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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Fermanagh => Topic started by: mcgyver on Wednesday 16 June 10 04:25 BST (UK)
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Joseph CAMPBELL born about 1772 Magheracross, Fermanagh Ireland married Jane CAINS born about 1776 Magheracross, Fermanagh Ireland.
Am trying to find Joseph and Jane's parents/grandparents.
I know they had a son Robert CAMPBELL born 12 November 1784 Fermanagh. He married Bridget McCANN about 1814 Ireland. They travelled to NSW Australia on the “Susan” with their 4 sons on 10 March 1839.
John CAMPBELL born 1 May 1818 Fermanagh.
Samuel CAMPBELL born November 1821 Fermanagh.
Robert CAMPBELL Jnr born 12 September 1823 at Magheracross Fermanagh.
Thomas CAMPBELL born 1 May 1826 at Magheracross Fermanagh.
Robert's daughter Jane Campbell born 31 March 1812 Drumsole, m. Thomas Muldoon in 1833. Jane and Thomas Muldoon sailed to NSW Australia aboard 'Adam Lodge' in 1837 with their 2 boys and 2 girls.
Any help would be appreciated.
mcgyver :)
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Hello there, did you ever get the answer to your questions on Joseph and Robert Campbell's parents? I am directly descended from Robert and have been unable to verify his birth or that of Joseph. Can you assist me with anything that you have? I am very happy to share the tree from Robert down to modern times - it is an interesting tale. Deborah Monaghan (nee Campbell)
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were they shoe makers
have you seen this site
http://adamlodge1837.wordpress.com/2011/11/14/the-passengers-and-crew-of-the-adam-lodge/
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Hi there, thanks for the site recommendation - we have the right family. They were shoemakers. I have pretty good info from Robert down to modern times - it is the circumstances of his arrival and confirmation of his parents and the original Irish roots that I am stuck on. Also, Jane Campbell had many children by many different fathers - would love to work out all that over time. Deborah
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My great great grand mother was Mary Muldoon (one of Jane' s daughters) she married John Price and had 16 children, the. Youngest was my grand father Benjamin died in the 1930'S. He married Clara May Gordon. My father John was the ? Second youngest of 7 children.
My sister and our families know very little about the Price or the Gordon families. We never meet either grandparent or any other relatives
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I am descended from Robert Campbell, Jane's father. Are you sure that your relative Mary Muldoon married John Price as there is also some evidence that Jane Campbell was living with a John Price - I do hope it was not the same one, but Jane did have many husbands and partners, so it is a possibility.
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Hello dmonaghan,
I am sorry but Parramatta's email notifications do not seem to be working at the moment, it looks like they may have changed email address.....lets hope that they log back in again soon.
Regards
Sarah
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Hi All, I would like to revive this request as we still did not get the answer we needed. Is there anyone out there who can update further? Regards All
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Where did these come from??
John CAMPBELL born 1 May 1818 Fermanagh.
Samuel CAMPBELL born November 1821 Fermanagh.
Robert CAMPBELL Jnr born 12 September 1823 at Magheracross Fermanagh.
not in Magheracross Registers!!
**Thomas CAMPBELL born 1 May 1826 at Magheracross Fermanagh.
** Birth 3/4/1826 Thomas s/o Robert CAMPBELL + Bridget, Drumsloe is nearest.
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I am not mcgyver but I recognise this info - I believe that this might have come from the ship 'Adam Lodge' Register when they came to Australia. Robert Campbell and his wife Bridget McCann came to Australia as Free Settlers on the Adam Lodge. On the register they had said that they came from Fermanagh, Magherocross and Robert said his parents were Jane Cain and Joseph Campbell (in the army) - both deceased. They had the 4 boys with them and their ages were recorded as above - we assumed they were their children. Also, the register said that a daughter Jane was in the Colony already with her husband 'McDoon' We do know from other info that this should be Jane married to Muldoon. (but she certainly had many husbands/partners after coming to Australia, so she possibly could be Jane Muldoon after a second marriage) However, maybe all the 'drama' started once they got to the Colonies. What we don't know:
* no record of Jane Cain and Joseph Campbell marrying so we don't know Robert's parentage
* what Army? - we suspect Joseph could have been English come across the border for peace-keeping? but this is a suspicion, not a fact
* we can't find any record of Robert and Bridget marrying
Is there anyone out there who has access to Magherocross documents - Eniskillen also features in some info about this family so it is either Magherocross or Eniskillen.
After they came to Australia, a LOT of drama unfolded - it seems that while Robert was a good man, his children played up quite a bit. Thomas, his son, was under suspicion for no less than 3 murders, one of which was Jane's husband Robert Muldoon, one a neighbour - Jane and Thomas went to gaol for their part in this. Robert, the original patriarch, was himself murdered when he went to get some money out of the bank - it was a long horse journey and he was set upon and murdered. His wife Bridget remarried and her 2nd husband was murdered as well under dubious circumstances. I am a direct descendent of Robert Campbell, the patriarch and would dearly like to solve the mystery of where the Campbell's came from to move further back. Also, the Cains, McCanns and Muldoons must surely have all been local families.
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Whoops - Jane Muldoon and her husband Thomas came on the 'Adam Lodge'
Robert Campbell and his wife Bridget came on the 'Susan'
Just in case it is relevant to anyone who might be able to help us.
