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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Mayo => Topic started by: josephinemary on Tuesday 08 June 10 09:04 BST (UK)
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Having traced through census records in England I have now found a glimmer of hope in the 1911 records.
Name. Myles Crayton born circa 1851 --Mayo Ireland.
Before that it was place of birth,Ireland as was usual it seems. When Myles married his certificate says father John Craatin deceased and Myles name is spelt Craatin but is correct person.No doubt at all.
He was married in Framwellgate,Durham (Catholic Church) in 1886 and he was 34.On his death in 1926 he was 76 so this would give a date of birth anywhere between 1850 and 1854.
Have I realistically got any chance of finding out any more about his birth,parents,siblings etc.or am I banging my head against a brick wall? All suggestions welcome. I have had a look at the resources mentioned and they are fantastic.As my hubby is 7/8's Irish the fun can start now but keep coming across this -- place of birth-Ireland. Oh well.
Heres hoping,
Josie.
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Full Civil registration started in Ireland in 1864 and for earlier details you will need to research Church records, you generally need to know the family religion and a detailed location for them i.e. parish, town or townland.
see : Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
Some parish records for Co. Mayo are available on the pay-website of the Irish Family History Foundation at www.irish-roots.ie
Shane
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Thanks for that.Am I to assume that Mayo is a county? I thought it was also a place.
Josie.
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Mayo is a county in the west of Ireland. There are a few townlands (about 6) that include the name Mayo, but I think as place of birth on a census Mayo would mean the county.
see a map of the Catholic parishes on the Iris Times at : Mayo RC Parish Map (http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/mayorc.htm) You can click on the various areas on the map to check the details available for each parish.
Shane
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Adding to this. Now know he was from Connacht so where will I find records please?
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I don't think you read my previous post correctly- Mayo is in Connacht, so, he's still from Mayo.
Have you read the topic Introduction to Irish Records? Shane posted link back in 2010 so if you did read it then would be good to re-read it now.
Since that time lots of new Irish records have been put online (may of them free).
Many Irish Catholic parish registers are now online but unless you know the R.C. parish it could mean lots of browsing through each parish-
https://registers.nli.ie/
Civil records here- births, deaths & Catholic marriages don't start until 1864 but with an unusual surname you might find some leads to follow up in the parish registers. You can use wildcards on the site but search place is the registration district not county. This will show you the districts for Mayo- https://www.swilson.info/regdistbyco.php
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
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Adding to this. Now know he was from Connacht so where will I find records please?
As you probably know by now, there is only 1 John Crayton registered on Civil Reg...... not yours I know!!
BUT as a starting point you could do worse than checking out that Parish!
as you can see, first entry on right page has a Catherine d/o John.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632336#page/7/mode/1up
Sibling??
After that you need to look through Register..... see if there is a Myles there!!
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Catherine Creaton 1851 Swineford Mayo daughter of John and Margaret.
but that is the only Creaton/Craatin with variants I found at findmypast.ie
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For the general problem of finding Irish origins of people: My advice is basically look at every record you can get your hands on. Look at all the siblings and cousins who were born in Ireland. Sometimes their records will tell a county of origin. Look for obituaries, records of fraternal organizations.
If any relatives went to the States, look for their passenger manifest. The later ones required a contact person in the country from which the immigrant came. And US death records sometimes will name a county, not just "Ireland".
I found a couple of counties once on "Return of a Birth" slips that a midwife filled out for the board of health. She was Irish and she put down "Co Mayo" instead of just "Ireland."
Look at the composition of the neighborhood your husband's ancestors lived in. Were most people from the same place? A lot of people in my grandfather's neighborhood came from within a few miles of his home in So. Down.
Get a feel for where the surname occurs, I usually use Griffith's Valuation for that.
If you have trouble with place names, google it. like "what is the Catholic parish in --- registration district." Google sometimes suggests a different spelling if that is the problem as well. Get a feel for the County/Registration District/Civil Parish/Townland structure. Google them again, like "County Mayo townlands". There are a lot of helpful sites that tell which place is where.
