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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Renfrewshire => Topic started by: Tumerboy on Saturday 22 May 10 16:29 BST (UK)
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Hi guys, I'm new here but have been working on assembling my family tree for a bit. I've got a decent chunk of the US side of things filled out, but I'm not sure how/where to find info about the branches that are still in Scotland.
My great, great grandfather was James Duguid. He had a "Groceries/Provisions" store in Neilston I believe.
Born: April 30, 1852 - Barrhead
Died: May 29, 1925 - Neilston
I believe he was married to Ann McDougall - 1852-1892
He had 5 children to my knowledge:
Janet - 1877-?
Archibald - 1879-1934
Marion - 1882-?
James (Jr.) - 1885-1970 - My great Grandfather
John - 1889-?
Of those, James definitely came and stayed in the US. Archibald seems to have spent a decent amount of time here, I believe his children were born here, but I don't have any specific records putting him here full time.
John according to family legend, was a dentist (and maybe a surgeon), was in the British Army, and was "The dentist to the Queen of England." Though that last bit seems a little overblown to be believable. He definitely seems to have stayed in the UK, and I know nothing of his descendants.
Marion I know little of. I believe she stayed in the UK as well. I think she was around long enough (and made trips to to the US) to see my Dad.
Lastly, Janet I know nothing of. I had actually hadn't even heard mention of her until I started doing my own research.
This is James (Sr.) in front of his store.
(http://o.mfcreative.com/f1/file15/objects/2/9/2/f292ef1f-dcae-419f-8630-6af1f7950378-0.jpg)
And I believe this is Marion in front of the store:
(http://o.mfcreative.com/f1/file13/objects/2/5/5/d25509fe-119b-477e-b201-30afa4ecf240-0.jpg)
Of note in that last pic is the shop next door, marked "D. Mair. Flesher." Doing research it seems Janet married a David Mair, so maybe that's his shop?
Anyway, in summary, I know this is a long shot, but if anyone knows anything about any of the above people, particularly those who remained in Scotland, I would love to hear it.
Also, if anyone is in/from Neilston and has any idea where that corner where James Duguid (Sr.)'s shop was located, I'd love to know that as well.
Thanks
-Nick Duguid.
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Murphyz on Rootsweb found a few things out.
There are 2 entries for James Duguid in the 1912-1913 Directory for Renfrewshire
Duguid, James, grocer and provision merchant,66 Main Street, Neilston - house Annfield Kingston Road (Neilston)
Duguid James, registrar, 66 Main Street, house Annfield Kingston Road
They have also found a marriage between Marion and Alex Mcnair (which is the same as what I had), but had a year listed as 1924. And Marion's death at 1975 (which seems right to me as well.)
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Hi
I have accessed the record of the marriage on Scotlands People, if you send me a pm I will send you over the file.
From Scotlands People: 5th June 1924 at Annfield, Neilston according to the forms of the united free church of Scotland, Alexander McNair, commercial traveller, widower aged 54 to Marion Lamond Duguid, grocer, spinister aged 42.
Alexander's address given as 65 Oakshaw Street, Paisley. Marion's as Annfield Neilston.
Alexander's parents William McNair, commercial traveller deceased and Margaret McNair nee Black.
Marion's parents given as James Duguid, grocer and retired Registrar, Ann Duguid nee MacDougall (deceased).
Witnesses (not 100% sure of the surname) Annie Mair, Craignewsky, Neilston and James Mair, Hollybank, Stewarton.
Does some one know if there were two Craignewsky's - one of the houses on Moorhouse Street in Barrhead used to be called Craignewsky.
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Also from Scotlands People:
25th July 1899 at ? Arms Neilston, David Mair flesher aged 32 marriage to Janet Stirrat Duguid aged 23.
David's address given as 47 Main Street, Neilston. Janet's given as 31 Main Street Neilston.
David's parents William Craig Mair, flesher (deceased) and Elizabeth Mair nee Pollock (deceased).
Janet's parents James Duguid, Grocer and Registrar Ann Duguid nee MacDougall (deceased). Witnesses Wm Mair and Marion Lamond Duguid.
I can't work out how to edit the SP record just to show the word I can't make out!
Thanks Murphyz
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It looks as though some of the family are buried in Neilston cemetery, if you search on findagraveinscotland.com
I will try and go up to the cemetery and see if I can find the stone.
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I have found some of the stones but not all - I will have another look in a couple of weeks.
Neilston Cemetery
At wall (which backs onto lane) close to Zachariah Heys stone;
Erected by Janet Duguid
In loving memory of
Her husband
David Mair
Who died 23rd May 1941
Aged 73 years
The above Janet Duguid
Who died 5th March 1945
Aged 68 years
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Wow Murphyz! I can't believe how much you've helped me. All of the names you mentioned above jive with what I know. So that sounds right.
