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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Limerick => Topic started by: johnny_doyle on Wednesday 09 June 10 07:24 BST (UK)
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At the Easter Commemoration in Galbally this year, my father in law mentioned another of his family that I'd not heard of before and I'm keen to see how he links in to the tree.
Would anyone have any family information about Michael F Crowe from Ballysimon, Co Limerick? Born some time in the late 1800's, active at the turn of the century and thru to the 1920's at least.
I am aware that as well as being a railway employee he was a GAA referee and an IRB man. There is a write up of him in the series "Great Limerick Sportsmen" from 1955 which gives some info about his sporting/working career
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/aai-files/assets/libraries/limerick-city-library/reading-room/sport/michael-f-crowe.pdf
and he appears in the list of 125 Influential People in the GAA
http://limerickleader-thelockerroom.blogspot.com/2009/01/four-limerick-men-feature-on-125-most.html
Other than this, nothing. No date of birth or death, no names of parents or siblings, marriage info etc. No idea what the middle initial stands for. Would be grateful for any information or suggestions of where best to look.
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You can check 1901 and 1911 census records and also civil registration index- then if you have no luck identifying Michael Crowe let us know and we might be able to help.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=collectionDetails&c=fs%3A1408347
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luimneach found him on the 1901 census and using the age recorded there I've now found him on the 1911 census with a wife and child in Dublin :
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Mountjoy/Clonliffe_Road___South_Side/13088/
From the years of marriage on the 1911 census, there is a possible marriage for Michael Crowe in Q4 1908, North Dublin.
thanks for your help with this query.
I just have to tie his family to Brigid Kelly of Camogue who is supposedly his cousin (not sure if first cousin, second cousin or no cousin at all....).
Michael Crowe is supposed to have been one of the IRB men who introduced Harry Boland and his brother to the IRB. One of Brigid's sons, Ned O'Brien from Galbally, escaped to the USA after the rescue of Sean Hogan at Knocklong in 1919 and subsequently worked for Boland fundraising etc. Ned was also an IRB and GAA man and like Michael featured in the "Great Limerick Sportsmen" series of articles
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/aai-files/assets/libraries/limerick-city-library/reading-room/sport/ned-obrien-part-1.pdf
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I have some information on the michael F crowe you have posted, most of his relatives are now living in the USA or canada, his father was Thomas Crowe from Ballyphilip Kilteely co. limerick and his mother was Bridget Moloney from Cloverfield Kilteely, he is one of 8 children and he had 4 brothers, I have a note that say his brother William died in Ballysimon "pulled by the British Body found in Kildare" A nephew of his lives in Toronto and visits ireland every year of so. If I can be of more assistance come back to me, I am not directly related to him but hold some of the family information on my family family tree. his grandfather was John Crowe originally from Doon co. limerick
Ed
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Hi Ed,
thanks for this information. Trying to make sense of the wife's family tree is a bit of a challenge. Still can't work out where the Crowe's tie in exactly and if they are part of Michael Crowe's family or not.
Johnny
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If you want to direct a few question ,giving me info on what you think is the kelly link I might be able to help tie in the kelly side.?
ed
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the line I'm working back from is the wife's family who are in Galbally in the 1901 census :
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Limerick/Galbally/Galbally/1506393/
I believe the wife was Bridget Kelly from Emly/Camogue, Co Tipp. My notes are a bit scrappy so I will ring the father in law over Christmas and see if I can get a bit more info.
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I have done a bit of research and while I don't have any conclusive evidence that the relation exist there is fairly convincing evidence that there is a close relationship.
The Bridget kelly or O'kelly was born in Drumcomoge Emily Tipperary around 1861 she married William O'Brien from Mitchelstown Co. Cork, Bridget was married on 13/03/1890 and the witness were William Noonan & Margaret Galvin.
Bridgets mother was winifred Crowe born around 1815 (no record of her Birth exist) she is buried in Emly in the Kelly Grave Emly Tipperary after her death on 27th August 1875, her husband was John and his parents were Patrick Kelly and mary Moragan (all mentioned on the Headstone).
