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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Ross & Cromarty => Topic started by: rhona2144 on Thursday 20 May 10 12:57 BST (UK)
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Hi , can anyone please help me find information on some people from my family tree .
1/ Johan Gunn born Laid,Gairloch 1876 I know she died 1963 . I would like to try and find out about Johan being at Oban please and the family she stayed and / or worked for . 1901/1902 I think she stayed at Argyle Square Oban with the Robertson family . I would also like to try and find out about Johan at Dornoch 1908 . I have no information atal about Johan being at Dornoch .
2/ Rodina Gunn born laid,Gairloch 1874 I think she died 1932 . I would like to try and find out about Rodina being a visitor at Clecthorpes Farm , Ploughmans House Fodderty . I also would like any information on Clecthorpes Farm please .
3/ Murdo Gunn born Laid ,Gairloch 1885 . The information I have on Murdo is that he died in Africa . I dont know how or why he went to Africa . I had tried the Commonwealth War Graves Commision where there is a Murdo Gunn but everything about him is unknown .
4/ Donald Gunn born Laid,Gairloch 1880 he died 1962 . I think he Queensland Australia .
Any information or ideas where I could look for info would be very much appreciated . I hope this all make sense as this is my first time on Rootchat . Many thanks Rhona
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Hi Rhona :)
Welcome to Rootschat.
Your Johan Gunn was a cook in an hotel in Argyll Street, Oban in 1901
District 523, ED 4 Page 8
John Robertson, 43. pier master , b. Callander
Mary Robertson, 44, hotel keeper, b. Inverness
Mary E Robertson, 19, b. Oban
Margaret Robertson, 12, b. -do-
Christina Robertson, 10, b. -do-
Ewen Robertson, 10, b. -do-
John Robertson, 8, b. -do-
Robert A Robertson, 5,b. -do-
Charles Hermann, 29, hotel waiter, b. Germany
Jessie Grant, 25, barmaid, b. Invergarry
Mary Fraser, 26, housemaid, b. Edinburgh
Margaret A Fraser, 20, nurse (domestic) b. ? Invernessshire
Johann Gunn, 21, cook, b. Aultbea, Rossshire (very close to Laide :) )
Catherine Cameron, 25, laundreymaid, b. Ardnamurchan
Margaret Stoddart, visitor, 42, living on own means, b. North Uist
Gadget
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You're probably aware that she married Murdo Urquhart, an hotel keeper, in Poolewe in 1912 but it's difficult to find out anything between the 1901 census and her marriage.
Where did you find that she was in Dornoch in 1908? There are some rather grand hotels there. Maybe she had a spell as a cook in one of them.
Gadget
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Have you tried inquiring at the Gairloch Heritage Museum:
http://www.gairlochheritagemuseum.org/resources.html
(telephone and e-mail are on the above link)
They seem to have a lot of local information and someone there may know of the family in detail.
Gadget
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Hi Rhona,
Re Rodina & Donald being visitors at "Clecthorpes Farm Ploughmens House" in Fodderty (per 1901 census) -
I have no information for you (at this time), but wanted to let you know that we have this interest in common; I have recently concluded that I am a descendant of the Mackenzie/Mckenzie family (four members listed) that made up the balance of the household in which Donald and Rodina Gunn were listed (yet to be determined is whether your visiting Gunns were friends or relatives of my Mackenzies or just fellow lodgers at the farm - maybe visiting one of the 10 other people listed by the census as occupants of the farm?)
1901 census
Name: Murdo Mckenzie
Age: 84
Estimated birth year: abt 1817
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Gairloch, Rossshire
Registration Number: 65
Registration district: Fodderty
Civil parish: Fodderty
County: Ross and Cromarty
Address: Clecthorpes Farm Ploughmens House
Occupation: General (farm Labourer)
ED: 7
Household schedule number: 29
Line: 1
Roll: CSSCT1901_17
Household Members:
Name Age
Murdo Mckenzie 84
Margaret Mckenzie 60
John Mckenzie 34
Catherine Mckenzie 24
Donald Gunn 19
Rodina Gunn 25
Are you aware of any Gunn-Mackenzie connection?
If I make any headway in my quest, I'll let you know.
Red Zell
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Hi , and thank you very much for the info . I did know Johan married Murdo Urquhart and they had a son Murdo 1913 and sadly Johann`s husband Murdo died 1914 . I have been in contact with Murdo (the son) daughter . But she could not give me the info I'm looking for . Can I ask how you know Argyll Street was a hotel as I have tried to find this out to no avail . I have been to Gairloch heritage museum and got a few books that mention the Gunn family but again not the info I'm looking for . While at Gairloch I met with William MacRobbie who also knew of the Gunn family but not the info I was looking for . I really want to try and find out about Johan Gunn , she had a child Isabella MacDonald Gunn out of wedloch at Dornoch 1908 that she did not bring up Isabella and her family knew nothing about Isabella . My dad was born out of wedloch in Dundee 1934 and hid mum Isabella MacDonald Gunn (from Dornoch) did not bring my dad up . Isabella had I think 3 children to 3 different fathers. Isabella brought up XXXX until he was around 5 then he was put in a home she did not bring up my dad or XXXX. My dad met his brother for the first time last year both in their 70`s and they had no knowledge of each other . XXX can not believe his mother told his nothing of my dad as XXXX kept in contact with his mum Isabella stayed with XXXX until she died 1994 . XXXX had a house fire and lost everything so he has nothing to show of his mum . I hope I haven't went on too much . Once again thanks for the info . Rhona
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The last post I made I would like to thank Gadget for the info . I didnt realise I had to put to who I was talking to . ( Im still learning ) . Thanks Rhona
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Hi Red Zell , and thanks for the info . Rodina + Donald Gunn are Johan Gunn`s brother + sister . I am looking for info of them to put together my family tree . Johan is my great grandmother . I would like to know why Rodina was a visitor to Clecthorpes Farm and why did Donald go to Australia did he have family there . I am on the Gunn side . Johan`s daughter Isabella had my dad . Any info would be appreciated . Johan,Rodina and Donald`s mum and dad were Murdoch Gunn + Isabella Mackenzie who had 9 children that I know of . Isabella Mackenzie`s mum + dad was Roderick + Catherine Mackenzie (same maiden name) Many thanks Rhona
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I dont know if you have this
Laide Cemetery
In loving memory of Isabella MacKenzie beloved wife of Murdo Gunn, Cattle Dealer, Laide who died 17th Feb 1905 aged 58 years. The said Murdo Gunn died 7th Oct 1914 aged 79 years. Their daughters Katie died 20th May 1940, Christina died 16th Aug 1943. Their son William died 11th Sep 1950. Erected by her husband and family.