Thank you so much for finding the grave of David Mair. I have done a few searches on FindAGraveInScotland.com and have found a good number listed in Barrhead. Though on the map it appears to be pretty much directly between Neilston & Barrhead. Is this the same cemetery you're going to?
One question from a stupid American who doesn't understand foreign addresses. You've found several addresses that simply seem to be a "name, town". i.e. "Annfield, Neilston" How does that work? All of the addresses I've ever dealt with have been a number, street, city, etc. Is Annfield a street? Is it the name of something like a boarding house, such that a specific address is not necessary?
Thanks again Murphyz, you've been a tremendous help!
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I seem to have found one headstone in that cemetery that has a bunch of people listed. Unfortunately (even after purchase) the picture is too small and of poor enough quality I can only make out a couple of words.
Not to make you run errands for me, but if you DO make it back out there, keep an eye out for this headstone if you might!
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Oh - I went to Neilston cemetery this morning and I found the grave you purchased but even though I have a good camera I couldn't read the inscription so I have been back up to write it down.
There is still at least one grave I can't find but if you bear with me, I will jot it down the two others I have tonight. I have written down the inscription of the Breckenridge/Duguid stone as it is physically right next to it.
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No problem. Take your time.
Thanks again
-Nick
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For the gravestone which you purchased from findagraveinscotland:-
Neilston Cemetery
Enter by the main gate and is on the right hand side before you reach the small roundabout – it is in the row in front of the Shanks gravestones.
Erected By
Janet Stirrat
In memory of her husband
William Duguid
Who died 3rd January 1882 aged 58 years
Also their son Joseph
Died 23rd September 1868 aged 14 years
And is interred in Neilston Churchyard
Also their grandchildren
William Duguid
Died 31st October 1884 aged 7 years
Ann Duguid
Died 5th November 1884 aged 14 months
The above Janet Stirrat
Died 23rd December 1894 aged 64 years
Their daughter Elizabeth
Who died 14th July 1898 aged 36 years
Also James Duguid
Who died at Annfield, Neilston
29th May 1925 aged 74 years
His wife Ann McDougall
Who died 23rd March 1892
Along the bottom of the stone the following is inscribed:-
The combat’s o’er the prize is won.
Annfield will be the name of the house they lived in - perhaps some one who knows Neilston will know if the house is still there. The cemetery they are in is on google maps as Barrhead, Neilston cemetery (SW-bound). It is the main gate which is shown on the street view.
To give you an idea of where the stone is:
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Not sure if this is a relation but
To the left of the Duguid gravestone there is the following:-
Erected By
Thomas Breckenridge
In loving memory of his wife
Catherine Duguid
Who died 8th August 1938
Also her sister Janet Wright Duguid
Who died 14th Oct 1942
And the above
Thomas Breckenridge
Who died 13th January 1946
Inscribed along the bottom:-
I know that my redeemer liveth
I have still to find the other stone I will try next weekend.
Cheers
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Last one
From Scotlands People marriage 3rd December 1907 at 23 Kelburn Street, Barrhead after banns according to the forms of the plymouth brethern (anyone know what this is??)
Thomas Breckenridge, Fishmonger, Bachelor aged 26 to Catherine Duguid, Provisions Merchant, Spinister aged 36 years.
Thomas's address given as 52 Argyle Road, Saltcoats. Parents Archibald Breckenridge, Box maker (deceased) and Mary Breckenridge nee Bryson (deceased).
Catherine's address 83 Kelburn Street, Barrhead. Parents listed as William Duguid, Joiner (deceased) and Janet Duguid maiden name Stirrat (deceased).
Witnesses Adam Turnbull and Jane W Duguid.
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Fantastic Murphyz, this is amazing. I cannot express my gratitude for doing this work for me. Hopefully one day I'll make it over there to see it myself!
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Not much but from the Barrhead News:-
5 June 1925 - Death Notice
"Duguid - at Annfield, Neilston on 29th May 1925, James Duguid retired grocer, beloved husband of Alice Birtwell."
15 Oct 1942 - Death Notice
"Duguid - at 81 Kelburn Street on 14th October 1942 Jane Wright Duguid, youngest daughter of the late William Duguid."
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I have no idea whether these are relations but I have found two other stones in Neilston cemetery with the name Duguid on them:-
I will need to go back and get photos, please don't purchase them from findagraveinscotland as I don't think you will be able to read one of them - I must have walked passed it 10 times without realising - the weather has not been kind to the stone. For the first stone - Enter by the main gates, turn left at mini roundabout, keep walking straight on at cross roads, stone along on the right hand side. Seconf Stone , enter at main gates and is on right hand side, one row back from where the Shanks stones are.
