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Title: BURTCHAELL family of Brandondale, Co. Kilkenny
Post by: Katharine75 on Thursday 20 May 10 03:17 BST (UK)
Hi. Is anybody researching the Burtchaell family of Brandondale? I am looking for a bit of information on an Archdall Burtchaell who seems to have married a Hannah Gore in Co. Wexford in 1849. I am assuming he has a connection to the family who were at Brandondale (not confirmed though!).

When I did a websearch, I found a Rev. Archdall Burtchaell, who seems to have been working as a missionary in Africa.
I haven't found a death for Archdall (doesn't seem to be one on civil registration - might have died overseas), but his wife is buried in Co. Wexford. It doesn't appear that they would have had children, as Hannah was quite a bit older than him.

I am researching the possible connection to my Gore line, so am only after information relating to Archdall himself, rather than the whole Burtchaell family.

Can anyone help?
Title: Re: BURTCHAELL family of Brandondale, Co. Kilkenny
Post by: Summerhill on Thursday 05 August 10 23:02 BST (UK)
Try graignamanagh Library.  They have an excellent local history section and information on the Burtchaells of Brandondale.  also they will give you the name of the local historical society as I think one of their members wrote a book on the Burtchaells.

Hope this helps.

Summerhill
Title: Re: BURTCHAELL family of Brandondale, Co. Kilkenny
Post by: Katharine75 on Friday 06 August 10 05:50 BST (UK)
Many thanks for the tip Summerhill. Will check it out. Katharine.
Title: Re: BURTCHAELL family of Brandondale, Co. Kilkenny
Post by: Burtch on Thursday 20 January 11 23:58 GMT (UK)
Hello Katharine, I am Robert Kinney Burtchaell. My brother, James Tunstead Burtchaell has done extensive research on our family. From his findings, I am able to provide you with these pieces, the last perhaps of most interest to you:

Not all emigration has brought Burtchaells to the United States.  Three brothers, Archdall (b. 1824), Francis Hamilton Loftus (b. 1827) and Benjamin Burton (b. 1830), all emigrated to Canada early enough for the youngest to marry there in 1847.  Archdall begot daughters, and settled in Fenelon Falls, while Benjamin Burton went to Coboconk: both in Ontario, about 60 miles northeast of Toronto. Their issue has not been numerous. 

This is matched by a more spicy rumor downstream on the Catholic side.  According to this memory one of the male Burtchaell gentry got one of the female Burtchaell yeomanry with child, and surprised everyone by “doing the honest thing” and taking her to wife.  The couple then left the child with her kin, crossed the Atlantic to create a new home, but perished before they could send for their child.  That child, raised as a Catholic, then went on to be a major forbear of the Catholic Burtchaells.  This rumor seems at first hearing to be improbable, but there turns out to be one child who might explain such a memory.  The Graigue Catholic parish register reports the baptism of a Margaret B. Burtchaell (full spelling), born 28/3/1852 to “Archbold” Burtchaell and Mary Howitt.  The father’s given name is quite unusual, and fits ill with all those Murphys and Corcorans.  It may well be a confusion for Archdall Burtchaell, son of Augusta Byrn and Patrick Burtchaell.  Archdall was born in November 1824 and would have been 27 at the time of this Margaret’s birth.  Also, he was one of those who emigrated to Canada and did not return.  Was this the spark that leapt the gap between the two distant houses?

The most obvious characteristic of the Canadian Burtchaells is how few reproductive males they included.  Thus, while Nicholas, who ran off to New Orleans and was known to George Dames B. as simply “d. unm.”, has produced (through a single one of his children) a massively expanding family to the seventh generation (it must be the Catholic Thing), Francis begets no one, Archdall’s daughters carry the name only one generation, and Benjamin’s two great-grandsons Ian and Christopher seem to leave no trace.  I say this, of course, quite conscious that the Canadians were set adrift orthographically and have spelt the surname variously.

