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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: Solway on Tuesday 11 May 10 21:55 BST (UK)
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Looking for any info. on Philip Kinsett who married Jane Rhodes together with info. on the marriage date of their daughter Jane to Charles McClure Dalrymple, possibly circa 1880.
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Hi
Did both these marriages take place in England?
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Hi CaroleW,
Certainly the Kinsett/Rhodes marriage and fairly sure also the Dalrymple/Kinsett marriage.
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Hi
There is no entry on freebmd for either marriage. http://freebmd.rootsweb.com
I found an 1841 entry for an 8yr old Philip Kinsett living in Shipley - here's the entry
Philip Kinsett 70 agric labourer
Jane 30 - shown as wife
Philip 8
James 3
HO107 Piece 1096/12 Folio 26 Page 6
Is this the Kinsett/Rhodes marriage as it must have been pre-1837
Given the age of Philip snr - if they had a daughter Jane - she must have been in her 30's if she married in 1880
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This is the only Shipley marriage on the IGI that would fit those children's ages but wife is Sarah??
PHILIP KINSETT Spouse: SARAH MERRITT Marriage: 19 JAN 1830 Shipley, Sussex
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This surname appears to be spelt different ways
Philip snr died in 1842 and freebmd has him as Kensett
If you check freebmd marriages in 1859 - Philip Kensett married in Horsham which is the registration district for Shipley. Spouse appears to be Jane Knight
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1871 for Horsham - indexed as Kensett
Philip Kensett 36 greengrocer/wood & coal merchant b Shipley
Jane 35 b Itchingfield
William R 10 b Horsham
Jane 8 b Horsham
Robert 5 b Lullington
Bertha 3 b Horsham
Peter Hood/Wood 19 lodger
Arthur Willes 26 lodger
Charlotte Willes 23 lodger
Charlotte L Willes 3 months lodger
RG10 Piece 1097 Folio 23 Page 21
Have you looked for Jane & Charles Dalrymple on the 1881 census which is free to search at http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ib/
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Hey......thanks for all this info. in such a short time!! I will get down to digesting it all a.s.a.p. Great stuff!
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I cannot find a Dalrymple marriage at the moment, There is a Jane Kensett marriage in Horsham 1887 to either Robert Henry Beaumont or James Sheppard
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Having trouble finding any Jane and Charles Dalrymple in the 1890 / 1901 UK censuses - did they have any children?
Sorry just added this bit: - meant to say cannot find them in England censuses - but have now just looked at Scotland 1901 census and your Charles (born abt 1842 in Gatehouse, Kirkcudbrightsh) appears to be living in Scotland in Gatehouse in Kirkcudbrightshire with wife Jane (born in england abt 1851), with their daughter Agnes born abt 1881 in England. That helps with the timeframe.
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Searching now for this couple they are found in 1881 in Manchester, Lancashire, but Jane K Dalrymple, wife of Charles, is shown as being born in Scotland.
(Class: RG11; Piece: 3926; Folio: 77)
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Searching now for this couple they are found in 1881 in Manchester, Lancashire, but Jane K Dalrymple, wife of Charles, is shown as being born in Scotland.
(Class: RG11; Piece: 3926; Folio: 77)
but have now just looked at Scotland 1901 census and your Charles (born abt 1842 in Gatehouse, Kirkcudbrightsh) appears to be living in Scotland in Gatehouse in Kirkcudbrightshire with wife Jane (born in england abt 1851),
You have the wrong entries - please see the 1871 details I posted above - Jane was only born in 1863 - the 1881 entry was born 1842
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Sorry Carole,
But I had seen this entry on Ancestry trees:
Charles Mcclure Dalrymple :
Birth 13/06/1841 in Girthon, Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland
Death 1919 in Girthon, Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland, United Kingdom
- which married up with a wife Janet in the 1881 census details in Manchester and 1901 census details.
Please forgive me for being slightly confused but no information has been provided about Charles other than simply his name.
