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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Angus (Forfarshire) => Topic started by: bell on Saturday 26 March 05 22:30 GMT (UK)
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does any body know anything about my grandfather aruther curson lindsay smith b kelly castle abroth abt 1884 or 1886 he came to manchester were he was adoctor from bell
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Hi Bell, I just want to say, what a privlege, it is to see your tree.
I bought your Grandfather's Birth Certificate for you.
Arthur Curzon Lindsay Smith.
born 4 Sep 1887 .........9 . 45 pm.
at Kelly Castle, Arbirlot, Forfar.
Father,, John Smith, Major General, Bengal Staff Corps.[retired].
Mother,,, Edith Helen Smith, Maiden Surname, Campbell.
They married 18/Oct/1870 Edinburgh. informant was father.
OK, I have traced your Smith Line..
I bought the Marriage. on 18/10/1870.
JOHN SMITH, 46yrs, Lt Col Bengal Staff Corps, widower.
usual residence, with his regiment.
Father.... Reverand Robert Smith Sr?
Reverand of St Machar, Old Aberdeen, and
Mother , Mary Curzon Smith, maiden surname, Mollison. deceased.
and
EDITH HELEN CAMPBELL. 23yrs, living at 11 Bellvue Cresent, Edinburgh.
father Duncan Campbell, M.D. Toronto, Canada,
mother Matilda Campbell, maiden surname, Winter.[they married 16/3/1834 Duddingston, edinburgh]
Minister,
P.C. Campbell, Principal, of the University of Aberdeen.
wittnesses
John ? Major Bengal, Staff Corp.
Jessie Campbell.
They were married at 11 Bellvue Cres.
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Your GGGrandfather
Robert Smith Married Mary Curzon Molison 11/6/1821
at Old Machar Aberdeen and also Brechin Angus.
They had the following children.
ANN MARY SMITH - : Female Birth: 04 FEB 1823 Old Machar, Aberdeen, Scotland
ANN MARY SMITH - : Female Christening: 30 MAR 1823 Dreghorn, Ayr, Scotland
JOHN SMITH - Male Birth: 01 JUL 1824 Old Machar, Aberdeen, Scotland
THOMAS MOLISON SMITH -: Male Birth: 28 MAY 1826 Old Machar, Aberdeen, Scotland
ADAM GILLES SMITH : Male Birth: 30 NOV 1827 Old Machar, Aberdeen, Scotland
COLVIN SMITH - Male Birth: 04 AUG 1829 Old Machar, Aberdeen, Scotland
CECILIA GILLIES SMITH: Female Christening: 28 JAN 1831 Old Machar, Aberdeen, Scotland
ROBERT SMITH - : Male Christening: 24 SEP 1832 Old Machar, Aberdeen, Scotland
WILLIAM ALLARDICE SMITH . Male Christening: 14 JUN 1834 Old Machar, Aberdeen, Scotland.
MOLISON SMITH : Male Birth: 13 FEB 1836 Old Machar, Aberdeen, Scotland
MARY CURZON SMITH -Birth: 28 OCT 1839 Old Machar, Aberdeen, Scotland
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Mary Curson Molison
Born 24/2/1794.....Christened 19/3/1794 Brechin Angus.
Father Thomas Molison, and Doctor of Medicine, [died Saughton Hall, near Edinburgh, 28/11/1835]
Mother Ann Burslem,[born 1763 Packington,Stafford, Eng. her father was William Burslem, and her mother was Mary Curzon, they married 1753, Williams father was James and mother was Elizabeth Godolphin, this branch goes back to the 1200s, and wonderful stories go with it]
They married 30/10/1786 Brechin, Angus.
Their children were. as follows.......
JOHN MOLISON - Male Christening: 13 OCT 1787 Brechin, Angus, Scotland
ANN MOLISON - Female Christening: 24 FEB 1789 Brechin, Angus, Scotland
CHRISTINA FERGUSIA MOLISON - Female Christening: 19 MAR 1792 Brechin, Angus, Scotland
MARY CURSON MOLISON - Female Christening: 19 MAR 1794 Brechin, Angus, Scotland
THOMAS MOLISON - Male Christening: 30 OCT 1796 Brechin, Angus, Scotland
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There father Thomas Molyson c 22/3/1760 Brechin
his father John Molyson
mother Fergusia Tod..
These are their children.
