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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Norfolk => Topic started by: nanu on Thursday 17 June 10 21:27 BST (UK)
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According to the IGI index Solomon B1807/ 08 married Phebe B1812 in the church of St Mary The Virgin Winfarthing 12th October in 1831 but I am unable to find this recorded in any online parish record.
The issues I am trying to resolve re Solomon are many namely his correct place and date of birth which are either 1808 in Tivitshall according to the Census records but Tivitshall parish records do not support this. Parish records on Freereg have a Solomon born 1807 in Starston showing parents as being William and Sarah.
I am requesting a lookup of the marriage which may resolve his date and place of birth and parents. Likewise Phebe's
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Solomon Potter
Phoebe Banham
11th September, 1831
Gt. Ellingham
as well as the one you mention.
http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html?datestamp=1201592336948#p=home
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Thanks for the prompt reply but I have just checked the parish records for Gt Ellingham for 1829 througfh to 1832 and there is no record of this.
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hi nanu
check the banns of Great Ellingham (image 9 of 30) you'll find Soloman and Phebe there
yokel
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Thanks again Yokel,
The banns were posted b/w 11th & 25th Sept 1831 which would fit with the date of marriage on 12 Oct. Is it normal to post Banns at a church miles from where both apparently lived and actually got married?
Unfortunately the details on the Banns don't help with the information I am looking for. I think only the actual registration of the marraige in Winfarthing may do that.
Just trying to think of ways I can confirm Solomons date and place of birth and to identify his parents. Some parish registers list the parents of the bride and groom. If it is William and Sarah then it would suggest that he was born in Starston, if not then Tivitshall looks more likely.
If no parents are listed then all I can think of is trying to access a nominal list of Starston and or Tivitshall around 1807 / 08 if such a thing exists.
Mel Potter
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Hi Mel
Banns are usually read in the in the Parishes where each party live, which would suggest that Phoebe was living in Gt Ellingham at the time.
yokel
see PM
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Solomon's mother is ANN - she's living in Winfarthing with Solomon, Phoebe and family as his widowed mother on the 1871 census :)
Latina
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Solomon's mother is ANN - she's living in Winfarthing with Solomon, Phoebe and family as his widowed mother on the 1871 census :)
Latina
Thanks Latina, I think?
That information I missed and it certainly causes some questions. The reason why I asked is to find Solomon's parents and place of birth. All census records show Solomon was born in Tivetshall but parish records don't record his birth or baptism. The only Solomon Potter I can find was born in 1807 /8 which is the right date but in Starston which is nearby and his parents are shown as William and Sarah. You can see how your information is confusing me. Will have to think again where I go from hear.
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Currently exploring the possibility that Solomon's parents were Nathan Potter from Winfarthing and Ann Harbour (or Harbur) from Gissing. Like you, I am unable to find a Tivetshall baptism, but wonder if it might have been a non conformist baptism? Just sharing these thoughts to confuse matters further ... ;D Let me know if you make any solid progress :)
Best wishes and good luck!
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1851 Census Ann Potter c 1788 Gissing is with her Daug Bathsheba Algate born c 1822 Titsdale.
Her Marriage to Samuel Algate is on FreeREG 1840. Unfortunately it just says she is under age and no Father or Witnesses are named.
Familysearch has;
unnamed Male POTTER birth 1 November 1824
christening: 9 January 1825 Wesleyan, New Buckenham, Norfolk to NATHAN/ANN
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ANN Potter 23 September 1821 Tivetshall-St Margaret, Norfolk with same Parents.
FreeREG has to NATHAN/ANN
BATHSHEBA 1825, birth 1824, Father a Labourer
ANN 1821, Father a Husbandman
ELIZABETH 1808 Gissing
Aaah Familysearch has;
Samuel Algate
Spouse's Name Bethsheba Tollor
Event Date 29 Nov 1841
Event Place Loddon, Norfolk, England
Father's Name William Algate
Spouse's Father's Name Nathan Potter
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One must be careful not to assume that Potters are all of the same family. I have come across two Potters living next door to each other in Winfarthing but not related. I will check my tree but I recall Bathsheba and the Algates are not related
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There are two Bathsheba Potters - one is the daughter of Joel and Mary Ann Potter who were neighbours of Solomon and Phoebe in Winfarthing (she was born 1828). The Bathsheba who married James Algate was born in 1824 and is, I believe, one of Solomon's little sisters - although I've yet to prove this!