Erected By
Sarah Breckenridge,
In memory of
Her Beloved Husband,
John Duguid,
who died 2nd July 1933
Aged 71 years
Also the above
Sarah Breckenridge
who died 4th June 1937
Aged 68 years
Also
Mary Florenence Duguid L.D.S.
Their only daughter
who died 11th May 1975
Aged 74 years
Along the bottom
"Till He Come"
Underneath that
"DUGUID"
Other Stone
In loving memory
of
Annie Milloy
died 22nd August 1905
wife of William Paris Duguid
Also their infant son
Edward Milloy
Died 4th February 1897
And
Annabella Morton Gray
His wife
Died 20th July 1929
The above
William Paris Duguid
Died 8th February 1938
in his 82nd Year
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From Scotlands People - there is a death of a Margaret Hutchison, parents William Duguid (deceased) and Janet Stirrat (deceased) in 1946 at 81 Kelburn Street, Barrhead - I think that must be your James's sister.
Looking on familysearch.org I think William Paris Duguid mentioned on the other gravestone message must be a brother of your James.
Also from Scotlands People - a Mary Turnbull, widow of Mathew Turnbull died 1930 aged 71. Parents listed as William Duguid and Janet Stirrat (both deceased).
If anyone has a good knowledge of Barrhead History if they could help - I am sure Mathew Turnbull was some one!
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Thanks Murphyz, aside from the email I sent talking about how I'm unsure how James fits into all of this, the rest of everything you've stated seems correct, and fills in the holes nicely.
I don't know if this link will work, but I've been filling in my ancestry.com tree with the info you've provided:
http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/2737257/family?fpid=611835888
Thanks again.
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Hello again,
I think I have found James in 1861 census on Scotlands People.
From the familysearch.org it looks as though the children of William Duguid and Janet Stirrat are
Mary (1858), Margaret (1865), Elizabeth (1863), William Paris (1856), Joseph (1854), John (1861), Janet (1860), Jane Wright (1872), Catherine (1868) and your James in 1852.
The 1861 census for William and Janet in Main Street Barrhead has William from Carriden in Linlithgowshire, but James is not with the rest of the family.
From Scotlands People, 1861 census for Muirhouses village in the parish of Carriden, has:-
James Duguid, aged 66, shoemaker (master two employees), born Carriden, Linlithgow
Mary Duguid, aged 66, his wife, born Boness, Linthingow
James Duguid, aged 8, scholar, grandson, born Barrhead, Renfrew
John McDonald, boarder, aged 45, shoemaker journeyman, born Stirling, death and dumb from birth.
I am still hoping that some one who knows Neilston will know where the shop was. I am having no luck with the generation you were looking for.
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I have not read it yet but there appears to be references to a shoemaker James Duguid in Muirhouses in Carriden at the following
http://www.archive.org/stream/borrowstounnessd00salmrich/borrowstounnessd00salmrich_djvu.txt
Alas I do not subscribe to ancestry so I am unable to see the family tree.
Do you know if there is a John Paris Duguid in the family tree - also born 1889?
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I see, so elder Duguid (age 66 in the 1861 census) would be the grandfather of MY James Duguid (Age 8 in 1861, born 1852), and presumably the father of William Duguid, Jame's father? I have no knowledge above William Duguid & Janet Stirrat, so that seems plausible. It would also account for James' (1852) absence from the rest of his family during that 1861 census.
As for John Paris Duguid. I have never known a middle name, but "Great Uncle John" as he was called in my family, would be the son of James (1852) and was born in 1889. So that seems to correlate as well.
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Looking again at the couple of shots of the shop that I have, there are small (6" or so?) number placards next to the doors of each of the shops on that street. I can't make out the one next to James' shop, but the "Stationer & Tobacconist" next door is marked "30"
Still doesn't help with what street it's on though.
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This is the last of my Scotlands People credits and I have to admit I am totally confused but here goes:-
From SP:-
2nd September 1930 at Bath Hotel, Glasgow after Banns according to the forms of the Wesleyan Methodist Church:-
William Duguid, Bank Sub Agent, Bachelor aged 41, address 5 Bank Street, Barrhead to
Janet Stirrat Duguid Turnbull, spinister aged 33, address 264 Main Street, Barrhead.
William Duguid's parents listed as William Duguid, Joinery Master and Annie Duguid, nee Milloy (deceased).
Janet Stirrat Duguid Turnbull's parents listed as Mathew Turnbull (? engineer) (deceased) and Mary Turnbull, nee Duguid (deceased).
Service by Cecil Dudley of Wesleyan Church, Barrhead and witnesses William Duguid Hutchison, 5 Kerr Street, Barrhead and Catherine Love Turnbull, 17 Fulbar Road, Glasgow.
I am confused, good luck trying to unravel this.
