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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: pablo1 on Sunday 23 May 10 05:58 BST (UK)
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Looking for info on Alexander McAuley Murphy's parents and sibs. Here is what I know:
1. Alex McAuley Murphy (1791-1876 b. Carrickfergus, Co. Antrim; m. Jane Allen; emigrated to
Montreal, Canada in 1819. Issue,
2. John Murphy, b. 1834; m. 1862 Margaret Gill, dau of James Gill, Esq. of Montreal; they had five daus with at least two of them married.
2. Alexander Murphy m. ? and had,
3. Alexander Gordon S. Murphy (1899-1983) m. Irene Mabel Slater, dau of John C. Slater
2. Christian Murphy m. 1852 George Childs; had 7 sons.
2. Martha Esther Murphy m. 1856 David Soverign Bowlby, M.D., of Berlin, Canada, son of Adam Bowlby and Elizabeth Soverign.
2. Isabella Murphy m. Henry F. J. Jackson
Murphy family opened one of the largest stores in Montreal.
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Alexander had two brothers and one sister. He was the eldest of the family; his siblings are Margaret Lois, born in 1796 and died in Beauharnois, Quebec in 1868. No record of a spouse has ever been found. Captain Samuel Murphy was born in 1800 and died at sea near Quebec city in 1839.
davis Murphy was born in 1810 and died in 1849. John Murphy (my 3rd great-grandfather) was born in 1806 and died in Beauharnois in 1869. In 1842, he married Christian McKenzie (born in 1812 in County Down and died in Beauharnois in 1902) and together had four children: Samuel Alexander (1842-1884), John Murphy (born in 1845; after his wife died and left him with 8 or 9 kids, he fled to the states and left his children behind); Davis Murphy (1848-1921) and Christine aka Christian & Christina Susan. She married Thomas Barrington from Beauharnois, Quebec.
As far as I can tell through Ancestry.ca, no one has been able to trace the family's history prior to its arrival in Montreal. Perhaps you will be able to help. Please visit my family tree at ancestry.ca.
I hope that this is helpful.
Carole Ann Murphy
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Many thanks, Carole, for the additional information. I will do a little research and see if I can find anything. If so, I will definitely make a post and let you know. With very best wishe, Paul
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Thank you for your response, Paul. It is appreciated. Your information is partially correct. In the list of Alexander's children, there was Jane Murphy born 1825 and died in 1892 (no spouse or children); Margaret Murphy, (1822-1825). Alexander Gordon S. Murphy is not Alexander's son. Although his father was also an Alexander McAuley, the mother is not Jane Allen. He was also born after both his parents had died. Alexander Allen Murphy was born in 1832 and died in 1903. His wife, Fanny Gurd was born in 1845 and died in 1932. They had 8 children. Isabella Murphy and Henry Jackson had 8 children. I have met Isabella's descendant (Jane Adair Hamilton) and she has lots of information of that part of the family. I have only found one daughter for John Murphy and Margaret Gill. Of course the biggest piece of the puzzle is the names of Alexander's parents which would be my fourth great-grandparents. Might I ask why your interest in this family? There are so few Murphys who seem to be interested in this particular Murphy clan. Thank you once again for helping me out.
Carole Ann
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Carole,
Thank you for taking the time to respond and correct my errors. I wish that more people would do so. The reason that I am interested may disappoint you, however. In truth, I am bascially a Macaulay researcher who is doing work on the Ardincaple Macaulays who hailed from Dumbarton, Scotland. As such, whenever I find the name of Macaulay (McAuley, et. al), I become interested
and try to follow its line as far back as I can.
I will make a note of the information that you just sent and try make a correction on genforum when I have a wee bit of free time. Thanks again for all of your input...Paul
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This is part of a post that I put on genforum/murphy yesterday
2. Christian Murphy, died 1891; m. 1852 George Childs, died 1895, grocer
3. George Childs, b. abt. 1856
3. Henry Childs, b. abt. 1860
3. Alfred William Childs, b. abt. 1862 m. Harriet C. Taylor, dau of John Taylor.
4. Percy Taylor Childs, b. abt. 1887; m. at Simcoe in 1915 to Ethel Maude Rawson, dau of Charles E. Rawson and Louisa Pender Rawson
4. Beatrice Childs, b. abt. 1892
4. Geraldine Childs, b. abt. 1896
3. Charles Childs, b. abt. 1866
3. Arthur Childs, b. abt. 1870
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Hi Paul,
I've read both of your messages - a bit late as I was on my way to Florida for the winter. I hear the weather is not great your way!
