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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: kevingb on Wednesday 19 May 10 07:53 BST (UK)
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I am looking for information on the Smith Family . So far this is what I have :
The Smith family of the early 18th Century lived in St. Pancras, Westminister in London . Adam and Mary Smith raised nine children of whom Charles and Caroline’s son Edmund James would achieve prominence in the business world as the founder member of the firm ‘Smith Gore’ as well as appointments to various positions by the Crown .
The fifth child of eleven born to Edmund James and Margaret Smith, Arthur Frederick Smith born 13th May 1853 received his schooling at Harrow and Wellington College and in 1872 entered Trinity College Cambridge, before moving to Downing College in 1874 . The son of renowned ‘Crown Receiver for the Northern Counties’ and ‘Surveyor to the Ecclesiastical Commissioners’ and founder partner in 1847 of ‘Smith Gore’ (property consulting and management) , Arthur Frederick however did not enter into the family business and instead emigrated to South Africa in 1880 where he settled in Kimberley .
ARTHUR FREDERICK SMITH
b 13-05-1854 in London (?)
d 18-02-1936 in Kimberley (Nazareth House) , North Eastern Cape
Arthur Frederick Smith completed his schooling at Harrow and Wellington College before entering Trinity College Cambridge University in 1872 and then in 1874 moving to Downing College . The entry in Alumni Cantabrigienses (the standard printed list of Cambridge alumni) runs as follows:
After leaving Cambridge University Arthur ……… and then …… emigrating to South Africa on …….. aboard …………and finally settling in Kimberley.
Arthur married in Kimberley on _ _ 18_ to Julia Howard nee Jones
b 01-01-1860 d 04-01-1946 (Durban) .
Arthur and Julia had seven children :
Kathleen Margaret (b _ _ __ in Kimberley d _ _ __)
Mabel (b _ _ __ in Kimberley d _ _ __)
Cecil Arthur (b _ _ __ in Kimberley d _ _ __)
Reginald Charles (Toonky) (b _ _ __ in Kimberley d _ _ __)
Percival (Boyney) (b _ _ __ in Kimberley d _ _ __)
Gertrude Maude (b _ _ __ in Kimberley d _ _ __)
Arthur Howard (b 14-08-1910 in Kimberley d _ _ 1988 in Durban)
In Kimberley , Arthur joined DeBeers Diamond Mining Company .
He was also one of the founder members of the Kimberley Golf Club which he patroned over the years .
EDMUND JAMES SMITH
b _ _-1817 in ________
d 21-07-1880 in ________
Edmund James married at York on _ _ 1846 to Margaret nee Noble b _ _ -1825 , d _ _ __ , daughter of John and Hannah (nee Shepherd) Noble , governor of York Castle and Goal .
Edmund James rose to prominence as a land surveyor and agent , and founder of the firm ‘Smith Gore’ of 16 Whitehall Place , as well as highly respected council and committee appointments by the Crown . Residing at 14 Parliament Street Westminister .
Edmund and Margaret had eleven children :
Herbert Edmund (b 29-08-1847 , d _ _ __ )
Charles John (b 04-01-1849 , d _ _ __ )
Amy Margaret (b 24-05-1850 , d _ _ __ )
Gertrude Caroline (b 16-01-1852 , d _ _ __ )
Arthur Frederick (b 13-05-1854 , d _ _ __ )
Reginald William (b 07-09-1854 , d _ _ __ )
George Cecil (b 28-12-1857 , d _ _ __ )
Mabel Hannah (b 12-02-1860 , d _ _ __ )
Henry Griffiths (b 22-03-1862 , d _ _ __ )
Percival Robert (b _ _-1864 , d _ _ __ )
Ethel Maria (b _ _-1867 , d _ _ __ )
In the Annual Register, Volume 22, of 1881, the death of Edmund James in 1880 was reported as follows:
“On 21 July Edmund James Smith, Crown Receiver for the Northern Counties, Surveyor to the Ecclesiastical Commissioners, besides holding many other important posts to which he had been appointed on account of his special knowledge and capacity.
He was altogether a self-made man, having risen from humble origins.”
(The obituary for Edmund James Smith is recorded in Minutes of the Proceedings of the Institute of Civil Engineers, Volume 61, pages 303-4; also the history of the firm now known as ‘Smiths Gore’, and various census returns.)
