. wife
james age 15. b. fyfield. occ. agr.lab. son
sarah age 13. b. ditto. occ. housekeeper. daughter
martha.e. age 9. b. abingdon. daughter
anne age 7. b. tubney. daughter
william age 11mnths. b. ditto. son
living at;tubney,berkshire
reg.dist; abingdon
sub.reg.dist; fyfield
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birth index
william dix
y.o.r. 1870
qtr; apr/may/jun
dist; abingdon
vol; 2c
page; 282
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1871
RG10/1261/7/5
william dix age 37. b. fyfield,berkshire. occ. agr.lab. head
jane age 33. b. kingston. occ. agr.lab. wife
james age 15. b. fyfield. occ. agr.lab. son
sarah age 13. b. ditto. occ. housekeeper. daughter
martha.e. age 9. b. abingdon. daughter
anne age 7. b. tubney. daughter
william age 11mnths. b. ditto. son
living at;tubney,berkshire
reg.dist; abingdon
sub.reg.dist; fyfield
think the 2 eldest children are the children of william and his first wife
see the 1861 census posted below
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1861
RG9/730/27a/8
james dicks age 57. b. north morre,oxfordshire. occ. farm labourer. head(wid)
sarah age 34. b. london. daughter(unm)
william age 29. b. fyfield. occ. farm labourer. son(wid)
harriet age 10. b. ditto. grand daughter
alice age 8. b. ditto. grand daughter
james age 5. b. ditto. grandson
sarah age 3. b. ditto. grand daughter
living at;fyfield,berkshire
reg.dist; abingdon
so williams marriage to jane probably took place 1861-1862
will see if i can find it
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here it is
william dix/jane bestley
y.o.r. 1862
qtr; jul/aug/sept
dist; abingdon
vol; 2c
page; 445
and here is jane in 1861
RG9/730/38/32
jane bestley age 21. b. kingston bagpuize. occ. field worker. head(unm)
living at;kingston bagpuize,berkshire
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and here is william in 1851 with his first wife
1851
HO107/1688/29/7
william dix age 20. b. fyfield. occ. agr. lab. head
elvia or eliza age 20. b. tubney. wife
harriet age 1mnth. b. fyfield. daughter
living at; fyfield,berkshire
at this time he is living next door to his parents james/mary dix
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possibly william and elvia,eliza marriage
name; william dix
y.o.r. 1850
qtr; oct/nov/dec
dist; abingdon
vol; 6
page; 269
on the same page amongst others;eliza broughton
and here is her possible death
name; eliza dix
y.o.r. 1860
qtr; apr/may/jun
dist; abingdon
vol; 2c
page; 181
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and finally here is the 1841 census
1841
HO107/24/6/1/14
james dix age 35. occ. agr.lab
mary dix age 45
sarah dix age 15
jemima dix age 12
william dix age 9
living at; fyfield,berkshire
all except mary born in county
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so to re-cap
james dix-----mary(possibly hinton)
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william dix----jane bestley
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william dix-----ann eliza lowe
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gladys may dix
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Hi Mick
Thank you for your help and the information. Please can i ask you another question which no one can answer. My grandmother was Mary Alexandra Dix born 25/02/1902 at Streatley Farm, Streatley, Berkshire England, in registration district Bradfield, birth in the sub-district of Bucklebury. Father is William Dix and mother is Ann Lowe.When Mary married William Brown on the 20 of May 1923 at Aston Tirrold Berkshire her father is William Dix. Mary is not on the 1911 census with her family There is a family story that Mary was giver away to a family member by the name of Painton. On the marriage cert for Mary and William the witness are Gladys May Dix and Thomas Henry Painton .My question is how do i find out what the family link with the Painton are and why give her away. No one in the family when i was a child was called Painton ,and i have not found a link. It has taken me about 18 months to get this far with Mary and her family so thank you for your help
Thanks Sandy
Ps Mary and William lived all there married lives in Aston Tirrold Berkshire England
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will have a tryto find out
to begin with
here is the birth
name; thomas henry painton
y.o.r. 1867
qtr; jan/feb/mar
dist; faringdon
vol; 2c
page; 266
in 1898 thomas marries in wantage,oxfordshire
on the same page is anna lay or anna say
will try and follow thomas through the censuses
and see if we can find any clues
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1871
RG10/1268/18/28
john painton age 47. b. longworth. occ. farmer of 545 acres employing 19 men and 4 boys. head
ellen age 37. b. baulking,berkshire. wife
frederick james age 16. b. kingstone lide,berkshire. son
catherine mary age 15. b. ditto. daughter
thomas henry age 4. b. ditto. son
isabella kears age 14. b. letcombe bassett. occ. general servant.