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Bathsheba Potter the daughter of Joel and Mary Ann Potter is the one I found and discounted. I do find it hard to believe they are not related at some point but have been back a couple of generations and found no links. The number of Potters in Norfolk surprised me. Are you related and if so how?
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Yes, it's too much of a coincidence isn't it!
My link is through Solomon and Phoebe's son Robert.
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My great grand uncle. Solomon was my Great Great Grand father.
Solomon's sons George and Solomon junior moved up to the Northeast to find work in the coal mines and I am descended from George
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Since Nathan and Ann's first known child was Elizabeth bp.4/8/1808 Gissing (her mothers home parish) and then nothing until Ann at Tivetshall in 1821 and then Bathsheba 1825 in Wesleyan Methodist, New Buckenham I would suggest that the couple had other children between 1809 and 1820 who were baptised in a non-conformist church whose records are not available online with Solomon being one.
Annette
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Since Nathan and Ann's first known child was Elizabeth bp.4/8/1808 Gissing (her mothers home parish) and then nothing until Ann at Tivetshall in 1821 and then Bathsheba 1825 in Wesleyan Methodist, New Buckenham I would suggest that the couple had other children between 1809 and 1820 who were baptised in a non-conformist church whose records are not available online with Solomon being one.
Annette
I agree Annette.
There was also a Harriet born around 1810, married James Adcock. Ann is living with her on the 1861 census. Like Solomon, Harriet gives her place of birth as Tivetshall but I can't find a baptism.
It would be useful to find Ann on the 1841 census and a death for Nathan - but no luck so far.
A
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There are two Bathsheba Potters - one is the daughter of Joel and Mary Ann Potter who were neighbours of Solomon and Phoebe in Winfarthing (she was born 1828). The Bathsheba who married James Algate was born in 1824 and is, I believe, one of Solomon's little sisters - although I've yet to prove this!
APOLOGIES - this should read SAMUEL Algate not James!
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Thank you both. It's forecast for v bad weather this weekend so will have plenty of time to go over all my old research and see what fits in where as a result of what you both have found.
Yet again RootsChat comes up trumps..... I think
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Norfolk Family History Society
Transcription Winfarthing Burials
Nathan Potter age 49 buried 12 July 1836
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NFHS Transcription Winfarthing marriages and banns
Banns were read 11,18,25 September 1831 for Solomon Potter of Winfarthing and Phoebe Banham of Great Ellingham
Married 12 October 1831 at Winfarthing witnesses, Elizabeth Potter and George Watson
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Norfolk Family History Society
Transcription Winfarthing Burials
Nathan Potter age 49 buried 12 July 1836
Thank you so much for finding / posting this amondg - so good to have :)
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NFHS
Gissing Parish Register
Nathan Potter married Ann Harbor/Harbour 10 August 1807, witness Charles Simmonds and Samuel Caley
Banns were read 26 July, 2,9 August 1807 at both Gissing and Winfarthing
Banns written Ann Harbor, marriage Ann Harbour
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NFHS
Gissing Parish Register
Nathan Potter married Ann Harbor/Harbour 10 August 1807, witness Charles Simmonds and Samuel CaleyBanns written Ann Harbor, marriage Ann Harbour
Wonderful - thanks again amondg :)
Banns were read 26 July, 2,9 August 1807 at both Gissing and Winfarthing
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Nathan and Ann Potter (nee Harbour) did have a daughter also named Ann baptized at Tivetshall
23 September 1821.
It's possible Solomon only remembered living in Tivetshall and made the assumption he was born there.
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Nathan and Ann Potter (nee Harbour) did have a daughter also named Ann baptized at Tivetshall
23 September 1821.
It's possible Solomon only remembered living in Tivetshall and made the assumption he was born there.
