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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Anglesey => Topic started by: Huwcyn on Monday 31 May 10 22:30 BST (UK)
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I can find a family called Owen at the above farm (not far from Beaumaris , I think ) in 1841, but no trace of the family , farm (or indeed village) in any census thereafter . There would seem to be two different families , and at least three generations there in 1841 ( 4 different Ellen Owens ! ) .
I think the place might also be called ' Llwyncogau / Bryn Cogl , or variations of.
Can anyone help me with this , please ?
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Hello
Just to make sure we have the right village, there are 2 places (at least) called Llaniestyn - one in Anglesey and 1 in Caernarfonshire
In 1881 there is a 5.5 acres smallholding farm called Llwyn y Gogau in Caernarfonshire. Hugh Williams age 57 lived there.
Can you post the 1841 family details please?
Best Wishes
Morgan
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Perhaps I should have posted it as a lookup . The place is near Beaumaris, as that's the sub-district given. I'd never heard of the Anglesey Llaniestyn, I must admit.
The transcription I've got for 1841 says ' Beryny Gogal ' .
The habitants are : Evan Owen ( 75 ) b Anglesey
Ellen Owen (80) born elsewhere (I know this is Llanddeiniolen)
John Owen ( 50) b Anglesey
Ellen Owen (35) b Anglesey
William Owen (35) b Anglesey
Ellen Owen (20) b Anglesey
Margaret Owen (5) B Anglesey
Hugh Parry (15) b Anglesey
Owen Rowlant (45) born elsewhere ( Nephew of the eldest Ellen Owen)
William Owen ( 25) b Anglesey
Ellen Owen (15) b Anglesey
Elizabeth Oliver (15) born elsewhere .
I'm sure the enumerator was glad he didn't have to write down the relationships in 1841 !
I'm guessing the older two would have passed on by 1851 .
HO 107 p 1364
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I think the farm is called Bryn Cogail, which is on the road to Llanddona. The Grid Reference is SH5878
and there's a picture on Geograph site:
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/938395
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The farm is in the Ordinance Survey map Anglesey 114 grid 59 and 78
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Thank you all very much. I remember my parents going there 30 odd years ago, but I always assumed that the area was Llanddona rather than another parish. I looked up 'Ancestry' for 1881 and found some other pieces of the jigsaw - I suspect the farm passed on to a son-in-law rather than a son.
I've got ' Find my past ' censuses up to 1901, but strangely enough, nothing comes up, even for 1881 .
I'm not sure that the parish is recognised . Do different websites use different transcriptions ?
I spent Monday at Penmon and Beaumaris , not far from Llaniestyn. Alas , fine weather and children ruled out any research !
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Interested to know if you have connections with a Sara or Sarah Owen from same area possibly - part of my tree - haven't found her on any census so far but keep looking
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I think the spelling of the parishes is a problem for some websites. I'm related to the eldest Ellen Owen at Bryn Cogol (1841) . I know a sister married a Thomas Owen at Llanddona (not too far away ) .
Gwynedd Family History Society have MI's for both Llanddona and Llaniestyn ( I know the Llaniestyn one is on microfiche at the national library in Aberystwyth)
http://chtg.gwis.co.uk/
Do you have any further information on this lady ?
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Hello Huw,
Try a search for "Bryn Cogail" on National Archives site. I found 3 occurences including:
Mortgage of a freehold farm and lands known as Bryn Cogail. Llaniestyn, for securing £1,500 in 1923, naming an Evan Owen.
and try "Bryncogail" on National Archives, found 1 item: a Memorandum of Recognizance WQ/S/1866/E/90 1866 July 28 mentions an Ellin wife of William Jones.
Also see these old photographs from Llaniestyn on French site:
http://www.djibnet.com/photo/llaniestyn/
one is of an old grave of John Owen, Rhos Francis, Llaniestyn Parish died 1898 age 70.
Best Wishes
Morgan
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There's a photo there of a chap called John Owen, from Bryn Cogail.
He must be related in some way ! .
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Thank you for the link. What is the site ?
It seems strange to have pictures of rural Wales on something French !
One of the contributors mentions that she is related to the Bryn Cogol/Cogail family.
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Huw,
Did you look at the National Archives links? One of them suggested that Ellin Owens married William Jones and remained at Bryn Cogail after her marriage until at least 1866.
Thank you for the link. What is the site ?
Not sure what the site is but you can send an email from the site, and they have a facebook page for Llaniestyn but much on there yet.
Another link in case you haven't seen it:
http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/relationships.jsp?u_id=12796936
Morgan
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Thank you very much indeed for your help. The site with the photos has given me a link, as , by sheer coincidence , I recognized one of the people shown, and he lives not far from me . It shows obscure French sites can help one with Welsh ancestry !
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that's great news :D
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Bryn Cogail
Llaniestyn
Beaumaris
1901 census
Evan Owen Head 42 Farmer
William Hughes Servant 24
Margaret hughes Sister 29 Housekeeper
Ellen hughes niece 1 month
Evan Owen
Ellen Owen
Margaret illeg of Ellen Owen & Owen Price
Evan Owen illeg of Margaret Owen & William Evans
Margaret (Ellis) ? illeg. spinster married John Davies of the large Llanddona Davies family.
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Hi. Not sure if you are still looking for info re Bryn Cogail? The Ellen Hughes on 1901 census was my grandmother. My cousin and his family now own the farm. It is situated near Llanddona on Anglesey. Hope this helps.
Julie
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Thank you for your message. The lady you mention would be my grandfather's third cousin, I think. Strangely enough, my mother was wondering a week ago whether the place was still farmed by relatives. (She'd been talking to the wife of someone with connections to the neighbouring farm, and said that she'd visited the farm and found relatives in the 70s) . The original connection is that a lady called Ellen Owen went there in the late 18th century from Penisarwaen.