I was disappointed when you told me that your 'true' interest is in the McAulays. I had really hoped to find someone with an interest in the Murphy clan from Carrickfergus and in the McKenzie clan from County Down. Hopefully your research will lead to an understanding of Alexander's second name, and then perhaps lead to information on my 3rd great grandfather.
When I get settled, I will check my ancestry tree for information about the Childs family, and of course, continue my quest for information on my ancestors.
Cheers,
Carole Ann
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Carole Ann,
You are right about the weather, but Osaka has been lucky so far as all
typhoons have missed us so far. Florida sounds nice, so I hope that you will have
a nice warm enjoyable stay there. Escaping from icy weather is never a bad idea unless one is
an avid skiier.
Research is my hobby and I like giving ancestrial trees a shake, so please don't be too disappointed.
If there is some interesting information to be found, perhaps the two of us can unearth it.
Have a nice enjoyable holiday. Always, Paul
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He was my great grandfather. His son Gordon Alexander Murphy was the father to my father John Alexander Murphy. Little known fact is that My grandfather was first cousin of Group Of Seven Canadian artist Alexander Young Jackson (A.Y. Jackson). I am Mary-Anne Murphy and have one brother, Jeffrey Alexander Murphy.
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Dear Mamurphy,
Thank you for your post on this forum. I am very curious as to why your great grandfather had the middle name of McAuley. Do you know if there was a McAuley-Murphy marriage that took place in Co. Antrim before he and his family immigrated to Canada? With best wishes, Paul
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Mamurphy, Thank you for your post. Do you know what year Gordon Alexander Murphy was born? And the name of his wife?
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Mamurphy,
Confusion on my part cleared up. I am looking for information on your great grandfather's grandfather, also Alexander McAuley Murphy born in 1791 and died in Montreal in 1876. Alexander McAuley sr. came to Canada in 1819 with his wife Jane Allen and likely his four siblings, Margaret Lois, Samuel, John and Davis. I am the descendant of John Murphy who married Christian (Christina, Christiane) McKenzie from county Down. What do you know about Alexander McAuley sr.and his siblings? Thank you for your help.
Carole Ann Murphy
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I am married to David Alton Murphy who is John Murphy's first cousin, the second son of John Herbert Murphy. I have read the account of Alexander McAuley Murphy in the document prepared by my father-in-law. In it there are references to Alexander McAuley b. 1791 as having a very strong Scottish accent. Do you have any knowledge of this, or do you think they just mixed up a Northern Irish accent with Scottish? Sonia
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Possibly just the local accent- my OH has a lovely one (when we go to Scotland the locals ask what part of Ayrshire he's from) although his family's been in Ulster over 300 years!
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Sonia,
Thank you for your post. I am looking for information on Alexander McAuley's brothers and sister. Although I know that Alexander arrived in Montreal in 1819, little is known about the arrival date to Canada of his siblings (Samuel, John, Davis and Lois) except for marriage and death records. John is my 3rd great-grandfather; he married Christian (Christiane, Christine) McKenzie in 1842 at Georgetown Presbyterian Church in the province of Quebec. In Canadian census data, all the children identified the Church of Scotland as their religious affiliation, although they identified themselves as Irish. I suspect that the Murphy clan came to Ireland from Scotland, hence the strong accent you mention. Are there other tidbits that you could provide concerning Alexander McAuley which might prove useful to me in my search into the life of John prior to his arrival in Canada. Many thanks.
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The Murphy clan were born in Carrickfergus but the family history I have all concerns Ingrams and Gurds who were also Irish Protestants and married into the Murphy clan once in Canada. Alexander McAuley Murphy, a linen merchant, married a Jane Allen in 1818 two years before they immigrated. However there is no mention of any brothers or sisters of Alexander McAuley. I will keep looking.
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Sonia,
Thank you for your additional information. I am surprised to read that Alexander had no known siblings. I have a copy of the headstone that he erected for his brothers and sister that is located in the Georgetown Presbyterian cemetery (Church of Scotland) in Howick, Quebec (just east of Montreal) . The headstone reads:
“In Memory of
Captain Samuel Murphy who was drowned at Quebec 1839 at 39 years.
