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Title: Bibby's - Hawkers - Essex - 1850-1900'S
Post by: exessexgirl on Monday 28 March 05 05:57 BST (UK)
Any information on the name Bibby that applies to travellers/gypsies would be most appreciated. Grandfather born 1907 Maldon Essex, before that it's a blur ??? thanks...Lyn
Title: Re: BIBBY - TRAVELLERS - WALTHAMSTOW/ESSEX. 1850-1900'S
Post by: poly1963 on Tuesday 23 August 05 21:36 BST (UK)
A lot of Bibby's settled in and around Eastwood/Rochford in Essex. Many are buried at St Laurence's Church Eastwoodbury Lane at the end of the airport runway and their graves are regularly attended and must assume that family still live locally. My g grandfather - Jack Livermore married in Malden and left the pea picking field to get married and go back to work. He too went to Eastwood. Many lived in vans there until compulsory purchase orders were brought. Most lived on the Bohemian Estate, which when built on a lot moved into, including Bohenian Way and Belgrave Road.

 ;)
Title: Re: BIBBY - TRAVELLERS - WALTHAMSTOW/ESSEX. 1850-1900'S
Post by: exessexgirl on Wednesday 24 August 05 12:36 BST (UK)
Hello Poly1963. I know the area very well as I am originally from Rochford. Both sets of my grandparents are buried at Eastwood Church, and many others of the family. You are right, there are relatives still tending the graves. I am trying to find the birth of my Gt Grandfather, Henry Bibby. Trouble is, I am finding it difficult trace him  before arriving at Rochford. I have found most of his children, and they moved down from the Epping area to Rochford. thank's for replying.  :) Lyn
Title: Re: BIBBY - TRAVELLERS - WALTHAMSTOW/ESSEX. 1850-1900'S
Post by: poly1963 on Wednesday 24 August 05 16:21 BST (UK)
Hi Lyn

I have found a Henry Bibby born in Chelmsford born in 1840 with I presume his partner and the children were all born in Epping.

See below.

Household:

 Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
 Henry BIBBY Head U Male 40 Chelmsford, Essex, England Hawker
 Harriet WRIGHT Other U Female 55 Saffron Walden, Essex, England Hawker
 Joseph WRIGHT Son Male 12 Stanstead, Essex, England
 Mary A. WRIGHT Daur Female 7 Stanstead, Essex, England
 James WRIGHT Son Male 4 Epping, Essex, England
 Alfred WRIGHT Son Male 4 Epping, Essex, England
 Grace WRIGHT Daur Female 2 Epping, Essex, England

Caravan
Census Place Harlow, Essex, England
Family History Library Film 1341419
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 1738 / 57
Page Number 13

I found this on www.familysearch.org there are a few others from Essex but this would seem the best match.

Contact me privately if you want. I still have contact with Eastwood and regularly go to the Churchyard.

Best wishes

Jenny

Title: Re: BIBBY - TRAVELLERS - WALTHAMSTOW/ESSEX. 1850-1900'S
Post by: social-butterflies on Monday 31 December 07 00:01 GMT (UK)
i to have many family members buried at eastwood church.
its worth knowing also that the some of the ''webbs''changed their name to bibby/biby back in early 1900's so you may want to look under that name as well.
the phone book may be of help as there are still alot of bibbys in this area.

happy hunting
amanda
Title: Re: BIBBY - TRAVELLERS - WALTHAMSTOW/ESSEX. 1850-1900'S
Post by: exessexgirl on Sunday 11 May 08 15:17 BST (UK)
Hello Amanda

I've only just found your reply to my posting. Thank you for your input. I have been told that the names were changed around. One things for sure, it's difficult to track them down  ;)

Thanks .. :) Lyn
Title: Re: Bibby's - Hawkers - Essex - 1850-1900'S
Post by: social-butterflies on Friday 16 May 08 07:53 BST (UK)
hi all,
looking at the census that poly1963 has listed. seems like they used the wifes name there and not the bibby name??? wonder if that has been a trait all along and thats where the webb name comes in? ??? maybe a wifes maiden name :-\
Title: Re: BIBBY - TRAVELLERS - WALTHAMSTOW/ESSEX. 1850-1900'S
Post by: jeremytrewindixon on Tuesday 12 May 09 09:41 BST (UK)
...... I have found most of his children, and they moved down from the Epping area to Rochford. thank's for replying. :) Lyn

Hi essexgirl, they moved down from the Epping area from Rochford? I'm trying to find out when the gypsy presence around Eastwood began (hi aa1webb!) , my information so far being that it started when Epping Forest gypsies relocated to Eastwood in the 1870s. Long story why I'm interested, already went into it on another thread on this board!.....but briefly it is to do with alleged Romany affiliations of alleged witch George Pickingill.

