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Grandfather was Percival Powning Trestrail born Feb. 26th 1885 married to Bessie Knight born March 29th 1893. They lived at 5 Clifton Terrace in Hayle - row housing My grandfather was a mariner and worked with the British Navy for many years. They had one son, my father, William Percival Trestrail - born Jan. 7 1924. They sailed to New York around 1930.
I THOUGHT my grandfather, Percival Trestrail's parents were Albert Trestrail (born around 1860) and Minnie (Jenkin) Trestrail. They lived on Bodriggy Rd. in Hayle. But there seems to be a conflict. It's like my grandfather's parents just vanished with no records. It also seems he lived with his grandfather and grandmother at age 15. Maybe while he was on the naval ships at a young age, something happened to his parents. But why no record. I will have to find or purchase his birth certificate.
I was told my great grandparents are buried in the Hayle church graveyard, but I could not find their tombstone in 1990 when I visited the church.
Bessie (Knight) Trestrail's father was John Thomas Knight of Hayle. I didn't have a record of Bessie Knight Trestrail's mother, but thanks to this great site, I found out today that her name was Bessie (Tremlett) Knight.
Percival and Bessie Trestrail were married in
Parash Phillack of Hayle
S. Elwyn Vicarage
Wesleyian
P.E. & Berry - Pastor
on Feb. 3rd 1923
My grandfather, Percival Powning Trestrail, was in the Royal Navy. He sailed out of St. Ives either to come to America or with the Navy. We were told he was only SEVEN when he boarded the Naval ships, trained, and took off to sea. I think that is incorrect. They made laws to protect young children, except under odd circumstances or pauper laws.
Once in New York, my father went to New York City public schools, and he met my Mother whose family was from Cambourne, Cornwall. My mother's name was Elizabeth Joan Gill. That will be under another subject title. Mother's grandfather's surname was Uren. Mother's mother, Rubina Uren married Horace Gill of Cambourne.
My parents William and Elizabeth (Gill) Trestrail had two children, my Brother James William Trestrail, and myself, Linda Joan Trestrail.
I had lots of family documents and gave them to my two sons inside two leather bound family tree books and both of them misplaced or tossed out the books. I'm devastated over their loss.
In August 1990, I had been to COrnwall, Cambourne, Hayle and visited Phillack, and the minister took me to a Trestrail family who lived on the sea. Ken and Rachael Trestrail lived at 82 Gwithian Towans in Hayle. They were not related to my family.
Trestrail - from tre-strayl: homestead of mat or carpet (maker). Place name Trestrail, Probus, spelt Trestrael 1278
Anyone related to me?
Linda Joan Trestrail
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A warm welcome to Rootschat! ;D
Is this your Bessie's family in 1901?
30 Penpol Tce, West Phillack RG13/2245 folio 13 pg 18
Thomas Knight head mar 36 foreman of roads b. Cornwall
Bessie wife 32 b. Devon
John son 12 b. Devon
Beatrice M dau 10 b. Devon
Bessie dau 8 b. Cornwall
Charles E son 6 b. Cornwall
Gladys dau 4 b. Cornwall
Alfred S son 2 b. Cornwall
her birth reg
Bessie Knight june qtr 1893 Redruth vol 5c pg 223
1891 7 Ordnance Row, Devonport RG12/1743 folio 44 pg 27
Thomas Knight head mar 26 general labourer b. Cornwall, Mawgan
Bessie wife 22 b. Devon, Devonport
John son 2 b. Devon, Plymouth
Beatrice M dau 1 month b. Devonport
Sarah Tremlett mother-in-law widow 42 own means b. Devonport
George Tremlett brother-in-law 19 general lab b. Devonport
Alfred Tremlett brother-in-law 17 gen lab b. Devonport
George Sleeman loder 30 gen lab b. Devonport
marriage reg
Bessie Tremlett march qtr 1889 Plymouth vol 5b pg 448 with Thomas Knight on the same page
Marriage cert would give you details of fathers & occupations. This looks like
baptism record for Thomas
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/moreinfo.php?ID=1368270&dbtype=baptisms&formval=
By the way, probably a good idea to remove details of living people from your post to fall in with Rootschat's policy.