living at;letcombe bassett,berkshire
reg.dist; wantage
john married in 1854 in faringdon to ellen reade
so ellen is not a dix
maybe one of johns children married a dix
will have to go on through the censuses and see what we can find(if there is anything to find)
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1881
RG11/1288/13/20
john painton age 57. b. longworth. occ farmer of 540 acres employing 17 labourers and 3 boys. head(mar)
belinda.e. age 21. b. kingstone lisle. daughter
joseph.r. age 17. b. ditto. son
thomas henry age 13. b. ditto. son
george reade painton age 9. b. ditto. son
-----?chillingworth age 14. b. shillingford,berkshire. nephew
living at;hill farm,letcombe bassett,berkshire
so 2 of the children on 1871 not here in 1881 frederick james and catherine mary
plus where is his wife ellen
will see if i can see them
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here are the 2 children
1881
RG11/1288/17/28
frederick.j.painton age 26. b. fawley,berkshire. occ. farm manager. head(unm)
catherine.m.painton age 24. b. kingston lisle. occ. domestic housekeeper. sister(unm)
living at;village street,letcombe bassett,berkshire
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although on the 1881 census it states that john is married think this should be widowed
there is this death that fits in every way
name; ellen painton
y.o.r. 1874
qtr; apr/may/jun
dist; wantage
vol; 2c
page; 191
age at death; 40
est birth year; 1834
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1891
RG12/982/134/21
thomas.h.painton age 24. b. kingston lisle. occ. turf correspondent. head(unm)
john painton age 66. b. longworth. occ. agent. father(wid)
living at;east challow,berkshire
reg.dist; wantage
so need to find out what happened to the other children?
will have to carry on to-morrow
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HI Mick
Thanks for the help
On the matter of William Dix and his first wife i (well daughter not me) have found a old e-mail which said that William Dix first wife may have been Eliza Broughton 1831- 1860 . Thank you Sandy
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Hi Mick
Just had a phone call from a elderly aunt who told me that Mary lived in a pub as a child. Also there was a story in the family which was ,that when Mary was a child she did something to Gladys when her aunt told her of. Mary said to her you can not tell me off you are not my mother which the aunt reply that is what you think i am your mother.Do not know how right my aunt got this sa she is in her 90s
thank you sandy
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Hi Mick
Just had a phone call from a elderly aunt who told me that Mary lived in a pub as a child. Also there was a story in the family which was ,that when Mary was a child she did something to Gladys when her aunt told her of. Mary said to her you can not tell me off you are not my mother which the aunt reply that is what you think i am your mother.Do not know how right my aunt got this as she is in her 90s
thank you sandy
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then you definitely need the birth cert of mary
to see who is down as her parents.
do you want me to go on with the painton family?
p.s. will wait for your reply before posting anymore
mick.
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Hi Mick
Have phone a distant family member who it turns out has a copy of Mary Dix birth certified. They have e-mail me a copy and sent information on it.
Mary Alexander Dix born 25th feb 1902 father is William Dix mother Ann Dix formley Lowe address Streatley Farm Streatley Berkshire.
They also say that Mary as a child when by the name of Painton but was nver adopted.