My speculation on this—  There is one child who might correspond to this memory.  The Graig parish register reports the baptism of Margaret B. Burtchaell (full spelling), born 28/3/1852 to “Archbold” Burtchaell and Mary Howitt.  The father’s name is quite unusual, and may be a confusion for Archdall, son of Augusta Byrn and Patrick Burtchaell.  Archdall was born in November 1824: he would have been 27 at the time of Margaret’s birth.  He emigrated to Canada and apparently did not return.  Thus far the correspondences.
However, there are many unlikelihoods in this possibility.  First, we have a tentative identification of a woman named Gore, possibly  from Co. Wexford, as Archdall’s wife, and two daughters, the first named Sara, and the second married to a man called Smith. 
+++++++++++++++++++++++++ KATHARINE, more to come
Title: Re: BURTCHAELL family of Brandondale, Co. Kilkenny
Post by: Burtch on Friday 21 January 11 00:01 GMT (UK)
Part Two, due to size from Bob Burtchaell:

ARCHDALL BURTCHAELL (PATRICK, PETER, THOMAS, MICHAEL BURTCHAELL OF  BURGAGEMORE) was born November 1824. He met (1) MARY HOWITT 1851. He married (2)’? GORE abt. 1853.                                                 
         
         Notes for ARCHDALL BURTCHAELL:
         Archdall, Benjamin, and perhaps Francis all emigrated to Canada.
         
         Correspondence from I. E. Peters, of Peterborough, Ontario, reveals that his wife Eda Belle was a granddaughter of Archdall (the brother of Benjamin). He was never forthcoming with promised information, but he was a member of the Ontario Genealogical Society.
         
         More About ARCHDALL BURTCHAELL:
         Baptism:  24 November 1824. Thus G.D.B. 19O3~ G.D.B. elsewhere gives it as the birth date
         Emigration:    To Toronto, Ontario, Canada
         Property: Bet. 1848- 1851, Griffith’s Valuation of Ireland reports Archdall. Esq. owns property at Stripes in The Rower Parish, Co. Kilkenny
                                                                               
         More About MARY HOWITT:
         Religion: Catholic
         
         Marriage Notes for ARCHDALL BURTCHAELL and MARY HOWITT:
         The paternity of Margaret B. Burtchaell as recorded here is conjectural. The baptismal register of the Duiske Abbey Church (Catholic) in Graiguenamanah records the baptism of a Margaret B. Burtchaell). born 28/3/1852 to “Archbold” Burtchaell and Mary Howitt. The father’s given name is quite unusual, and fits ill with all the Murphys and Corcorans and other conventionally Catholic names with which the clan of Catholic Burtchaells in Graig intermarried. It may well be a confusion for Archdall Burtchaell, son of Augusta Bym and Patrick Burtchaell. Archdall was born in November 1824 and would have been 27 at the time  of Margaret’s birth. He was one of those who later emigrated to Canada and did not return.
         He is reported as having married a woman named Gore. This is mentioned because of a longstanding recollection among the Catholic Burtchaells from Graig that one of the Protestant Burtchaells had gotten a local Catholic girl pregnant.
         
         
                   More About ARCHDALL BURTCHAELL and ? GORE:
                   Marriage: abt. 1853
         
                    Child of ARCHDALL BURTCHAELL and MARY HOWITT is:
                          MARGARET B BURTCHAELL, b. 28 March 1852, Graiguenarnanagh.
         
                              Notes for MARGARET B. BURTCHAELL:
See Archdall Burtchaell, Marriage/More, conjectured to be Margaret’s possibly illegitimate father. The Abbey Church (Caholic parish) in Graiguenamanagh preserves registers that go back only to the early nineteenth century. A Margaret B. appears in those Catholic registers as the daughter born to “Archbold” Burtchaell and Mary Howitt in 1852 and presented for baptism. A subsequent marriage at the  age of 29 and the birthing of 6 children by the age of 38 suggests that this      young woman fit very naturally into the Catholics of Graiguenamanagh.
         
         
                    Children of ARCHDALL BURTCHALLL and ? GORE are:
                          SARA  BURTCHAELL, d. unm..
         
         
                              Notes for SARA BURTCHAELL:
                              Was Sara, of Toronto and Fenelon Falls, Ontario, the aunt of Eda lsabelle
                              Smith, wife of J. E. Peters?
         