THOMAS MOLYSON - Male Christening: 22 MAR 1760 Brechin, Angus, Scotland
MARGARET MOLISON - Female Christening: 05 NOV 1761 Brechin, Angus, Scotland
CATHARINE MOLISON - Female Christening: 30 SEP 1763 Brechin, Angus, Scotland
ANNE MOLISON - Female Christening: 02 JAN 1765 Brechin, Angus, Scotland
FERGUSIA MOLISON -Female Christening: 30 APR 1766 Brechin, Angus, Scotland
EUPHEMIA MOLISON - Female Christening: 26 OCT 1767 Brechin, Angus, Scotland
DAVID MOLISON - Male Christening: 07 JUN 1769 Brechin, Angus, Scotland
FRANCES MOLISON - Female Christening: 29 OCT 1770 Brechin, Angus, Scotland
JEAN MOLISON - Female Christening: 17 SEP 1772 Brechin, Angus, Scotland
MARY MOLISON - Female Christening: 09 NOV 1774 Brechin, Angus, Scotland
ALEXANDER MOLISON - Male Christening: 12 MAR 1777 Brechin, Angus, Scotland
JAMES MOLISON - Male Christening: 14 OCT 1778 Brechin, Angus, Scotland
ROBERT MOLISON - Male Christening: 08 MAR 1781 Brechin, Angus, Scotland
ISABEL MOLISON - Female Christening: 03 JAN 1785 Brechin, Angus, Scotland
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Fergusia Tod
Christened 8/8/1740 Lasswade Midlotian
father John Tod
mother Margaret/Peggie Whyte. [they married 5/10/1729 Carrington Mid and also 26/10/1739 Lasswade, Midlothian.
WHAT AN AMAZING TREE..
Some pretty famous people there.
regards
kenjo ;D
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hi kenjoe thankyou for all the information please could you jest peg them tome thankyou from bell
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Hi Bell,
I would happily send the 2 certificates to you, but I just don't seem to be getting through to you,
I can't send them to you UNLESS YOU SEND ME YOUR EMAIL.
Go to my personal message I sent you, and my email is there .[you are returning my message back to me] .
These 2 certificates are free,
Once I send them JPEG, to your email, I will not bother you.
I sincerely mean this.
kenjo
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hi kenjoe m y email is [email removed to prevent misuse] my other email went wrong from bell
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Hi bell,
got your email and have sent off the certs.
good luck
from kenjo :-*
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Hi bell,
Sadly your email doesn't work, everything has been returned. ???
Can you send me a personal email, through rootschat,
click on the green scroll, on the side of my message ,
it is next to the little baby's face.
Send me your home address, and I will post the certificates off to you.
Regards
kenjo :'(
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thankyou for the thing you sendme iam having problems with my emails ican not recive anymore because they said ihad to many idelted some but have only got 6 but ithink it is there end are you related to any of the smith?iwill give you my other email address [email removed to prevent misuse] from bell
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Hi Bell,
Did you get 2 certificates from by JPEG???
No, I am not related, but I did enjoy, helping you with your tree.
You have some very wonderful characters in your family.
such as Naval Captains that caught foriegn ships and they won rewards for this also they were mentioned in the peerage, there was one famous sailor, he drowned in NZ.
family letters were sent back to England. this is all on the net.
This is the family from Staffordshire,
let alone the Doctors and Generals, head Pastors mixed with University heads. very impressive.
We'll talk soon.
kenjo :D
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Hiya Bell , Maj Gen John Smith of the Bengal Staff Corps was my gt. gt. Grandfather. I have an amazing family tree. I think I have located you on it.
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I have a note that John Mol(l)ison, husband of Fergusia Todd, was the son of Francis Mollison and Katherine Spence. But if this is so, why did he not name any of his sons Francis?
Is there any evidence of a connection between the Mol(l)ison family in Brechin and the family of the same name who farmed at Craigendowie in Lethnot for at least 150 years?
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The family tree I have says that John Molison was the grandson of Francis Molison and the only child of John Molison and Catherine Spence.
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The family tree I have says that John Molison was the grandson of Francis Molison and the only child of John Molison and Catherine Spence.
That's possible too. I wasn't sure that I trusted that note!
Out of curiosity, I took a look at the baptism of the child born to John M and Fergusia Todd in 1770. The name is quite clearly Francis or Frances, not Fergusia, but there is no indication whether it was a son or a daughter. See attached.
Their fiirst son was John, baptised 15 September 1758 in Brechin. So they must have been married about 1757. So John, husband of Fergusia Todd, must have been born around 1730/1740.
Francis Mollison and Janet Skinner had 5 recorded children between 1695 and 1707:
Francis, baptised 28 March 1695
John, baptised11 August 1698
Janet, 4 August 1700
Margaret, baptised 16 October 1702
James, baptised 8 May 1707
So it is perfectly possible that John b 1698 was the father of John b about 1730/1740. In that case, however, it must be Francis b 1695, or even a younger Francis Mollison, who was Commissary Court Clerk in 1758, as their father (husband of Janet Skinner), would, if still living, have been too old to be doing such a job in 1758.
If John b 1730/1740 was an only child, who were the parents of Bailie David Mollison, who was John's contemporary and witness to the baptism of John's child Franc*s in 1770?