My daughter had a look at the 1911 census and she look up Mary Painton because she can not find a Mary Dix
This is what she found
address the Blue Boare inn North Health Newbury
Painton THomas Henry married age 45 born 1866 inn keeper born at Falow Berks
Painton Anne wife married 15 years age 44 born 1867
at Tubney Berkshire
Painton John son age 14 born 1897 Abingdon Berks
Painton Mary Alexandra daughter age 9 born 1902 at Streatley Berks
RG NUMBER RG14 PIECE 6379
IF THE FAMILY STORY IS WRIGHT AM I LOOKING FOR A ANNE DIX WHO MARRIED THOMAS HENRY PAINTON.WHY WAS SHE USING THE NAME PAINTON IF SHE NOT ADOPTED ALSO BEEN TOLD THAT MARY TOLD MY AUNT THAT SHE WAS GIVEN AWAY BECAUSE HER FAMILY HAD 13 CHILDREN BUT I DO NOT KNOW IF THAT TRUE.
BEST WISHES SANDY
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1901
RG13/1126/109/17
thomas.h.painton age 35. b. follow,berkshire. head
annie age 34. b. tubney. wife
charles parker age 4. b. abingdon. nephew
living at;the old church, east shefford,berkshire
reg.dist; hungerford.
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HI Mick
Thanks for the help
On the matter of William Dix and his first wife i (well daughter not me) have found a old e-mail which said that William Dix first wife may have been Eliza Broughton 1831- 1860 . Thank you Sandy
see reply 19.
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marriage
thomas henry painton
y.o.r. 1898
qtr; jan/feb/mar
dist; wantage
vol; 2c
page; 435
on the same page anna lay/say
there is an ann lay born in wantage in 1868
so it seems as if this thomas did marry annie lay and not annie dix
furthermore there is no ann/annie dix born in berkshire in the right time frame
also there is no birth of a mary painton in the right timeframe
so it looks as if the mary painton found on the 1911 could well be mary dix
here is the birth reg if you do not have it
name; mary alexandra dix
y.o.r. 1902
qtr; apr/may/jun
dist; bradfield
vol; 2c
page; 321
unfortunately you still do not know many of the answers that you were seeking
mick
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Hi
The Blue Boar still exists, but as a posh restaurant now called the Crab :(
http://www.crabatchieveley.com
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Hi Mick
Thank for the information i think that Mary Dix and Mary Painton are the same person. I know that when Mary married William Richard Brown she when under the name of Dix . I think when she was a child she use the name Painton and then as a adult she use the name Dix. Sorry i did not reply yesterday but i was ill all day.
Sandy
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yes i agree mary painton and mary dix are probably one and the same
cannot see a family link with painton and dix apart from mary being the adopted child of thomas painton
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Hi Mick
I have just received the marriage certified for Glady Dix and Harold John Wheeler which has the following information
14 November 1925
Groom name Harold John Wheeler age 28 not sure of profession not sure father is John James Wheeler deceased
Bride Gladys May Dix age 25 years no profession father William Dix
So this is the right marriage
Thanks Mick for the help with Gladys marriage
SANDY
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if his name is harold john wheeler born 1897 and his father is john james wheeler
then the info i have given you previously for the wheeler family is the wrong family
i have had a look again and the only one that fits that i can see is the following
1901
RG13/462/158/33
john wheeler age 36. b. southampton. occ. carpenter and joiner. head
ellen.e. age 35. b. ditto. wife
dorothy.e. age 9. b. clapham,london. daughter
may.a. age 7. b. ditto. daughter
mary.e. age 6. b. ditto. daughter
harold.j. age 5. b. ditto. son
love read age 62. b. burton,dorset. mother in law(wid)
albert.e.read age 22. b. southampton. occ. auctioneers clerk. brother in law
janet.s.read age 20. b. ditto. occ. dressmaker. sister in law
living at;22,turret grove,clapham,london
reg.dist; wandsworth
this ones middle name is john
here is his birth
harold john wheeler
y.o.r. 1896
qtr; jan/feb/mar
dist; wandsworth
vol; 1d
page;733
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Hi Sandy,
This may be worth further investigation:
There is a marriage in 1885 for a Hannah Dix and Isaac Lay in 1885 in Abingdon
There is a birth for a Hannah Dix in 1864 in Abingdon (reg district for Tubney)
There is a death for an Isaac Lay aged 34 in 1895 in Wantage
In the 1881 census Jane Dix & some of her children are living in Abingdon Rd and the next household are Charles & Emily Lay and family (perhaps some connection to Isaac Lay)
In the 1891 census there is an Isaac Lay with, wife Annie Lay, born Tubney c1866
Couldn't find Isaac Lay c1861 in the 1901 census nor an Ann/Annie Lay c1866 in Tubney
In the 1911 census Anna Painton (Lay) is recorded as being born in Tubney
and so is William Dix. (Perhaps the are siblings and Anna/Hannah married Isaac Lay then when he died she remarried to Mr Painton, if so then William's daughter Mary would have been given to his sister Anna/ Hannah).