best, Jeremy
Title: Re: Bibby's - Hawkers - Essex - 1850-1900'S
Post by: AustralianShowman on Sunday 29 May 11 12:26 BST (UK)
Hi
I have only just come across this site while doing a google search.
I have also been trying to trace my family tree.
My relatives migrated from the UK in the 1880-90s
When they arrived in Australia they started Bibby Bros Circus. that lasted until the first world war.
They then went on to the showgrounds.
My grandfathers name was Emerys Albert Bibby, he was better known as Bert Bibby.
I think we still have some connection to some Bibbys that are showman in the UK.
I do not have any contact details for them so if anyone could help me out it would be great.
Regards,
Gary Brophy

Moderator Comment: If anyone can help please post details on this separate thread-
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,535453.msg3895063.html
Title: Re: Bibby's - Hawkers - Essex - 1850-1900'S
Post by: exessexgirl on Monday 30 May 11 13:04 BST (UK)
Jeremy
I've just read your update to the posting. I'd never heard of George Pickingill, but have just read an interesting article about him after doing a google. I grew up not far from Canewdon, and the story always was that the Church was haunted, and not to go there at Halloween. Always thought it was an old wives tale ;)

I've found the following site http://www.studygroup.org.uk which makes interesting reading. The Royal Epping Forest Gipsy Encampment at the
International Exhibition, Liverpool. 1886


Regards .. Lyn
Title: Re: BIBBY - TRAVELLERS - WALTHAMSTOW/ESSEX. 1850-1900'S
Post by: tillyBib on Friday 12 August 11 22:56 BST (UK)
i to have many family members buried at eastwood church.
its worth knowing also that the some of the ''webbs''changed their name to bibby/biby back in early 1900's so you may want to look under that name as well.
the phone book may be of help as there are still alot of bibbys in this area.

happy hunting
amanda

hi, just wondered if you know more about the name change.  i heard that one of the webb brothers change his name to bibby, for what reason, do you know??
cheers
Title: Re: Bibby's - Hawkers - Essex - 1850-1900'S
Post by: SBib on Saturday 13 August 11 19:52 BST (UK)
This usually happens when a woman with kids remarries. The kids then often take their step-father's surname. Sometimes they revert to their original surname in later life.
Title: Re: Bibby's - Hawkers - Essex - 1850-1900'S
Post by: hanes teulu on Saturday 13 August 11 21:14 BST (UK)
The unexplained death of Walter Bibby, Hawker of Beacontree Heath was reported in several newspapers in January 1893 ("Mysterious Affair at Romford"). The victims age wasn't given but

FreeBMD Death - Walter Bibby, age 39, Romford, Mar Qtr, 1893, 4a 196

The closest in age I can find on the 1891 Census is a Walter Bibby, age 35, Hawker - see RG12  1273  126  5. The information recorded against Walter and others in the household "is somewhat lacking".

On the 1891 Census there is Bibby circus family at RG12  1381  80  58

regards
Title: Re: Bibby's - Hawkers - Essex - 1850-1900'S
Post by: hanes teulu on Saturday 13 August 11 21:24 BST (UK)
1901 Census

Walter Bibby, Hawker, age 25

see RG13  1680  122  10
Title: Re: Bibby's - Hawkers - Essex - 1850-1900'S
Post by: social-butterflies on Sunday 14 August 11 01:37 BST (UK)
just to say that after all my findings for my webbs and bibbys, i can still not find out why the name changed from one to the other. that being said i also have another line of webbs on my fathers side and they change their webb name to neal?? curious lot are'nt they.

when my eyes are working again in the morning i wll look up the info you have put on about walter bibby.
 many thanks
Title: Re: Bibby's - Hawkers - Essex - 1850-1900'S
Post by: AustralianShowman on Sunday 14 August 11 11:11 BST (UK)
The unexplained death of Walter Bibby, Hawker of Beacontree Heath was reported in several newspapers in January 1893 ("Mysterious Affair at Romford"). The victims age wasn't given but

FreeBMD Death - Walter Bibby, age 39, Romford, Mar Qtr, 1893, 4a 196

The closest in age I can find on the 1891 Census is a Walter Bibby, age 35, Hawker - see RG12 1273 126 5. The information recorded against Walter and others in the household "is somewhat lacking".

On the 1891 Census there is Bibby circus family at RG12 1381 80 58

regards
Hi,
do you have a link regarding the 1891 census and Bibby Circus family.
Regards,
Gary
Title: Re: Bibby's - Hawkers - Essex - 1850-1900'S
Post by: hanes teulu on Monday 15 August 11 09:46 BST (UK)
1891 Census

Charles Bibby, age 52, Circus Proprietor,
Emma Bibby, wife, 45
Children Charles 26, William 24, Rose 23, Walter 19, Arthur 17, Emma 15, Dick 13, Sally 11, Mable 8, Minnie 6, Nelly 3
All born "Essex"
Address Railway Hotel Yard, Queen's Hall, Brentwood

regards
Title: Re: Bibby's - Hawkers - Essex - 1850-1900'S
Post by: hanes teulu on Monday 15 August 11 10:04 BST (UK)
1901 Census RG 13  1678  133  45

Charles Bibby, age 63, Steam Circus of his Own, b. Chelmsford, + family, at 5, Old Southend Road, Prittlewell.

