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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Aberdeenshire => Topic started by: LesleyJ on Sunday 27 March 05 13:12 BST (UK)
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Hi I would love to hear from anybody who has a connection with the Greig family in Rathen area who are related to the Norwegian composer Edvard Grieg, John Greig(1702-1774) and Anna/Anne Milne's(1704-1784) son Alexander(1739- 1803)went to Bergen Norway. John Greig and Anna Milne are buried in Rathen cemetry, Aberdeenshire. I still have to find a connection with my family but I am trying to collect information on the Greig family that are connected and to put all the information together and help some people researching this surname, would appreciate any information or if anybody knows where I would find more thanks LesleyJ.
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G'day! Leslie
I have ancestors named Greig whom I believe are connected with Edvard Grieg. I have thought this for sometime but as I am an amateur in this game I had never made the connection. After seeing your request, I did a bit of work last night and I believe that I have made the connection ( not confirmed). John and Anna Grig had a son Alexander 1739 and a son John 1742. John's son Robert(Crimond) 1763 wife Rachel had a daughter Mary Greig(Crimond 1789) who married William Hutchen(1825) my ggg/grandfather. Crimond/Lonmay & Rathen are all very close.
Let me know if you make a connection. The locations and dates fit very well.
Noremac (Australia)
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Hello thankyou for your reply I was wondering do you now who the wife is of John Grig b1742 I know his two brothers went to Norway but it is John I am interested in. Do you have any more information, I live very near Rathen and can look up local records for you, I have got my Greig family back as far as late 1700 early 1800. I can give you what information I have all the best LesleyJ
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Lesley,
I am not sure but I have found a marriage of a John Grig to Elspet Scott (1761 at Monquitter) the date would be about right.
I certainly would be interested in any help I could get. Most of my folks were from around, Peterhead, Cruden Bay, Crimond, Rathen, Inverallochy. If you check Tribalpages.com under noremac you will see the names etc. I emigrated from Nairn 1964, born Aberdeen
Cheers Don
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Hello, I am a Greig. My aunt knows the connection between my family and Edvard. I will try to gather it and get it to you. I am in the US, not the uk as you seem to be. I would also like to know the information you have so that I may find out if we are some how connected. I have been trying to look into the Greig history for a while now and get it all recorded. Thank you
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BrianG
My connections with Edvard grieg are as follows:
John Grig (1702) married Anne Milne (1704) they had at least two sons Alexander 1739 (Emigrated to Norway) and John Grig (1742) had a son Robert Greig (1763) married Rachel Davidson
had a daughter Mary Greig (1789) married William Hutchen had a son James Hutcheon (1825) married Janet Keith (1825)
had a son James Hutchison (1861) married Annie Gibb Johnstone had a son Andrew Johnstone Hutchison 1887 (My grandfather on the maternal side) Nearly all these births and marriage took place in and around Crimond, Aberdeenshire.
let me state that I have not sighted official records for all of this
but todate it seems to fit! I will only claim it when I have checked it all out as best I can.
Noremac from Australia
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This site might be of some interest - look for Connected Names -
http://www.cardnogenealogy.com/
K/
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hello my name is taylor greig reid is my dads mums brother. he is related to edvard grieg. and i was wondering if u could possibly send me any iformation u have on edvards family tree, leading down my way. thankyou
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My connections with Edvard grieg are as follows:
John Grig (1702) married Anne Milne (1704) they had at least two sons Alexander (22/07/)1739 Cairnbulg, Fraserburgh (Emigrated to Norway) d 13/11/1803, Bergen, Norway and John Grig (1742) (James Gri(e)g b 12/03/1751, Cairnbulg, Fraserburgh, d 08/10/1811 Bergen, Norway.)
had a son Robert Greig (1763) married Rachel Davidson
had a daughter Mary Greig (1789) married William Hutchen had a son James Hutcheon (1825) married Janet Keith (1825)
had a son James Hutchison (1861) married Annie Gibb Johnstone had a son Andrew Johnstone Hutchison 1887 (My grandfather on the maternal side) Nearly all these births and marriage took place in and around Crimond, Aberdeenshire.
let me state that I have not sighted official records for all of this
but todate it seems to fit! I will only claim it when I have checked it all out as best I can.