I think Matthew Turnbull the engineer worked in Shanks, but the micro fiche for the years 1918-1921 Barrhead News are not in Barrhead Library and I think Matthew Turnbull died 1919.
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It does not tell you anything new but Death notices from the Barrhead News:-
Friday 21st March 1930 edition
"Turnbull - At Benview, Main Street, Barrhead on 20 March 1930, Mary Duguid, widow of Matthew Turnbull."
Edition of 11th Fenruary 1938
"Duguid - At 5 Bank Street, Barrhead on 4th February 1938, William Duguid, retired joiner, in his 82nd year." I have written 4th from the BHD News, but I don't know if that is a typo or I have misread the grave stone as the 8th.
20th October 1949 - Death Notice
"Duguid - at Strathallan, 30 Glasgow Road, Uddingston on 15th October 1949, Janet Stirrat Turnbull, beloved wife of William Duguid."
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Neilston Cemetery - go through main gates, turn left at mini round about, walk straight ahead across cross roads, walk down and stone near the end of the section on the right hand side.
In Memory of
Janet Stirrat Duguid Turnbull
Died at Uddingston
15th October 1949
Beloved wife of
William Duguid
The above William Duguid
Died 7th April 1956
Note there is another stone next to this one also for Duguid which has deaths within the last ten years on it, and this stone is not listed on findagraveinscotland so I don't know if I can post a photo of it. It is for a Joseph Duguid and a William Paris Duguid.
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Lastly, in Neilston cemetery - again enter by the main gates and one row back from the boundary wall, stone facing in the direction of the wall, about half way up towards the mini roundabout - there is the following:-
In Memory of
Alice Birtwell
who died 17th February 1942
Aged 89
Widow of
James Duguid
Grocer Neilston
and their son
William
who died 14th March 1897
Aged 1
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Hello All,
Great work Murphyz, on getting all that information, plus the photographs.
Tumerboy, the name Paris, comes from Your James Duguid's, grandmother, she was named Mary Paris, and she married James Duguid, 31/Oct/1825. Carriden, West Lothian, Scotland.
Here is the 1841. census, for Carriden, address Muirhouses.
Duguid James, M. age 45 years, Shoemaker, born West Lothian,
Duguid Mary, F. age 41 years, born West Lothian,
Duguid Elizabeth, F. age 18 years, born West Lothian,
Duguid William, M. age 16 years, Apprentice Joiner, born West Lothian,
Duguid James, M. age 12 years, born West Lothian,
Duguid John, M. age 12 years, born West Lothian,
Duguid David, M. age 7 years, born West Lothian,
Duguid Mary, F, age 1 years, born West Lothian
James Duguid, and Mary Paris, lived at Muirhouses, right up to their deaths, Mary Paris Duguid, died 1870, aged 76 years, and James, died 1886, aged 90 years.
Regards,
Jonn
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I have searched all the fiche of the Barrhead News for 1975 but could see no death notice for Marion.
I did find this:-
Edition 16 May 1975
"Duguid - peacefully at Blair Lodge Nursing Home, Ayr (after a long illness) on Sunday 11th May 1975, Mary Florence Duguid L.D.S, of 23 St Quivox Road, Prestwick, only daughter of the late Mr & Mrs John Duguid, Barrhead, also sister of Norman."
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Hi Jonn,
Fantastic information on the Carriden Duguids - would it be right to assume Paris is an unusual surname?
I also have come across this entry on a Horizon Information Portal site (I think it must be something to do with the libraries in West Lothian?)
Newspaper: MIDLOTHIAN ADVERTISER
Subject: DUGUID, MARY PARIS
Abstract: OBITUARY OF MISS MARY PARIS DUGUID, TEACHER FOR 34 YEARS. SHE WAS ON THE STAFF OF CARRIDEN & GRANGE PUBLIC SCHOOL FOR 18 YEARS OF WHICH SHE ACTED AS INFANT MISTRESS OF GRANGE. SHE RESIDED AT PARKVIEW, BO'NESS.
Date: 02 MAR 1945
Page number: 4
With photograph?: NO.
I would assume some sort of relation?
Cheers
Murphyz
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Definitely the last one! Courtesy from the site Dictionary of Scottish Architects - if you do an architect search for Duguid, it will return several of which I have taken an extract.
http://www.scottisharchitects.org.uk/
John Archibald Duguid Mair was born on 5 november 1912, the son of David Campbell Mair, butcher, and his wife, Janet Stirrat Duguid. He studied at the School of Architecture in Glasgow and was admitted ARIBA in 1950. He gave a Glasgow address in the Kalendar of that year.
He died on 19 March 1987 at his home in Milngavie, survived by his wife Elizabeth Smith Kirkwood and a daughter.