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Hi Ghostwhisperer and thanks for the info . I do have the info from Laide Cemetery . That is the correct Gunn`s im looking for . Many thanks Rhona
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Hi Rhona
Not sure if you have this info already, but Johan Gunn is buried in Gairloch Old Cemetery. The MI reads:
"Erected by Johan Gunn in loving memory of her husband Murdoch Urquhart died at Hotel, Strachur 18 November 1914 aged 38 years. Said Johan died 19 March 1963 aged 87 years."
I think I've got a photo somewhere of the stone - from memory it's a black stone column - just let me know if you'd like me to look it out for you.
I'm related to Gunns from the Aultbea/Laide/Udrigle area and have a distant connection to Johan Gunn as her great grandfather (Alexander Gunn who died in 1855) is my ggg grandfather.
Best wishes
Lynn
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Hi Chortlegirl and thanks for the info .
I have the info already but thanks for the info anyway . I have a book that has a CD with it with all the pic`s from the cemetry by Anne Roots I think her name is . Johan is my great grandmother and im looking for info on her being at Dornock 1908 and maybe 1 or 2 years before and after 1908 . Once again thanks for the info it`s very much appeciated . Thanks Rhona .
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Hello again Rhona
I've been trying to get something about Johan's stay in Dornoch for you. At the moment, there is just the birth certificate to go on and background information from the 1901 census.
Johan was living at Torboll when she had Isabella. I'm assuming that this was Little Torboll as Torroble/Torboll is at the other end of Strath Fleet in the parish of Lairg. Little Torrboll is half way between Dornoch and Golspie on the River Fleet. I don't see many large houses there at that time - a farm (uninhabited), a gamekeeper's house, a ploughman's house, a shooting lodge, 9 croft houses and 2 gardeners's houses. Johan was a cook, so she may have been working in one of the houses there. The most likely one would be the shooting lodge. Alternatively, she knew someone who lived there and stayed with them while she gave birth to Isabella.
Have you investigated the Mcdonald as Isabella's middle name? It doesn't seem to come from Johan's immediate family (her mother was a MacKenzie) so maybe it came from Isabella's father.
I've checked out the Mcdonalds in Torboll on the 1901. There appears to be only one household with that surname - a Janet Mckay, aged 66, and her nephew John Mcdonald, aged 44, born Dornoch, both living in one of the crofters' houses. John was a labourer. It's difficult to tell who was living in that area in 1907/8. There is nothing in the National Archives of Scotland which covers that period for Torboll. It might be that the 1911 census will reveal something else.
A location map of Torboll can be seen here:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/08qn/
Regards
Gadget
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Hi Gadget and thank you very much for the info . You really know your stuff . I haven't been able to fine anything out about the MacDonald name but you are correct about it not being on the Gunn side . I also think MacDonald is taken from who got Johan pregnant , Isabella`s dad . I`d love to be able to find the info I need as easy as you make it look . Once again thanks for the info and ideas . Many thanks Rhona
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Hi Rhona,
I have just started looking into my family history and i noticed a Johann Gunn is listed as being a visitor at my great grandfathers house on the 1911 census in Ullapool, Parish of Lochbroom. She was aged 26 and her occupation was listed as being a cook. My great grandfather is called William Gunn and i believe Johann was a neice or cousin. William's father was also William Gunn as was his father before him.
Sorry to post on a thread that has gone on so long but i thought this information may be of interest to you.
Regards
Alisdair Gunn
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Hi and thanks for the info . I appreciate any info and you have given me some info that I didnt know . Do you stay at Gairloch ? I went to visit Gairloch 2 years ago and loved it . I wish it wasnt so far away as I stay in edinburgh and only went for 2 nights . I keep wanting to look at my family tree again incase ive missed something and you have made that happen . I didnt know there was a conection in ullapool . Many thanks Rhona
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I am new to Roots Chat but can assist with members of the Gunn family from Laide who emigrated to Queensland, Australia. These are Johan's uncles William and John Gunn and Johan's brother Donald Gunn. Donald passed in Rockhampton, Queensland on 16 May 1962 and was buried in the Laidley Cemetery Queensland by John Gunn's descendants. I have read your messages with great interest. William emigrated in 1855 and John circa 1860-1864 but we do not have details of John's voyage. It appears from his death certificate that Donald emigrated circa 1932.