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London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Jennet Kensett Dalrymple was baptised in St Pancras Parish Church in the borough of Camden in county of Middlesex on 25th April 1878 as daughter of Charles Dalrymple, a Forrester, and Jane Dalrymple of 28 Seymour Street. D.o.b. shown as March 19th 1878.
(source LMA baptisms for Saint Pancras Parish Church).
Looks like this person Jennet was the daughter of a Charles Dalrymple and a Jane whose maiden-name could possibly have been Kensett.
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Looking for any info. on Philip Kinsett who married Jane Rhodes together with info. on the marriage date of their daughter Jane to Charles McClure Dalrymple, possibly circa 1880.
I think Solway needs to clarify the two generations here and tell us what other info he has re: birthyears/locations etc
Your find would certainly seem to fit - particularly as Jennett has Kensett as a middle name
What doesn't fit is the Jane b Sussex 1863 being her mother
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Hi Carole W & One Big Family,
First off, let me thank you for your kind assistance and time spent on my query and apologies for providing insufficient info. for you to work on.
From the info. supplied by you, I can now delve into the sparse notes I have to narrow things down and I hope both of you may be prepared to take this up again for me when I am a bit clearer on things, particularly dates.
Meantime, sincere thanks again.
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Hi Carole & O.B.F.,
Some further info.
I have a headstone inscription in Gatehouse of Fleet, Scotland, giving the death of Jane Kensitt (sic) as 23 March, 1928, aged 86 and Charles McClure Dalrymple as 21 Feb., 1919, aged 78. The year of birth for both of them, therefore, being c 1841.
As far as I am aware, Jane was born in Sussex and Charles in Gatehouse, Scotland.
Carol: In your posting on the 1841 census, is it possible that another Philip, a son of Philip snr. and husband of Jane (30), may just have been absent at the time of the census and that Jane (wife of Chas.D.?) was born later in 1841 and therefore may appear in the 1851 census?
O.B.F.: In your Scotland 1901 census posting, this is definitely Charles, Jane and daughter, Agnes, whom I didn't know was born in England! Agnes died 1963, aged 82, and had the middle name of Bertha per a headstone inscription.
Carol: In your 1871 census posting, there is a Bertha and this may have been a niece with Agnes having been given her name as a second name?
O.B.F.: You have undoubtedly hit on a sister of Agnes in Jennet Kensett Dalrymple as Chas. was a forester at one time! She was totally unknown to me.
It is odd that there appears to be no entry for a marriage of Charles and Jane but hopefully this may turn-up. One thing that has came to light, however, is the fact that this is pre the birth of Jennet in March, 1878!
All-in-all, I am delighted with the progress you have both made for me and I feel I am now "getting there". No doubt you will have realised that I am not at all familiar with the procedures on finding my way around the various sites which could assist with my researches! However, the tips on sites you have mentioned will assist me in this.
I do hope that the above makes some sense to you and many thanks again for your time, patience and interest.
Kind regards.
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Hi Solway
Where did you get the info from that Jane's father was called Philip? Was it from her death cert
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Hi Carole,
From information "handed down".
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1891 at Woodside Cottage, in civil parish of Girthon in county of Kirkcudbrightshire, in Scotland
Charles Dabrymple aged 49 born in Gatehouse, Kirkcudbrightshire, occupation Gardener and Forester
Jane Dabrymple aged 49 born in England (so born abt 1841)
Agnes Birtha Dabrymple aged 10 born in England, Scholar
George Adam Gunn aged 22 born in Duns, Berwickshire, Lodger, occupation Bank Teller
Found no UK marriage registrations for Jane Kensett (using soundex) to Charles Dalrymple in period 1871 - 1881.
The 3 UK marriage registrations found for Jane Kensetts in that timefrime were for other males and they were all found in 1881 census with their respective new husbands.
I could not find a marriage for a Charles Dalrymple (with soundex on) to any Jane or Janet even on ScotlandsPeople search facility, between 1870 and 1881.