                              ? BURTCHAELL, m. ‘? SMITH.
         
                              Notes for ? BURTCHAELL:
                              J.G. Peters, her son-in-law, reports her and her sister. She had at least one daughter, his wife.
         
      ANNA ELIZA BURTCHAELL. b. 20 September 1857; m. RICHARD                       TRUAX, 13 October 1886, Church of the Ascension, Toronto, Ontario; b. 19 August 1848;  d. 17 March 1899.
         
                              Notes for ANNA ELIZA BURTCHAELL:
                              Anna Eliza Burtchaell appears frequently in genealogical reports because of the Truax family. As a Burtchaell in Ontario, at this age, she must be one of the daughters of Archdall, especially since her first son, b. 2 December 1888, was Harold Archdall Truax.
         
                              More About RICHARD TRUAX and ANNA BURTCHAELL:
                             Marriage: 13 October 1 886, Church of the Ascension, Toronto, Ontario
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Title: Re: BURTCHAELL family of Brandondale, Co. Kilkenny
Post by: Summerhill on Friday 21 January 11 20:32 GMT (UK)
Regarding the marriage of Archdall Burtchaell to Ms Gore in 1853

The lady may have been  from Duncormick Co, Wexford.  And also married there. There are a few Gores relative to that area only and also there was a small shurch of Ireland church in Duncormick .  Due to a dwindling congretation it was closed in the 1960's for a period, it is now used as the local catholic church.  There are some Gores buried there down through the centuries  and if you contact the local parish priest he will be able to give you further information.  You will find him on www.ferns.ie this is the website for the ferns diocesan catholic parish. There you will find information on all the churches in the  diocese of ferns & contact numbers for the clergy.

Hope this helps,

Kind regards,

Summerhill.
Title: Re: BURTCHAELL family of Brandondale, Co. Kilkenny
Post by: Jack2227 on Wednesday 27 April 11 22:20 BST (UK)
Brian J Cantwell memorials of the Dead;

Duncormick; COI

Gore;
Sacred to the memory of Elizabeth Hanna, wife of Frederick Gore, Esq, A.M. of Dungormuck, who departed this life October 15th 1873, aged 66 years, also the above Frederick Gore Esq A.M. who departed this life January 28th 1874, aged 66 years.

Jack

Title: Re: BURTCHAELL family of Brandondale, Co. Kilkenny
Post by: Katharine75 on Wednesday 27 April 11 22:27 BST (UK)
Thanks Jack. I already have that reference though, and both death certificates. That is the reason why I am interested in the link with Burtchaell, as those two Gore's would appear to be part of my family.
Thanks, Katharine.
Title: Re: BURTCHAELL family of Brandondale, Co. Kilkenny
Post by: carolanne10 on Wednesday 12 October 11 11:28 BST (UK)
Wow... I have tears in my eyes as I read this.  I am Carolanne Burtchell (they dropped the "a" at some point),  Peter Burtchaell was my great great grandfather.  I understand he was the adventurous one... while his brothers went to Canada or New York, he went solo to New Orleans and married a creole woman (Half Irish/ half black or Native American) named Maria(h) Gerard.  They then moved up-river to New York.  I have lots more info but it's late and I only randomly stumbled upon this site while drinking and listening to Dropkick Murphys (the Irish runs deep in this one). 

Please e-mail *

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Title: Re: BURTCHAELL family of Brandondale, Co. Kilkenny
Post by: Katharine75 on Wednesday 12 October 11 12:54 BST (UK)
Hi Carolanne. Hopefully one of the others who have posted here will see your posting. Do a few more posts and then you will be able to contact them directly.
Katharine.
Title: Re: BURTCHAELL family of Brandondale, Co. Kilkenny
Post by: geishatattoo on Sunday 27 November 11 03:21 GMT (UK)
Bob, Katherine and Carolanne,

Bob: How can I reach Father Jim?  My name is Linda and I'm a distant cousin of yours, descended from Benjamin B. Burthchaell.  Jim and I corresponded a lot before he published his findings and I've lost track of him since he sent me his publications. About Ian and Christopher Burtchall--they were very much alive at the time Jim was finishing up his research.  I made contact with Ian and tried to contact Peter but they were both simply unwilling to participate in the genealogy  . I was told the name was changed when their father was in the service during WW2 (a typical military screw-up) and never corrected.