If winifred is one of the Crows from Ballyphilip kilteely then her father would be John Crowe and she had a brother John Crowe born around 1816 who married Johanna Dillion. He had seven children with one of the daughters called Winifred born in Kilteely 1854, so most likely this was a family name.
Johns oldest son was Thomas DOB 1853 who married Bridget Moloney and their eldest son was called Michael F Crowe (this is the GAA man). Bridget Kelly was a first couse to Thomas DOB 1853 or a first cousin once removed to michael F.
One other thing that appears to link the family is at the wedding of James Crowe (Michael F's brother) to Mary Heelan from Elton Knocklong in April 1894 the witness on the Crow side of the house was a John Kelly I expect he was one of Winifred's children however I am not able to trace him, I have some information on Winifred's three children, Patrick who stayed in the Home place and married Margaret English, Johanna who never married and Bridget who married O'Brien.
I hope this is helpful in making the link, if you have any further info I would welcome it, I am from Kilteely just over the Boarder from Emly and now live in caherline.
Ed
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Hi Ed,
thanks for the quick reply here. That's a fab load of info you've uncovered. Much appreciated.
William was from Mitchelstown. His daughter Alice married a Noonan; will try and see if there's any more that I can track on this line to see if there's a link to the William Noonan mentioned.
I just got a copy of Thomas Twomey's The War of Independence in Limerick. Nothing re Michael Crowe which surprised but a couple of other Crowe's are mentioned.
Johnny
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Michael F Crowe was my father's uncle. My father's father was Michael's brother, Thomas. My father lives in Limerick City, as do 3 of his 4 children.
My father never met Michael but is aware of his famous career as a GAA referee. He also said that Michael moved from Limerick to Dublin and worked there as an accountant with a railway company. He does not know anything about Michael's children (or granchilldren?). Can anybody help?
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Michael F Crowe was my father's uncle. My father's father was Michael's brother, Thomas. My father lives in Limerick City, as do 3 of his 4 children.
My father never met Michael but is aware of his famous career as a GAA referee. He also said that Michael moved from Limerick to Dublin and worked there as an accountant with a railway company. He does not know anything about Michael's children (or granchilldren?). Can anybody help?
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Michael F had one son that I am aware of born Thomas 1910 in Dublin their may have been more children but I have no record of them. I have responded to a few of the other queries earlier in this thread, Please e mail me for other info on the family tree if you wish. * limerick
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I can't believe how quickly that reply came in! Thanks a million. I read the earlier posts in this thread with great interest and saw that Thomas (son of Michael F) was recorded in the 1911 census. I wasn't sure if there were any other children born after 1911. Last year Pat O Dea, Kilteely showed my father and some of his Canadian relations (a son and grandson of John Crowe, another of MF's brothers) where 3 generations of the Crowe clan were buried. Pat also suggested that the O'Dea's of Kilteely may be related to the Crowes.
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Cro and Edmondo, thanks for adding the extra info to this thread. Very much appreciated.
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I'm also very grateful to all who have contributed to this topic!
A further note re Michael F Crowe
The deeds to Croke Park were conveyed to Trustees of the GAA on December 18, 1913. Limerickman Frank Dineen held the deeds up to this point. The trustees were: Dan Fraher of Dungarvan; Michael F. Crowe of Dublin (originally Limerick); Luke J. O’Toole of Dublin; Alderman James J. Nowlan of Kilkenny; Tom Kenny of Craughwell; John J. Hogan of Dublin; Patrick Whelan of Newbliss; John E. Malone of Ennis; and John Collins of London. (As far as I know it was Michael F Crowe who actually accepted the deeds as he was the accountant/auditor in the group--I'm sure I read that somewhere...)
There are some details about Michael F's IRB and GAA connections in the book, 'Harry Boland's Irish Revolution' by David Fitzpatrick, published in 2003.
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My grandmother Johanna Crowe was from Co. Limerick, I have her marriage cert to Laurence Cosgrave, which says her father was Thomas Crowe - carman (?) mother Bridget Malooney. Johanna had a sis ter Bridget (biddy) and the marriage cert states living in Blackboy Pike Limerick. I know there was another sister Mary, who emigrated to USA Married to a Cronin. I know there was a hushed tale of a brother being involved with then IRB is this the same family?