I could not find a marriage nor a death for the Jane Kensett (born in Shipley, Sussex abt 1841 ish) found in 1851 as daughter of the elderly Philip Kensett (born about 1769). The Jane Kensett born abt 1841 ish in Shipley Sussex was last spotted in St George Hanover Square, London in 1871 as servant).
Searching in Google books for "Jane Kensett" brings up a link to a book which I cannot view:
" The register book of marriages belonging to the parish of St. George ...Westminster, England. St. George, Hanover square (Parish) - History - 1888
Page 177
No preview available " - however the search said it could not find exact matches for the expression "Jane Kensett".
My only suggestion is that we could hypothesise that possibly this Jane Kensett did marry somebody in St George, Hanover Square sometime after 1871, and that for some reason the marriage did not get indexed in the England and Wales marriage index.
If you wanted to check original records for St George, Hanover Square you could start a new query in the Rootschat lookup area for Middlesex (including a link to this conversation). I have a feeling though that these records might only be available at somewhere like Westminster archives or through the church itself. Worth a try maybe. Good luck!
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The only marriage of a K?ns*t that I could find in St George Hanover Square, though, was for a George Kensett in 1904.
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Another option would be to obtain a copy of the birth registration for Agnes, unless you have seen it already. This would be ultimate confirmation that the maiden-name of her mother that you are looking for definitely is Kensett.
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Agnes Bertha Dalrymple, Year of Registration: 1880, Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Chorlton, County: Lancashire, Volume: 8c, Page: 812
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Thanks One Big Family for your massive effort and time expended on my behalf! I obviously have a lot to learn on tracing family history but will start by trying to obtain the birth certificate for Agnes Bertha to learn of her mother and take things from there.
Your advice and assistance and that of CaroleW is very much appreciated.
Thanks again to both of you.
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It would be interesting to hear the result after you get the certificate. :)
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Will do. Thank you.
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Hi
Found this marriage on SMI
25th Sept 1832 at Shipley
Jane Rhodes, SP to Philip Kensett,Bach,BOTP
Witnesses,Elizabeth Ann Burtinshaw & James Botting.
Hope this helps
Omega
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Well done Omega!
James Botting, the witness, of course was Philip Kensett's brother in law.
(added later.... actually probably not his brother in law :-[ )
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Hi
Pleased i have helped.
Not a common name in Sussex,earliest was 1641 & Shipley 1667.
Omega :)
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It might be jumping the gun a abit, since we still havent got total clarification that McClure's wife was the same Jane Kensett that we have been discussing in this thread, but....
I am intrigued now (or more so)...
So to determine the parentage of the Philip Kensett, husband of Jane Rhodes, and father of the Jane Kensett suspected wife of McClure, I just thought I'd add my notes below:
Marriage on Sussex Marriage Index (supplied by 'Omega' on the wonderful site ;D Rootschat)
25th Sept 1832 at Shipley
Jane Rhodes, SP to Philip Kensett, Bach, BOTP
Witnesses, Elizabeth Ann Burtinshaw & James Botting.
Reading below, the witness above - James Botting, was bro in law to Philip Kensett but the Philip married a Jane so James Botting would have been married to a sister of Philip then, who would have been Elizabeth Kensett as she was called Elizabeth Botting in the will.
The Elizabeth Kensett was most probably the daughter of a Philip and Ann Kensett (seems to be only possible baptism in Shipley, Sussex on 14 June 1762 - IGI extracted record). (The marriage of Elizabeth K to James Botting took place on 11 JUL 1786 Shipley, Sussex, England - IGI submitted record).
Meaning the Philip below (who married Jane Rhodes) is likely to be brother of Elizabeth [Kensett] Botting and would be the Philip Kensett found alive and kicking in 1841 or 1851 with wife Jane. (Another Philip Kensett married a Martha Mildred -I dont have the date - but he died in 1839 and was of Jolesfield Common and he's from my very extended tree).