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I wish I had the original records, but I do remember my grandmother, Bessie Knight Trestrail's father being a road worker on the birth certificate. I had no clue that she had other brothers and sisters. Bessie died of breast cancer in 1953 in Brooklyn, NY when I was only 3. I still have her beautiful lamp and perfume bottles and an inlaid dresser and mirror. I am almost certain that this is my father's mother's blood line.
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http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/
has Bessie's baptism recorded in Hayle Methodist circuit
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/moreinfo.php?ID=28799&dbtype=baptisms_nc&formval=
You can get copies of the certificates from the GRO to confirm details
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
I think you may need to get a copy of Percy's birth certificate as the census is not showing the parents as given
Percy Powning Trestrail march qtr 1886 Redruth vol 5c pg 233
1891 Prospect Place, Phillack RG12/1852 folio 50 pg 34
William Trestrail head mar 72 showmaker b. Phillack
Eliza wife 68 b. Goldsithney
Elizabeth dau single 40 chair caner b. Goldsithney (blind from childhood)
Minnie dau single 25 tailoress b. Hayle
Percy grandson 5 b. Hayle
1901 Bodiggy St, Phillack RG13/2245 folio 59 pg 14
William Trestrail head widower 83 shoemaker b. Phillack
Elizabeth A dau 50 chair caner b. Perranuthnoe (blind)
Percy grandson 15 work (?) boy (farm) b. Phillack
Minnie's marriage was registered march qtr 1897 Falmouth vol 5c pg 299 to either Frederick Burton or Thomas Bourchier Daniels
No sign of an Albert Trestrail in this family or one marrying a Minnie.
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this marriage reg for the grandparents looks to explain Percy's middle name
William Trestrail dec qtr 1843 Redruth vol 9 pg 299 with Eliza Powning on the same page
Possible for Eliza's baptism?
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/moreinfo.php?ID=981461&dbtype=baptisms&formval=
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My spelling night be wrong. Pounding might not be the right way to spell it.
Percival Pounding (Powning) Archibald Trestrail was my grandfather. He was born FEBRUARY 26 1885.
He and Bessie Knight (her mother's maiden name is tremlett) had ONE child, my father, William Percival Trestrail who was born Jan 7th 1924 in Hayle.
When they moved to NY, my father, William Percival met Elizabeth Joan Gill in Brooklyn NY and they married in NY on June 28, 1947.
My mother's family came from Cambourne. Urens and Gill.
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the only bmds for a Percy Trestrail on the GRO index in Cornwall are the birth reg in march qtr 1886 and the marriage in 1923. There is no Percival showing up in bmds or on the census. The Percy that I posted is the only one who appears.
The marriage is indexed as
Percy P Trestrail march qtr 1923 Redruth vol 5c pg 319 to Bessie Knight
I'm just going by the official records.
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Ok, there are some strange coincidences going on here. I widened the search to the whole GRO index and there is this birth reg
Percival Powning Trestrail june qtr 1885 Gateshead vol 11a pg 882a
almost as far as away from Cornwall as you can be and still be in England
The Percy who was registered in the Redruth died in the same quarter.
There is a Trestrail family in Gateshead, headed by a son of William & Eliza called Thomas
birth reg
Thomas P?wning Trestrail march qtr 1861 Redruth vol 5c pg 307
marriage before the move north
Thomas George P Trestrail sept qtr 1882 vol 5c pg 355 with Matilda Goldsack on the same page
No sign of a Percival Trestrail on the census. Just the Percy I've given you and one born in Devon. If he was registered in Gateshead, why does he show up as being born in Phillack/Hayle? I've used the free search on the 1911 census and he's still showing up as Percy born Hayle in a schedule classified as military in Devonport - Devonport was mainly Naval.
http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/StokeDamerel/devonport.html
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I only have a paper I typed up from the information on those old documents that my darling sons misplaced or lost.