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long time since I did anything on Rootschat :-(
Attached pic is William O'Brien and Bridget Kelly/O'Kelly and children circa 1905, Galbally.
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From the years of marriage on the 1911 census, there is a possible marriage for Michael Crowe in Q4 1908, North Dublin.
Michael CROWE married Mary MORAN on 14th October 1908.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1908/10073/5663869a.pdf
Michael F had one son that I am aware of born Thomas 1910 in Dublin their may have been more children but I have no record of them.
Children from 1911:
Rosaline born 1911
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1911/01529/1620283.pdf
Michael Francis born 1914
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1914/01413/1580479.pdf
Fergus born 1916
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1916/01329/1548722.pdf
Maura born 1918
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1918/01281/1530919.pdf
KG
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We were in Galbally last year following the Knocklong centenary and stopped by the gravestone for William, Bridget etc.
William junior died in November 1916 following his release from Frongoch internment camp.
John Joe and Ned took part in the rescue of Sean Hogan at Knocklong with others from Galbally.
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Dear Johnny, Dear Ed,
Micheál Crowe is my great-grandfather, my mother Niamh's grandfather. Micheál's youngest daughter, Maura Crowe (b. 3 March 1918, d. 29 December 2008) is my grandmother. https://notices.irishtimes.com/death/lawson/2420389?from_mobile=1;s_source=itir
Maura married Michael Lawson (who died young of a heart attack, first heart attack, aged 39, final heart attack, aged 42) and had four children: Conor, Niamh, Carol and Siobhán. Siobhán (just a baby when her father died) married David Johnson and went to live in England, and had three children. Siobhán also died young of a heart attack, aged 39. Maura's other three children, Conor, Niamh and Carol, are thankfully all alive and well today (15 March 2024), living in Dublin, each of whom married and had three, two and four children respectively.
Here's what my mother has said about her grandfather: Micheál audited the accounts of railway stations around Ireland. He was known as a great referee for the GAA and he was a member of the GAA Central Council as well as secretary to the Dublin County GAA board. (Through my own research, I discovered from records that Micheál was a founding member of Dublin Fianna GAA club and played with them for seven years). Micheál died young, aged 39, from a brain tumour.
Maura was just a toddler when her father Micheál died. Mary, Micheál's wife, had to move to Dublin after Micheál's death with their four young children to get help from her family.There was no social welfare or state support in those days - you were on your own. The GAA got Mary a house on Iona Road in Dublin - this, as Maura always said, literally saved their lives. The family simply would not have survived without the support given by the GAA. Mary worked as a seamstress, from home, whilst raising her four children. She made everything, from dresses to coats, to wedding dresses. Mary was an excellent seamstress and secured a contract from the army to make uniforms. Maura remembers as a child getting up in the middle of the night to go to the toilet and would hear the sewing machine going - her mother worked all the hours God sent - as Maura put it, her mother "worked her fingers to the bone".
Thomas, the first born of Micheál and Mary's children never married and emigrated to England. Fergus died in childhood from pneumonia. Rosaline married Vincent Walker and settled in Bray, raising two sons. Maura and Rosaline were very close until Rosaline passed away from cancer (As a child, I remember my mother putting me in a [borrowed for the occasion] car when she regularly drove to Bray to pick up Rosaline to bring her to Rathgar for her chemotherapy and then would bring her home again). Micheál Francis emigrated to England and met and married an English lady, Anne. Micheál Francis and Anne had one son, Keith. Micheál Francis worked as a bus tour guide in England. He came home with his family to stay with Maura in Greenlee Road, Terenure on a number of occasions. My mother remembers her uncle Micheál as a lovely man.
If I find any photos I will post them here. It's great to see all the information on Micheál here - thank you to everyone who contributed. Incidentally, my mother only ever heard her mother referring to Micheál as Micheál, the Irish version of Michael. Never 'Micky'. :-)