Absolutely amondg. It's also possible he was BORN in Tivetshall but baptised elsewhere - especially if it was a non conformist baptism ( ... the census returns do ask for place of birth not baptism). Some positive progress being made and your help is greatly appreciated :)
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Just in case Children of Solomon and Phebe (Banham) Potter
Robert born ? baptized 28 April 1833
Mary Ann born 22 May 1835
George born 7 August 1838
Matilda born 9 January 1841
Eliza born 23 June 1843
Sarah Ann born 1 September 1846
Emily born 2 May 1849
Solomon born 22 May 1852
Samuel born ? baptized 2 December 1855
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This doesn't advance us genealogically - but thought it might be of interest to those descended from Solomon Potter! From the BNA.
Latina x
copyright attachment removed
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Just in case Children of Solomon and Phebe (Banham) Potter
Robert born 31 March 1833 Winfarthing baptized 28 April 1833
Mary Ann born 22 May 1835 died 1844 in Winfarthing
George born 7 August 1838 Died 1914 in Auckland County Durham
Matilda born 9 January 1841 Died March 1844 in Guiltcross
Eliza born 23 June 1843
Sarah Ann born 1 September 1846 Died 1880 in Auckland County Durham
Emily born 2 May 1849
Solomon born 22 May 1852 Died 1931 in Sedgefield County Durham and have photos of him and his wife if anyone is interested.
Samuel born ? baptized 2 December 1855
Some updates and a lot more besides on this side of the family if required.
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This doesn't advance us genealogically - but thought it might be of interest to those descended from Solomon Potter! From the BNA.
Latina x
Don't know how you found this but well impressed. Sounds like the guy didn't have much luck in life. Makes me all the more determined to find out more about him and his ancestors and of course mine. This is very much appreciated and if you need any research or info on the Durham side of your family let me know how I help
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Hopefully I have attached the image asper the directions and its OK but if not let me know and will try to improve it.
If it's not attached you should have a copy sent by email
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Hopefully I have attached the image asper the directions and its OK but if not let me know and will try to improve it.
If it's not attached you should have a copy sent by email
Thank you nanu for persevering with this ... I'm afraid the image opens but is extremely small. There's nothing in my emails at the moment.
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Well I have spent a few hours researching my tree and going over records on line and can find only one reference to the birth of a Solomon Potter and that is in Starston 1807 son of William and Sarah which of course does not fit with the census showing he was born in Tivetshall in 1807 and in one instance has his mother Ann living with him and his wife in 1861?
I have found a Nathan Potter married to an Ann Harbour whose father is Thomas b1787 and mother Lydia Bond but I cannot find any link between Nathan and Solomon.
If as suggested Solomon was baptised in the Wesleyan Methodist faith I cannot find any records on line. I have also tried to find the nearest Wesleyan church / chapel which could be Diss but no records.
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Hi Nanu,
The image you posted was only 60 x 96 pixels, normally images posted on Rootschat are about 900-1200 pixels wide, please see this link below for help on resizing images.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,372537.0.html
If you post the image again you will need to re-name the file as each image has to have a unique title ;)
Regards
Sarah
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Hi Nanu,
The image you posted was only 60 x 96 pixels, normally images posted on Rootschat are about 900-1200 pixels wide, please see this link below for help on resizing images.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,372537.0.html
If you post the image again you will need to re-name the file as each image has to have a unique title ;)
Regards
Sarah
Your help is much appreciated but I think my problem is the original image size is very small so when re sized up it looses quality. I am trying to obtain a better and larger original.
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According to the IGI index Solomon B1807/ 08 married Phebe B1812 in the church of St Mary The Virgin Winfarthing 12th October in 1831 but I am unable to find this recorded in any online parish record.
The issues I am trying to resolve re Solomon are many namely his correct place and date of birth which are either 1808 in Tivitshall according to the Census records but Tivitshall parish records do not support this. Parish records on Freereg have a Solomon born 1807 in Starston showing parents as being William and Sarah.