Katherine:  I just tried to find your email address today but have lost it when I changed servers.  I'm not on yahoo.ca now but I think my handle is the same as what I gave you on hotmail. Father Jim's entry on Archdall Burtchaell and Ms Gore is missing a daughter: Jane married William Heard of Fenelon Falls (who is the son of my great grandfather Joseph Heard).  Bill ran Heard's Hardware store in Fenelon. 

Carolanne:  You appear to be a long lost branch.  If your Peter Burtchaell is the brother of my G-G-grandfather Benjamin (and not the Peter of the previous generation, whose christening gown is in my mother's possession), Father Jim has him as dead at 17.

Linda from Canada
Title: Re: BURTCHAELL family of Brandondale, Co. Kilkenny
Post by: Katharine75 on Sunday 27 November 11 08:59 GMT (UK)
Hi Linda, I will PM you with my email address for your reference.
Despite the information that people have sent to me on the Burtchaell line, I am still confused by this family. What I am looking for particularly from any descendants is information on where and when the original Archdall Burtchaell (husband of Miss Gore) died. And any confirmation of her christian name from primary sources.
Does anyone have what I seek?
Katharine.
Title: Re: BURTCHAELL family of Brandondale, Co. Kilkenny
Post by: geishatattoo on Monday 28 November 11 06:52 GMT (UK)
Katherine, I see someone has given you Archdall's death info on another search you did, which said he died in York, and also mentioned a Maria Burtchaell who also died in York. York is in essence Toronto. His daughters were known in the family to have lived in Toronto, so it is a pretty safe bet this is indeed your Archdall.  The question is was this Maria Burtchaell your Gore ancestor or was she Mary Howitt?  Did Archdall, as Bob Burtchaell suggested to you, actually marry Mary or not? Father Jim's genealogy does not definitively state that they were married. Did you every clearly establish Ms Gore's given names?  Also note that the family has Archdall's birthdate as November 14, 1824, not 1828 as it says in the death info.

You say you are finding the Burtchaell's confusing.  What exactly is confusing you about them?
Title: Re: BURTCHAELL family of Brandondale, Co. Kilkenny
Post by: Katharine75 on Monday 28 November 11 11:22 GMT (UK)
Hi Linda. Thanks for your reply. I had forgotten about the deaths for Archdall and Maria Burtchaell. I will PM you. Katharine.
Title: Re: BURTCHAELL family of Brandondale, Co. Kilkenny
Post by: rylmoxmoshburt on Saturday 10 March 12 23:38 GMT (UK)
Hello  I have a copy of a Burtchaell family tree made in 1903, re Burtchaells from Co. Kilkenny, Ireland, also some info on Archdall and Benjamin Burtchaell of Toronto and Fenlon Falls.
I would like to talk to Linda from Canada , we are probably related. Thanks Ken
Title: Re: BURTCHAELL family of Brandondale, Co. Kilkenny
Post by: geishatattoo on Sunday 11 March 12 22:43 GMT (UK)
So, who are you Ken?  Are you a Burtchaell, or a descendant by another name (as am I)? And from whom are you descended?  Are you in Canada?

The 1903 genealogy, is that the one done by George Dames Burtchaell?  The more recent one by James Tunstead Burtchaell is much more accurate and all encompassing. 

If you would like to correspond privately, give me your email address.  Otherwise, leave a note here and I will respond.

Linda from BC, Canada
Title: Re: BURTCHAELL family of Brandondale, Co. Kilkenny
Post by: rylmoxmoshburt on Monday 12 March 12 02:31 GMT (UK)
Hello Linda Not sure if I can post my email address as this was my first post, *.

I am a decendent of Archdall and Benjamin, the two brothers who came to Ontario.

My great grandmother was Maria Burtchaell, first daughter of Archdale and Maria Burtchaell.