They come under the Registration District of Rochford

regards
Title: Re: Bibby's - Hawkers - Essex - 1850-1900'S
Post by: hanes teulu on Monday 15 August 11 11:26 BST (UK)
There is a Webb family, Hawkers, Rochford at  RG14  PN10106  RD195 SD1 ED12 SN 166 (cannot post 1911 details - policy).

But I was intrigued by an occupation transcribed as "Goes chairing for the Foring" which, on checking the original, is probably meant to be "Goes charing for Mrs Posing?"!

regards
Title: Re: Bibby's - Hawkers - Essex - 1850-1900'S
Post by: social-butterflies on Monday 15 August 11 14:24 BST (UK)
But I was intrigued by an occupation transcribed as "Goes chairing for the Foring" which, on checking the original, is probably meant to be "Goes charing for Mrs Posing?"!

LOL!! it basically means going selling the posies (flowers) :) they i believe are my ancestors. my g.aunt, grandad & nan all started selling door to door when they were about 8, they would sell to the big posh houses in the area then take the money home to their mums who in the very early mornings would go to london to buy the flowers come home, make the posies then send the children out to sell. :)
will check out the link tahnk you to see if its one iv missed
Title: Re: Bibby's - Hawkers - Essex - 1850-1900'S
Post by: hanes teulu on Monday 15 August 11 15:01 BST (UK)
Thanks for the clarification - new specs needed methinks.

There's a family of Webbs, Hawkers, also at RG14 PN9808 RD190 SD1 ED5 SN23A

regards
Title: Re: Bibby's - Hawkers - Essex - 1850-1900'S
Post by: twinny on Monday 05 December 11 18:48 GMT (UK)
to the extremly pretty mum my uncle leonard harris married matilda bibby and had 18 kids  they are buried with their son leonard jn at eastwood st lawrenes church
Title: Re: Bibby's - Hawkers - Essex - 1850-1900'S
Post by: Webby1 on Thursday 16 May 13 22:24 BST (UK)
Hi all my grandfather Levi Webb used to travell from Brentwood where he was settled at the time down to Rochford to see  my granny Lilly bibby it was once they were married they travelled about and left Rochford but my aunt Tilly and my granny's sister Susan bibby would know a hell of a lot more I reckon il have to sit em down and ask them they moved about and settled over Bedford way!!!
Title: Re: Bibby's - Hawkers - Essex - 1850-1900'S
Post by: social-butterflies on Saturday 18 May 13 11:59 BST (UK)
morning all,
found this while at the ERO, may make a connection or an add on for some of you
Lottie Pretoria/Petrona? born to william & charlotte Bibbey, Showmen of Brewery road 16/09/1900 (child born june 10th 1900) St john the baprist church southend on sea essex :)
Title: Re: Bibby's - Hawkers - Essex - 1850-1900'S
Post by: social-butterflies on Wednesday 31 July 13 18:05 BST (UK)
just a little note to inform you all of a meeting of ancestors from descendants of the bohemia estate gypsy's/travellers. this year it will be on sunday 8th sept at st Laurence church hall. . I will be making a separate thread with all the details soon. :D
Title: Re: Bibby's - Hawkers - Essex - 1850-1900'S
Post by: Carol Dawn Brown on Saturday 31 August 13 15:27 BST (UK)
Can you give me the time and address for the gathering of descendants of the Bohemia Estate being held on 8th Sept please.

Title: Re: Bibby's - Hawkers - Essex - 1850-1900'S
Post by: social-butterflies on Saturday 31 August 13 17:28 BST (UK)
he there
try this link. hopefully that will give full directions
http://www.st-laurence.org.uk/location.html
or this
St Laurence & All Saints Church
 Junction of Aviation Way and Eastwoodbury Lane
 Southend-on-Sea
 SS2 6UN
time is 12- 4 I believe. 1.00 per person entry.
can I ask, how many of you there will be just to be sure of numbers please, thanks :)
Title: Horns Road Re: Bibby's - Hawkers - Essex - 1850-1900'S
Post by: kr236rk on Wednesday 17 June 20 05:20 BST (UK)
This is an old thread.

Am researching my ancestors on and around Horns Road, Barkingside, Essex.

I have seen names similar to Bibby there:-

William Boddy / Biddy, 74 Horns Rd, 1901 Census Ilford, 'general labourer.

William Body, 201 Horns Road, 1891 Census for Iflord, 'hawker'.

Wondering if these are variants of the Bibby surname?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Bibby's - Hawkers - Essex - 1850-1900'S
Post by: SBib on Wednesday 17 June 20 06:03 BST (UK)
Hi.
Boddy and Body don't appear to be Bibby variants but sometimes I have seen Boddys mis-spelt as Biddy and Bibby.
In this case you can find them on FreeBMD as Body.
Title: Re: Bibby's - Hawkers - Essex - 1850-1900'S
Post by: kr236rk on Wednesday 17 June 20 15:50 BST (UK)
Hi.
Boddy and Body don't appear to be Bibby variants but sometimes I have seen Boddys mis-spelt as Biddy and Bibby.
In this case you can find them on FreeBMD as Body.

Thanks. Misspelling will equate to variant in this context.