I am requesting a lookup of the marriage which may resolve his date and place of birth and parents. Likewise Phebe's
Newbie here and my first post. Solomon Potter was my gggg grandfather through his son George. Apologies for resurrecting an old thread but the original post contained my own question: "Likewise Phebe's"
I recently came across a comment from another user on FamilySearch attached to Phoebe, suggesting that 'Banham' should not be the surname since it actually refers to the place of birth. I have done some digging and maintain that it is entirely plausible that she can have the same surname as her place of birth because 1) Banham as a name originates from/is highly concentrated in Norfolk 2) There are plenty of other Banhams in Banham at that time 3) The use of Banham in the registration of her child clearly refers to her maiden name when compared with other entries 4) Even if she used the name for convenience (like others might have done) due to her socio-economic situation or literacy, that is not to say that it was not what she regarded as her surname, and it is not to say that her parents did not also bear the same name for the same reasons.
Nevertheless, I feel unable to restore the name Banham to the FamilySearch profile without being able to refute the comments already made about her. I am trying in vain to find which of the Banhams in the area could have been her parents. It is not especially strange if her birth was not registered, but I would love to know if any information is out there that is not in the usual places. My current hypothesis is that her parents were James Banham and Sarah Flatt since the dates work quite well but I am now wondering if her parents were from a nearby village instead.
On a sideline, I am sure others will also have encountered the other Phoebe Banham married to John Widett also in Banham. Any ideas whether/how the two Phoebes might be related?
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Newbie here and my first post. Solomon Potter was my gggg grandfather through his son George. Apologies for resurrecting an old thread but the original post contained my own question: "Likewise Phebe's"
I recently came across a comment from another user on FamilySearch attached to Phoebe, suggesting that 'Banham' should not be the surname since it actually refers to the place of birth. I have done some digging and maintain that it is entirely plausible that she can have the same surname as her place of birth because 1) Banham as a name originates from/is highly concentrated in Norfolk 2) There are plenty of other Banhams in Banham at that time 3) The use of Banham in the registration of her child clearly refers to her maiden name when compared with other entries 4) Even if she used the name for convenience (like others might have done) due to her socio-economic situation or literacy, that is not to say that it was not what she regarded as her surname, and it is not to say that her parents did not also bear the same name for the same reasons.
Nevertheless, I feel unable to restore the name Banham to the FamilySearch profile without being able to refute the comments already made about her. I am trying in vain to find which of the Banhams in the area could have been her parents. It is not especially strange if her birth was not registered, but I would love to know if any information is out there that is not in the usual places. My current hypothesis is that her parents were James Banham and Sarah Flatt since the dates work quite well but I am now wondering if her parents were from a nearby village instead.
On a sideline, I am sure others will also have encountered the other Phoebe Banham married to John Widett also in Banham. Any ideas whether/how the two Phoebes might be related?
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Solomon is my Great Great Grandfather and I am very interested in positively identifying him as you will see from my previous posts.
I have Phoebe as being born Phoebe Banham in the parish of Banham on March 10 1812. Father Robert Banham and mother Elizabeth Humphrey who is shown on Phoebes birth registration as being a widow and again on her marriage as being a spinster so I am fairly sure I have the right couple. Phoebe is shown as being Phebe or Phabe, it is unclear but this is repeated on other documents including census docs which she always gives her place of birth as Banham.
I suspect I may have you on my family tree somewhere?
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Thanks so much for your prompt reply. I used to have Robert and Elizabeth as the parents but without having a proper source I ended up deleting them once I saw the comment made on FamilySearch, thinking I must have added them prematurely. I've come back to my tree after a long break and was conscious that there may be several errors that I didn't get round to fixing last time I worked on it.
I still haven't come across Phoebe's birth registration on FS or Ancestry. However, if you have confirmation through a birth registration that's great, and it will also mean I can return her rightful surname and parents to the FS profile.
Quite possibly I'm on your tree, though I am of the youngest generation. If you have Elsie nee Beevers (living), I am her eldest granddaughter. (Not sure what the protocol is here for self-identification - do correct me if necessary)
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Hello Lalzovi and welcome to RootsChat :)
As you may wish to swap details of your living family members you are best to exchange by private message (pm) you do this via a round button below the profile name of the person you wish to send a pm too ;)
Regards
Sarah
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Welcome to Rootschat Nanu/Lalzovi.
I had a look at the 1812 Baptism (not birth) of Pheobe.
According to the Parish Register image she was born Feb 10th
Daughter of Robert Banham and his wife Elizabeth, late Humphrey Spinster
Robert BANHAM and Elizabeth HUMPHRY married 14 Oct 1811, St James, Great Ellington
Bachelor/Spinster**
Witnesses Robert Smith/John Steel
He signed X. She signed X.