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Hello Murphyz,
The surname Paris, is not rare, there are quite a lot if you put the name in the search engine on Scotlandspeople, home page, again i would not class this name as well known either.
There is also a will for the elder James Duguid, with date 1886. for Muirhouses, at Linlithgow Sherrif Court, on Scotlandspeople, i would have thought this might hold some interesting data.
James Duguid, is living at Muirhouses, on the 1881 census, alone as a widower, also next door again called Muirhouses, is his son John Duguid, with wife and a sizeable family.
Regards,
Jonn.
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Thanks again for all your guy's work. I'm still trying to sort it all out and fit the pieces into my existing puzzle of a tree.
I'm curious if there is some sort of accepted, or standard way to identify multiple people with the same name in a family? I.e. there are at least 4 different James Duguid's, and at lesat as many John's. Normally I do this by using middle names where I can, but even some of those overlap, and many either don't have a middle at all, or I've never known it. Maybe Birth year? i.e. "James Duguid (1852)" as opposed to "James Duguid (1947)" ?
So, I get to this line: "Tumerboy, the name Paris, comes from Your James Duguid's, grandmother, she was named Mary Paris, and she married James Duguid, 31/Oct/1825. Carriden, West Lothian, Scotland."
Does that mean, MY great, great grandfather James Duguid (from the initial post), his grandmother, (i.e. William Duguid's mother? or Janet Stirrat's mother?) was Mary Paris?
Here's that line as I follow it:
Nick Duguid (Me)>James Gregory Duguid (father)>John Leroy Duguid>James Duguid>James Duguid>William Duguid>Mary Paris (?)
Also, can someone help me understand the various place names?
i.e. William Duguid is mentioned in several places as being born in Carriden, Linlithgowshire, or Carriden, West Lothian, or maybe something else?
So, is each within the next, i.e. is Carriden the town (or village, or what have you), Linlithgowshire the county, and West Lothian roughly the state or some such? What is the actual breakdown here, and how should I actually list it in my own records? i.e. Carriden, Linlithgowshire, West Lothian, Scotland ?
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Hi Jonn,
Fantastic information on the Carriden Duguids - would it be right to assume Paris is an unusual surname?
I also have come across this entry on a Horizon Information Portal site (I think it must be something to do with the libraries in West Lothian?)
Newspaper: MIDLOTHIAN ADVERTISER
Subject: DUGUID, MARY PARIS
Abstract: OBITUARY OF MISS MARY PARIS DUGUID, TEACHER FOR 34 YEARS. SHE WAS ON THE STAFF OF CARRIDEN & GRANGE PUBLIC SCHOOL FOR 18 YEARS OF WHICH SHE ACTED AS INFANT MISTRESS OF GRANGE. SHE RESIDED AT PARKVIEW, BO'NESS.
Date: 02 MAR 1945
Page number: 4
With photograph?: NO.
I would assume some sort of relation?
Cheers
Murphyz
Presumably not the Mary Paris that John mentioned. There are several other Mary's in the family line. It's likely not her daughter as she would have been 105 in 1945. William had a daughter (James' (1852) sister) Mary, though I have her death listed as 1930. Though James had 5 or more sibblings, so she could easily be down any of their branches.
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Hello Tumerboy,
This is how your family reads.
James Duguid, married Mary Paris, 16/March/1821. Carriden, West Lothian.
Their Son William Duguid, born 31/Oct/1831. Carriden, West Lothian, Married Janet Stirrat, 28/Jul/1851. Neilston, Renfrewshire.
Their son James Duguid, born 30/April/1852. Neilston, Renfrewshire, Married Ann McDougall, 1875. Greenock, Renfrewshire.
Carriden, is a village in the County of West Lothian.
Linlithgow, is a town, in the County of West Lothian.
The 1841 census i provided earlier on in this topic shows that James Duguid, and Mary Paris, had at least six children, there is a Mary, among those also.
Just to confuse you a little more the John Duguid, aged 9 years on the 1841. census was actually named John Paris Duguid, and he went on to marry Elizabeth Stirrat, 01/Jan/1858. Neilston, Renfrewshire. This Elizabeth Stirrat, i am certain is the sister of his brother William Duguid's, wife Janet Stirrat.
This John Paris Duguid, and his wife Elizabeth Stirrat, then moved back to Carriden, next door to his parents and had a few children.
Regards,
Jonn.
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Thank you very much, that does clear things up a bit.
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I found this on a canadian medical association journal page - the date of death seems to tie with the date of death of Dr William Paris Duguid which was on the photo from Neilston cemetery - which I did not load onto this site as I didn't know if there was a rule about recent deaths. From the gravestone in Neilston he was the son of Joseph Duguid, master joiner and Jean Thomson. I have run out of SP credits to see who Joseph Duguid was.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC80455/
Duguid, William P., Baie-d'Urfe, Que.; University of Glasgow (Scotland), 1950; pathology; FRCPath., FRCPC; former pathologist-in-chief, Montreal General Hospital; professor, McGill University. Died Apr. 5, 2000, aged 72.
