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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Glamorganshire => Wales => Glamorganshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: merrymoo on Tuesday 15 June 10 20:52 BST (UK)
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Please could someone look up the birth or christening of William (Willie) Thomas, b 1874, son of Edward and Martha Thomas of Ystalyfera, Llanguick, Glamorgan. Edward was a tailor. I have found him on the 1881 census for Ystalyfera as Willie
I also have his marriage to my grandmother Alice Ada Cox in 1902 in Southminster, Essex but I see that he is a widower and I can't find any info on his previous marriage.
If anyone could help I would be very grateful
thanks
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merrymoo,
Might this be him on the 1901 Census?
Mary A Nichols, Head, Widow, 64, Living on Own Means, b. Mannington
William Thomas, Lodger, Single, 27, Tailor, b. Glamorganshire Ystalyfon
Baynes, Arthur B, Lodger, Single, 28, Dredgerman, b. Burnham
Fitch, Bessie M, Niece, 4, b. London W
Address Chapel Rd, Burnham
Reg Dist Maldon, Sub District Southminster
The Enumarator has recorded "Glamorganshire,Ystalyfon".
regards
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Hello
Here they are in 1891:
Edward Thomas Head Age 45 Tailor born Llandeusant
Martha Thomas wife Age 39 born Ystalyfera
Willie Thomas son Age 17 Tailor born Ystalyfera
Ivor Thomas Son Age 15 Tinman born Ystalyfera
R A Thomas Daughter Age 14 born Ystalyfera
T A Thomas Daughter Age 11 At School born Ystalyfera
May M Thomas Daughter Age 9 At School born Ystalyfera
Ernest Thomas Son Age 6 At School born Ystalyfera
Edith Thomas Daughter Age 4 At School born Ystalyfera
Joseph W Geach Apprentice Age 14 Tailor Born South Shields
Address: Paris House, Alltygrug Parcel, Pontardawe
RG12 4468/9 Page 77
Morgan
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Thanks guys for both of those, :-* all I need to find now is his birth details and his first marriage if indeed there was one. ??? I noticed that he's single on the 1901 census but on his marriage certificate in 1902 he's a widower. I hope he's not a bigamist!! :-[
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Hello
It will be more difficult to find his first marriage as we don't know when or where it took place, and his name is very common, especially in Wales. There are around 8 to 10 of that name per year in Neath registration district during the relevant period. If someone could look at Llanguicke marriages, you may get a match but only if his bride was from the same area. :)
I also found this reference from London Gazette April 10th 1866 which shows that a previous resident at Paris House may have left around 1865:
John Evans, of Paris House, Ystalyfera, in the county of Glamorgan, Draper and Grocer, adjudicated bankrupt on the 24th day of November, 1865. An Order of Discharge was granted by the County Court of Glamorganshire, holden at Neath, on the 5th day of April 1866
Best Wishes
Morgan
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Was in Swansea Archives yesterday and checking the Llanguick marriage register was on my list. Didn't have time to get round to it, still on the list but will be there again later today and will check.
regards
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Thanks to both I appreciate your help :)
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Hi, that was interesting about the previous occupant of Paris House, my family moved there between 1881 and 1891 so maybe they moved in after the bancruptcy.
Actually, thinking about it, I wonder if the house they lived in on the 1881 census could be Paris House (it is next door to Italian House :-\) as it is described as the Tailors and Drapers Shop but when I looked up the enumeration district for each year they didn't look like the same place. Perhaps someone with a more knowledgeable eye could tell me.
I also see on the Swansea archives there is a set of 3 pictures including Paris House. The ref is D/D Z 448/11-13 can you tell me how I could get to see this picture without going to Swansea?
thanks again to everyone who has helped :)
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Hi, that was interesting about the previous occupant of Paris House, my family moved there between 1881 and 1891 so maybe they moved in after the bancruptcy
Sorry misread the date as 1885 not 1865 :-[
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merrymoo.
I could only find the following marriage registration for the Church of St Ciwg, Parish of Llanguicke, March 19, 1898, by Banns -
William Thomas, 23, Bachelor, Tailor, Alltwen, Father David Thomas, Proffession Assorter
Margaret Jane Davies, 21, Spinster, Pontardawe, Father David John Davies, Deceased
Witnesses - William Frederick Davies/Griffith E Evans
Checked the 1901 Census and Edward Thomas, Tailor and Draper still living at Paris House.
regards
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Hello - I think we have a link. The Thomas' are in our Family Bible. I would gladly send you a copy of the page if you think it would be of use.
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Ooooh, I would love to see it I will send you my email address on the private message system.
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OK. I'm just starting my research, however, if we are linked then I can assure you that the Thomas' come from very very strong farming stock hehe x
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Hi,
did you get my email address?
My grandfather's ancestors seem to be farmers and the farm where Edward Thomas was living (William Thomas father) was Bedw-hirion, St Mawr, Llandeusant, Carmarthen. Does any of this ring a bell?
Looking forward to seeing the page.
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I've got your link. Read the page from our Family Bible and you will see Paris House. Edward Thomas Born 1846 died 1912 and Martha Thomas Born 1851 died Jan 19th 1923
I think their son, Willie is: William Thomas Died Feb 10th 1941 in Essex somewhere ????