However, there is a gravestone in the Cathedral Kirkyard which (according to the MI booklet) reads
1777. Francis Molison mert 28.7.1769, w Kath Spence 9.9.1764, David who survived his wife a few years only, by s John mert 19.5.1789 (w Fergusia Todd, survived by one s and one da); John Molison late provost Brechin 21.6.1791.
So barring transcription errors, the stone seems to say that Katherine Spence was the wife of Francis, not John, Molison. All very confusing. (Also, shockingly sad, in that only two of Fergusia's 15 children survived her. Thomas was one; the other was Mary, who married George Whitson and died in 1856.)
Has anyone got a copy of the testament of Francis Molison, late Bailie of Brechin, who died 9 February 1722? It's a Testament Dative, so probably won't be very informative, but it might name his wife.
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BTW Maj Gen John Smith's aunt, Ann Mollison, daughter of Thomas Mollison and Ann Burslem, was the second wife of William Allardice of Murlingden. Her stepson William Patrick Allardice, son of William Allardice by his first wife Catherine Lowe, is referred to in this thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=773109.0
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I have a family tree showing Lindsay Smiths, Smiths, Campbell's and Molisons.
At the top of the tree is an inscription claiming the Lyndsay Smiths were smythes for the Lindsay clan... is there any truth in this?
One branch of my ancestors lived at Kelly castle in Arbirlot in the 1870s. - my gt gt grandfather was maj Gen Smith of the Bengal Staff corps. Is there any link with the Ramsay clan.
What tangible link do these Smiths have with the Lindsays ?
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Out of curiosity, I took a look at the baptism of the child born to John M and Fergusia Todd in 1770. The name is quite clearly Francis or Frances, not Fergusia, but there is no indication whether it was a son or a daughter
If it's of any help, it looks to be FrancEs as the 'Is' to me look quite obvious (not looped) & are noticeably dotted?
There does look to be an errant dot above the 'E' but it's very faint as if from the next page but the letter is looped like an 'E' :-\
Annie
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Out of curiosity, I took a look at the baptism of the child born to John M and Fergusia Todd in 1770. The name is quite clearly Francis or Frances, not Fergusia, but there is no indication whether it was a son or a daughter
If it's of any help, it looks to be FrancEs as the 'Is' to me look quite obvious (not looped) & are noticeably dotted?
There does look to be an errant dot above the 'E' but it's very faint as if from the next page but the letter is looped like an 'E' :-\
Annie
That is exactly why I can't make up my mind whether it's Francis or Frances. I suppose, since Fergusia's gravestone apparently says that only one son and one daughter survived her, and we know that Thomas and Mary both outlived her, we know that Francis/Frances must have died before 1785, so wouldn't have married and had a family, so his/her gender isn't all that important.
The point is that, despite what various online trees seem to say, the child was not baptised by the name Fergusia. That in itself is a bit odd because none of Fergusia's recorded daughters were named after their mother
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I hadn't noticed the last post from Forfarian until now but...
I have just had another look at the name Frances/Francis...
I now notice the 'I' in all the other text is more upright than the (what I think) 'E' as it seems to have a forward slant but as you say Forfarian, it won't really matter but it's an observation which may help others when trying to figure what letter they actually see or think they see & how much we have to put into comparing letter formation ??? ;D....
And still end up unsure ::)
Annie
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Hi Forfarian
I am a descendant of the Allardice of India and have a tree on Geni, 5 of the 13 Allardice children have
grandchilren alive. 4 in UK and 1 in South Africa
Neville
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Hello Neville, we have corresponded before about Allardices. I have a little more information from South Africa, but it's not that easy to research there, especially from afar!
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Hi Forfarian
I am from Durban, South Africa and have found most of the Allardice offspring alive today.
I am really interested in Captain William Allardice of Murlingden(just north of Brechin) who was in HEICS and where he went with the British East India Company. He married Catherine Low after a House of Lords judgement(1792 to 1802)which is an interesting court case on Courting.
His Grandson Alexander goes coffee farming most likely due to the inheritance issue in court case of Allardice vs Onslow about the coffee farm owned by the Cannon family who were the first coffee farmers in India.
David Onslow Allardice (my maternal grandfather) was educated at Royal High School Edinburgh where he was sent from India.
I was recently in Brechin looking to find more information.
I am now linked to Barnaby Guthrie after my DNA test and also MacMillans of Renfrewshire.
My sisters second name is Guthrie, after David Guthrie and Helen Guthrie
Please share your Guthrie tree.
regards
Neville Kirkwood
kirkwood@sandstones.co.za
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Hi Bell, I am related to you as your grandfather Arthur Curzon Smith was the brother of my great grandfather John Lindsay Smith who was also born at Kelly Castle. I have a lot of family information and a wonderful family tree that goes all the way back to Laurence Smith of Brechin (1450). Get in touch and I'd be happy to share it with you.