Noremac from Australia
I have added a couple of bits in (Blue)
I will have a further look and post more as I find it.
Regards
Malky.
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John Grig b (12/09/(1702)) Cairnbulg, Fraserburgh, d 06/01/1774, Cairnbulg, Fraserburgh, married Anne Milne b (1704) Cairnbulg, Fraserburgh, d 17/03/1784 at Cairnbulg, Fraserburgh.
Robert Greig (1763) who married Rachel Davidson 05/07/1787 at Crimond, Aberdeenshire
Regards
Malky
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"had a daughter Mary Greig (1789) married William Hutchen had a son James Hutcheon (1825) married Janet Keith (1825)
had a son James Hutchison (1861) married Annie Gibb Johnstone had a son Andrew Johnstone Hutchison 1887 (My grandfather on the maternal side) Nearly all these births and marriage took place in and around Crimond, Aberdeenshire."
Noremac from Australia, going through your post bit by bit, I notice that the surname spellings have changed, "as marked in "Red"" This is kind of throwing off the traceability of these individuals and just shows the differences in spelling, depending who the registrar was at the time, and how the names were pronounced by those who reported the occasion to the registrar. It is a classic example of using "variants" to find the actual individuals.
14/02/1884 James Hutchison married Annie Gibb Johnston at Peterhead. His father was James Hutchison, his mother was Janet Keith. Her father was Alexander Johnston and her mother was Elizabeth Mutch. (As per marriage certificate.)
30/05/1857 James Hutchen married Janet Keith at the Manse of Crimond, his father was William Hutchen and his mother was Mary Greig, her father was George Keith and her mother was Mary Milne. (As per marriage cert')
This is a good exercise in "digging".
Regards
Malky
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Some background information on the Greig (Grig, Grige, Grieg) families in Rathen.
John Greig & Ann Milne the ancestors of Edvard Grieg were Episcopalians. The marriage of John to Anna "Mill" 14 Nov 1727 is in the Lonmay Episcopalian records, as are the baptisms of their children (no mother named).
The same baptismal records in the Rathen OPR, the Church of Scotland record, are all entered at a later date on one page under the marginal heading "Children of John Grige". The mother is only named for the first child Jean 27 Sep 1728. Unfortunately this baptism on Scotlandpeople and on IGI is to "George" Grige and Ann Miln. This is wrong - the same baptism date is on the the Episcopal record for an un-named child to John Grig. On the OPR baptisms John is consistently at Mosside of Cairnbulg and James Grige in Cairnbulg is always named as a witness.
So, the children of John Greig & Ann Milne in Mosside of Cairnbulg, Rathern were: Jean 27 Sep 1728; Elizabeth 19 Oct 1730; Mary 4 May 1733; Isabel 22 Jul 1735; John 19 Mar 1738; Alexander 19 Jul 1739; Christian 12 Oct 1741; Margaret 8 Nov 1743; James 28 Mar 1745; John 26 Mar 1748.
The previous generation at Mosside has James Gr(e)ig recording baptisms for Alexander 13 Dec 1714; Andrew 4 May 1717; Christian 24 May 1722; Margaret 27 Feb 1725. For the last named, James is recently deceased and his son John is named as sponsor for the child. Baptismal witnesses for James' children were George Hay & Peter Davidson in Mosside, Robert Davidson & William Warrender, George Hay & Andrew Grig in Cairnbulg for the last two.
Assuming that John Greig husband of Ann Milne is the son of James Greig in Mosside, it looks like he has a brother James who has children 1748-58 at Hillhead of Cairnbulg, gravestone in Rathen kirkyard d 30 Aug 1771 age 63, wife Marjery Carle.