Also of Davis Murphy who died November 15, 1849 Aged 39 years
Erected by their brother Alexander Murphy, Merchant of Montreal
Also of Margaret Lois Murphy died September 19,1868 aged 75 years.”
John, my 3rd great-grandfather and other sibling signed the burial certificate for both Davis and Margaret Lois. The certificate for Davis includes a reference to his being a native of Ireland from County of Antrim. He died June 14th, 1869 leaving behind his wife Christian McKenzie, from County Down, (married 1842), his sons Davis and John (my 2nd great-grandfather as well as his daughter Susan Christian.
I will try to send the pic of the tombstone if I can figure out how to do it. Once again, many thanks for your information. A distant cousin who is a direct descendant of Alexander will be delighted that I have connected with her distant cousin! The world is indeed small.
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Sonia,
Please read "John died on June 14th, 1869..." instead of "he died..." The 'he' reference was unclear as it might have pertained to Davis Murphy. Sorry.
Carole Ann
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I have a portrait of Alexander McAuley Murphy, and would be glad to attach a photo of it if any of the clan would like. Let me know. I think I can get one of Jane Allen Murphy some time in the future if there is any interest. Sonia
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Sonia,
Thank you for your offer of a photo of AMM and of Jane Allen M; I have a photo of AMM in his 70s I would reckon. I would also be happy to share this with you. Alas, no pics of Jane AM.
Can you help me out on sending pics through RootsChat. I've not had many 'hits' and so not too familiar with protocols.
Once again, many thanks for your help in deciphering the Irish/Quebec clan.
Carole Ann
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Hi again,
I forgot to ask if you knew who AMM's parents were. The Murphy clan in Canada has been unable to trace their birth records and names of parents. Thank you if you can provide.
Carole Ann
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Here is the pic of the Murphy Headstone erected by Alexander McAuley Murphy in honor of two of his brothers and his sister.
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Here is the photo of Alexander McAuley Murphy in his later years; thanks to the Public Archives of Quebec.
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I have attached a photo of Alexander McAuley Murphy portrait that is hanging in our house. If any one is interested I would be pleased to redo it when the lighting is better. I really appreciate the pics of the headstone and photo of AMcAMurphy.
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Sonia,
Thank you so much for the photo of AMM. He certainly looks like his older version. Do you know how old he was was this photo was taken. Also do you know the names of his parents - all of us in Canada researching AMM clan have not found the parents! A real mystery. If it doesn't trouble you to re-send the pic with better lighting, that would be much appreciated. If not, not to worry.
Are there any other tidbits that you might have with regards to AMM? I realize that there is no record of his siblings, but I have checked historical records in Montreal, and there was only one Alexander Murphy who was a merchant.
Once again, many thanks.
Carole Ann
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Here is a better picture taken outside in the garden. Notice he is hardly grey and his beard is only a little grey, so I would place him more in his late 40's or 50's when this was painted. On the back of the picture was a family note to say he was one of 9 children, no names given. The note also said he was a poor weaver but married a wealthy Jane Allen. Her painting is in storage but I will post it when available.....could be a year from now. Sonia
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The whole painting, Sonia
p.s. I met you when you were one year old at Christmas. You were given a doll and I have never forgotten the joy that doll gave you as a baby. You laughed, squealed, hugged the baby that was only about half your size.
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Thank you for providing a copy of your family painting of AMcAM and the information regarding his family status. Looking for four more siblings will be a daunting task, but I've been at this since 2009; a few more years should be fun.
Your PS saying you had met me at Christmas was a surprise. I guess I wouldn't remember it given that I was only a year old. Do you recall where we were.
I realize that I have asked you this before, but do you know the given name of AMcAM's father and the full name of his mother. None of the clan has this information.
Thank you again for your wonderful input about the Murphy clan.
Carole Ann
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Sonia,
I attach a short sketch of AMcAM that appeared in the 'History and Biographical Gazeteer of Montreal to the year 1892 by John Douglas Borthwick.
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Thanks for the info. I do not know the name of the parents, and it is not included in any of the documents. The family were much more interested in the Ingrams and the Gurds who married the Murphy boys.
The Christmas party was at Gordon and Irene Murphy's house, your grandparents. Herbert, my father-in-law was very close to Gordon. They even went on their honeymoon together! I have always wondered if the girls were consulted. Sonia
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Thank you for the information provided. I was sad to read that no one has knowledge of AMCAM's parents' names that would have given us more information about the children's early life in Carrickfergus. Should you obtain information about his siblings or other information tidbits, I would be grateful if you could provide it.