Here is what I wrote down on my paternal side. My father was WIlliam Percival Trestrail. He came over to NY around 1930 on a ship with his parents, Bessie and Percival Trestrail.
Grandparents
Percival Powning Trestrail born Feb. 26 1885. He was a mariner by trade and in the Royal Navy. He left home at 7 to work on the ships. At age 36, he married Bessie Knight - entry of marriage - registered in the Redruth District.
Bessie Knight Trestrail born March 29, 1893. Baptized May 1, 1893 at Hayle Circuit Chapels. Residence in Angarrack. Housewife. Moved to Brooklyn NY with husband, Percival, after their wedding on Feb. 3, 1923 at the Parish House of Elwyn in Hayle. Docket # B138948 in Redruth District.
Bessie Trestrail (nee Knight) died January 13, 1953 in Brooklyn, New York, at age 60 from breast cancer.
Percival Powning Trestrail died on Long Island, New York, June 22, 1968 at age 80 from emphysema .
Great Grandparents
Albert Trestrail, father of Percival. He married Minnie Jenkin and they lived on Bodriggy Rd. in Hayle.
Minnie Jenkin, mother of Percival, She and Albert are buried in the Hayle CHurch graveyard. I could not find a tombstone in 1990. The cemetery was in poor shape and an elderly gentlemen came out and told me to watch out for the adder snakes in the tall grasses. The pastor invited me in for a pasty, and said that the records were being updated.
John Thomas Knight, father of Bessie.
mother - unknown but THANKS TO YOU I AM SO HAPPY I KNOW HER NAME, SARAH TREMLETT FROM DEVONPORT.
The military records are lost thanks to my sons, and the information I got was from the marriage licenses of Percy and Bessie, and earler from the military records from the British Navy.
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What I have always felt in my heart, spirit, soul, and inside my blood is a strong connection to the Cornish Celtic people. I am proud to be a true unblemished, Cornish descendent. Yes my father was born in Hayle and my mother born in Queens, New York, but her parents had come to America from Cambourne, Cornwall, but returned to Cornwall so that my Mom's sister, Barbara Gill, born June 17, 1930, could be born at St Michael's Mount hospital. The doctors in NY told my maternal grandmother, Elizabeth Mary Robina Uren Gill ( born August 7, 1896 on Union St. Cambourne) that she would die in child labor and my grandmother wanted to return home to be with her Mother, Elizabeth Ellen Penpraze Uren, and her father, James Uren, market house caretaker. They lived on Union Street in Cambourne and had 7 children Norman, Stanley, Elizabeth, Raymond, Gordon, Stuart, and Ruth.
My grandmother survived, and sailed back home with my Mother, Elizabeth (Gill) Trestrail, and her new baby, Barbara (Gill) Collie, to Queens, NY
I will do a separate forum on the maternal side later on. I want to concentrate on the paternal side. I am so happy to finally have learned my paternal grandmother's mother's name, Sarah (Tremlett) Knight.
I am beginning to see that some family members (Sarah Tremlett) came from Devonport, Devon, and then moved to Hayle or Angarrack, a few miles from Hayle.
So does that officially no longer make me a true blooded Cornish lassie? My grandfather always called me "ah, me sweet little princess" instead of saying "my sweet little princess." That is what made him truly a Cornishman.
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'Cornish Lassie' is what I am definately.... why because my roots are from Cornwall and Scotland and Lassie is a scottish term ( I think)..