I'm emailing your the page from our family bible no.
HEATHER
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Can I have your email.....I can only reply through Roots? HEATHER
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Thats definitely my family, are you having trouble emailing? I replied to your email address ****@newshound.co.uk this morning, you should find it there, I don't like to put my email address on a public site. Good luck
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Just spoken to my dad....it appears that Edward & Martha's son had to leave the village: he did something shameful but he doesn't know what. I'll try and get that copy to you.
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Oh, I did wonder how he got to Essex, it says on the 1901 census in Essex he was single but on his marriage certificate in 1902 it says he was a widower. the family were alway cagey about him and I could never find a marriage for him before my nan in 1902!! The plot thickens.
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Oh how interesting. Well I'll keep digging. Mind you being naughty then, and being naughty now are two different things; these little villages can be nasty places to live, and people are as nosey as ever. Let me know if you receive the email I sent (via Roots) with the attachments?
Actually my neighbour, who's 90, is from Ystalyfera, and still has a sister living there. I wonder if she would know? I will have a chat when I see her.
The Bible I have was given to Margaret Ann who was my dads grandmother, when she left home on March 4th 1903. The Bible is in Welsh, which gives you a hint of strong Welsh-speaking heritage. William Thomas (the naughty boy) died Feb 10th 1941 in Burnham on Crouch Essex? Strangely my dad used to keep his boat in Burnham-on-crouch.
The Thomas line lived in a beautiful little farm in Rhosaman/Brynamman, called "Llwyn Farm." When Gwilym (William) Williams and Elinor (Eleanor?) died their two daughters took over the farm: they were spinsters. Dad said they used to walk down to the village to buy a copy of the NEWS OF THE WORLD, where they devoured the gossip. They were a couple of "tough birds!"
Gwilym (William) Williams: born 1845 died 1919
Eleanor came from Maespant, Gwynfe) and was born 30.8.1848
The above couple were married at Llwyn Farm. They had 11 children:
John 1869 - 2.3.1881
Mary 3.5.1872 - 29.1.1959 MARRIED WILLIAM JONES (BLAENCWMTEG)
Morgan 1873 MARRIED ELIZABETH PHELPS
Thomas 1876 - 11.12.1881
Margaret Ann (my grt grandmother) 1878 MARRIED THOMAS THOMAS
Gwilym 1880 MARRIED CATHERINE JONES
Elizabeth 1882 - 29.12.1959
Richard 1884 MARRIED MARY JONES
David 1885 MARRIED MARY DEAN
Rachel 1887 - 29.5.1954
Gomer 28.7.1888
....and the above's children are listed too.....
There's a little boys name written in the bible: Eddie Thomas who was born March 3rd 1907 but, sadly, died in February 1910.
We have an extensive, written, family tree going back to 1719. My grt. grt. grt. grt grandparents were Thomas and Elizabeth Williams who lived at "Rhiwddu, Gwynfe in Llangadog). Gwynfe is THE most gorgeous place and is in the same area as Carreg Cennen Castle. Again this was/is farming country.
I have all the children listed: there are a lot of names and dates. Let me know if you receive the email or if I can be of any help. I would gladly send you a copy of the family tree if you like.
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I havn't received any other messages other than your last. Can you send it directly through the ordinary email, I did put my email address on the personal messages section at the top of this page? Can I help you any more with this?
Your neighbour from Ystalyfera might remember William's sister, my great aunt Edith Thomas, who remained unmarried, and her sister May who were elementary school teachers and lived at Lower Cwmtwrch.
My husband and I recently visited Ystalyfera and Lower Cwmtwrch and the house where they lived at Gurnos Cross (house name Dan y Coed) was pointed out to us by a man who remembered Edith as a teacher. She used to write to me when I was a little girl back in the 50's early 60's.
My grandad, however naughty he was in Wales, did enlist during WW1 and was gassed in the trenches in France. He died in 1941, as you say, apparently as the result of a bomb dropping in Burnham, apparently it caused him to have heart failure and he subsequently died in hospital in Chelmsford.
I am really looking forward to seeing how your Williams family are related to my Thomas family
Diane
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NO I can't find your email address, however, here's mine: * so if you mail me I can then send the page to you, and I can have the family tree copied onto A4 and scan that to you as well.
HEATHER X
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Hi William
My name is Mike Jones and have recently started researching my family tree.My great grandfather times four was also Thomas Williams of Rhiwddu and I would be interested to know your connection.Mine is as follows .Thomas Williams son John Williams married Anne Morgan of Nant y moch(daughter of John Morgan,farmer.).Their son Thomas Williams married Elizabeth Davies of Brynamman(daughter of Griffith Davies,quarryman of Brynamman).Their daughter Mary Anne Williams married David Jones(son of John Jones ,coal miner of Pantycelyn,Brynamman).Their son John Jones married my grandmother Gladys Wilson(born llandilofawr)and had my father.
I would be interested to here from any one connected to any of these people or with any knowledge of them.
Thanks
Mike Jones
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Hello Mike :)
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Kind Regards
Morgan
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I know this is a very late reply, but Eleanor and William were my Great Great Grandparents too and Mary and William Jones were my great grand parents and my grandfather was born in Blaencwmteg