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Title: Thistle Street Glasgow 1912
Post by: Pricey4848 on Tuesday 15 June 10 17:39 BST (UK)
My grandmother was born at 317 THISTLE STREET, GLASGOW 1912....can anybody tell me if the street and houses still exist and/or tell me a little about the Street and area....
Also she was married at 162 BROOMFIELD ROAD, GLASGOW ( Church of Scotland?) and at the time of her marriage was a domestic servant, living in, THORNCROFT, THORN ROAD, BEARSDEN....any info really appreciated....by the way she was born Janet Heron and married a Joseph McKinnon...any information greatly appreciated as I am taking my Mum upto Glasgow in July and hope to locate some of these locations.
Title: Re: Thistle Street Glasgow 1912
Post by: cookies4 on Tuesday 15 June 10 19:18 BST (UK)
Thistle Street was at the Gorbals area of Glasgow. I'm afraid the whole area is unrecognisable from when your grandmother stayed there. It has been built over a couple of times since then.

You can see a picture in 1917 at http://www.mitchelllibrary.org/virtualmitchell/image.php?i=17569&r=2&t=4&x=1

The house at Thorn Road is probably still the same though. If you enter G61 4BS in to Google Maps you'll be able to see the houses there. A visit should hopefully show the actual house name.

At Google Maps again using the street view you can see that 162 Broomfield Road is indeed a church but appears to be a Catholic Church.
Title: Re: Thistle Street Glasgow 1912
Post by: Pricey4848 on Wednesday 16 June 10 01:53 BST (UK)
Thistle Street was at the Gorbals area of Glasgow. I'm afraid the whole area is unrecognisable from when your grandmother stayed there. It has been built over a couple of times since then.

You can see a picture in 1917 at http://www.mitchelllibrary.org/virtualmitchell/image.php?i=17569&r=2&t=4&x=1

The house at Thorn Road is probably still the same though. If you enter G61 4BS in to Google Maps you'll be able to see the houses there. A visit should hopefully show the actual house name.

At Google Maps again using the street view you can see that 162 Broomfield Road is indeed a church but appears to be a Catholic Church.

Thanks  do you know what a Minister of Somerville Church of Scotland might inidicate as this minister married my Grandmother at this location??
Title: Re: Thistle Street Glasgow 1912
Post by: cookies4 on Wednesday 16 June 10 08:48 BST (UK)
Sorry I can't say I've ever heard of it.

The only reference I can find to anything related to the name is this -

http://gdl.cdlr.strath.ac.uk/airgli/airgli0234.htm
What exactly does it say in the 1st column?

A look at Glasgow Valuation Rolls in 1914 shows 162 Broomfield Road as a 'House'. So perhaps it was then and maybe the numbers have changed.

A visit to The Mitchell Library might help to see what the address gives in the valuation roll for the year your Gran married.

Glasgow postcode finder gives this result for today.

Immaculate Heart Of Mary
162 Broomfield Road
GLASGOW
G21 3UE

Title: Re: Thistle Street Glasgow 1912
Post by: Pricey4848 on Wednesday 16 June 10 09:42 BST (UK)
Sorry I can't say I've ever heard of it.

The only reference I can find to anything related to the name is this -

http://gdl.cdlr.strath.ac.uk/airgli/airgli0234.htm
What exactly does it say in the 1st column?

A look at Glasgow Valuation Rolls in 1914 shows 162 Broomfield Road as a 'House'. So perhaps it was then and maybe the numbers have changed.

A visit to The Mitchell Library might help to see what the address gives in the valuation roll for the year your Gran married.

Glasgow postcode finder gives this result for today.

Immaculate Heart Of Mary
162 Broomfield Road
GLASGOW
G21 3UE


column 1
when where married

22 june 1938

162 broomfield road glasgow
after publication according to the forms(?) of the church of scotland

in column 6 where minister details required

signed
donald m mckenzie
minister of somerville church of scotland glasgow

Title: Re: Thistle Street Glasgow 1912
Post by: MonicaL on Wednesday 16 June 10 09:53 BST (UK)
I wonder if it is anything to connected to this www.fordsall.com/somerville.htm - not sure if this fits with the address/ area you have for the marriage.