We are what we feel in our hearts - so go with it, you love your Cornish heritage - so therefore you feel you belong to that part of the world. Thats lovely.
xin
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from John Thomas' baptism, this looks to be a good match for his family
1871 Mill Valley, Withel RG10/2250 folio 77 pg 25
John Knight head mar 29 ag lab b. St Columb
Jane wife 32 b. St. Mawgan
John T son 6 b. St Mawgan
Edward J son 4 b. St Mawgan
William H son 2 b. St Mawgan
Charles E son 1 b. St Withel
Johannah Bennett mother widow 71 b. St Eval
Johannah would look to be Jane's mother
marriage reg
John Bennett dec qtr 1863 St Columb vol 5c pg 179 with Jane Bennett the only other on the page
Jane's baptism
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/moreinfo.php?ID=1397888&dbtype=baptisms&formval=
To establish Percival's parents, you should get a copy of his birth certificate. I can find no sign of an Albert Trestrail or of a Minnie Jenkin that married a Trestrail. There is, however, a Minnie Trestrail with parents William & Eliza in the right area, and a Percy Trestrail of the right age living with them. This Percy, by 1911, is in the Royal Navy.
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Hi Guys,
I agree with Osprey that you will need Percy's birth cert. The Percy from Devon is from a completely different family.
There is a death recorded for Percy Powning Trestrail March qtr 1886 Redruth 5c 233 age 0.
It is entered in the Phillack PR: Percival Powning Trestrail 11 month Copperhouse 14 March 1886 (no parents given) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~phillack/burials/bur1885_1889.htm
If this is correct then this would be the Percy that was born in Gateshead. Perhaps Thomas George P Trestrail & family returned to Phillack & Percy Powning died during the visit?
I ,also, can not locate a marriage between Albert Trestrail & Minnie but have a Albert Trestrail marring Emily Simmons Sept qtr 1890 Redruth 5c 343.
I have them in the Census as:
1891 St Johns St, Phillack RG12/1852 folio 42 page 18 ed 3 sch 129
"Alfred" Trestrail head 34 boilermaker Phillack
Emily wife 31 Phillack
1901 St John St ,Phillack RG13/2245 folio 55 page 6 ed 4 sch 37
Jane Harris head wid 82 Phillack
Emily Trestrail dau mar 42 general dom servant Phillack
1901 East Stonehouse, Devonport RG13/2104 folio 163 page 48 ed 5 sch 374
William Percy head, mar 70 navy pensioner
Maud Percy wife mar 69 laundress
Mary A Bryan dau wid 43 laundress
Lilian M Percy gr dau unm 18 drapers asst
Albert Trestrail boarder mar 38 Boilermaker ( born "Bodmin"
Regards,
Dave.
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It makes more sense that Percival Powning Trestrail's grandfather was William and his grandmother Eliza Powning.
But I wonder if my grandfather's parents (?) died and he went to stay with his grandfather, William Trestrail, who was widowed from Eliza, when my grandfather, Percival, was 15.
I am going to state that this is absolutely my grandfather's grandparents.
he only bmds for a Percy Trestrail on the GRO index in Cornwall are the birth reg in march qtr 1886 and the marriage in 1923. There is no Percival showing up in bmds or on the census. The Percy that I posted is the only one who appears.
Percival Powning Trestrail was at sea at age 7. That would be 1892. He was at sea for many years, and it looks like 8 years later he was back in Hayle at age 15 living with his grandfather, William, who was then widowed from Eliza.
The marriage is indexed as
Percy P Trestrail march qtr 1923 Redruth vol 5c pg 319 to Bessie Knight
This marriage reg for the grandparents looks to explain Percy's middle name - Powning
William Trestrail dec qtr 1843 Redruth vol 9 pg 299 with Eliza Powning on the same page
Possible for Eliza's baptism?
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/moreinfo.php?ID=981461&dbtype=baptisms&formval=
Baptism records od Eliza Powning
Parish: Perranuthnoe
Date: 09-Apr 1823
Name: Eliza POWNING
Sex: Dau of
Father: Thomas
Mother: Mary - I'D LOVE TO FIND OUT HER MAIDEN NAME.
Residence:
Father's rank/profession: MINER
Register notes:
Transcriber Notes:
Transcriber: Diane Donohue
I think you may need to get a copy of Percy's birth certificate as the census is not showing the parents as given
Percy Powning Trestrail march qtr 1886 Redruth vol 5c pg 233
1891 Prospect Place, Phillack RG12/1852 folio 50 pg 34
William Trestrail head mar 72 showmaker b. Phillack
Eliza wife 68 b. Goldsithney
Elizabeth dau single 40 chair caner b. Goldsithney (blind from childhood)
Minnie dau single 25 tailoress b. Hayle
Percy grandson 5 b. Hayle - he left for the sea at age 7. Was he too much to care for by the grandparents. Where were his parents?