The 1696 Poll Book for Rathen has:
James Grig & his mother in Rathen - 12sh
Lord Fraser's tenants Alexander Grig 15sh; James Grig 11sh; Alexander Grig, wife son & daughter 18sh; Michael Grig subtenant & wife 12sh; Andrew Grig subtenant , wife son & daughter £1:4sh
James Grig whitefisher in Inverallochy & wife 18sh.
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Gavin Greig (1856-1914), the well-known collector of the folk songs of north-east Scotland, is said to have been related on his father's side to Edvard Grieg and on his mother's side to Robert Burns.
Does anyone know what his connection with Edvard Grieg is?
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There is a family tree here, which may contradict some of the chain of thought, as to who were, and were not related.
http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=no&u=http://www.geni.com/people/Edvard-Grieg/6000000004533589338&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dedvard%2Bgrieg%2Bfamily%2Btree%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D548%26prmd%3Dimvnso&sa=X&ei=p7T5T-CWNsnj8AO5v9yIBw&ved=0CFsQ7gEwAQ
Regards
Malky
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i have greig in my family tree but havent got that far back as of yet so i dont know of any connection with edvard greig if any but i have a jessie greig b 1880 d1956 married samuel mcrobbie b 1880 d 1961 her parents was william greig and jessie stewart sangster but that is all i have so far :(
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Gavin Greig (1856-1914), the well-known collector of the folk songs of north-east Scotland, is said to have been related on his father's side to Edvard Grieg and on his mother's side to Robert Burns.
Does anyone know what his connection with Edvard Grieg is?
Not quite - but I know that Gavin's father was also Gavin Greig, 1822-1881. The Episcopal Records, Lonmay, say "12 Feb 1822 to James Greig in Waltry, Strichen, a son Gavin". Son Gavin certainly gives Strichen as his place of birth in 1861 and 1871. Father Gavin's 1881 death cert says that his father was James Greig and his mother was Ann Walker, and I can find a possible census entry in 1841 for them, in which James is a publican in Mintlaw, Longside. At that point, they have 3 children with them, Jane, Charles and Christian of about the right age for children born to James Greig in the Episcopal records of Lonmay.
Our main Greig line tracks back to Rathen ( and links with Edvard Grieg's line) but I also have another branch from Strichen which I am trying to connect to the Rathen lot. My Strichen line lived in New Leeds, which is pretty close to Waltry -so if you do find a definite connection between Edvard and Gavin, I'd be very interested as that might offer me a new avenue to explore.
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We've nothing to do with the Greig composer.
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Hi, I am just new here so forgive any mistakes that I might make. I found this site purely by accident while looking for my own family info and found it riveting. I wanted to say that Gavin Greig (1856-1914) is my great grandfather, one of his daughters Annabelle is my fathers mother. It is true that he is related to Edvard Grieg and Robert Burns, I wish that I could find all the info that my late aunt/genealogist prepared for us years ago, she prepared a nice family tree/chart. I will try to post a couple of the pics that I have at hand, it may spark a conversation??
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Hi everyone its been a while since I first put this post up in my old email address as LesleyJ, I am now registered as Scottish wifie on rootschat.
I have just renewed my research into the Greig family after sorting out all of my family history records (lots of paper). I am trying to sort through mountains of paperwork. The library in Fraserburgh has books complied by a genealogist for Rathen and Lonmay Episcopalian church records, some of the years are missing, which is probably why everybody is having a hard time finding records to make the connection.
I wonder what happen to the records was it because of the Jacobite uprising, I read somewhere that the Episcopalians supported the Jacobites around this time and faced presecution because of it.
