Catherine marries again to John Walters in 1853 and had a further 3 children Elizabeth, Joseph & Susannah.
OK - first question
Mosher, have you checked the newspapers in Australia for any reference to a James Murphy?
(I found the death of one of mine (unregistered) via the newspaper. He was buried on his property out west in 1855)
Anyway, back to the subject, Are you sure that the three "marriages" (or supposed marriage) for Catherine are all for the same lady? When she married John Walters, did she say that she was a widow? Maiden name? Parents names?
Have you had a look at any Land records to see if James Murphy was granted land out Lachlan way in abt 1850. That's just the right time for a lot of land releases and squatters heading west.
Because their son Michael was born/Bp at Lachlan (and Forbes wasn't even started at that time), one assumes that they probably went west as squatters or followed the Gold Rush to the Forbes area.
Have you been in touch with the Forbes Family History Group. They have more information than any group I've ever seen about the settlers and the gold rush? They are also just starting to investigate any convicts who are buried in their area - whether their death is registered of not.
Have you tried to find out what happened to the James Murphy x 2 who came as convicts (Via Lonach) James Murphy does sound rather like an Irish name (assumption - sorry).
Does it show anywhere an occupation for James?
QuoteAnyway, back to the subject, Are you sure that the three "marriages" (or supposed marriage) for Catherine are all for the same lady? When she married John Walters, did she say that she was a widow? Maiden name? Parents names?
I had been in contact with a researcher who assured me she had absolute proof that this was the same lady but then refused to give me any further info as I think she was going to write a book or something. I am not that sure that the Murphy family are that (in)famous but they were an early family in the Omeo district and raised a bit of a ruckus there. ;D
Other family that I have run into on the net all have the same details so I am going to say that I THINK she is the same lady.
Lady Di, I think I may have spoken to you on the phone. Do you have a website for a "heritage" area, and an uncle?
Death of Joseph 15 July 1859, Moppity Station near Binalong, age 16
months. Father John WALTERS, mother Catherine, formerly KENEHAN late
MURPHY.
The "late" Murphy would confirm they think James is dead.
I have ordered some of her children's birth certs and they were just baptism records. They are listed on the BDMs tho.
Some more
1878 Roll THE BOGAN
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Admission to Orphan School
Index to Orphan Schools show admission on 30 April 1833 a FOUR year old lad named James MURPHY, with mother's name of Catherine Murphy ...
Back to 1830's and Catherine's marriage to Philip Smith
Where do you find that marriage info? I'm interested as I have a particular marriage mentioned in two court cases as occuring in Sydney in 1832, by RC rites, but its not found on the NSW BDM online index.
So does that mean the marriage did take place? or should I contact the C of E church at Windsor for records?
This is the minister listed for Philip's second request. There are 2 listings for it, both say granted and are 1 week apart. (??)
I have noticed on Ancestry that he possibly had the parents “Tim Murphy” and “Ellen Sullivan”. This didn’t excite me too much, however on the crappy NSW BDM’s cert I got for their son John Murphy it listed a “sponsor/Godparent” as Ellen Murphy which is presumably Ellen Sullivan. I’m hoping I’ll have better luck find something on his parents.
I have noticed on Ancestry that he possibly had the parents “Tim Murphy” and “Ellen Sullivan”. This didn’t excite me too much, however on the crappy NSW BDM’s cert I got for their son John Murphy it listed a “sponsor/Godparent” as Ellen Murphy which is presumably Ellen Sullivan. I’m hoping I’ll have better luck find something on his parents.
The Ellen Murphy who was John's sponsor would have been a different Ellen Murphy to the one who was his mother. Parents can't be godparents. Siblings can and were godparents in big families so the possibility that Ellen was an elder sister should be kept in mind. Choice of godparents may have been influenced by who was available.
Hi,
I have a copy of the original transcript of that James Murphy’s baptism, dated 14th October, 1816. It says the parents are Tim Murphy and Ellen Sullivan, and the sponsors are Denis Murphy and Mary Cotter. Because of the date 1816 I thought this might be the James Murphy who arrived age 14 on the Andromeda in 1830, not one of the two who arrived on the Lonarch.
Ellen Murphy the sponsor for their son John could be a relative, there are a few Ellen Murphy’s on the convict lists, maybe she followed in her brothers footsteps
Hi again,
I have been going through my paperwork and found the certificate of freedom for James Murphy I got from the NSW state archives. It is for the the James born 1816, it states he was born in Bardon (I think this should read Bandon) County Cork. You might already have this too, not sure if this will assist you with tracing his parents, maybe there are church records for that parish, Irish records are not easy to locate
Hi,Which church was the baptism at?
I have a copy of the original transcript of that James Murphy’s baptism, dated 14th October, 1816. It says the parents are Tim Murphy and Ellen Sullivan, and the sponsors are Denis Murphy and Mary Cotter. Because of the date 1816 I thought this might be the James Murphy who arrived age 14 on the Andromeda in 1830, not one of the two who arrived on the Lonarch.
Ellen Murphy the sponsor for their son John could be a relative, there are a few Ellen Murphy’s on the convict lists, maybe she followed in her brothers footsteps