Catholic parishes are not always the same as the Civil Parish, but they might have the same name.
Try Facebook too. Some of the counties have really good groups. Co. Clare is one, Down is another, I haven't tried Mayo yet. People might recognize the name and be able to put it with a place.
I'll take another look at your post and infomation later today or tomorrow.
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Lots of Creaton's in Mayo on Griffiths. Same pronunciation.
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Here are the Creatons in Co Mayo on Griffith's Valuation, taken 1857 in Mayo, by
Townland, Civil Parish
Ballinamore, Killedan 8
John 2
Philip 3
Patrick 2
Laurence 1
Cuillalea, Killedan 2
James
James
Derrycashel, Aghamore 5
Michael 2
James 2
Anthony 1
Woodfield, Aghamore 1
Killaturly, Kilbeagh 1
Derryvohy, Killedan 1
Daniel
And attached is a map of where they are.
So chances are pretty good that Miles came from somewhere in that area.
If you know of any siblings, you might find them on the baptism records, even if you don't find Miles. Maybe even on the Civil Records if Miles was toward the older end of the family. It would really help to have his mother's name though, before you start guessing who the siblings are on the records.
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And someone else might know -- is Miles a saint's name? If not, would he be baptized with a saint's name as a given name?
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Adding to this. Now know he was from Connacht so where will I find records please?
Can you update people as to anything new found in past 8 years? Easier if everyone is up to date!
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Your rootsweb tree, https://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=DESC&db=josephinesfamily&id=P2278902637
says Miles had 3 children, Sarah, John, and Mary. Did he have anymore children and what were their names? Do you know his wife's parents' and siblings' names? I see her father was James, but he is widowed in 1891 when they are living with him.
Edit: Mary Sims' mother was Ann Burke (from same rootsweb tree).
Just trying to make an educated guess at Miles' mother's name and maybe those of his brothers and sisters. There were naming patterns that might help you work backward or sideways.
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And someone else might know -- is Miles a saint's name? If not, would he be baptized with a saint's name as a given name?
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Is Miles a variation of Michael? Can also be Milo? An Irish FH website, name of which I've forgotten, has lists of name variations and in which part of Ireland some were common. *
What would have been Latin version of Miles in a register?
An English Catholic great-uncle of mine was registered with name Miles after an uncle-by-marriage but was instead baptised John after his paternal grandfather. No idea if it was family or clerical objection which altered the name. He used both names in later life, with Miles/Myles as his middle name.
*Edit.
KiwiCelts
fhr.kiwicelts.com/Research/Gen_Nicknames.html
Robert Matheson, then Irish Registrar-General wrote a book:
"Variations and Synonymes of Surnames and Christian Names in Ireland for the Guidance of Registration Officers and the Public in Searching the Indexes of Births, Marriages and Deaths" published by H.M.S.O 1901.
Available to read on the Internet Archive https://archive.org
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For the spelling Creighton in Mayo on Griffith's Valuation I found this man:
Griffith's Mayo 1857
Creighton
Townland, Parish
Cuiltybo, Kilcolman
John 1
Interestingly also, at the index at findmypast.ie for Catholic baptisms:
children of John and Mary Creighton, Kilcolman:
Sara, 1842
Joseph, 1845
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for the John and Margaret/Peggy Crayton in Swineford
Ellen, 1846
John, 1848
Catherine, 1851
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If Miles' father is the John Creighton in Kilcolman, it would explain his daughter Sara's name in 1891.
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An Irish family history forum you may be interested in is Ireland Reaching Out https://www.irelandxo.com
It's organised by parish and county. If you don't know which civil parish your ancestor came from you can post on the county board.
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Gosh. What a clever lot you all are.
Thought I was good. Guess it will be a trip to Ireland to find out more.
A very big thank you to all.
Josie.
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If you look at the side panel here Cork ,Dublin and Kerry R C dont Latinise Myles
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mcn/