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My grandmother's sister Annie married Jem Memery about 1900 in Dublin, lived in Pigeon House Road, Ringsend, 8 kids. 1911 they were in Pembroke Cottages, Pembroke East. Any one know who he was? All we know, he was a sailor.
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Is this the family on the 1911 census - Memery family (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Pembroke_East/Pembroke_Cottages/49160/) ?
If so John is away from home at the time. The form states they were married about 19 years (so c1892) and have 9 living children..
Thom's 1914 directory of Dublin lists two separate sets of Pembrooke Cottages in 1914 - one on Pigeon House Road, Ringsend and the others off Cambridge Rd, which is also in the same area. Pembroke East is the electoral district which covers the area.
Shane
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Yes, that's right. I worked out he must be at sea. We have no idea who his family was, although there are some Memerys around but just in Dublin, and a few (mostly seamen) in coastal towns in England at the time.
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There's a possible match for their marriage around the right time on the Civil Index. It's under the name James - I would think Jem could be a nickname for this.
Name: James Memery
Registration District: Dublin South
Event Type: Marriage
Quarter and Year: Apr - Jun 1891
Volume Number: 2 / Page Number: 577
Name: Annie Andrews
[same index details]
See the topic 2 Minute Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html) for details on the index, ordering certs etc
Shane
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Hey, that's great! What a quick response. The guide to Irish records chould be useful - I've been finding a great black hole in the family there. Thanks.
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Forgot to mention that Dublin South is the registration district where Ringsend is located, so that marriage reference fits the area they later lived.
Hopefully John/Jem will be listed at home on the 1901 Irish census when that's released later this year.
p.s. I dont know if you seen this - another Memery in Dublin with an occupation of sailor : Robert Memery (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Pembroke_East/Thorncastle_St_/6350/)
Shane
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Waiting for the 1901 Census!! (Bet it crashes at first!)
Yes, one of their sons is Bob, maybe him, will check. I have found others but connections are difficult.
They had: Bill, Jim, Bob, Arthur, Harry, Fred, Frances and Rebecca; and we have my Uncle Fred's memoirs of some of them.
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I's say that Robert is more likely a brother - he married before John & Annie.
There's only about 40 Memery listings on the census for all Ireland - so the chances are that some of them are connected. Especially as this Robert lives so close to Annie on the census.
Shane
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You could be right, but how to prove it.
The 1901 census may reveal all..... maybe
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1911 census lists a daughter Rebecca in household of Annie Memery. Might be just a co-incidence but a William Memory married Rebecca Winter (quite a few children listed in IGI- www.familysearch.org) and a James Memory married Mary Winter (their children also listed there)- possibly 2 brothers married two sisters.
1911 census also shows a James Memery, fisherman born in Dublin City listed in Cork. Shown as married and age given as 25 but as he's only a boarder possibly not all the details correct.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Bantry_Urban/Townlots/374832/
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Now that's very interesting! Both of them.
I will have to think it out but sounds very possible.
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You could be right, but how to prove it.
The 1901 census may reveal all..... maybe
best way is using marriage certs for both ... best match for Robert's marriage from the BMD index below
Name: Robert Creese Memory
Registration District: Dublin South
Event Type: Marriage
Quarter and Year: Jan - Mar 1887
Volume Number: 2 / Page Number: 601
He, his wife and all children list Ringsend as place of birth.
Shane
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and a possible cross-match to his wife :
Name: Susanna Rowden
Registration District: Dublin South
Event Type: Marriage
Quarter and Year: Jan - Mar 1887
Volume Number: 2 / Page Number: 601
Shane
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Rebecca Memery (born 1867 Ringsend, Dublin) married Robert Rowden- she might be one of the people I found listed in I.G.I.
Also in same family tree Robert Creese Memery m.1887 Susanna Rowden.
www.rowdensurname.org/pedigree/rowden15.htm
Here's the Home Page- you might be able to find some sort of contact details there:
http://www.rowdensurname.org/
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Torbay Fishermen in Ringsend "... vessels were transferred to Samuel Pullen, Owen Bissett, James Memery ..." just partial detail available to view here: http://www.jstor.org/pss/30101258
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An old thread here but perhaps worth trying to make contact-
http://boards.ancestry.com/thread.aspx?m=175&p=localities.britisles.ireland.dubl.general&dc=
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Don't think this was mentioned yet-
http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/index.html
Put ""memery" and "dublin" into search boxes and 10 results come up.
