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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Hertfordshire => Topic started by: Rose_Frankcombe on Friday 18 June 10 15:30 BST (UK)
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Hello Hertford,
I am trying to flesh out the early years of Dr Matthew (Matthias) Gaunt, London - b. 1795 - where?
Matthias married Miss Frances Green, at Essendon, 1825 - which church?
I know Frances had a brother, Richard.
I know Frances and Richard's parents were Isaac and Frances. Don't know any more details.
Would like some clues to follow... Australia is a long way away, so it's difficult other than by the net. Cheers... Rose
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Matthias married Miss Frances Green, at Essendon, 1825 - which church?
They married in the parish church in Essendon. At that date marriages all took place in the established church, the Church of England, other than Jews and Quakers who were the only non-conformists authorised to conduct marriages. See http://www.joinermarriageindex.com/pjoiner/genuki/HRT/parishes.html for details of Essendon.
What else do you know about Mathew Gaunt? Have you found him in any censuses? Or did he emigrate?
They appear to have baptised two children at St Giles Cripplegate, London, according to the IGI at www.familysearch.org, where he's shown as Matthias. On the baptisms of Sidney on 11 Oct 1826 and Frances on 3 Apr 1828, Matthias is described as a surgeon of Castle St.
David
France is no different to Australia when researching English names.
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Thank you, bedfordshire boy,
I did have the information on the marriage of Matthew Gaunt and Frances Green, at Essendon, from the hertsdirect.org site.
It was an exciting moment when this information revealed itself on the screen. From the information that the groom, Matthew (more commonly known in our records as Matthias, which causes a little confusion when searching for him), was from London, it was then I managed to unearth the two children's baptisms at St Giles Cripplegate, but so far not Jane nor the fourth child, possibly Francis(?).
The Australian (Tasmanian) archives note that Matthias and his wife Frances arrived here in 1831 and they were accompanied by four children - Sydney (4), Frances (3), Jane (2) and Francis or Matthias noted as an infant. I'm inclined to lean towards the name Francis for the fourth child, as I would have imagined the first born son to have been named after his father.
I am delighted to see that you have given me just that little bit more information, that Matthias was described as a surgeon of Castle Street.
Once they'd landed here in Van Diemen's Land (as Tasmania was called in those days), they eventually doubled and more the size of their family.
Oh, and I should mention that Dr Gaunt built an Anglican Church (St Matthias) on the banks of the Tamar River here, at the place he named Windermere, in deference to the UK lake that carries this name. I will attempt to attach a photograph of the church.
Again, thank you for your assistance... Cheers... Rose
PS: Can't follow how to load a picture... sorry...
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Just a couple more details from the baptisms. Sidney was born on 2 Sept 1826, and Frances on 25 Sept 1827
David
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Thank you, bedfordshire boy, for the further information. I did have those birth dates and note Frances wasn't christened until several months later. I wonder why?... Rose
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The Pilotsearch website has a couple of bits of info
Jane GAUNT, baptised at Aldersgate, London on 21 Jan 1829 - from a Non-conformist register
There was a Matthias GAUNT baptised at Denby in Yorkshire in 1796, father Joseph, but he might be the one marrying in Yorkshire in 1827, also to a Frances.
There are a number of single GAUNT women in London in the England census, all sisters by the look of it, born in the 1790s in Westminster. Might be sisters to Matthias.
Ian C
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Hi Ian,
Thank you for this new information. I now have something on early Jane Gaunt to follow. I would not have thought to look in a Non-conformist register. Jane died a spinster, in Tasmania in 1880.
The Matthias (Matthew) Gaunt who married Frances in Hertford is definitely my man.
Again, this assistance is much appreciated... Cheers... Rose
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Hi Rose, - have you thought of linking (or combining if it can be done :-\) this thread with the 'Essendon Marriage 1825' thread as they are about the same people - it might make it easier for those interested to follow! And if you like, you could put in a link to mine on the Aussie board.
Wiggy
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I could, Wiggy, if I knew how... I've only stumbled into Rootschat recently and don't feel competent enough to attempt this suggestion!