1901 Bodiggy St, Phillack RG13/2245 folio 59 pg 14
William Trestrail head widower 83 shoemaker b. Phillack
Elizabeth A dau 50 chair caner b. Perranuthnoe (blind)
Percy grandson 15 work (?) boy (farm) b. Phillack
Minnie's marriage was registered march qtr 1897 Falmouth vol 5c pg 299 to either Frederick Burton or Thomas Bourchier Daniels
No sign of an Albert Trestrail in this family or one marrying a Minnie.
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I just found a certified copy of my father's original birth certificate.
Registration District - Redruth application number PAS 61345/N/F
October 18th 1977
Birth in sub-district of Phillack, County of Cornwall - January 7 1924.
Clifton Terrace
Phillack bast.
Father- Percy Trestrail
Mother - Bessie formerly Knight
Father - able Seaman (Merchant Service)
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there's an IGI extracted marriage in batch M022231 for Perranuthnoe
Thomas Powning & Mary Freethy 12/1/1813
You can get a copy of this from the record office in Truro
http://www.cornwall.gov.uk/default.aspx?page=14713
1841 census Perranuthnoe HO107/143/11 folio 23 pg 15
Thomas Powning 55 miner
Mary 50
Eliza 15
George 15 miner
Richard 13 miner
Ambrose 12 miner
James 10
Joseph 8
all born in county
The minimum age for a boy seaman in the Royal navy was 15 & a quarter up to December 1914. There were training ships that trained boys for the merchant & Royal Navy and educated them -usual joining age was 11 or 12. School leaving age was 12 or 13 at that time depending on local bye laws.
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html?trainingships/trainingships.shtml
Dave, thanks for sorting out which Percy died. Can't believe I forgot about the online Phillack records - I've spent hours going through ones form earlier years.
By the way, you might want to remove that 1911 census before the copyright editor does.
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Elizabeth Trestrail 73 of Bodriggy Road was buried 28/11/1900 in Phillack. William 85, same address, was buried 19/3/1904.
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This is fantastic. If Elizabeth Powning and William Trestrail were my grandfather's grandparents, can I find out who their children were? One of them would be my grandfather's parent. Thank you so much for these death / burial records.
I appreciate it so much.
Still the missing link - my Grandfather, Percival Powning Trestrail's parents. If they were NOT Albert and Minnie Jenkins, who were they?
Why did I give my sons those leather bound family tree books I spent years working on?? Both of my grown sons have misplaced them.
ei yi yi yi yi
I will try and find my grandfather's military records, next.
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It is so sad that you have misplaced these documents.. But now you can get them all again (hopefully) and keep them on disc or pen safe. Your sons will also regret misplacing them one day!
xin
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Aaargh, I just typed up a long post which my computer then lost. and now I haven't time to repeat as I have to go to work. I have all the Testrail family census entries from 1851 on. Minnie is not her given name, she's really Emily Eliza and she did marry a Jenkin, but Joseph, not Albert in 1893.
William's parents' marriage
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/moreinfo.php?ID=388721&dbtype=marriages&formval=
His baptism was 8/3/1818 shows on this site
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~phillack/phillack_pr.htm
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Thank you for taking the time to write that letter. So annoying when the computer acts up. I am so blown away by this site and all the kind help you've been providing in such an amazingly short time.
I only have one brother. The Trestrail family from Percival & Bessie Trestrail's end is rather small. The name will not go on forever on this end, but descendants will.
I emailed to my brother, James William, (he has no listed permanent house address or phone number to contact him) and asked if he took any of our Grandfather Percival Powning Trestrail's (died June 22 1968 in NY) Naval metals after our father, William Percival Trestrail passed away on Feb. 22 1984. HE DID. My brother has a metal detector and is collecting many rare old coins in the town of Southold, Long Island, NY. Many King George II coins, and other rare coins from 1600's in a town that was once ruled by the English and the Duke. He loves old coins and metals.