I don't know what Baie-d'Urfe means??
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Thanks again guys. You have been incredibly helpful in all of this.
So, as much as I like Ancestry.com for keeping track of a lot of extra information, it's Family Tree view is kind of lame, in that I can't view siblings easily, or get a "big picture"
Thus, I've spent a bit of time in Photoshop assembling my tree from my James Duguid (1852) on down the line.
I've uploaded it here: http://www.tumerboy.com/Duguid%20Family/Duguid%20Family%20Tree%20-%20James%20Duguid%20(Sr.)%20Branch.pdf
It's been very helpful in letting me easily spot holes in information that I'm missing, and get a better sense of my tree as a whole.
I'm going to have to do another for James & siblings backwards. I also need to figure out a good way to denote which people are married in, and which are the direct descendants. Maybe smaller boxes? or offset? I should probably also mark Male vs. Female somehow.
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From the Barrhead News (although it does not tell you anything new)
Edition of 20 September 1956 - Marriage Notice
"DUGUID - FREW - At the Memorial Chapel, University of Glasgow, on 13th September 1956, by Mr James McLachlan, assisted by the Rev David McArthur B.D., Dr William Paris, elder son of Mr & Mrs Joseph Duguid, 5 Bank Street, Barrhead to Jean Tarleton Stevenson, elder daughter of Mr & Mrs Adam Frew, 54 Coltswood Road, Coatbridge."
Edition of 5th September 1957 - Birth Notice
"DUGUID - To Dr & Mrs Wm P Duguid, 3 Kelvin Crescent, Bearsden, on 4th September 1957, a son, both well."
Edition of 12th April 1956 - Death Notice
"DUGUID - At a hospital on 7th April 1956, William Duguid, "Strathallan", 30 Glasgow Road, Uddingston (formerly manager of British Linen Bank, Uddingston), beloved hsuband of the late Janet S Turnbull, and the eldest son of the late William Duguid, Barrhead."
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I came across this death notice, not 100% sure if a connection but thought there might be.
BHN – Edition of 21st May 1942
Deaths – “MAIR – Suddenly on 9th May 1942, William Craig Mair, East Lodge, Helensburgh, only son of the late Mr & Mrs James Pollock Mair, butcher, Neilston.”
Also, I can't photograph it from the fiche but the following advert appears 1915-1916 in Barrhead News.
“William Duguid
Joiner and Funeral Undertaker
Arthurlie Factory
Glen Street
Home – 5 Bank Street”
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Thank you! yes, those are useful and Craig Mair sounds like the family I know.
Thanks again Murphyz!
-Nick
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Hi
The Mair name has intrigued me as that's my granny's maiden name and her name was Annie.
My family have connections with Neilston/Barrhead so i will have to do some more digging as there isn's any immediate link.
My father remembers the Duguids well tho as he lived in Kelburn St as a boy. They'd previously lived in Cogan St where my dad was born - stone's throw from kelburn St.
Will do some digging as if your David Mair is connected have loads can share with you - they were a very prolific family!
Ann :D
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Cool Ann!
The little I know of the Mairs, is that my great grandfather's sister Janet (1877-1945), married David Campbell Mair (~1867-1941). Her father (my G G Grandfather) owned a store in Neilston, and the shope next door, was a "Flesher" (butcher by my understanding), by the name of David Mair. I think David Campbell Mair who married Janet Duguid, was David Mair's (butcher) son. That's the family story anyway. They had something like 15 kids. But I have very little info on, and no contact with anyone from her branch of the tree.
Here are the two pictures I have of the shop: http://o.mfcreative.com/f1/file15/objects/2/9/2/f292ef1f-dcae-419f-8630-6af1f7950378-0.jpg
http://o.mfcreative.com/f1/file13/objects/2/5/5/d25509fe-119b-477e-b201-30afa4ecf240-0.jpg
I still don't know where in Neilston this is/was, but would love to know if you (or your dad) knows. I'd love to hear anything your dad can remember about my family in Scotland.
Thank you so much!
-Nick
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Hi Nick
My dad's not seen your pic yet but next time I'm home (I live 250 miles away) he's promised to have look. I'll be up there in next 3-4 weeks. But he remembers Duguids shop. I think I know where it is. Me and Murphyz I think have worked out between us where it is. I just need my dad to confirm. Helpfully their next door neighbour is a born and bred Neilston boy so he will know for sure.