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very neat... looks like a good connection to the Memery surname arriving in Dublin earlier in the 19th century with their new fishing technology. Presume that James/Jem/John & Robert etc are second or third generation..
Shane
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Put ""memery" and "dublin" into search boxes and 10 results come up.
and all of them in Ringsend/Irishtown.. :D
S.
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Thanks to all so far - I can see I'm going to be busy tonight....
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just spotted that there are a few records on the IrishGenealogy website that have spelling (or transcription) variations - e.g. Memory, Memiry and possibly Membray
plenty of baptisms - but no marriages ...
Shane
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The 1939-40 voters register has about 20 Memery's, many of them in Pembroke East. Some in Pembroke Cottages (Pigeon House Road) and some in Pembroke Cottages (Cambridge Road).
http://www.dublinheritage.ie/electoral/index.php
Dara.
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Thanks - will look at.
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I have just found out my grandmother Mary Purcell lived in 25 Pigeon House Road with the Memery family - she was the sister in law. She married a trawlerman Richard Wright from Fleetwood in 1913 & took Matilda Memery her niece to live with her/ them in Fleetwood around 1925. My grandmother mentioned a relationship with the Dalton family who also lived in the same Road. I remember a Mervyn Dalton visiting her in Fleetwood.
Wonder if we're related?
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Hello, roswil. – Yes I expect we are distantly related. My grandmother’s sister Annie Andrews married Jem (James not John) Memery and lived ‘in poor circumstances in Pigeon House Road, Ringsend, on the dockfront of Dublin. There she brought up a family of ten children, about fifteen years range in their ages, on the uncertain wages of a seaman, until the older ones were able to give some support.’. (from my Uncle Fred.)
Only I don’t know what number she lived at!
I can’t place Matilda Memery, except in that one census. There seem to be an awful lot of Memerys and they intermarried with Andrews and Rowdens and Littles. I’ve recently been trying to sort out a tree, but I haven’t got very far.
In the 1939 Electors List (link earlier in this thread) there’s a Brigid Memery at 25 Pigeon House Road with Josephine and Samuel, and a Christina Purcell at no 7.
My ggrandfather lived at 6, Pigeon House Road from 1870 to 1896. His son Alexander was married from this address.
Someone I am now looking for:
Annie Andrews’ grandfather was John Andrews, a pawnbroker. He (according to family story) married a Scot called Watson, and indeed ‘Watson’ occurs twice in the next two generations as a middle name. I can find no marriage and I don’t know his birth date or where he came from – most probably Ireland, I’m not even sure of that…I’d really like to take this a bit further back.
He had at least six children – Adelaide, Arthur, Frederick, Nathaniel, John and Eva, most of whom I know quite a bit about by now. Frederick my ggrandfather and his wife Anne are the only ggrandparents who I don’t have a photo of, though.
I hope you can get further with your searches, roswil…………..Alison.
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Hi, I have recently been given a copy of an old 1868 photograph of the wedding of Arthur Andrews to Elizabeth Dunne in Rathgar Dublin 24 Jun 1868. Elizabeth gave birth to a son William Nathaniel Andrews in Jan 1873 and then Elizabeth passed away in Feb 1873. I noticed in the 1901 census that William Nathaniel Andrews was living with his two Aunts, Adelaide and Eva Elizabeth. Adelaide and William were listed as Pawnbrokers and Eva a music scholar. By 1911 census it appears that Adelaide had passed away, William was married with two sons, John James and Arthur George Andrews. William was working in a clothier business and Eva was a music professor. The photograph is an old painted photo and apart from Arthur Andrews his two sisters Adelaide and Eva are also in it. My link is via Elizabeth Dunne. Any other information relating to the Andrews/Dunne and connecting families would be really appreciated.
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see plot 14185 Mount Jerome
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/dublin/photos/tombstones/1headstones/mt-jerome95.txt
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/dublin/photos/tombstones/mt-jerome-95/target124.html
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FTFP-XYZ
edited to add
http://www.mountjerome.ie/?content=genealogy
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Thank you dathai, hopefully I'll get back to Ireland next year and be able to visit this cemetery..
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May be of interest
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056372668
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Hello Graeme. I'm very interested in the wedding picture you mention; and I have two pictures of William as a piper (as I said on the boards.ie post). - also one of an aged Adelaide the pawnbroker.
My grandmother was named after her and Marion. Could we exchange?