Monica  :)
Title: Re: Thistle Street Glasgow 1912
Post by: hemmy on Wednesday 16 June 10 20:51 BST (UK)
 :o My GGP's lived at 317 in 1884.

I'll need to dig out census etc and see how long they lived there.  I do have a few addresses in the Gorbals for them though.

Heather
Title: Re: Thistle Street Glasgow 1912
Post by: Falkyrn on Wednesday 16 June 10 23:12 BST (UK)
Part of Thistle Street still exists although there are no longer any houses built on it (it runs alongside the Nautical College). In 1912 the area would have been very densely populated with the vast majority of the housing being one or two room flats in tenement buildings with a number of industrial premises sited in the midst of the houses.

Nearby was the Dixons Blazes industrial area which included major ironworks and blast furnaces - described in one book as "an aspect of hell" (possibly due to the smoke belching from the chimneys and the night sky lit up by flames from the works). (the last of these closed in the late 1950's)

I believe that if the marriage was performed by a Church of Scotland Minister that the house found in the 1914 valuation rolls is the more likely location for the marriage ceremony as it was normal practice for weddings to be held either in the Ministers Manse or in the Brides own home (it wasn't until much later that the Church of Scotland began using the actual church buildings for the ceremony)
Title: Re: Thistle Street Glasgow 1912
Post by: Pricey4848 on Thursday 17 June 10 20:43 BST (UK)
Part of Thistle Street still exists although there are no longer any houses built on it (it runs alongside the Nautical College). In 1912 the area would have been very densely populated with the vast majority of the housing being one or two room flats in tenement buildings with a number of industrial premises sited in the midst of the houses.

Nearby was the Dixons Blazes industrial area which included major ironworks and blast furnaces - described in one book as "an aspect of hell" (possibly due to the smoke belching from the chimneys and the night sky lit up by flames from the works). (the last of these closed in the late 1950's)

I believe that if the marriage was performed by a Church of Scotland Minister that the house found in the 1914 valuation rolls is the more likely location for the marriage ceremony as it was normal practice for weddings to be held either in the Ministers Manse or in the Brides own home (it wasn't until much later that the Church of Scotland began using the actual church buildings for the ceremony)
My Gran was born Thistle Street 1912 but married in 1938.........hope this helps and thanks for all the posts so far
Title: Re: Thistle Street Glasgow 1912
Post by: Falkyrn on Thursday 17 June 10 20:51 BST (UK)
2 of my main families lived in Thistle Street and worked in the surrounding area - although the lines were never to mix until the marriage of my parents.
Title: Re: Thistle Street Glasgow 1912
Post by: Pricey4848 on Thursday 17 June 10 22:13 BST (UK)
:o My GGP's lived at 317 in 1884.

I'll need to dig out census etc and see how long they lived there.  I do have a few addresses in the Gorbals for them though.

Heather
heather   thanks for the reply
My gran Janet Heron was the daughter of Robert George Heron whom was an engineer.
Robert George`s dad was James Heron who was the Head Gardener at Pollok House from 1877 to his death 1922............
Title: Re: Thistle Street Glasgow 1912
Post by: Pricey4848 on Monday 28 June 10 10:22 BST (UK)
If i wanted to visit the area where 317 Thistle Street once stood where would i need to go...what is built there now...any sources or advice welcome.....
Title: Re: Thistle Street Glasgow 1912
Post by: Falkyrn on Monday 28 June 10 10:28 BST (UK)
If i wanted to visit the area where 317 Thistle Street once stood where would i need to go...what is built there now...any sources or advice welcome.....

The area is on the south side of the River Clyde and on the verge of the area known as the Gorbals - primarily you have houses and light industrial units in the area.