Now the Mair connection I think need to do more work. from what I remember , and dad (Annie Mair was dad's mum) not a close family. Dad says he doesn't remember her mentioning family in Neilston but that was tempered with 'You know what she was like.....'. My dad was born in Barrhead just down road but he remembers the Duguids well. He said when he served his time as apprentice which would have been late 1940s he did work for them but he said he remembers them from Sunday school to at the Bourock Church in Barrhead (Presby church). He also went to school with some of them. My dad lived in kelburn St after Cogan St. Dad's a plumber and the Duguids were joiners.
Dad was born 1935 so is a bit more recent.
I think your pics are fab btw! I know, I think , where it is on the main street but can't visulialise as it is now so a small visit I think required next time am home with camera.
My dad's paternal grandfather was the station master round the time your folks were there. Our family name is Connolly. The Mairs I thought were all Lanarkshire - they were miners - except my granny and her sisters who were all farm servants hence the Renfrewshire and Ayrshire connections. We're not sure where she met my grandpa but he also was a ploughman and Neilston has played a big part in our history.
I'll get dad to chat to me next time am home and make notes as over phone not so good. He's looking forward to seeing the pics!
I'd love it if could get connection to my Mairs cos huge tree to share on that front. But if we don;t at least we'll get the shop location sorted for you!
:D
Ann
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Thank you so much Ann! While I think they lived in Nielston (Annfield house?), and the family story is that G G Grandpa (James Duguid Sr.) built the house there, he and his kids were all born in Barrhead.
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Hi Nick
Dad remembers Annfield House. Just referring back to Murphyz earlier post re Moorhoead Road. That as it happens next road to where my dad had his business - nice houses - Victorian.
Lol never thought I'd ever sing praises of Barrhead (no offence to anyone who lives there) but tell you what they've been leagues ahead of other parts of Renfrewshire in trying to preserve their heritage - Paisley take note!
Ann :D
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Hi Nick
Ok been home and dad and next door neighbour ( a Neilston boy) both ID'd your pic as Main St Neilston. Sadly fraid buildings not there now. I did a google map search but popped up for a look and all gone - has new houses (Is next door to St Thomas church which is on Google maps).
Am kicking meself cos forgot camera but the google pics are as it is now.
As it happens my wee bro is working up there at mo and he confirmed buildings gone and new houses - he worked in the 'old' buildings in your pic above shop about 20+ years ago and remembered them.
Ann :D
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This is the first time I have used this so please bear with me.
James Duguid who married Marion Knox in 1767 was my husbands great great great great great grandfather. I was just reading Tumerboys posts. One of their sons William married Isobel Brown, their son James married Mary Paris. Their son David married Mary Murray. David and Marys daughter Mary Helen married my husbands Great Grand father Robert Bain. Robert and Mary Helen had 2 sons Robert Duguid Bain and David Duguid Bain. Also Mary had a daughter before she Married Robert, Catherine Anne Lawrie Duguid who died at 5 yrs of age. Both Robert and David were both 2nd Dragoons Royal Scots Greys. Robert, my husband grandfather died inEgypt in 1921 and David was killed around 1200 hrs on 06 Nov 1918France/Flanders. He is mentioned in the war diary. Robert married Florence Gertrude Ashworth and had two children, Robert and Margaret. Margaret was my husband mother. Robert was also Royal Scots Greys and served in WW2. Both are now deceased.
Would love to hear from anyone who can give me more info on the Duguids, especially Mary Helen Duguid and her parents. Mary Helen was norn inPort Elisabeth South Africa in 1865. Her father David was born in 1833 in Carriden, but I cant find a marriage record for him and Mary Murray or any other info on Mary Murray or her parents. Assume they were married in South Africa while he was in the army?
So any help.info, pictures would be most helpful. And anything that goes back beyond James and Marion as well
cheers
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Hi. My name is Graham Duguid. My grandfather was Joseph Duguid and my father was Thomas Stirrat Duguid. My grandfather was from the Duguid's from Stepps. I know that in the above thread that there is a lot of my family tree, but I can't seem to get on to my family that were from Stepps.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Morning Graham.
When you say you cant get on to your family tree from Stepps, can you explain a bit more. Pleas eexcuse my ignorance but i am new to this. Do you have a family tree on this site? or is it somewhere else that yu are having trouble with. I have my tree on another website if you wish to view it let me know
I would love to know more about Mary Helen Duguid and what David Duguid was doing in South Africa. cheers Robyn
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This is a bit of an aside in relation, I think, to John Paris Duguid of Bo'ness.
About 15 years ago, I moved to Edinburgh (where I still live) and shortly afterwards bought a pocket watch from a shop on Cockburn Street.
The watch is an English Lever Pocket Watch. It is marked "JP Duguid" "Bo'ness". The hallmarks on the silver case indicate that it was made in 1883. Muirhouses is a small village just a mile or two to the east of Bo'ness, with a decent climb from the Firth of Forth that I have occasionally gone out of my way to cycle up.