There are no birth regs pre 1837 only christenings/baptisms to be found
Elizabeth was not a widow on Phoebes Bapt 1812.
This may be Robert/Elizabeth in 1851 in Attleborough.
Robert Banham, 62, Head, Mar, Farmer of 7 acres, born Banham
Elizabeth Banham, 10, Wife, Mar, born Rockland
William Brees, 22, Lodger
The image of Census has Elizabeth as 60**
Trish :)
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Appears to be them in 1841 badly mistranscribed.
In Great Ellingham.
The image is Banham.
Robert Barnhouse, 50, Ag Lab
Elizabeth Barnhouse, 50
William Barnhouse, 20, Carpenter
Sarah Barnhouse, 15
Eliza Barnhouse, 14
Baptism;
15 Jul 1827, St James, Great Ellingham
WILLIAM/ELIZA/SARAH ANNE Banham
Parents ROBERT/ELIZABETH
Father a Labourer
Note on Baptism of William;
No Age Given But Word Aged Written Between Name And Son Of
Burials;
St Mary, Attlenorough
ROBERT Banham 12 Oct 1853 age 65
ELIZABETH Banham 19 Sep 1870 age 79
1861 Census
William Banham, 38, Carpenter
Frances Banham, 42, Wife
Elizabeth Banham, 69, Mother
George Banham, 12, Nephew
There is a Bapt 1849 for George, Mother ELIZA
1851 we have;
Sarah Ann Banham, 26
Eliza Banham, 24
George R Banham, 2
Mary A Banham, 5 mths
All on FreeREG
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Possible Bapt for Elizabeth;
Elizabeth HUMFRIES, 28 Nov 1790, All Saints and St Andrew, Rockland All Saints
Parents GEORGE/SARAH
I can see from online sources only 1 Robert born Banham;
Baptised 26 Nov 1788 (birth 20 Nov 178) to NOAH/ANNE
Mother nee BATLEY
They married 19 Aug 1781
Noah/Anne also Bapt a PHOEBE 18 Feb 1792**
This is likely the Phoebe who married John Windett 1814
Childrens Bapts are on FreeREG and I can find John and Daug Sarah in 1841 Census but Phoebe may have died before then.
EDIT ignore the 1841 Census info i said I had found with possible John/Daug Sarah and that Phoebe may have died before 1841 Census.
(back later)
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Wow! well impressed with all that research and much appreciated. Will now find the time and go back to my tree and cross reference.
Wish I have the same level of detail for Solomon.
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Phoebe/John Windett may have immigrated to the United States.
1851 Census
Lancaster, Worcester, Massachusetts, United States
John Windett Male 65 England
Phebe Windett Female 64 England
Robert Windett Male 21 England (1834)
Francis Thrower Male 9 Massachusetts, United States
John/Phoebe Bapt Banham;
ANN Windett 29 Oct 1815
ELIZABETH Windet 18 Mar 1818
JOHN Windet 12 Aug 1821
SARAH Windet 18 Feb 1824 (Mother nee Banham)
ROBERT Windet 27 Aug 1826
ELIZA Windett 13 Sep 1829
ROBERT Windett 08 Apr 1834****
Mother is down as Phebe/Phoebe/Phoeby
May just be a coincidence but Roberts Bapt seems to match up.
Anyhow it appears to me the Phoebe Banham 1792 may have married John Windett and be a Sister of your Robert Banham.
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Your welcome, I love the chase :)
When I have time I will look over your Soloman also :)
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As you may wish to swap details of your living family members you are best to exchange by private message (pm) you do this via a round button below the profile name of the person you wish to send a pm too ;)
Thanks, will do.
Your welcome, I love the chase :)
When I have time I will look over your Soloman also :)
You have done awesome work, I don't know what to say. I've now got some cleaning up to do on my trees (Ancestry, recently uploaded to FS) and will get back to you if anything doesn't make sense to me. Can I ask where you obtained the baptism record for Phoebe (not birth reg - my mistake!) since nothing of the kind turned up for me? Would love to be able to find these things better.