Visit Google Maps or any other online mapping source type in "Thistle Street, Glasgow" and you should get a view of the place.
Title: Re: Thistle Street Glasgow 1912
Post by: cookies4 on Monday 28 June 10 10:31 BST (UK)
If i wanted to visit the area where 317 Thistle Street once stood where would i need to go...what is built there now...any sources or advice welcome.....

Just put Thistle Street, Glasgow in to Google Maps Street View and you'll see how it looks today. Nothing like what it would have looked like in the early 20th century.

If you're in Glasgow a visit to The Mitchell Library may show more photographs as it looked then.
Title: Re: Thistle Street Glasgow 1912
Post by: Falkyrn on Monday 28 June 10 10:37 BST (UK)
Unfortunately the Mitchell Library only has one image online of Thistle Street which was highlighted in an earlier post click here for link to  image (http://www.mitchelllibrary.org/virtualmitchell/image.php?i=17569&r=2&t=4&x=1).

The whole Gorbals area has undergone considerable "regeneration" since that photograph was taken and has been subjected to at least 2 complete rebuilds to come to todays look.
Title: Re: Thistle Street Glasgow 1912
Post by: Pricey4848 on Monday 28 June 10 11:24 BST (UK)
Unfortunately the Mitchell Library only has one image online of Thistle Street which was highlighted in an earlier post click here for link to  image (http://www.mitchelllibrary.org/virtualmitchell/image.php?i=17569&r=2&t=4&x=1).

The whole Gorbals area has undergone considerable "regeneration" since that photograph was taken and has been subjected to at least 2 complete rebuilds to come to todays look.
Would it have to be the above Thistle street or could it be another at Kirkintilloch, Glasgow, Lanarkshire...Google maps comes up with this location too for Thistle Street Glasgow....???   On the birth certificate it says in the " district of Gorbals in the burgh of Glasgow"
Title: Re: Thistle Street Glasgow 1912
Post by: Falkyrn on Monday 28 June 10 14:08 BST (UK)
It would have been the Gorbals Thistle Street - Kirkintilloch is a few miles away, to the North of the City
Title: Re: Thistle Street Glasgow 1912
Post by: apanderson on Monday 28 June 10 14:53 BST (UK)
There's some 1970'S photos here: (including one of part of Thistle Street)

http://urbanglasgow.co.uk/about1236.html

Anne
Title: Re: Thistle Street Glasgow 1912
Post by: Pricey4848 on Tuesday 29 June 10 00:09 BST (UK)
Excellent photos and site...thank you...i am in Glasgow this Friday and intend to locate Thistle Street and also a house called THORNCROFT, Thorn Road, Bearsden...my grandmother was a servant at this house at the time of her marriage in 1938 at 162 Broomfield Road, Glasgow ( Church??)
Title: Re: Thistle Street Glasgow 1912
Post by: cookies4 on Tuesday 29 June 10 10:14 BST (UK)
Excellent photos and site...thank you...i am in Glasgow this Friday and intend to locate Thistle Street and also a house called THORNCROFT, Thorn Road, Bearsden...my grandmother was a servant at this house at the time of her marriage in 1938 at 162 Broomfield Road, Glasgow ( Church??)

If you're visiting the Gorbals pop in to the Library at Crown Street and have a look at a book called 'The Gorbals an Illustrated History'.. There is an old, very detailed,  map of the streets in 1910 and on pages 61 and 67 pictures of the back courts at Thistle Street in the 1960s.
You'll have to use your imagination a bit to visualise what it would have looked like when your gran was wee, as by then they were in a dilapidated state, but this is where she would have played when she was a child.

Regards,
Annette
Title: Re: Thistle Street Glasgow 1912
Post by: Pricey4848 on Thursday 01 July 10 10:25 BST (UK)
Thank you...i am visiting eastwood cemetery late morning then have some work in coatbridge but i will drop in during afternoon to look...thanks
Title: Re: Thistle Street Glasgow 1912
Post by: Pricey4848 on Saturday 03 July 10 10:56 BST (UK)
Excellent photos and site...thank you...i am in Glasgow this Friday and intend to locate Thistle Street and also a house called THORNCROFT, Thorn Road, Bearsden...my grandmother was a servant at this house at the time of her marriage in 1938 at 162 Broomfield Road, Glasgow ( Church??)