So this goes with:
West Sussex Record Office
Orlebar Collection
The hierarchical structure of this catalogue is shown below. See the entire contents of the catalogue
Reference SAS-OR
Covering dates 1320-1922
Held by West Sussex Record Office
Extent 10 series
Conditions of access Records are open for consultation
COWFOLD [no ref. or date]
Little Brook [no ref. or date]
Copy of Will of James Botting of Cowfold, carpenter SAS-OR/159 19 Mar 1810
These documents are held at West Sussex Record Office
Contents:
Devise and bequest to brothers-in-law Philip Kensett of Shipley, farmer, and James Turner of Nuthurst, farmer, of all real and personal estate and effects Upon Trust to permit wife Elizabeth [Botting] to receive the rents and profits for life, if she remained a widow. On her decease or marriage the Trustees to sell and divide the proceeds amongst testator's sons, James and Richard and daughter Elizabeth. Executors: the said Philip Kensett and James Turner
And an attested Copy of the same Will
Proving Philip (the elderly one)'s parents were most probably Philip and ANN Kensett.
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Then again, I could be wrong.... :(
I just found another marriage of a Philip Kensett to a Jane.
The Philip who was bro in law to James Botting at the time James Botting made his will (1810) is more likely to be the Philip Kensett who married Jane Turner...
Philip Kensett, marriage to Jane Turner - 09 SEP 1804 Billingshurst, Sussex, England (IGI extracted record).
I thought I was stretching the years a bit...
Whether they were one and the same Philip Kensett though, I wouldn't be able to tell as yet, and thinking about it the James Bottings were probably not the same... not if James made his will in 1810.
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Not there yet, but thinking now...
The couple Philip Kensett and Jane Turner had a son baptised in 1806 in Billingshurst called Philip. This son Philip appears to be still alive in 1841 and married to Sarah (?Merritt).
A Philip Kensett is baptised as son of a Philip and Jane in 1833 in Shipley, so he could not be the son of Philip Kensett who married Jane Turner because his son Philip was alive at that time.
(added after... and of course the Philip who married Jane Rhodes in 1832 was a bachelor... duh ::) ) :D
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There was Philip Kensett who married Mildred (found her surname - Mildred Woolven - marriage date 10 April 1789 in West Grinstead).
There was only one baptism for this couple; a son Richard in 1792.
What happened to Mildred? No burial record found for her (in WG).
If Mildred had died young, could the Philip who married Mildred (who was described as sojourner from Henfield) have then gone on to marry Jane Turner? :-\
(Mildred's Philip was son of William and Mary Kensett according to the historian Emily Kensett):
From The Story of the Free Christian Church Horsham by Emily Kensett, on page 86 it says "The first of my own direct anscestors who joined the church is entered on the roll book of membership as "William Kenny, att West Grinsted, June 7th, 1788"; a little further down the page his brother "Philip Kenny [sic], att West Grinsted, 1794" is also entered. In 1805 the name has grown familiar to the keeper of the register and Mildred, wife of Phillip Kensett, of West Grinsted, is correctly recorded".
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Thanks Omega & One Big Family for all your time and information which I will now try to wend my way through. You will have gathered by now that I am relatively new to much of this!
One query I have at the moment: what is the abbreviation BOTP? I am familiar with SP & Bach but not the other.
Your tremendous input is very much appreciated. Thanks again.
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BOTP means both of this parish, i.e., both parties who married were residing in the parish in the weeks before the marriage, if not longer.
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Ahhhh.... thank you!
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But I'm now stumped for Philips.
Cannot work out who were the parents for Philip who married Jane Rhodes.
Another certificate needed, one day perhaps. ;)
Added later - perhaps not - forgot this marriage was pre 1837!
Unless any others have any ideas?
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Then again, I could be wrong.... :(
I just found another marriage of a Philip Kensett to a Jane.
The Philip who was bro in law to James Botting at the time James Botting made his will (1810) is more likely to be the Philip Kensett who married Jane Turner...
Philip Kensett, marriage to Jane Turner - 09 SEP 1804 Billingshurst, Sussex, England (IGI extracted record).