So glad to be able to give Phoebe her surname back. I felt like she had been robbed!
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The image of the Bapt of Phoebe is on someones Tree on Ancestry, as Faby.
I'm in Australia so dont have physical access to records,
I just searched Phoebe Banham born 1812 Norfolk and the image came up straight away.
Trish :)
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I have a copy and when I get the opportunity will PM it to you
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Appears to be them in 1841 badly mistranscribed.
In Great Ellingham.
The image is Banham.
Robert Barnhouse, 50, Ag Lab
Elizabeth Barnhouse, 50
William Barnhouse, 20, Carpenter
Sarah Barnhouse, 15
Eliza Barnhouse, 14
Baptism;
15 Jul 1827, St James, Great Ellingham
WILLIAM/ELIZA/SARAH ANNE Banham
Parents ROBERT/ELIZABETH
Father a Labourer
Note on Baptism of William;
No Age Given But Word Aged Written Between Name And Son Of
Burials;
St Mary, Attlenorough
ROBERT Banham 12 Oct 1853 age 65
ELIZABETH Banham 19 Sep 1870 age 79
1861 Census
William Banham, 38, Carpenter
Frances Banham, 42, Wife
Elizabeth Banham, 69, Mother
George Banham, 12, Nephew
There is a Bapt 1849 for George, Mother ELIZA
1851 we have;
Sarah Ann Banham, 26
Eliza Banham, 24
George R Banham, 2
Mary A Banham, 5 mths
All on FreeREG
Thanks again, my tree is looking so much cleaner now.
There is some difficulty with the children of Robert and Elizabeth when we look at the christenings.
Phoebe christened 1812, Banham
Mary Ann christened 1815, Watton
Jane christened 1816, Watton
Edward christened 1820, Watton
Jane christened 29 March 1822, Watton
William christened 26 May 1822, New Buckenham (non-conformist)
Humphrey christened 26 May 1822, New Buckenham (non-conformist)
William christened 1827, Great Ellingham
Sarah christened 1827, Great Ellingham
Eliza christened 1827, Great Ellingham
The New Buckenham kids could look like they are from another couple, except that William's date matches so well with the later census mentioned by Trish of a William aged 20 in 1841, and the name Humphrey seems so obviously to come from Elizabeth's maiden name. If all but the New Buckenhams are from other parents, then what do we do with the 1841 census which has Sarah and Eliza as siblings at the correct ages? If William was christened twice (to me this is the most likely scenario), the second time in an Anglican church, then what do we do with Jane being christened in Watton just months before her brothers?
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I can't help but feel sad for my ggg grandfather George, son of Solomon. It seems he started out as a shoemaker, but moved to Shildon, Durham to become a miner. Then, saddest of all, the 1901 census lists him living alone as an old man working as a 'road scavenger'. I do wonder what put an end to his shoe-making. Did the rise in shoe factories drive down independent business?? I lived in Durham for 8 years and only got interested in my local family history towards the end of my stay - strange to think of them walking (scavenging!) the same streets, especially as the mining heritage is so alive there.
Regarding the Windetts, I agree that the youngest son Robert moved to Massachusetts. There is also a death record for Robert in 1905 listing Phoebe and Robert as the parents, born in England. The poor man died of cancer of the rectum... :-[ :-[
Regarding Noah - that's a good find. I found another Noah Banham born in Banham in 1803, with children sharing the same names Phoebe, George, Noah etc. The family eventually settled in Middlesex. I assume this Noah may be another sibling or nephew of Phoebe sr and Robert sr, but haven't found out yet.
Thanks for the FreeREG reference. Much to my shame, I have never come across it before. I paid for a short subscription on Ancestry years ago but am not quite able to give the necessary time to justify subscribing right now, so I recently uploaded to FS in the hope of finding sources easier. Looks like FreeREG will also be of great help.
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It is possible there are 2 couples.
The William in 1841 Census has his age rounded to the nearest 5 yrs.
His occp is a Carpenter.
In 1851/1861/1871 Census he is born 1823 Great Ellingham Norfolk.