Maria married my grgrandfather Charles Thomas Ryall, April 15, 1855 in Toronto.

We have a trip planned for Ireland in May and I was hopeing to sort out a few things before then.

Your help would be much appreciated, Thanks Ken Ryall, Dunsford, Ontario, about 2 hours north of Toronto. We are actually faily close to where Benjamin Burton Burtchaell and Pheobe Weir settled.

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Title: Re: BURTCHAELL family of Brandondale, Co. Kilkenny
Post by: Katharine75 on Monday 12 March 12 05:19 GMT (UK)
Ken, I would love to talk to you offline, as your line (Archdall) is the one I am interested in! Although I am not a Burtchaell descendant I have an interest in Archdall through his marriages.
I will email you.
katharine.
Title: Re: BURTCHAELL family of Brandondale, Co. Kilkenny
Post by: Burtch on Monday 12 March 12 16:38 GMT (UK)
Good morning all. I just now received a nudge from RootsChat, notifying me of this recent sharing. Somehow I'd been skipped when Linda from Canada was inquiring about my brother Father * Burtchaell.

He is retired, living in his Order's retirement community at The University of Notre Dame. Sadly, he now has progressed into a dementia that would prevent him from further participating in researching our family’s past. I now have all his research papers.

Katherine, looks like you may be onto your Archdall/Gore question. Good luck.

Ken, I have tried to attach some exterior pictures of Brandondale, our family home, (even Google Streets has them), and also have some of the Burtchaell grave sites, but RootsChat refused them because of size. The family home is so large, it took two pictures for me to get it all in frame!

Robert Kinney Burtchaell

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Title: Re: BURTCHAELL family of Brandondale, Co. Kilkenny
Post by: geishatattoo on Wednesday 14 March 12 01:13 GMT (UK)
Ken, this is great!  Distant cousins. This is especially great for Katharine, after I promised to help her trace your ancestress and then dropped the ball because of the Holiday Season and numerous other excuses.  When I was trying to help Father Jim trace the Canadian Burtchaell’s, it was really hard to get info on Archdall and his descendants. 
Benjamin Burton Burtchaell’s daughter Catherine (Kate) married Joseph Heard.  Their daughter Hazel Heard married Harry Everett and moved to Bracebridge, Muskoka.  Their daughter Virginia Everett joined the RCAF and was stationed in Patricia Bay on Vancouver Island where she met and married my father John Olafsen.  That’s me:  Linda Jane Catherine Burtchaell Olafsen (now Ford).
Too bad my Auntie Susie, my mother’s sister, died in Bracebridge in October.  I bet she never met you and I bet she would have loved to.  She and my Auntie Di were in Ireland at Graigue not too many years ago.  I shall have to see what I can do to put you in touch with Di or her daughter Sherry.  They are in the Hamilton area.  Shortly you will be able to get privileges on this site and we can exchange email addresses.
You really need to get a copy of Father Jim’s genealogy. He worked on it for much of his adult life, and it is a thorough work.  I wonder if Bob still has copies available for sale? 
Linda
Title: Re: BURTCHAELL family of Brandondale, Co. Kilkenny
Post by: RobertMB on Friday 08 February 13 05:42 GMT (UK)
Hi,

I saw a posting from Carolanne about her gr.gr grandfather Peter Burtchaell (born feb 20 1841) who married Maria Gerard.  Peter is the brother to my gr grandmother Mary Jane Burtchell (born in Newark NJ)!  Peter and Mary Jane's father and mother was David and Jane Burtchaell.  David was born 20 Apr 1812 in Ireland.  And David, Jane, and 1 year old Peter came to US in 1842.  They lived in Newark NJ (1850 Census).  It seems that David had maybe 13 brothers and sisters (from what appears to be birth/marriage records copied out of what seems like a Burtchaell family bible, long ago).  All of the names were spelled Burtchaell.  I've never determined from where in Ireland they were from.  I've always speculated it was somewhere near Thomastown in Kilkenny.

Do I have a connection to other people on this board?