The University of Aberdeen Library Special Collections in Aberdeen has the book written by John Russell Greig called "Grieg and his Scottish Ancestry" written in 1952, I am hoping to be able to go to Aberdeen and view this book sometime in the very near future and if I gleam anymore information from it I will pass it on to those interested here, the furthest back I have got with my Greig's are James Greig b 1768 and died 1860 in New Leeds, his parents are John Greig and Elizabeth Scott, there descendants lived at Stonedykes near Corsekellie, that isn't that far down the road from Mosstown of Cairnbulg. Also some were born in Strichen as well. I live about a mile and a half from Rathen, will need to have another look around the cemetery and take some photos of more headstones, thanks everyone for the information shared, my brother in law Martin said his mums side has a connection with Edvard Grieg I have traced his side back to Alexander Greig married to Margaret Fraser. I am also interested in finding out about a Christie that supposedly went with Alexander Greig over to Bergen in 1770's, I have Christie's from Fraserburgh in my family
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I visited Grieg's house on a family holiday when I was about 8, I wish I could go back and get some more information, If I find anything new I will let you know all the best Lesley
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Sorry, but surely the Grieg lineage in Norway starts with the marriage of Alexander Greig to Margarethe Elisabeth Heitman at Nykirken, Bergen 7 Mar 1771 after which they had 4 children (including John the grandfather of Edvard) until Margarethe's death in 1782. Alexander then had a child with Modesta Susemehl Heitman in Bergen in 1787. Since the marriage of Alexr. Greig to Margaret Fraser took place at Lonmay (Church of Scotland records) in November 1788 then they can't be the ancestors of Edvard Grieg.
You are absolutely right to point to the Episcopal records of Lonmay as a source - the chapel there catered to a wider area than the Ch of Scotland parish of Lonmay. The Episcopalians were under considerable pressure after the Jacobite rebellions of 1715 & '45 due to their association with the rebel cause and you do see some records of baptism occurring in both sets of records. The 1696 poll tax records for Aberdeenshire are also useful.
Regarding John Greig & Elizabeth Scott, their son William died 26 Jan 1855 at Stuartfield, Old Deer, the widower of Elizabeth Martin.
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Hi Stuart P, thank you very much for your reply, yes I agree Edvard Grieg's direct lineage is in Norway but I am also interested in the Scottish side of the family that stayed in Scotland.
I am trying to verify stories that were passed down the generations to present day, saying there was a connection and trying to prove it either way.
As a great admirer of Grieg's music, visiting his house when I was little and living only a few miles away from where his Scottish ancestors came from and having Greig's in my family has kindled my interest in his family.
Even if I am not related I am still very interested in finding out more. Have you read the book by John Russel Greig, is it worth a trek to Aberdeen to go and read it at the University library? Thanks for the Norwegian information, I do have this already(on lots of bits of paper). Are you related to Greig with your family all the best Lesley
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Hi Lesley
The Greig ancestry belongs to my wife rather than myself. As you probably know there are many family trees published on-line which are demonstrably wrong, so when I worked out my version it was using the OPR records, the Episcopalian records, gravestones, the 1696 poll tax, censuses and post- 1855 certificates.
James Greig b.bef 1687 d. bet 1724-5 Mosside Cairnbulg, Rathen. Spouse unknown.
John Greig b. 1703 Rathen, sponsor at the the baptism of his sister Margaret at Mosside Cairnbulg, his father being recently deceased. Married Ann Milne 14 Nov 1727 (Episcopal Lonmay) and died 6 Jan 1774 (Gravestone at Rathen).
Alexander Greig bpt. 19th (Rathen) & 22nd (Episc) July 1739 b.Mosside Cairnbulg became the British Consul in Bergen. Married Margarethe Elisabeth Heitman.
My wife' line starts: James Greig b.bef 1687, as above
James Greig b.ca.1708 Rathen, d. 30 Aug 1771 Hillhead of Cairnbulg, married Marjery Carle d.29 Mar 1788 (Gravestone at Rathen).
Other known children of the first James Greig, all born at Mosside Cairnbulg, Rathen are:
Alexander 13 Dec 1714, Andrew 4 May 1717, Christian 24 May 1722, Margaret 27 Feb 1725. Andrew Greig in Cairnbulg appears as a baptismal witness for the last two.