(William did have a sister, Ann/Anna/Annie/Hannah)
The 1911 census records that William Dix and his wife had 8 children, I could not find any Dix children born after 1911 with mother's maiden name Lowe so unless they had children born dead or were counting miscarriages it looks like they didn't have the 13 children that you mention.
Sorry but I only have access to the 1881 census and the 1911 census so I can't have a good look around the other census years, maybe someone else could have a look for you.
Chris
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Hi Sandy,
I've been having a look around a bit because Thomas & Ann Painton married in 1898 and on the 1911 census they have a son John Painton born c1897 Abingdon. (This made me think perhaps he was not their biological son and that may be like Mary, he was born to other parents)
I can't see a birth reg. for a John Painton in Berkshire in this time frame but there is a Charles Parker birth reg. Dec Q 1896 Abingdon 2c 302
On the 1901 census they have a nephew living with them born c1897 Abingdon.
This makes me think that Charles Parker became John Painton as both were recorded as born c1897, Abingdon.
I thought that if I could find a link between a Dix and Parker, this might help prove the link with Ann Painton (Lay)
I checked to see if there was a link for Parker/Painton and found nothing.
On further investigation I have found that Martha E Dix recorded on the 1871 census with her mother Jane Dix (nee Bestley) was the daughter of Jane Bestley (before she married William Dix). Martha Eliza Bestly's birth reg. Sept Q 1861 Abingdon 2c 251. (Jane married in 1862). (No birth reg for a Martha Dix in this time frame)
Martha Eliza Bestley married in 1884 Mar Q Abingdon 2c 425 to Charles Parker
Martha Eliza Parker died aged 35 in June Q 1898 Abingdon 2c 180
So I think that Charles Parker born in 1896, recorded on he 1901 census was the nephew of Anne Painton and that when Martha died her son Charles was given to Thomas & Ann Painton to raise. If this is correct then it would mean that Ann Painton was the sister of Martha Bestley (Half sister, if William Dix wasn't Martha's biological father).
So perhaps Anna Painton could not have children and "adopted" Mary & John Painton.
Chris
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Hi Sandy,
The 1911 census records a Harold John Wheeler aged 13, born Hon Minster Lovell, living with his parents John James Wheeler, aged 47, born Aston Berkshire, Farm Labourer and Alice Sabina Wheeler aged 38, born Oxon, Coke Thorpe, in 4 rooms at Baker Street, Aston Tirrold, Wallingford Berks. It states that his parents had been married 11 yrs and had 2 children but that only one was still living at this time.
This chap fits the age and location of your Harold John Wheeler.
Chris
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1901
RG13/1138/12/15
john james wheeler age 37. b. aston,berkshire. occ. bricklayers labourer. head
alice levina or sabina wheeler age 29. b. ducklington,witney,oxfordshire. wife
living at; aston street,aston tirrold,berkshire
no harold with them here
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cannot find a birth for this harold in witney reg dist which would be the right dist for minster lovall
strangely there is on the 1901 census an harold dix born 1897 in minster lovall parents are john and charlotte dix
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Hi Mick,
There is this birth reg:
Harold John Hicks Whitney 3a 946 Sept Q 1897
Also this marriage reg:
Alice Sabina Hicks + John James Wheeler Wallingford 2c 673 Sept Q 1899
Maybe Harold John Hicks is the same person as Harold John Dix and Alice Sabina Hicks was the mother of this child.