WELL GUESS WHAT he had in his jewerly box? My Grandfather, Percy's metal. I want to send a picture of it. Maybe through the number on it we can get my grandfather's parent's name right.
L.S.R.N. 222034 - that was his naval number I know my grandfather was in the Boar War and the First World War.
Long Standing Royal Navy
Linda Trestrail
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Everyone called my grandfather, Percy. I think he was not fond of the name Percival. My Dad said his name was Percival Powning Archibald Trestrail. And he laughed when he said it. The date of my Grandfather's birth is wrong on this document. It is not Feb. 16, but Feb. 26th. Because my brother found that medal, I was able to find this document. Now on to finding my Grandfather's birth certificate. I think there are more medals somewhere.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?queryType=1&resultcount=1&Edoc_Id=6942931
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William's death cert ref is March qtr 1904 Redruth 5c 183 age 85 whilst Eliza's is Dec qtr 1900 Redruth 5c 136 age 76.
Their children are:
Mary Jane born about 1844 (possibly Dec qtr 1844 Redruth 9 267)
Elizabeth Ann born about 1849
Charlotte Powning bapt 4 Dec 1855 Phillack
Thomas G Powning born March qtr 1861 Redruth 5c 307
Eliza Emily born June qtr 1866 Redruth 5c 326
Thomas G P married Matilda Goldsack Sept qtr 1882 Redruth 5c360 & moved to Gateshead.
Eliza Emily (Minnie) married William Henry Jenkin March qtr 1893 Redruth 5c 329
William H & Eliza E's second child (the first boy) was bapt William Arthur Powning Jenkin on 20 February 1896 at Phillack. The family were living in Bodriggy St in the 1901 Census but Eliza E was a widow by the 1911. Elizabeth Ann Trestrail had moved in with Eliza Emily & family by then.
I have not located any other bapt- other than Charlotte's. Were the others bapt?, if so, where?
Dave
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1891 Prospect Place, Phillack RG12/1852 folio 50 pg 34
William Trestrail head mar 72 showmaker b. Phillack
Eliza wife 68 b. Goldsithney
Elizabeth dau single 40 chair caner b. Goldsithney (blind from childhood)
Minnie dau single 25 tailoress b. Hayle
Percy grandson 5 b. Hayle
1901 Bodiggy St, Phillack RG13/2245 folio 59 pg 14
William Trestrail head widower 83 shoemaker b. Phillack
Elizabeth A dau 50 chair caner b. Perranuthnoe (blind)
Percy grandson 15 work (?) boy (farm) b. Phillack
Hi Dave,
Thank you for writing tonight. This is time consuming stuff. I was amazed when I went into a site (???) from Cornwall and just typed in Trestrail for ALL records. Blimey It went back to 1600 and many of the Trestrails came from the Truro area. (Kenwyn parish)
What I sent (above) is what someone sent (maybe you or osprey). It is a census that only includes 2 children Elizabeth and Minnie at the time, and my GRANDFATHER is listed as a household member but as "grandson". He is listed at age 5 and age 15.
WHERE WERE HIS PARENTS AND WHO ARE THEY? How do I find his birth certificate? I understand I have to pay for it. That would be a big help to me to send a link.
Note the reason Elizabeth moved in with Minnie is because she was BLIND.
So are we related, do you think? It all started in 1278 in Probus.
sleep tight
in loving kindness,
Linda Trestrail
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You can order a copy of his birth cert from at the cost of £9.25. They take credit cards.