I don't know much about JP Duguid, but it may be pleasant for some of you to read that the watch he made was well used, the silver casing is worn, and that his work was excellent. It still ticks, keeps accurate time and is used 133 years after manufacture.
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Hi
You say:
" John according to family legend, was a dentist (and maybe a surgeon), was in the British Army, and was "The dentist to the Queen of England." Though that last bit seems a little overblown to be believable. He definitely seems to have stayed in the UK, and I know nothing of his descendants."
He was Lt Colonel John Paris Duguid and was an army dentist. Possibly he was titled " honorary dentist to the King" which is typical for senior army medical officers. He married my cousin Irene Olive Dorman . His daughter Patricia lives in USA with her husband and two children and he had a son who is in Australia and one who is in Scotland
William Dorman
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Hi there, just came across post this 7 years too late 🙈 I have lived in Annfield (Kingston road) Neilston since 1998 it is definitely still standing! Just thought I'd reply in the chance that you still need information! Sarah
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I started my study a few years back, when my father made an idle comment about “I wonder where the Duguid family shop was?” Now I have finished just one grandparent’s history. It splits into four sections.
Section One covers the Duguids of Port Glasgow, descended from John Duguid (Dennyloanhead) and Elizabeth Munro (Cluny, Aberdeenshire), from their move to Port Glasgow in 1858 to the present day. Comprises the main report 87pp, a main tree and two subsidiary trees, a location map and a timeline.
John Duguid is my great great grandfather.
Section Two covers Elizabeth’s line, and looks at the Munros of Cluny parish throughout their tenure there. I then go back to look at the Boddies and Boynes of Kemnay parish prior to their move to Cluny parish around 1818. Comprises the main report 82pp, a main tree and a subsidiary tree, and a location map.
Section Three follows on from Section One, and looks at the Duguids of Dennyloanhead. From my point of view, this is from the move from Carriden of James Duguid and Elizabeth Bryce in 1790-96, through their children and grandchildren, including John Duguid who moved to Port Glasgow. But I have also looked at the other descendents from Dennyloanhead, who include about 20% of the Duguids in Glasgow in late Victorian times (look for Proud or Hepburn middle names), and a sizable group of Grimsby/Hull Duguids (first son usually called Andrew). Comprises the main report 78pp, a main tree, and a location map.
Section Four, which I have just completed, follows on from Section Three. It takes me back from James Duguid and Elizabeth Bryce’s marriage and early life, first looking at James’s parents James Duguid and Marion Knox and their family. This is what I call the first Carriden generation. I then go back to the single Abercorn generation of James Duguid and Elizabeth Buchan, who married in Abercorn in 1722. I look at the development of Hopetoun House and grounds in the 1720’s as a pull factor which brought the Duguids, Buchans and Coupers all to Abercorn at this point – a bit like the North Sea bringing workers to Aberdeen. But I then look down the generations for another hundred years after my line “left the room”, and have looked at Bo’ness through to the 1890’s. So on the tree I have mapped the 3rd 4th and 5th Carriden generations too. Loads of Stirrat Duguids and Paris Duguids, with at least two marriages between these pairs of families. Comprises the main report 84pp, a main tree and one subsidiary one, and a location map
Turnerboy, William Duguid’s marriage in 1851 to Janet Stirrat is in the fifth Carriden generation, and James Duguid marrying Ann McDougall in 1875 forms the bottom of my tree.
chuditch1, Mary Helen Duguid who marries Robert Bain in 1889 also forms part of this sixth generation, Her father’s two marriages to Ann Murray and Catherine Doig also appear in generation five.
Happy to share this information with either of you, in abstract or in full (usually vis Dropbox) or with anyone else who may be interested.
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If you have been interested in this thread, I recommend the old postcard book "Old Barrhead and Neilston" by John Hood, published Stenlake. It has a number of good pictures of the mills and printworks that the Duguids worked at. On p2 there is a picture of Neiilston Cross and the commentary "The two storey tenement on the left was demolished in the early 1930's but at the time this photograph was taken the ground floor of the building was occupied by William Morton (draper and outfitter), David Mair (butcher) and James Duguid (grocer and provisiosn merchant). Both the Mair's and the Duguid's were long established family firms which had been in business in Neilston since the late 1800's." As we saw in an earlier post the Mairs and Duguids were linked by marriage.
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Hi. My name is Graham Duguid. My grandfather was Joseph Duguid and my father was Thomas Stirrat Duguid. My grandfather was from the Duguid's from Stepps. I know that in the above thread that there is a lot of my family tree, but I can't seem to get on to my family that were from Stepps.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Hi Graham, did you originally come from Easthouses in Scotland?