Can you see a connection between Charlotte Dix and Alice Sabina Wheeler (nee Hicks) in any of the census years?
Chris
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Hi Mick,
There is this birth reg:
Harold John Hicks Whitney 3a 946 Sept Q 1897
Also this marriage reg:
Alice Sabina Hicks + John James Wheeler Wallingford 2c 673 Sept Q 1899
Maybe Harold John Hicks is the same person as Harold John Dix and Alice Sabina Hicks was the mother of this child.
Can you see a connection between Charlotte Dix and Alice Sabina Wheeler (nee Hicks) in any of the census years?
Chris
will come back to this tonight and have a look
ancestry taking ages at this moment hopefully it will be a bit quicker tonight
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Hi Mick
Had a look on the 1911 census and Harold Dix is recorded with his parents John & Charlotte Dix. There is a birth reg in Whitney for a Harold George Dix in 1896 so I now think that this Harold Dix is a separate person from Harold John Wheeler (possibly born Harold John Hicks) as both Harold's are recorded on the 1911 census.
Chris
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harold john hicks is on the 1901 census
1901
RG13/1138/11/13
richard colin age 47. b. aston upthorp,berkshire. occ. bricklayer. head
martha age 46. b. aston tirrold,berkshire. wife
harry shadrack colin age 18. b. aston upthorp. occ. bricklayers labourer. son
frederick john colin age 14. b. aston tirrold. occ. plough boy. son
elsie isabel colin age 13. b. ditto. daughter
phoebe anne colin age 9. b. ditto. daughter
harold john hicks age 3. b. minster lovat,oxfordshire. visitor
edward charles bull age 11. b. westminster. boarder(barnardos child)
thomas william bull age 9. b. ditto. boarder(barnardos child)
living at;aston street,aston tirrold,berkshire
reg.dist;
so maybe this is the child of john and sabina
as on the same census john and sabina are also living in aston street(see reply 45)
also this richard colin is a bricklayer and john james wheelerwas a bricklayers labourer maybe he was labourer to richard colin?
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Hi everyone
Thanks for the information. I have just got back from five days away.Will read it all later and then send some reply but i can tell you that Jane Bestley and William Dix had a daughter Ann born about 1862 at Abingdon Berkshire
Thank you Everyone Sandy
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Hi Mick
There is a marriage reg. for a Richard Colin in 1879, Wallingford, also a Martha Wheeler on the same page so if this is the marrige for the Colin couple you have posted in the 1901 census then maybe Martha Colin (nee Wheeler) was John James Wheeler's sister.
Please can you see if they are recorded together in any of the earlier census records?
