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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Waterford => Topic started by: Roma Flower on Thursday 17 June 10 22:01 BST (UK)
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I am interested in a James Manning from Waterford who emigrated to the U.S. in the late 1870's. He listed Gaelic as his native language so may have been from a rural area. He was married to Margaret Welch before he emigrated and two years later she joined him. She is listed in the U.S. census as an English speaker and was from the town of Dungarvan. They had two children born in Ireland..daughters Bridget and Katherine and later had four sons in America. Does anyone know anything about this couple?
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just a note on names in Waterford... the surname Walsh is pronounced as Welsh in Waterford and some nearby counties.
Full civil registration started in Ireland in 1864 so you may be able to locate the details of the marriage of James & Margaret here before they left. For earlier record you would need to research parish records. See the topic Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html) for more details.
Shane
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Thanks,shanew. Interestingly enough, some members of her family spelled the name Walsh when they came to America and some spelled it Welch. Your clue must be why.
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I found a possible index cross-match for the marriage...
Name: James Manning
Registration District: Kilmacthomas
Event Type: Marriage
Quarter and Year: Jan - Mar 1878
Volume : 4 / Page : 722
Name: Margaret Walshe
[same index details]
The registration district of Kilmacthomas includes parts on the middle section of Co. Waterford, between the areas covering Waterford city and the one including Dungarvan...
It could be a false match.... but might be worth a try..
Shane
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Thanks again. I think it's them! The year is spot on and the names and area are right.
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James and Margaret Welch Manning are my great grandparents. They settled in Worcester, Massachusetts, where the census of 1900 has them living at 453 Milton Street. Margaret (b 1860) died in 1901 from an illness, I believe, and James (b 1858) died in 1904 by drowning which was presumed to be suicide. He was a laborer at one of the wire mills in Worcester. Their youngest son, my grandfather was Thomas Francis Manning, born in 1896, died 1955, in Worcester. Their other sons were John b 1885, Edmund, b 1888, and James, b 1890. The girls did their best to keep things together, so the story goes, but my grandfather spent some time in the Worcester County Boys Reformatory, then ran away to join the 14th US Cavalry, L Troop at 15. He served during the border skirmishes with Mexico and all through WW1. I'm dying to know whatever else you have about them as it has been devilishly hard for me to find information about the family before they arrived in the states. Thanks. Feel free to check out my public member tree. Thanks
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Hi there. I realize this is a fairly old thread, but I wanted to say that these folk are my great grandparents. If you are still researching this branch of the Manning family, I'd be interested in any information you have on them in Ireland - parents, siblings, etc. Am researching an idea on why they may be absent from the church and civil records.
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Welcome Chris O'Shaughnessy
FTR - There are official records for this family
There is a Church Marriage record of James MANGAN and Margaret WALSH
in Stradbally, Co. Waterford on Feb 23 1878 LINK (http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632121#page/29/mode/1up) 1st row and written in Latin
There is a baptism for
Bridget MANNING (F) James and (M) Margaret Walsh in Abbeyside on Jan 31 1879 LINK (http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632087#page/136/mode/1up)
The Civil Record is shown as MANGAN LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1879/02927/2072759.pdf)
There is a civil birth record for Catherine in 1881 LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1881/02813/2032116.pdf)
Just to add you can also find this name as Manion, Manyon, Mannin, etc.
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Thank you for your input. The links provided unfortunately are not working on the Irish Genealogy website currently. I'll try again later. The Mannion spelling we are familiar with, but Mangan is a new one. These may be my great grandparents, but without being able to view the links I'll not be able to tell. We have zero anecdotal family information on the origins in Ireland and without ever seeing a name in any family records with the spelling of Mangan (if this is them) we have been as of this time unable to trace any further back than James' birth in County Waterford in 1854. The Manning family in Worcester, Massachusetts were quite a brood and it's odd that this spelling was never used or mentioned by any of them in any US record or at family gatherings. This is a new thread to follow. Cheers :)
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All my MANNIONs in Roscommon in the late 1800s are baptised as MANNION but Civil Registered as MANNING
Literacy is the main reason. The registrar/priest would write what he heard and the informant would sign their X oblivious to what was written.
My DONOHUE side still has several variations of spellings even today. In one living family three siblings spell their name differently!
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:) Yes. The O'Shaunnessys the same way...we have numerous spellings and even today getting people to spell any of them correctly is a challenge! LOL... ;)