So unless he was Bapt again in 1827 with his 2 siblings I think this may be another William;
William christened 26 May 1822, New Buckenham (non-conformist)
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These may belong to the couple below;
Mary Ann christened 1815, Watton
Jane christened 1816, Watton
Edward christened 1820, Watton
Jane christened 29 March 1822, Watton
Marriage;
17 Nov 1814 St Mary, Watton
Robert BANHAM, Widower***, to Elizabeth DUNNETT
On the Bapt of Mary Ann Banham 4 Jun 1815 her Father Roberts occp is a Glover*
Roberts 1st Wife appears to be Jemima nee Upcraft from Bapt's of earlier children in Watton
Jemima Banham was buried 13 Nov 1813 age 36.
Info from FreeREG
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Ah yes, it did occur to me later that the Watton christenings were a separate couple. Good to have an ID for their parents. But if that's so, that creates a huge gap between Phoebe's christening and her siblings. Might there be three Robert+Elizabeths?? Going back to check the records again to see if it was Elizabeth Humphrey in all of them. But with a name like Humphrey Banham, it would be hard to believe the non-conformist christenings are not hers.
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Yes I agree the non conformist baptisms may be theirs.
Other than Phoebes Bapt they seem to like Bapt the children in batches and ages are not given on them.
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Yes, they do seem to baptise in batches, except... The FreeREG transcriptions of the non-conformist christenings do actually state that William and Humphrey were both born on 24 April 1822 - they were twins unless the transcription is wrong. With no further mention of Humphrey I assume he died as an infant, and I'm still playing with the idea that William was baptised twice, but accept your caution that there are two.
I've turned my attention to Solomon too, testing out all the older suggestions made on this thread, and am quite happy with how things are going if we take Solomon's parents to be Nathan and Ann. Some interesting things come up which may be relevant to both Solomon and Phoebe. Both of them have a gap of about the same decade in which no siblings were born:
Elizabeth Potter b 1808
Solomon b 1809
Harriet b 1810
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Ann b 1821
Bathsheba b 1824
Phoebe Banham b 1812
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William b 1822
Humphrey b 1822
William/Sarah Ann/Eliza...
Some hypotheses for the gap:
-Children born in this gap were not baptised at all
-Children born in this gap were baptised non-conformist but the records for that decade are missing/destroyed/never existed/not yet transcribed online
-No children were born - were the fathers absent together, in prison, abroad or posted elsewhere for that decade?
If the non-conformist theory is true, it is worth bearing in mind that Bathsheba was baptised in 1825 in the same Wesleyan church in New Buckenham as William and Humphrey, but Ann had an Anglican baptism in 1821. The Potter and Banham families might have been part of the same Wesleyan church at some point but at least for the Potters the continuity is not straightforward.
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If they were non-conformist for that decade, they weren't baptising children at Wesleyan New Buckenham. There are no other Potters or Banhams listed at that time other than the ones we know about:
http://tinstaafl.co.uk/nbp/Church_Pages/buckenham_new_wes.htm
Handy record though!
EDIT: The record starts at 1813, the New Buckenham Circuit was founded in 1812 and another source says the church started in 1808 (https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/NFK/buckenham_new/Chapel1). If Solomon was born and christened in 1809, it's possible his record (if made at all) was made in the limbo period before the church gained its own Circuit. The first link above confirms what Nanu tried to explore before, that they were previously part of the Diss Circuit.
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Be careful re Bathsheba Potter. I recall a while ago I looked at her but for some reason came to the conclusion she was part of the other Potter Family which includes Joel Potter who also lived in Winfarthing, Norfolk.
Will look at my stuff at the weekend
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Yes I saw the discussion of the two Bathshebas earlier in this thread. This one is recorded in the Wesleyan baptisms above as daughter of Nathan and Ann. I am currently working on the (admittedly unconfirmed) assumption that Solomon is also the son of Nathan and Ann, to see what happens...
Did you ever get a copy of S&P's marriage record which you were looking for when you started this thread? I downloaded it from FamilySearch and will send it if you don't have it. Elizabeth Potter is the witness, which would fit nicely with Nathan and Ann since they had a daughter Elizabeth born in 1808 just about a year before Solomon.
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Yes I got a copy but it didn't name Solomons parents as I had hoped.
I have Phoebes birth record but struggling to attach it