Thank you very much,
Bob
Title: Re: BURTCHAELL family of Brandondale, Co. Kilkenny
Post by: geishatattoo on Tuesday 12 February 13 01:17 GMT (UK)
Hi Bob,

 Yes we PROBABLY are distantly related.  I have the extensive history researched by Fr Jim Burtchaell and referred to by Robert Burtchaell in an earlier post in this thread.  I have found David Burtchaell married to Jane Walpole in 1835.  They are listed with six children:  Albert, Edward, Mamie, Anna, Lottie and David. No Peter or Mary Jane but maybe Fr Jim just didn't find them.  Could Mamie be Mary Anne? (There are also a Peter and Mary of the previous generation, born to Sir David Burtchaell and Jane Dames, but they are too old to be yours and Mary died a spinster.) Do you have any additional information that would help me?

Linda
Title: Re: BURTCHAELL family of Brandondale, Co. Kilkenny
Post by: RobertMB on Friday 15 February 13 00:35 GMT (UK)
Hi Linda, my records for David Burtchaell/Jane Walpole match your information.  Here is some additional information.  Can you share your information?

Children of Peter Burtchaell (b circa 1790) and Sarah (Pendegrass?) who were married February 26th 1811.

Marriage (from my Great Grandfather's bible)
Peter Burtchell To Sarah Burtchell (might be Pendegrass) Feb 26th 1811
David Burtchell To Jane Burtchell (could be Jane Walpole) Feb 1835 (note: my Grandfather's middle name was Walpole)
Cathern Burtchell To Feb 1833
Annie Burtchell To Aug 8th 1835

Births (from my Great Grandfather's bible)
David Burtchell Born April 20th 1812
Jane Burtchell  Born Jan 6th 1814
Catherin Burtchell Born June 18th 1816
Annie Burtchell Born March 12th 1818


Burtchaell Records on handwritten paper.  All of the dates are before the Burtchaells arrived US. Must have been copied out of an earlier bible.

Side 1
Peter Burtchaell born July 18 1819
Mary Burtchaell born May 14, 1821.   Married February 16th 1841 (doesn't mention groom)
Eliza Burtchaell born February 1st 1823
William Burtchaell born Feb 8 1825
Robert Burtchaell born November 30th 1827
Michars Burtchaele born December 11th 1829

Side 2
Thomas Burtchaell born March 1, 1830
John Burtchaell born August 1 1831
George Burtchaell Born 12 May 1833
Sara Burtchaell Born May 15 1835
Emilia Burtchaell born September 27 1838
Title: Re: BURTCHAELL family of Brandondale, Co. Kilkenny
Post by: geishatattoo on Friday 15 February 13 02:24 GMT (UK)
I believe I have found your great grandfather on my family history. Unfortunately, I only have this in two forms:  paper and pdf.  I can't figure out how to copy that info into this reply.   Are you new to this site?  Are you able to post private messages yet?  If so, send me a message with your personal email address and I will give you more details. 

Linda
Title: Re: BURTCHAELL family of Brandondale, Co. Kilkenny
Post by: SUSANBLAKE on Sunday 28 April 13 21:34 BST (UK)
Can someone help me fill in the blanks here as I'm only starting out on my mothers side of the tree ::)

G.Mother-- Margaret Keeffe or O'Keeffe married Joseph McCullagh -- Kilkenny
G.Gran Mother _ Mary Coogan (Gowran 1874) married ? Keeffe  or O'Keeffe _ kilkenny -- 3 Children
G.G.Grand Mother _ Margaret Burtchaell married Patrick Coogan -- 4 Child

1. Cant find a record of Margaret and Patrick's marriage
2. Could this Margaret be the daughter of Archdall Burtchaell as I cant find any Information on her.
3. Which (O') Keeffe did Mary Coogan marry and what happened to him as he's not on the census.
Any bit of information would help.
Title: Re: BURTCHAELL family of Brandondale, Co. Kilkenny
Post by: geishatattoo on Sunday 28 April 13 22:38 BST (UK)
Hi Susan,

I see you are writing from the UK, so I assume your part of the Burtchaell family never left Ireland.  Note there is ongoing confusion about Archdall’s marriages.  He appears to have been legally married to a Hannah Gore who was quite a bit older than he, but he came to Canada with a woman named Maria, who her descendants thought was a Gore, but there appears to be no marriage record for them in Ireland or Canada.  So, at this point we don’t know whether Maria was a Gore, a Doyle or a Howitt.