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
You need the GRO ref
Percy Powning Trestrail march qtr 1886 Redruth vol 5c pg 233
Perhaps he added a year to his age to join up earlier?
census as promissed
1851 North of Trevassack, Phillack HO107/1916 folio 662 pg 47
William Trestrail head mar 32 shoemaker
Eliza wife 29 b. Perrranuthnoe
Mary jane dau 6
Elizabeth Ann dau 2
all born Phillack except where stated
1861 Back Row, Hayle RG9/1586 folio 100 pg 37
William Trestrail head mar 43 shoemaker
Eliza wife 40 b. Perranuthnoe
Mary J dau 17
Elizth Ann dau 12 blind
Charlott dau 6
Thomas son 4 months
all born Phillack unless otherwise stated
1871 Prospect Place, Hayle RG10/2327 folio 72 pg 61
William Trestrail head mra 52 shoemaker
Eliza wife 49 b. Perranuthnoe
Thomas G P son 10
Eliza Emily dau 4
all born Phillack unless otherwise stated
1881 Prospect Place, hayle RG11/2337 folio 66 pg 57
Wm Trestrail head mar 60 shoemaker b. Phillack
Eliza wife 58 b. Ludgvan
Minnie dau 14 b. Phillack
you can get transcriptions of the Cornwall census here
http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
As there seems to be no sign of baptisms in the Phillack records, I wonder if the family became non-conformist?
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OK here is what I think. I think Minnie was his mother. She may have had a child out of wedlock. The family you gave to me is obviously Percy's grandparents. I needed to look at his grandparent's children's names, and now the list has grown. It makes sense to me that one of William and Eliza's children is my grandfather's parent. I remember it stating on the (lost) birth certificate that his mother was Minnie Jenkins. Minnie was 25 and my grandfather was 5 and they were listed under the same household with William and Eliza. I believe Minnie is his mother and then later she married a Jenkins at age 28. My Grandfather would have been 8 when she married William Jenkins. (Eliza Emily (Minnie) married William Henry Jenkin March qtr 1893 Redruth 5c 329.) If my grandfather's mother gave birth out of wedlock, she would have named him her maiden name, Trestrail.
Ah, now it is beginning to make sense. My grandfather did not have brothers and sisters, either.
Maybe that is why there is no baptism. I even looked under the Phillack files for out of wedlock children and there is nothing. Maybe they wanted to keep it quiet. I remember Albert Trestrail as being named his father. Could he have been a parental guardian?
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As I've already mentioned, you can get a copy of the birth from the GRO to confirm parentage.
He may have been baptised in the Methodist Church. The online parish clerk has some records. I've checked St Elwyn's, he's not there
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~phillack/st_elwyns.htm
He also has some Hayle Methodist circuit available to look up
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~phillack/
No idea what a parental guardian is. If you come across a guardian being appointed, it usually involved money or an inheritance, and I doubt this family needed one or had the means to acquire one.
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The parents of William were John Trestrail & Elizabeth Hosking. They were married in Phillack on 3 March 1811. John was buried 6 Aug 1824 aged 40 whilst Elizabeth was buried 12 Aug 1850 age 58 ( both Phillack). Their children were:
John bapt 7 June 1811 Phillack
Richard bapt 13 Sept 1812 Phillack married Elizabeth Mia Struges Penrose 23 Nov 1835 Phillack
Elizabeth bapt 12 Mar 1815 Phillack
William bapt 8 March 1818 Phillack married Eliza Powning 1843
James bapt 7 May 1820 Phillack
Thomas bapt 9 March 1823 Phillack married Charlotte Curtis 27 Aug1846 Phillack
Albert was the son of Thomas & Charlotte.
Elizabeth Ann was in a Blind Institute in Plymouth in 1881 with 18 other boarders.
1881 RG11/2206 folio 73 page 8 ed 4 sch 42 56&57 St Aubyn St + 21&22 Market St
Elizabeth A, boarder, unm,31, chaircaner, Phillack, blind
Trestrail or Trestrayle as it was first spelt is also a place name near Probus. Early mention of the family in the C16 appear in Veryan, Creed & Kenwyn (neighbouring parishes) & then, in the C17, spread out a bit further. The Trestrails of Redruth can be placed into three families- the earliest in 1714.