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Magheracross Registers start 1800.
They are online thanks to George Armstrong!
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/fermanagh/churches/maghercross-bap.htm
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/fermanagh/churches/maghercross-mar.htm
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/fermanagh/churches/magheracross-bur.htm
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Thank you - and thank you to George Armstrong - I remembered Ballinamallard featured in other documents, so will go through these - can't see too many Roberts with a Bridget with a quick search. I do hope we are not dealing with multiple marriages as it would be just too hard to tease out.....
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Thank you - and thank you to George Armstrong - I remembered Ballinamallard featured in other documents, so will go through these - can't see too many Roberts with a Bridget with a quick search. I do hope we are not dealing with multiple marriages as it would be just too hard to tease out.....
Only saw the one I posted earlier....
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Thomas CAMPBELL born 1 May 1826 at Magheracross Fermanagh.
Robert's daughter Jane Campbell born 31 March 1812 Drumsole, m. Thomas Muldoon in 1833. Jane and Thomas Muldoon sailed to NSW Australia aboard 'Adam Lodge' in 1837 with their 2 boys and 2 girls.
Any help would be appreciated.
mcgyver :)
**Thomas CAMPBELL born 1 May 1826 at Magheracross Fermanagh.
** Birth 3/4/1826 Thomas s/o Robert CAMPBELL + Bridget, Drumsloe is nearest.
https://www.logainm.ie/en/61201 Drumsloe
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Thank you Hallmark - these are the only 2 that I could see also that might be relevant. I think there is a possibility that Robert Campbell, Snr might have changed his birthdate as you had to be under 40 to take advantage of the Free Settler's bounty. However, on the 'Susan' register the DATES are very specific in terms of day, month and year for the kids. It does make it challenging - I can imagine someone changing the year, but ....also the month and day of the kids'??? It is a pity that there are no documents from before 1800 as I think Robert Snr would have been born in the 1790's.........
Interesting there are no Muldoons, Cains, McCanns in the Registers - I would have thought the families would have been from the same areas if they were inter-married. ?Any other pointers as to where to look, I would be very grateful to all.
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McGyver - where are you getting these very specific dates from? It would be good to compare stories as I have quite a bit of info AFTER they came to Australia, but can't find any documents proving their ancestry BEFORE they came to Australia. Perhaps between the 2 of us, we can provide what we know for sure, so we can fill the gaps
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1 May 1818 19 20
Drumsloe, Magheracross, Fermanagh, Ireland
Source: Monaro pioneers. [database on-line].
[Immigration] Immigration March 1839 (Age 20)
Sydney Cove, Greater Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
Source: Ancestry.com. New South Wales, Australia, Assisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1828-1896 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2007
Text: Assisted (bounty) immigrants who arrived in NSW aboard the ship Susan in March 1839:
- Robert Campbell, a native of Fermanagh Ireland parish of Magheracross, son of Joseph Campbell in the army and Jane Cains of the parish above married, now deceased, a shoemaker, age on embarkation 40 on 12 Nov 1838, Church of England, could not read or write and content with treatment on board
- Bridget Campbell, of the same parish as husband, daughter of Michael McCann a farm labourer at Magheracross and Mary Thompson his wife, in farm service, age on embarkation about 40, in good health, Church of England, could not read or write
-- John Campbell, 20 on 13 May 1838 a shoemaker and farm labourer
-- Samuel Campbell, 17 on Nov 1838 a shoemaker
-- Robert Campbell, 15 on 12 Jun 1838 a farm labourer
-- Thomas Campbell, 12 in May last 1838
He has a daughter in the colony married to Thomas McDoon a blacksmith - she came out in the Adam Lodge - her christian name is Jane
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Thank you - this info is all derived from the Bounty Immigrants List for the ships of Adam Lodge and Susan, which we all have. So, the same source so far, but we are trying to go back to their roots in Ireland to find the parents of all these people - Cains, Joseph Campbell, Muldoons, McCanns (possibly Buchan)
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https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=21&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiW3dWgjbPZAhVNEVAKHfYdDIQ4FBAWCC0wAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.northernirelandgenweb.org%2Ffermanagh%2Ftitheapplotment%2Ftithe_magheracross_alpha.html&usg=AOvVaw2SRF_4IzTj7EHraChBgmpx
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Campbells in Australia - Yahoo Groups
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/campbellsaustralia/conversations/topics/6
e-letter yeserday,I am descended from Samuel Campbell and Elizabeth Connor, through their daughter Julia who married Hugh Munro. I have extensive but patchy notes on this family; I have been to the "family seat" and even conversed with chaps who were bagging potatoes on the erstwhile Campbell land at Drumsloe.
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Thank you Hallmark - I will join this Yahoo group to see if I can communicate with any others with similar info. Are you Australia based on Ireland based? It is so good to find that there are people out there who can expand what you have already found - I have been searching for a number of years, and although I have an excellent picture of the story once they got to Australia, with all its twists and turns, their origins are a bit hazy.
I will need to work out which Joseph Campbell is the father of this group - he is said to be in the Army and there are 2 Joseph Campbells in the Irish Constabulary of the time, but I am Australia based, so I do not have the ability to go to the sources to try and get both military records and then work out which one is mine.
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Ireland based.
If it says Army then it is Army, not Police.
Records in Kew, England.