Chris
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think this is probably martha
1861/RG9/739/6/5
shadrach wheeler age 37. b. east haeburn,berkshire. occ. general servant. head
hannah age 41. b. aston tirrold. wife
thomas age 13. b. ditto. son
william age 10. b. ditto. son
martha age 6. b. ditto. daughter
frederick age 2. b. ditto. son
living at;aston tirrold,berkshire
reg.dist; wallingford
and with richard and marthas eldest child having middle name shadrach think this is a very good bet that this is the right martha
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and here in 1871
though martha is not here it does seem that john james is indeed her brother
1871
RG10/1272/30/4
shadrach wheeler age 47. b. east hagbourn. occ. gardener. head
hannah age 51. b. aston tirrold. wife
frederick age 12. b. ditto. son
john james wheeler age 7. b. ditto. son
joseph shea age 70. b. chelvey,berkshire. lodger
living at;popes lane or farm,aston tirrold,berkshire
living next door is the son william aged 10 on 1861 census
william wheeler age 20. b. aston tirrold. occ. agr.lab. head
maria wheeler age 22. b. ditto. wife
thomas wheeler age 3 days. b. ditto. son
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here is martha in 1871
RG10/1272/37/18
sarah jane daniels age 26. b. ivinghoe,bucks. wife(journeyman millers wife)
clara daniels age 2. b. aston upthorpe. daughter
kate daniels age 3mnths. b. ditto. daughter
martha wheeler age 16. b. aston tirrold. occ. general servant
living at;aston upthorpe,berkshire
reg.dist; wallingford
the head of household not at home
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shadrach wheeler
death index
name; shadrach wheeler
y.o.r. 1881
qtr; apr/may/jun
dist; wallingford
vol; 2c
page;193
age at death; 57
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1881
RG11/1292/5/3
shadrach wheeler age 57. b. east hagbourn. occ. gardener. head
hannah age 61. b. aston tirrold. wife
thomas blacall wheeler age 33. b. ditto. occ. agr. lab. son(unm)
john james wheeler age 17. b. ditto. occ. agr. lab. son
ada minnie age 10. b. ditto. grand daughter
living at;popes farm,aston tirrold,berkshire
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death index
name; hannah wheeler
y.o.r. 1886
qtr;oct/nov/dec
dist; wallingford
vol; 2c
page; 200
age at death; 66
if there is anything else you want me to look for on this family just let me know and i will see if i can help
mick
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HI MICK
Thanks for the information it helps fill in a lot of gaps. I do have another question to do with the Wheeler on a 1911 census RGNUMBER RG14 PIECE6508 it has the following information
address Baker street Aston Tirrold
Wheeler John James head age 47 birth year 1864 farm labourer born berks Aston
Wheeler Alice Sabina wife age 38 birth year 1873 oxon coke thrope
Wheeler Harold john son 13 birth year 1898 minster lovell
Then it listed
Wheeler Edith relative 28 birth year 1883 born glos gt barrington
wheeler Emily relative 5 birth year 1906 born glos gt barrington
wheeler lily relative 4 birth year 1907 born glos gt barrington
In an early message there is a Edith Wheeler born 1888 ref RG12/993/91/45
i do not think this is the same Edith Wheeler but i have not been able to find the three Wheeler relatives.
Thank you for all the information Mick and also thank you everyone for all the information you have send sorry it is a join message but i am babysitting and my 4 year grandson has just got up.
Best wishes Sandy
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Hi Sandy,
I am at my local library and have just looked up the census images for Edith Wheeler c1883.
It looks like Edith was the daughter of John James Wheeler's brother Thomas Wheeler c1848
1891 census
Thomas Wheeler aged 43, born c1848 Aston Tirrold, Living at (what looks like) Finch's Farm Aston Tirrold with wife Rachel, born c1848 Stanton Harcourt, Oxon and daughters Edith, born c1883 Aston Tirrold and Fanny born c1884 Aston Tirrold. Thomas was recorded as a Farm Labourer.
Class RG12 Piece 985 Folio 6 Page 5
1901 census
Thomas, Rachel and Edith are recorded at Robert's Farm Aston Tirrold, Thomas is recorded as a Groom and Gardener (Domestic)
Class RG13 Piece 1138 Folio 10 page 12
I think you will find that the 1911 census records Edith as being born in Aston and that only Emily and Lily were born in Gt Barrington Glos.
Perhaps Emily & Lily were Edith's children!
Chris
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HI CHRIS
Just on way out but Thanks for the information
SAndy
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Hi Chris
just got back in read information that you send. As a child i lived in Aston Tirrold and there was a farm called Finch Farm in the past .
Thank you Sandy
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Hi Sandy. Regarding your Dix family history. It would appear that we are both decendants of William Dix and Martha Dawson from Northmoor.
I wonder if my late father William Norman may have contacted you at some time.
I would be really pleased to hear back from you.
