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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Herefordshire => Topic started by: nelwild on Sunday 06 June 10 21:05 BST (UK)
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Hello,
im seeking more info on a Charles Hart born c1831,in Herefordshire according to the 1871 census.
That census has his wife Mary born c1835 London.
Ive been unable to find anything else definate on Charles on any other census.
The 1861 has his wife born c1831 Twickenham,shes born their on other census,on the 1881 she uses the name Elizabeth M.
Im trying to find where Charles was on 1841/51/61,and the marriage for Charles/Mary(Elizabeth),also any wider info on Hart family.
Very grateful for anything,
Regards,
Nel.
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Well, I'm assuming that the Elizabeth Martha Hart bn Sept qtr 1850 Battle 7 276 is the daughter of Charles and Mary so they were at least together then (even if they weren't married), so they should be on the 1851 census somewhere.........!
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Ah ha! Got them on the 1851 census! Ancestry has them indexed as Hares.
HO107; Piece: 1636; Folio: 322; Page: 40
Lodging with Goodman family in Battle.
Charles Hart Lodger Mar 37 Sawyer Middx Twickenham
Mary Hart Lodger Mar 25 Middx Twickenham
Elizabeth Hart Lodger 8mnths bn Sussex Battle
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Many thanks Spidermonkey,
this entry has him born a lot earlier and her a bit earlier.
With them being lodgers its hard to know where the marriage was,if they married at all.
Ive had a quick look at Surrey/Middlesex/Hastings area and theres a few Charles Hart/Mary marriages,but with just an 1841 entry likely for her makes it more difficult.
Ill have a closer look,or if anyone can find a likely one id be grateful,
Thanks,
Nel.
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You've not got the birth certs of any of the children, have you? Cos I think that will tell you Mary's maiden name.
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amended
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I dont have any birth certs yet,i thought id see if i could find a likely marriage first.
Not sure what catones message means,just says amended,
Nel.
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I accidentally posted the 1861 census, but then realised you'd already got it :-[ Couldn't find Charles though :-\
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Thanks Catone,
if you do come across him on this census,or if anyone else does, id be very grateful,
Nel.
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Hello.
This is old but I'm returning to it as I have a bit more info.The births of several children show mothers maiden name as Hewett,so although there doesnt appear to be a marriage,Elizabeth or Marys maiden name was Hewett.I still cant find Charles on 1841 or 61 though,or anything on his wider family like siblings or parents.Please can anyone help?
Thanks.
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In 1871 he is described as a Lawyer, spidermonkeys 1851 has him as a Sawyer, I wonder which is correct.
Mary and the children are in Chichester in 1861, but no Charles her age is 30, which is a bit more likely correct, as her age of 36 in 1871 would make her very young when Elizabeth was born.
Mike
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Looking at the image on the 1871 census and comparing the S/L awyer with the S of Scholar and L of Labourer further down the page, it is definitely Sawyer.
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Puzzling, I am not a Sussex expert but in 1871 his residence is st. Mary in the castle, an exclusive and expensive crescent of houses, but of course it could also be a civil parish covering a wide area.
Mike
Added.
I have found a sawmill on the 1878 map of Hastings, very near the old castle, but the parish should be holy trinity
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Hello.
The Gro indices show that Elizabeth Martha was born in Battle Union in 1850.Im assuming that's the workhouse.So the mother at least was there a year before they were lodging with the Goodmans in 1851.Is it possible to search the records for the workhouse for that period.
Thanks.