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So:
David Sovereign Bowlby & Adam Bowlby of Kitchener/Berlin Ontario -- which one had a daughter Emma Allen Bowlby, please? (EAB was my paternal mother's (Olive Boyd's) mum, I think. EAB's husband was Gardiner Boyd, of Bobcaygeon, I think.)
Thanks!
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David Bowlby and Martha Murphy were Emma's parents.
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David Bowlby and Martha Murphy were Emma's parents.
Thanks Cam!
Waterloo U recently had a special exhibit featuring the Bowlby's --> https://uwaterloo.ca/library/special-collections-archives/collections/clement-bowlby-family-fonds
My Dad's Mum -- Mary Olive Boyd -- never much talked about her own parents (Emma Bowlby & Gardiner Boyd) because MOB was orphaned :-(
The only other thing I know about that family branch is a distant relationship to A.Y.Jackson, the Group of 7 painter. Think AYJ was in the AMM family, perhaps you know?
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CGM0001
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Thank you for your response.
Yes, I know about the AYJ connection. The person that I referred you to in my personal email can provide more information.
Have a great day.
CAM
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I don't if this information will tie in or not but here goes:
From Old Families of Carrickfergus and Ballynure by George Rutherford
Loughmorne Presbyterian Graveyard
Erected by John Murphy of Killyglen to the memory of Christian McAuley, his wife, who died
18 Sept. 1834, aged 72. Also, the above John McAuley who departed this life 28 Feb. 1837, aged 77 years.
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I found this
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Thank you for the picture of the tombstone of Alexander McAuley Murphy. I assume that it is the one that was erected in Montreal where he lived from 1819 until his death.
CAM
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Hello again Paul,
So good to hear from you and especially with information that might lead us to the patriarch of the Murphy clan that emigrated to Canada. It is interesting to note that AMcM's wife's name is Christian as was my third great-grandmother (née McKenzie from County Down) married to John, brother of AMcM. Should you obtain additional information, I would be delighted if you would pass it on.
Thank you for your continued interest in the McAuley family.
Carole Ann
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Hello again,
I've just downloaded and enhanced the pic you posted. While I thought at first that it was Alexander McAuley Murphy's tombstone, it is clearly John Murphy and his wife Christian McAuley.
Thank you again for posting this pic and I am sorry that in my haste, I attributed it to AMcM.
Regards.
CAM
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Carole Ann,
I am still interested, so if I should ever find any additional information I will always be happy to
add my two yen's worth. Living in Japan makes for a currency change. And Stevenson, thanks for the photo of the grave. With very best wishes to the two of you, Paul (pablo1)
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Hello again Paul,
I hope that you have been well and still interested in the McAuley clan. I've just heard via a distant Murphy cousin that there will be a McAuley family reunion in Carrickfergus in August and wondered whether you were aware of it.
She will be in Belfast at that time and might attend. I sure would like to!
How is your research going?
Cheers,
Carole Ann
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Hi, Carole Ann. Of course, I am still interested in the McAuleys. I am aware that the clan is going to meet in Carrickfergus, but I will be unable to attend due to work and eye problems. My right eye is very weak and the retina is on the verge of tearing. This has kept me from visiting the U.S. for the past couple of years. It has also slowed down my research quite a bit. However, I am still very much involved with genealogy. If either you or your friend attend, I am sure you will have a great time. With very best wishes from Osaka...Paul
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Paul,
I just want to let you know that the Headstone for John Murphy and Christian McAuley is indeed relevant to my family. We are 99.9% sure that they are our 4th great grandparents. A distant cousin and I hired a local genealogist and unfortunately most historical records for the years in question would have perished in fires! In any case, we are comforted by the fact that we have at least found the parents of the clan that emigrated to Canada.
I trust that you are well and still doing research into the McAuley family.
Cheers.
CAM
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Hi, Carole Ann. The pic that was put on this forum for you, was from Stevenson, so he/she deserves all of the credit. I am still involved with McAuley research. My group of McAuleys came from the area around Larne, Ballyeaston and Ballynure, so I am taking a closer look at those areas. I am glad that the photo of the headstone of John Murphy has helped you in locating your roots. Keep up the good work. With very best wishes, Paul
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Thank you Paul - error corrected. Getting older is the pits! I'm having trouble navigating this website. Is it truly me, or is it just not intuitive?