If you're visiting the Gorbals pop in to the Library at Crown Street and have a look at a book called 'The Gorbals an Illustrated History'.. There is an old, very detailed,  map of the streets in 1910 and on pages 61 and 67 pictures of the back courts at Thistle Street in the 1960s.
You'll have to use your imagination a bit to visualise what it would have looked like when your gran was wee, as by then they were in a dilapidated state, but this is where she would have played when she was a child.

Regards,
Annette
Annete  Im sorry i didnt get to the library as i ran out of time by the time i had visited Eastwood Cemetery and completed my business in Coatbridge.
I am brining my mum to Pollok Estate in a couple of weeks and we will drop by then to view the maps....thanks again.

Lee
Title: Re: Thistle Street Glasgow 1912
Post by: Pricey4848 on Wednesday 28 July 10 21:49 BST (UK)
I made it to Eastwood Cemetery and thanks to the fantastic help of one of the Cemetery staff we found my Great x 2 Grandfather`s lairs but unfortunately they did not  yhave headstones which was a shame.....I`m taking my mum to visit family location in and around Glasgow tomorrow for her Birthday and we are going to visit Thistle Street, Gorbals, Pollok House, Eastwood Cemetery, Broomfield Road, Springburn and hopefully Thorn Road, Bearsden if time allows and the traffic is kind to us....really looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Thistle Street Glasgow 1912
Post by: morrisl100 on Sunday 22 April 12 20:38 BST (UK)
Evening

We are related!!

My husband is Paul Robert Morris
His father is Robert George Morris was Heron at birth, married to a Patricia nee Povey
His Grandmother is Emma Morris nee Heron who I believe is your mothers sister

Would love to get in touch, to learn more on the family tree, I too am a family tree addict
and research the family at Pollock Garden House.   

Lisa
Title: Re: Thistle Street Glasgow 1912
Post by: ambitubby on Friday 29 March 13 22:47 GMT (UK)
Hi there I came across your post while searching for Thistle Street on Google. I have just started to research my family tree and it has led me to Scotland. In your post you mention number 317 thistle street Glasgow,
that address appears on my paternal grandfather's baptism records. His name was William James Woodside does the Woodside surname mean anything to you.His year of birth is 1881.
Title: Re: Thistle Street Glasgow 1912
Post by: Pricey4848 on Saturday 30 March 13 09:29 GMT (UK)
Hi
That name doesn't feature unfortunately
My maternal Grandmother called Heron was born at Thistle street
Good luck and if you get any info re the address I'd be grateful
Title: Re: Thistle Street Glasgow 1912
Post by: IMBER on Saturday 30 March 13 09:34 GMT (UK)
 Adshead's 1936 Street Directory lists the Somerville Memorial Church (ie Church of Scotland) at 435 Keppochhill Road.The Minister is shown as D M Mackenzie. That sounds like your chap?

Imber
Title: Re: Thistle Street Glasgow 1912
Post by: ambitubby on Sunday 31 March 13 13:17 BST (UK)
Came across this, any help?
http://www.thegreggs.biz/gfhp/f250.htm
Title: Re: Thistle Street Glasgow 1912
Post by: colcal on Friday 21 December 18 19:43 GMT (UK)
Hi, I had family called Prior and Robertson that lived at 303, Thistle Street for many years, I would be interested if anyone has any knowledge of them
Regards Colcal
Title: Re: Thistle Street Glasgow 1912
Post by: almad on Monday 31 December 18 14:07 GMT (UK)
There are a few photos of Thistle street on Scotlands Places:

https://scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/search/place/Lanarkshire?id=18&keyword=thistle&f_on=1

regards
Title: Re: Thistle Street Glasgow 1912
Post by: colcal on Monday 31 December 18 20:36 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much Almad
Kind regards colcal