Father Jim Burtchaell, who did the extensive genealogy document from which I take my information, has this note regarding ARCHDALL BURTCHAELL and MARY HOWITT:
 
“The paternity of Margaret B Burtchaell as recorded here is conjectural.  The baptismal register of the Duiske Abbey Church (Catholic) in Graiguenamanah records the baptism of a Margaret B. Burtchaell, born 28/3/1852 to “Archbold” Burtchaell and Mary Howitt.  The father’s given name is quite unusual, and fits ill with all the Murphys and Corcorans and other conventionally Catholic names with which the clan of Catholic Burtchaells in Graig intermarried.  It may well be a confusion for Archdall Burtchaell, son of Augusta Byrn and Patrick Burtchaell.  Archdall was born in November 1824 and would have been 27 at the time of Margaret’s birth.  He was one of those who later emigrated to Canada and did not return.  He is reported as having married a woman named Gore.  This is mentioned because of a longstanding recollection among the Catholic Burtchaells from Graig that one of the Protestant Burtchaells had gotten a local Catholic girl pregnant.

“More about Archdall Burtchaell and Mary Howitt:  Friends:  1851.”

Please keep me abreast of anything more you might learn.

Linda Ford
Title: Re: BURTCHAELL family of Brandondale, Co. Kilkenny
Post by: SUSANBLAKE on Monday 29 April 13 23:03 BST (UK)
Hi Linda, I PM you.
Title: Re: BURTCHAELL family of Brandondale, Co. Kilkenny
Post by: mystrall on Wednesday 30 July 14 13:59 BST (UK)
Hi All

it looks like this thread it from last year or even 2012 but I guess came across it during a web search for info on my Burtchell ancestors.

I am Benjamin B Burtchells 2 times great granddaughter.  I am descended from his son Christopher. From what I have found out..there are two brothers who left Ireland to come here to Ontario and Ben was one of them. I know where he was born in Ireland.  I have yet to find the manifest of the ship he was on to get here.

I do have a bit of info on that side as I am researching the tree on another site.

Any help or information would be very much appreciated! Ty!

Title: Re: BURTCHAELL family of Brandondale, Co. Kilkenny
Post by: geishatattoo on Wednesday 30 July 14 20:35 BST (UK)
Hi Mystrall,

I am descended from Benjamin Burton Burtchaell through his daughter Catherine (Kate), who was Christopher's sister.  I have a lot of history about them, but also do not have the ship's manifest.  I don't think we will ever find it.  It appears, from all I've read, that they came over before ships' captains were legally required to keep passenger manifests.  When I can figure out how this works (RootsChat's format appears to have changed a lot since I was last on this site), I will send you a personal message and we can exchange info.  That will have to be much later today or tomorrow, though.  Right now it is 12:34 in British Columbia (where I am) and I have a full afternoon ahead of me.

Linda (geishatattoo)
Title: Re: BURTCHAELL family of Brandondale, Co. Kilkenny
Post by: mystrall on Wednesday 30 July 14 20:58 BST (UK)
Hi Linda

I would love to exchange info. It is nice to come in contact with a relative. I am in Ontario. I live about 3 hours from were the Burtcheals had their property. My dad is descended through them and he told me things but he never knew tons of info. We use to vacation in that area when I was young and David who was one of Chris's sons inherited the Burtcheal property.  Not sure if the descendants are still there or not. I remember the area fondly and being on the farm. ( I was afraid of the bull that use to stand in the field and stare)  lol

Hope to hear from you again soon!

Danaé
Title: Re: BURTCHAELL family of Brandondale, Co. Kilkenny
Post by: AliasJason Everett on Tuesday 03 March 15 15:02 GMT (UK)
Greetings,

One of the very few advantages of being unemployed is all the spare time. I had a pile of information on my family (families) so decided to organize it on a computerized family tree. Then began expanding on it.