I thought I was stretching the years a bit...
Whether they were one and the same Philip Kensett though, I wouldn't be able to tell as yet, and thinking about it the James Bottings were probably not the same... not if James made his will in 1810.
Have now just found:
A2A - Philip misdescribed as 'Phipip':
Conveyance SAS-OR/172 15 Dec 1846
These documents are held at West Sussex Record Office
Contents:
By Phipip Kensett, by direction of Elizabeth Botting, widow, James Botting and Elizabeth Burtenshaw, who ratify and confirm, to William Borrer junr. with William Beeching and William Ede as parties of the 3rd. part, - for £575 - of a piece of land containing ½ acre in Cowfold And Assignment by the said William Beeching and William Ede of the Mortgage of 24 Jun 1818 (SAS-OR/161) to Edward Cornford in trust for William Borrer, to attend and wait upon the inheritance of the freehold
Would this indicate Philip Kensett who married Jane Turner was the one who was alive in 1846? ??? ???
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Hi
Hope this info will help.
From the SMI
11th July 1786 at Shipley
James Botting married Elizabeth Kensett.He was from Hurstpierpoint,she OTP (Lic).
Jane Rhodes Baptised 10th July 1803 at Shipley.Mum & Dad Richard & Hannah.
Theres a Philip Kensett baptised at Shipley 20th Jan 1808 but does`nt give Mum & Dads name.
Shipley St Mary De Haura
Philip Kensett ,baptised 3rd Feb 1833,Mum & Dad Philip & Jane.States Philip a farmer.
Jane Kensett,baptised 27th Aug 1841.Mum & Dad Philip & Jane.Philip now a labourer.
This is from a data base i have access to.
Unless the SMI is in complete ,there is only the marriage of Philip marrying a Jane & that was Jane Rhodes.
Omega
Shipley St Mary De Haura.
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OOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPSSSSSSSSSSSS :D
Think i had a funny 5 mins on last post,loads of empty space :-[
Anyway,could be barking up the wrong tree,but here goes.
On the 1851 census
Kensett Philip married born 1769
Jane,wife, "" 1814
James,son born 1838
Jane,daughter,born 1842
Reuben,born 1848
All born Shipley,living Marland,Itchingfield,New Shoreham.
Now off to find Philips baptism
Omega
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Hi
Philip`s Baptisum
4th Aug 1769 at Shipley.Mum & Dad Philip & Ann
Omega
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This is more likely to be Jane`s baptisum
Jane Rhodes
8th Aug 1813.Mum & Dad William & Jane.Dad Labourer.
Omega
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This is more likely to be Jane`s baptisum
Jane Rhodes
8th Aug 1813.Mum & Dad William & Jane.Dad Labourer.
Omega
Was this at Shipley?
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Hi Omega & OneBigFamily,
I am absolutely gobsmacked at the mass of information you have provided me on the Kensett family, and their marriages, since my initial 'sketchy' posting exactly one week ago today!! I am also full of admiration for the time you have taken to be precise in all aspects of detail in your postings and it seems all that is left for me is to simply stitch the information together to reach as far back as 1769 and possibly '62!!
Tremendous sleuthing and very many thanks for giving-up your valuable time on my behalf.
PS.... I thought I had posted a similar appreciation earlier tonight but I am at a loss to know where it went! Anyway, if you eventually receive it, all to the good.
Thank you and I will, in time, post my effort on my interpretation of your information for
comment, if I may.
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You are welcome :)
I'm going to post Philip's resume in a minute but have been a bit side tracked having spotted the Agate surname as the surname of Jane Rhodes mother.
My Philip Kensett (from my extended tree, who married a Mildred) had a brother William (born abt 1757) who corresponded with a Thomas Agate, a senior member of the Agate family who had emigrated to Sparta in the States.
From The Story of the Free Christian Church Horsham by Emily Kensett, on page 101 there is a reference to a letter from Thomas Agate [of Sparta, USA] in 1831, to "Mr Wm Kensett, Slaugham, nr Horsham, Old England" where he wrote ... "I was sorry to hear of the death of your wife...". (William's wife Mary died in 1827, so their correspondence to each other could have been sparce).