And I also have a tree I have sorted out from the (mostly accurate) notes made from my grandmother in the 1960s! Including Elizabeth Dunne.
(By the way I now think 'Jem' may be James.....)
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Hi Alison
More than happy to share copy of photos and information. I have tried attaching a PDF copy of the Wedding photo and the writing which was on the back. You will have to let me know if you received it or not, this is all new to me haha, and if not, I'll have to ask someone better skilled than myself.
Elizabeth was the daughter of William H Dunne and Anne Price. From what I have read so far, it looks like Anne was Williams 2nd wife and his 1st wife was Elizabeth. My Dunn/Dunne line goes back via my GtGt Grandfather Thomas Johnson Dunne who came out to New Zealand with his wife, son and 3 daughters in 1875. His father being William H Dunne and mother Elizabeth Johnson.
Cheers
Graeme
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Been trying to post with no success...
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It wouldn't post with the pdf. Why? It wasn't too big...will try again later.
I did say:
Thank you! How many of the people can you identify?
My grandmother said Marian was a Scot, but I thought she was born in Dublin. There's certainly a Mary Anne I thought was possibly her.
Could the two older people on the left be John Andrews and Marion? And is the woman in front of Elizabeth, Adelaide? And I spot some kilts there too....
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Hi Alison
I gather you received the photograph. I think the older couple seated on the left are Ann and William Dunne (father and mother of the Bride), the grandson in front of William would be Adrian Ravenswood Dunne and the one on the left would be young William. The 3 men standing at the back on the left I think are John, Charles and Henry Dunne. John and Charles 1/2 brothers to Elizabeth and Henry her actual brother. The 2 women in white standing at the left I think are John Dunnes wife Sarah and Pollie I think is a nickname for the wife of either Charles or Henry. To the far left, I think is Elizabeth's sister Louise (Lucy). Sitting on the right at front I think are Aunt Maria Price, Adelaide and Eva, behind them the best man Mr Gleeson, Rev Stevenson and cousin Charles Price. Any other suggestions from someone that knows more always good to hear. I received the copy of the photo from the family of Louisa Dunne who became Louisa Carey who went with husband and family to Australia.
Cheers
Graeme
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Whoops, I was all wrong. Wishful thinking of course, John Andrews being my direct ancestor, son Frederick my great grandfather.
So Adelaide and Eva are at the far right. I will try again to send some pictures. I have various details about these two, and of William (Liam) Nathaniel's life.
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I think this might have worked this time?
This tree is the result from the notes my sister, aged about 10, made on the back of an old envelope, of what my grandmother Adelaide Marian Little nee Andrews said, in the 1960s - and without this I would never have got anywhere with the Irish side of my family!
Sometimes things you wouldn't expect to, survive.....
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Oh - don't take this tree as gospel!
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Cheers Alison
I don't think we can treat any family tree out of Ireland as being gospel, especially with the limited records available. I see Arthur Andrews married 3 times, just to make up for Adelaide and Eva not marrying.
I think my mother's side of the family would be easier as they were from Buckinghamshire.
Thanks again
Graeme
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Hi Little Alison, Just came on your massage on The Memery families this family is in my "Winter" family tree they came form Devon, England first William & Susan Creese Parcel/Purcell Memery came to Ringsend, Dublin, William, born 1816, son of James & Mary Memery, and grandson of William Memery & Elizabeth Hawkins, William & Susannah son's married William to Rebecca Winter and James to Rebecca's half sister Mary Winter, Robert married Susanna Rowden and their daughter's Maryann to John Gray, and Susan married James Hodgins. William Memery and Rebecca Winter son James Memery married Annie Andrews Jim
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Hello deburgo.
Yes he's definitely James not John. I think he's called Jem and his son, James. I will try to upload a picture of James the pilot.
Also I have found pics of most of Jem's children on findmypast:
http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/merchant-navy-seamen - I am not on FindMyPast now though.
Henry is the only one who didn't go to sea, and I think died age 34.
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Sorry, this hasn't come out as I intended, but he is there, top right!
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The man on the left!
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Hi deBurgo
I have just seen your post and v interested to know if you can tell me anything about William Richard b. 1816 and Susan. I have suspected her name is Creese but cannot find anything on her in my searches. Their daughters Mary Anne and Susan, who m. John Gray and James Hodgins respectively are my great grandmothers. I have a lot on the family after WilliamRichard came to Ireland but not much before and nothing on Susan
M