My name is R. Jason Everett, father was Robert E. Everett, grandfather Harry Graham Everett. His mother was Hazel Augusta Heard, daughter of Joseph Heard and Catherine Butchaell (daughter of Benjamin Burton Burtchaell). I have information back to Michaell Burtchaell (1648-1732), mostly secondary sources.

I looked through the posts, some interesting details there (esp. Margaret B.B.). I also see some relatives, and a lot of posts from descendants I haven't tracked (yet).

Thanks & Regards,
R. Jason Everett

Title: Re: BURTCHAELL family of Brandondale, Co. Kilkenny
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 03 March 15 15:32 GMT (UK)
Their whole Pedigree has been done and at National Archives of Ireland, 100's and 100's of people on it incl Tottenhams, Loftus in Wexford, Bryn's in Wicklow and them in Kilkenny....
Title: Re: BURTCHAELL family of Brandondale, Co. Kilkenny
Post by: geishatattoo on Wednesday 04 March 15 07:23 GMT (UK)
Jason:  I am your cousin Linda, your aunt Virginia's daughter.  I tried to send you a personal message on RootsChat, but couldn't.  I haven't been on this site in a long time, but it used to be that you had to post a few times before you could receive personal messages, and this may still be the case.  I don't want to put my email address on an open forum, so I will try to get your address from Heather.  It is true the MOST of the Burtchaell pedigree is available at the National Archives in Ireland.  Father Jim Burtchaell, our distant cousin, published the history of the Burtchaell family about 10 years or so ago.  I have the whole thing and have been working to fill the holes ever since.  I've found a other distant cousins, most in Ontario, so if you are interested in genealogy, I can tell you a lot.  BTW, your aunt Virginia is still going strong at 93.
Title: Re: BURTCHAELL family of Brandondale, Co. Kilkenny
Post by: conahy calling on Sunday 04 November 18 18:44 GMT (UK)
http://digital-archive.kilkenny.ie/items/browse?page=9

Link to a sketchbook by Mary Burtchaell.  Pencil sketches from 1850s  and 1860s.   Includes some of Brandonvale  House.  Click on "page" icon for pdf download.
Title: Re: BURTCHAELL family of Brandondale, Co. Kilkenny
Post by: conahy calling on Thursday 31 October 19 23:32 GMT (UK)
Some Burtchaell references included in this link,  scroll down to Brandondale

http://homepage.eircom.net/~lawekk/HSESB.HTM
Title: Re: BURTCHAELL family of Brandondale, Co. Kilkenny
Post by: sburtchaell on Monday 17 January 22 18:55 GMT (UK)
Todays date is Jan 17, 2022   Hello,  My name is Steven Burtchaell (age 66) from New Orleans. Lousiana.   Nicholas Burtchaell, my great, great grandfather was born in Ireland ,  lived his life, in New Orleans. Louisiana.  He was a River boat pilot in New Orleans.  He owned property in New Orleans that lasted many decades till around 1998 in the family.  Nicholas Burtchaell father was Patrick Burtchaell and mother was Agusta Byrn in Ireland.  According to my father he was estranged from the family for an accident in Ireland. They lost track him on the record.
His history was lost till Fr Jim Burtchaell discovered us in the 1968.  I have all his letters and inquiries that my Aunt Wyona and family made to Ireland Historical Society and Fr. James Burtchaell in the 1960-1988.
Ken Ryall visited us in New Orleans around 2012 to gather details.  I'm interested to get a copy of the Family Tree Father Burtchaell created and Coat of Arms that i knew he had hanging in his room at Notre Dame in the 1970's.  i visited there with him in 1975 and exchanged letters with him till 1988. 

For many years I've tried to connect the dots of our family history. Most of our family records and pictures were destroyed in 2005 when Hurricane Katrina decimated our home with 12' of water. 

It would be great to continue to share details of our shared background.  Thanks. Steve Burtchaell
Title: Re: BURTCHAELL family of Brandondale, Co. Kilkenny
Post by: dathai on Sunday 01 May 22 14:20 BST (UK)
Will's
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01ri8/