I was just drifting off wondering if Jane Agate, wife of William Rhodes, (parents of Jane Rhodes) was related to Thomas Agate....
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SUMMING UP WHAT WE HAVE FOR PHILIP KENSETT WHO MARRIED JANE RHODES
Marriage in Cowfold, Sussex, on 28 Nov 1758, of a couple Philip Kensett and Ann Peirce
(IGI extracted record Church of England. Parish Church of Cowfold, Sussex)
They had at least one child - Philip:
Philip's Baptism: (from Omega) 4th Aug 1769 at Shipley. Mum & Dad Philip & Ann
63 yrs unaccounted for. ( I cant believe he didnt marry in this time ???)
Philip marries, aged 63 approximately, as 'bachelor':
Philip's Marriage: (from Omega) 25th Sept 1832 at Shipley; Jane Rhodes, Spinster to Philip Kensett, Bachelor, Both of this parish. Witnesses, Elizabeth Ann Burtinshaw & James Botting.
[ Wife Jane's baptism: Jane Rhodes baptised 8 August 1813,
Mum & Dad William & Jane. Dad Labourer. (From Omega) ]
1841 at Parson's Brook Shipley, Sussex
Members of same household:
(all born in Sussex, ages rounded)
Philip Kinsett born abt 1770 as aged 70, Ag Lab
Jane Kinsett abt 1810 as aged 30, Wife
Philip Kinsett abt 1832 as aged 8
James Kinsett abt 1837 as aged 3
1851 at Marland, Itchingfield, Horsham, Sussex (next to Marland Bridge)
(next door to a Henry Knight, cleaver born in Slinfold, his wife Hannah,
born in West Chiltington and their children, all but one born in Itchingfield)
Phillip Kensett born in Shipley, Sussex, abt 1768 as aged 82, Married, Head of household, Pauper-Ag Lab
Jane Kensett born in Shipley, Sussex, abt 1811 as aged 39, Wife
James Kensett born in Shipley, Sussex, abt 1836 as aged 13, Son
Jane Kensett born in Shipley, Sussex, abt 1842 as aged 8, Daughter
Reuben Kensett born in Shipley, Sussex, abt 1847 as aged 3, Son
Presumed death reg for Philip Kensett; 1854, Oct-Nov-Dec, Horsham, W Sussex, 2b 149
1861 at Trout in Shipley, Horsham, Sussex
Jane Kensett born abt 1812 Shipley, Sussex, as aged 48, Head, Widowed, Washerwoman
William Rhodes born abt 1847 West Grinstead, Sussex, as aged 13, Nephew, Unmarried, Ag Lab-Plough boy
1871 in Barns Green, Itchingfield, Horsham, Sussex
(next door to Ruben Kensett)
Walter Snatchfold 38, Ag Labourer, Unmarried
Jane Kensett 57, Widowed, 57
William Etheridge 26, Lodger, Unmarried, Ag Lab
1872 Jane 'Kensett' married Walter Snashfold in Horsham, July-Aug-Sep, 2b 413
1881 at Sutton Runtley Farm in Woking, Guildford, Surrey
Walter Snatchfold aged 47 so born abt 1833 Chilton, Sussex, Head, Married, Working Foreman Ag Lab
Jane Snatchfold aged 67 so born abt 1813 Shipley, Sussex, Wife, Wife Of Working Foreman Ag Lab
Richard Snatchfold aged 53 so born abt 1827 Chilton, Sussex, Boarder
1891 at Rats Castle in Itchingfield, Horsham, Sussex
Walter Snatchfold aged 56 so born abt 1834 West Chiltington, Sussex, Head, Ag Labour-Carter, Married
Jane Snatchfold aged 76 so born abt 1814 Shipley, Sussex, Wife, Married
1901 Itchingfield, Horsham, Sussex
Walter Snashfold aged 67 so born abt 1833 West Chiltington, Sussex, Head, General Labourer
Jane Snashfold aged 87 so born abt 1813 Shipley, Sussex, Wife
(Walter incidentally was found in Itchingfield in 1861 with Reuben Kensett)
Death of Jane Snashfold, registered in Horsham, W Sussex, Oct-Nov-Dec 1901, aged 88, Vol 2b, Page 201
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Only one word for this resume: Fantastic!!