Dave
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Hi Linda,
The medal in the photo is the 1914-15 Star. A good link on who was entitled to it can be found on http://www.northeastmedals.co.uk/britishguide/ww1_1914_15star.httm. The other two medals that are common for someone that served during WW1 are the Victory Medal 1914-19 & British War Medal.
Another translation for the initials "LSRN" may be "Leading Seaman Royal Navy"
By the way the Navy was also serving as solders in the trenches in France (under the names of Navy ships!)
Dave
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Hi Linda,
Check out "UK, Naval Medal & Award Rolls 1793- 1972" on Ancestry. It shows :
Trestrail Percy,AB,222034 issued with Star, Victory Medal, Bristish War Medal.
Any luck with Percy's birth cert yet?
Dave
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Grandfather was Percival Powning Trestrail born Feb. 26th 1886 married to Bessie Knight born March 29th 1893. They lived at 5 Clifton Terrace in Hayle - row housing My grandfather was a mariner and worked with the British Navy for 20 years. They had one son, my father, William Percival Trestrail - born Jan. 7 1924. They sailed to New York around 1928.
I THOUGHT my grandfather, Percival Trestrail's parents were Albert Trestrail (born around 1860) and Minnie (Jenkin) Trestrail. They lived on Bodriggy Rd. in Hayle. It's like my grandfather's parents just vanished with no records. It also seems he lived with his grandfather and grandmother at age 15. Maybe while he was on the naval ships at a young age, something happened to his parents. But why no record. I will have to find or purchase his birth certificate.
UPDATE: MY GRANDFATHER'S MOTHER WAS ELIZA EMILY (MINNIE) TRESTRAIL - NO FATHER LISTED. HE LIVED WITH HIS MOTHER & HIS GRANDPARENTS UNTIL ELIZA GOT MARRIED TO A WILLIAM HENRY JENKIN IN 1893 AND MY GRANDFATHER CONTINUTED TO LIVE WITH HIS GRANDPARENTS - WILLIAM AND ELIZA TRESTRAIL.
I was told my great grandparents are buried in the Hayle church graveyard, but I could not find their tombstone in 1990 when I visited the church.
Bessie (Knight) Trestrail's father was John Thomas Knight of Hayle. I didn't have a record of Bessie Knight Trestrail's mother, but thanks to this great site, I found out today that her name was Bessie (Tremlett) Knight.
Percival and Bessie Trestrail were married in
Parash Phillack of Hayle
S. Elwyn Vicarage
Wesleyian
P.E. & Berry - Pastor
on Feb. 3rd 1923
My grandfather, Percival Powning Trestrail, was in the Royal Navy. He sailed out of St. Ives either to come to America or with the Navy. We were told he was only SEVEN when he boarded the Naval ships, trained, and took off to sea. I think that is incorrect. They made laws to protect young children, except under odd circumstances or pauper laws.
Once in New York, my father went to New York City public schools, and he met my Mother whose family was from Cambourne, Cornwall. My mother's name was Elizabeth Joan Gill. That will be under another subject title. Mother's grandfather's surname was Uren. Mother's mother, Rubina Uren married Horace Gill of Cambourne.
My parents William and Elizabeth (Gill) Trestrail had two children, my Brother James William Trestrail, and myself, Linda Joan Trestrail.
I had lots of family documents and gave them to my two sons inside two leather bound family tree books and both of them misplaced or tossed out the books. I'm devastated over their loss.
In August 1990, I had been to Cornwall, Cambourne, Hayle and visited Phillack, and the minister took me to a Trestrail family who lived on the sea. Ken and Rachael Trestrail lived at 82 Gwithian Towans in Hayle. They were not related to my family.
Trestrail - from tre-strayl: homestead of mat or carpet (maker). Place name Trestrail, Probus, spelt Trestrael 1278
Anyone related to me?
Linda Joan Trestrail
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Hi,
I noticed that the surname WOOLCOCK is among your list of ancestors. My paternal grandfather was Alfred Woolcock of Hayle b. 1910. Wondering if you have any info to share on that family?
Thanks,
Kathleen