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This is great thank you very much for sharing this information, I have been looking at Edvard Grieg's mums side on the internet as well, another possible Scottish connection with Andrew Davidson Christie from Montrose area born 1620 who moved to Bergen,Norway, will need to double check with records to see if this is right. I noticed while looking through the catalogue for the University of Aberdeen Library special collections that they have the Episcopalian records for Strichen, might help with some research, all the best Lesley
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Hi Stuart P, I was looking at the MI index for Rathen on the ANESFHS website I noticed on the stone 19 that mentions James Greig and Margery Carle further down it mentions an Alexander Greig died 16th June 1866 I have his death certificate he died age 75 and his parents are Alexander Greig and Margaret Fraser. I will need to go and visit Rathen Kirkyard or look at the MI book in the library and find more info maybe my brother in law Martins family are connected with you wifes family. This Alexander Greig who died in 1866 married Isabella Meldrum all the best Lesley
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My ancestor was William Greig, tenant farmer in New Caik (Keak or Cavoch), Tyrie parish, Aberdeenshire, who married Margaret Legg at Strichen 24 Aug 1732. Of his seven daughters, the first three were baptised in Monquhitter: Anna 1735, Mary 1738, and Elizabeth 1740. The other four were all baptised in Tyrie: Isabel 1742, another Isabel 1743, Margaret 1743, and another Elizabeth 1749.
William Greig is supposed, from family tradition, to have been factor to the Fraser family of Strichen but I have found no evidence to support this. His second daughter Mary married in 1763 John Adamson who definitely was the Frasers’ factor between 1778 and 1801.
Does anyone on the forum know anything about this family? We also have a vague tradition of a relationship to Grieg the composer.
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Interesting piece in Scotlandspeople referencing http://blog.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/2013/09/03/the-death-of-edvard-grieg-4-september-1907-and-a-summary-of-his-scottish-ancestry/ about Grieg's Fraserburgh roots
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Hello Wilkie Canada.
Can you provide any information on Alice Greg? Robert Thomson was my wife's great uncle. We did not know he had a family until we found his WW1 record. He died on Feb 1918 after going back to Italy.
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Sorry, I have not viewed this Forum for ages. The sad thing is that I have misplaced a lot of my information during a house move but I will be looking for it again and hopefully find it?
This might have no interest to anyone but me but I came across this Gavin Greig story in an old book I did find in my collection, just one page from the book "Mine Honourable Friends"
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Good Afternoon all!
Not sure if anyone is interested, but I will share anyway, just in case. My mother was. Webster. Her grandfather was James A. webster. He married Elizabeth Greig in Stritchen on Nov 20, 1861. Her mother was Christain Scott and her father was Alexander Greig. They lived in Robbie's Cottage in Aberdeen. Their first child, Mary, died at 4 years old of diphtheria. Somewhere I have a cabinet photo of them as older adults. I have no idea about any of her siblings. My great grandfather and his brother, Alexander Webster immigrated to New York City in about 1887.
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Gavin Greig the folksong collector was aware of his connection to the composer Edvard Grieg, and when Grieg came to Edinburgh to give a concert, as part of a British tour, Gavin is supposed to have come down to Edinburgh to introduce himself. But at the end of the concert, he was overcome with shyness and went home without meeting the great man.
Harry
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I'm late to this thread and a new member. My great grandmother Isabella Greig, who married John Noble, was the granddaughter of Alexander Greig d. 1806 & Margaret Fraser ie . the Greigs in Hillhead of Carnbulg, which was close to the farm at Mosstoun which I believe the forebears of Edvard Grieg occupied.
I would be interested to hear from anyone with more information about common relationships between these families.
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My great great grandmother was Elizabeth Greig. She was born in Old Deer. Her father was Alexander Greig and her mother was Christian Scott.
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Hello PeggyAnn
Looks like 'my' Greigs are same line as StuartP's wife (see reply 21, 2014). As the first known Greig in that line had other sons as listed in that post, we could be cousins perhaps.
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We very well could be. My Alexander Greig’s father was James Greig. His mother was either Jean Simpson or Jean Scott. They were also form Old Deer.