Best wishes
Bryan
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Hi,
Just to come in here and following onto Chris' reply; you may be interested in the following entries
taken from the Aston Tirrold_URC registers;
Baptisms;
18-1-1885 Edith Rachel dau of Thomas & Rachel Wheeler (born 31-8-1883)
18-1-1885 Fanny Ann " " " " (born 1884)
URC= United Reformed Church formerly Presbyterian
Alan
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HI Alan
Thanks for the information another step on the tree
Thank you Sandy
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Hi Bryan
It was good to get your message. I never had contacted with your father.Mary Dix (1902) was my grandmother . As a child i lived in Aston Tirrold and i did know Glady Dix (1901) who was married to John Henry Wheeler. I also lived next door to Reginald Dix born 1909. When there was a family get together there was a Faith Dix born 1904 - 1987 who was there.I am going to Turkey for three weeks on Monday but i will be in touch when i get back. I do have a tree on Genes Reunited. Best wishes Sandy
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HI i am trying to decide if Eliza Broughton born 1831 at Northmoore Berkshire England was the daughter of John Broughton and Eliza unknown
Thank you sandy
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is this her christening maybe
eliza broughton daughter of john and ann maria broughton bapt on the 22nd april 1832 at fyfield,berkshire
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Hi Wozzle not sure if they are her parents. I now think her father was married more then once and that Eliza had a brother William born about 1828 at Fyfield Berkshire England Thank you Sandy
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Hi
I am adding to this subject because i have been in touch with a member of the Wheeler family and he had told me, that he was told that the Dix family are related to the Pope family from Cholsey. I have not been able to find a link.
On the 1871 census
Shadrach Wheeler born 1824 at East Hagbourne is living at Popes Farm Aston Tirrold
I think there were Popes living in Aston Tirrold but i am not getting anywhere Please Help
Thank you Sandy
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Hi
I am adding to this subject because i have been in touch with a member of the Wheeler family and he had told me, that he was told that the Dix family are related to the Pope family from Cholsey. I have not been able to find a link.
On the 1871 census
Shadrach Wheeler born 1824 at East Hagbourne is living at Popes Farm Aston Tirrold
I think there were Popes living in Aston Tirrold but i am not getting anywhere Please Help
Thank you Sandy
the only case of a dix and pope name appearing together between 1837-2005 in wallingford reg dist that i can see is;
marriage index
name; arthur pope
y.o.r. 1919
qtr; jul/aug/sept
dist; wallingford(this is the right reg dist for cholsey)
vol; 2c
page; 1045
spouse; elizabeth.j.dix
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Hi
I know it has been awhile but i wont to put my grandmother family to bed.
I know from help that i have had in the past that my grandmother Mary Dix born 1902 was in 1911 living at The Blue Boare Inn North Heath Newbury and that she was using the name Mary Painton. I now know with the help that i had from you all in the past that she was given to her Aunt to bring up. I know that Thomas Painton and Anna(also some time down as Hannah or Ann Dix) Painton also had with them John (born Parker son of Martha Dix and her husband) Painton. I have know been told my my Aunt that Mary talked about a sort of brother called Jack Painton. I have so far not found a Jack Painton do you think and John was maybe called Jack in the family. I was wondering is there anyway and can found out more about my grandmother life and what the inn was like when she lived there Thank you for your help so far
Thank you Sandy
PS did get down last year to see what was the Blue Boaree inn know but did not have a lot of time as we were down on family matters
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Hello
Don't know how long ago you posted this, but I can tell you that Jack Painton was my grandfather and Mary was my great aunt Mary. Jack Painton is listed as John Painton in the 1911 census and Charles Parker (nephew) in the 1901 census. His mother was Martha Dix (born Martha Bestley in Abingdon workhouse) and re-named Martha Dix when her mother married William Dix. Jack and Mary Painton were in fact cousins.
Hope this helps
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Hi Mary Dix was my grandmother. I have spend along time looking for my grandmother family . i will reply some more in a few days time as my granddaughter is staying with us . She is only 18 months old and a lot of work . was just trying to work out what our link is. Sandy