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You are welcome :)
I'm going to post Philip's resume in a minute but have been a bit side tracked having spotted the Agate surname as the surname of Jane Rhodes mother.
My Philip Kensett (from my extended tree, who married a Mildred) had a brother William (born abt 1757) who corresponded with a Thomas Agate, a senior member of the Agate family who had emigrated to Sparta in the States.
From The Story of the Free Christian Church Horsham by Emily Kensett, on page 101 there is a reference to a letter from Thomas Agate [of Sparta, USA] in 1831, to "Mr Wm Kensett, Slaugham, nr Horsham, Old England" where he wrote ... "I was sorry to hear of the death of your wife...". (William's wife Mary died in 1827, so their correspondence to each other could have been sparce).
I was just drifting off wondering if Jane Agate, wife of William Rhodes, (parents of Jane Rhodes) was related to Thomas Agate....
Hi Omega,
I too am very appreciative of your help.
Would you be able to look up a baptism for the said Thomas Agate in Shipley at all?
Thomas Agate Birth June 15, 1775 in Shipley, Sussex, England
Death June 17, 1837 in Sparta, New York, USA
(source Ancestry trees)
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Hi Solway & Onebigfamily
Pleased i could help :)
Sorry forgo ,Jane Rhodes was Baptised at Shipley.
Onebigfamily,sorry i cant help with Thomas Agate BUT if you look at the Request Board a member is offering to do look up`s at the Record Office in Chicester in June.
If you would both like help going futher back give me a YELL ;D.
Omega
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...I obviously have a lot to learn on tracing family history but will start by trying to obtain the birth certificate for Agnes Bertha to learn of her mother and take things from there.
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Very much look forward to hearing the outcome,
Penny ;D
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Hi, my friends, sorry for the delay!
My findings since your last........
Birth certificate for Agnes Bertha Dalrymple:-
Born: 24 October, 1880 at 201 Gt. Jackson Street, Hulme, County of Lancaster.
Father: Charles Dalrymple.
Mother: Jane K(i)nsett.
Birth certificate for Jane K(i)nsett;-
Born: 27 August, 1841 at Shipley.
Father: Philip K(i)nsett, labourer.
Mother: Jane K(i)nsett, formerly Rhodes.
Death certificate for Jane Dalrymple, widow of Charles McClure Dalrymple, gardener:-
Died: 23 March, 1928 at Redcrofts, Parton, Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland, aged 86.
Father: Philip Kens(i)tt, vetinary surgeon.
Mother: Jane Kens(i)tt, m.s. Rhodes.
Given the above, and providing you concur, it seems to me that the information you all previously found and sent to me is spot-on and takes me back to Philip Kensett who married Ann Pierce at Shipley on 28 Nov., 1758, and to William Rhodes, married to Jane Agate, who died 4 Aug., 1769 at Shipley.
Added to this, of course, is all the "lateral" information you included on the various siblings of Jane and on Walter Snatchfold, James Botting, etc., etc.
All great sleuthing and many thanks for your time given to me.
Kind regards.
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Hi Solway
Thanks for the news on the certificates - a good result that makes sense all round. The Scottish records are very useful aren't they!
Penny
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Hi Penny,
Yes, an excellent result and I agree, lots of information in the Scottish records and worth retrieving.
Thank you again.
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I have the marriage certificate for Jane Kensett to Charles Dalrymple, my great Grandfather, on 6th February, 1878, at Brigown Church, Mitchelstown, Southern Ireland. Both were aged 36 when they married and the Church is now in a ruinous state.