Cheers, my friend. Stay well.
Carole Ann
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Carole Ann, it is not just you as I have the same problems. I agree that getting older is definitely the pits. We need to recruit some of the younger folk to do some of the hard work for us. With very best wishes from Osaka, Japan, presently the land of the typhoons....Paul
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The below extract relates to the Murphy family of Ballytober which adjoins Killyglen, so they're probably related somewhere along the way...
PRONI D1824/B/1/2/1/17
1837 - James Owens to John Murphy, John Callwell etc - Ballytober
Indenture dated 25th Sep 1837 between James Owens of Holestone on the one part; and John Murphy of Ballytober, farmer John Callwell [Caldwell] of Tobergill, farmer, James Gardner of Belfast, merchant clerk. Said John Callwell and James Gardner are executors of Thomas Murphy late of Larne, gentleman. John McNinch the elder of Kilwaughter and Samuel Richards of Drumain, farmer, executors of James Murphy late of Ballytober. [All of the other part?]
Whereas by release dated 1st Nov 1750 between Nicholas Stewart of Glenarm, gent, since deceased, of the one part, and John Murphy of Ballytober aforesaid since deceased of the other part. Stewart let to Murphy land etc in Ballytober, to hold during the lives of the lessee, and John Murphy second son to said lessee aged about 14, and for and during the life of Thomas Murphy, fifth son of lessee aged about 7.
And whereas by an instrument in writing dated 9th Sep 1758, Stewart for the considerations therein mentioned, inserted the life of Alexander Murphy, third son of said John Murphy, in the place and stead of said John Murphy the lessee who had then lately died.
And whereas by indenture dated 12th Apr 1797 made between William Owens of Tildarg, Esq., and Alexander Holmes and Alexander Carley both of Larne, merchants, as trustees for John Murphy, James Murphy, Robert Murphy and Thomas Murphy, minors, sons of Thomas Murphy then late of Ballytober. Reciting that said William Owens had become possessed of the estate of said Nicholas Stewart; and that the interest of the said John Murphy the lessee in said original indenture had become vested in the said John Murphy, James Murphy, Robert Murphy and Thomas Murphy; and that John Murphy and Thomas Murphy, two of the cestue que vies in the said original indenture were dead; and the said Alexander Holmes and Alexander Carley had nominated the said John Murphy and James Murphy to be added and inserted in the place and stead of the said John Murphy and Thomas Murphy, which William Owens did.
And whereas the rent and reversion became vested in said James Owens party hereto, and whereas said John Murphy party hereto and John Callwell and James Gardner (executors of Thomas Murphy), and said John McNinch and Samuel Richards (executors of James Murphy), respectfully claim to be entitled to the estate and interest of the said John Murphy the original lessee in 1750.
And whereas [in 1837] the said Alexander Murphy the life added in 1758 and James Murphy one of the lives added in 1797 are dead, and the said John Murphy party hereto, one of the lives inserted in 1797 is the only life on which the original indenture depends. And whereas the parties have nominated for James Owens to insert two royal lives, which James Owens agreed to do.
[The rest confirms the lease from James Owens unto the other parties.]
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Gilby, many thanks for the additional information.
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Gilby,
Thank you for posting this information. Yes, I agree that it must relate to the Murphy family of Carrickfergus, although it is difficult to attribute directly to the clan that immigrated to Canada.
CAM
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Hi Cam48,
I'm a direct descendant of John and Christian Murphy. Any new details on where and who were they parents?.
Thanks .
Frank
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Yes, the parents are John Murphy (1760-1837) and Christian McAuley (1762-1834). Nine children were born to them, and five came to Canada in the 1800s.There is a picture of their headstone in a book by George Rutherford, entitled "the Old Families of Carrickfergus & Ballynure".
Of which child of John Murphy and Christian McKenzie are you. My research is quite extensive. You may view my tree at ancestry.ca under caroleannmurphy. I have found the families of the descendants of Davis Murphy (1848-1918) who emigrated to the US in his early 20s and have managed to reconstruct that part of the family.
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Hi Carole Ann,
I'm a descent of Samuel Alexander (1842-1884), John's son.
I'm not on ancestry.ca, is there a way that I can see your findings?
Thanks
Frank
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I’m a descendant of John(1804-1869), brother of Samuel, Davis, and Susan Christina. I can send info on your branch of the tree if I have an email address.