CHARLES SMITH
b 06-4-1769 Westminister , London
d _ _ c1852
Charles married at North Cray on 07-12-1799 to Caroline nee Hakewill
b _ _ 1773 d _ _ c1848 , daughter of John and Anna Maria (nee Cook) Hakewill .
Charles and Caroline had seven children :
Charles Adam John (b _ _ 1802 Westminister , d _ _ __)
Maria (b _ _ c1804 Westminister , d _ _ 1866 unmarried)
Caroline (b _ _ c1806 Westminister , d _ _ __ unmarried)
Sophia (b _ _ c1807 Westminister , d _ _ __ unmarried)
Robert (b _ _ __ Westminister , d _ _ __)
William Henry (b _ _ __ Westminister , d _ _ __)
George Frederick (b _ _ c1813 Westminister , d _ _ __)
Edmund James (b _ _ c1817 Westminister , d 21-07-1880)
ADAM SMITH
b _ _ __
d _ _ __
Adam married _ _ __ to Mary nee _______ b _ _ __ , d _ _ __
Adam and Mary had nine children :
John (b _ _ 1752 , d _ _ __)
Susanna (b _ _ 1753 , d _ _ __)
Anne (b _ _ 1758 , d _ _ __)
Elizabeth (b _ _ 1759 , d _ _ __)
George (b _ _ 1761 , d _ _ __)
William (b _ _ 1763 , d _ _ __)
Harriet (b _ _ 1767 , d _ _ __)
Charles (b 06-04-1769 , d _ _ c1852)
Sophia (b _ _ 1770 , d _ _ __)
I would appreciate any information and copies of photos/docs/bmd
Regards
Kevin
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Hi Kevin
You seem to have been quite thorough in your research so far.
Is there anything specifically we can help you with at this time so that Rootschatters do not spend their free time duplicating what you might already have?
Regards
Dawn
(Co-moderator for London & Middlesex)
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Hi Dawn
Thanks for the note . I am looking for :
1) missing dates
2) missing BMD
3) ship passenger list for Arthur Frederick to South Africa
4) any old photos/documents (eg: Smith Gore Co)
5) why AF went to SA , what about the other siblings
6( Adam Smith info and earlier generation
Regards
Kevin
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Hi Kevin
You haven't updated your profile so we don't know where in the world you are.
Have you been to the City of Westminster Archives and tried to find the baptisms you make reference to?
http://westminster.gov.uk/services/libraries/archives/
Dawn
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From freebmd
Marriages Sept 1/4 1846
Smith, Edmund James, York 23, 638
Margaret Noble also has the same reference
You can purchase the marriage cert from the GRO (www.gro.gov.uk) for £9.25 which will give you the exact date.
Dawn
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Hi Dawn
Many thanks for the info .
I have someone in Uk doing searches for me and will hopefully have the info within the next 2-3 weeks --- Smith not being too easy .
Once info all in i will remove the posting(s) .
I notice on a number of profiles that location (and other info) is not entered -- is it mandatory as I would rather not have all my details published .
Regards
Kevin
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Hi Kevin
It is not mandatory but does help others point you in a direction. (we're not asking for full details just a location)
If we know you live out of London, or out of the UK, eg New Zealand, it is potentially a waste of time suggesting a visit to the archives in London.
Dawn
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Hi Dawn
Thanks for the expalnation . I have put in location .
Regards
Kevin
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Hi
On Edward James's baptism Charles was a linen draper
St George Hanover Square 7th December 1816
Edward James Smith parents Charles and Caroline, Conduit Street, father's occupation linen draper
Charles gives his birth place as St James Westminster Square on the 1851 census (the IGI gives sister Sophia's baptism at that church in the following year) which makes this Prerogative Court of Canterbury will a possibility for Charles' father - always difficult to be sure because of the commoness of the Smith surname.
Will of Adam Smith, Linen Draper of Saint James Westminster , Middlesex 21 March 1796 PROB 11/1273
Regards
Valda
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Go to http://genealogy.jvans.co.uk/getperson.php?personID=I154&tree=1 and you can download a Gedcom of his family.
Jamie.