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Rose - I'm not sure either so I just clicked on the report to Moderator in the corner of the post and asked for help - I bet you will find they will fix it very soon. (not even sure if this is the right thing o do - but it WILL get results one way or the other!)
So - Welcome to Rootschat which is a very good thing to stumble into :D - I did just that at the beginning of last year and haven't regretted a minute of it! Very helpful crew indeed they are!
Wiggy ;)
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Hi Wiggy,
I'm confident the Moderator or his minions will enable the request to be fulfilled. After all, when I initially 'stumbled' in, I'd clicked Herefordshire instead of Hertfordshire - and the error had been attended to and corrected in no time at all, which I appreciated... Rose
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Are you going to let me in on the secret about who your forebears were and how they relate to mine?? ;D ;)
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It's a geographical connection, Wiggy, not a blood link... But my family name was Turton... Rose
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Oh bother :D - and I got all excited - I was thinking first time in 18 months that I have found someone 'of the family'!! Bad luck! Still I'll help if you need more info!! ;)
Tassie geography or UK geography?
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The Essendon Marriage 1825 topic is here
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,462836.0.html
I have copied & pasted the url from the white box at the top of that topic screen
this topic number is 463100 for identification purposes
Hope this helps
Dawn
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Fingers crossed, Dawn... Cheers... Rose
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Hi there
I am interested in the chat Re Matthias Gaunt. He is my Great-great-great grandfather (or something like that!). His son, Charles Gaunt was my grandfather's grandfather. I was married in St. Mathias Church Windermere, Tasmania. So I would love to learn more about him and his family. I was just wondering why you have this interest in him?
I heard (some time back) - that someone at Deakin University, Australia was doing a thesis on him.
Cheers
Rebecca
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Hello Rebecca,
Lovely to hear from you.
My interest in Matthias Gaunt came about in a circuitous way.
I'd been looking at the Tamar River and its early, little river ports, which included the beautiful location, Windermere.
Having written some poems based on the church - and Dr. Gaunt - the intrigue of the story seeded itself.
When I dropped information and photographs from my book into the local store, it occurred to me from the conversations I had with people there that perhaps some of the local community didn't realise what a rich treasure they actually have in the geographical location of the hamlet, Windermere - and in one of the the founding fathers, Matthias Gaunt. This has set me off on a new quest, to record some of the history in a way that's different from what's already been produced. From the gb's of information I have already collected, I believe this is something I can accomplish...
I am going to concentrate on the pivotal couple and their issue, to the point of the passing of the first generation, which will take me just over the cusp of the 19th century and in to the 20th century.
I emphasise I don't plan for this to be the creation of a genealogical tree, but rather a broader sweep of story of one family and its achievements in a burgeoning (yet isolated) colony - Tasmania.
Cheers... Rose
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Hi Rebecca,
I would love to make contact with you - i have put a thread on the Aussie board asking for descendants of this couple - I am a great great granddaughter of Matthias, via Edward, Charles' brother. Put up a couple more posts on the board and then you will be able to make contact via Personal messages (PM) which you do by clicking on that little green scroll under the name of the person on the left hand side of the thread. I am very anxious to make contact with other family members around the place -
If you go to the Australian board and look on the second page you will find my post looking for contacts! And it has a link back to this thread also! " Searching for descendants of Dr Matthias Gaunt"
Wiggy.
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Heres' the link Rebecca! http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,468455.0.html
do come and visit . . . :)
Wiggy
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This is fantastic for you, Wiggy. At last your search (and your patience) appears to be paying off.
I'm glad you made contact, Rebecca, it could be the start of a whole new understanding of your important family history for you...
Great stuff... Rose
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I have found Castle Street, Cripplegate, on an old map of 1765. That's where the Matthias Gaunt lived when they were married
Please - does anyone have a map closer to the date of 1825 for this area - and if so please could you tell me where St Giles is in relation to Castle Street. (I have tried Googling for this info - without success - which doesn't mean it isn't there - just means I'm a bit slow in these matters! ::) :-\
Cheers,
Wiggy
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Hi Wiggy,
I think if you google Greenwood Map of London 1827 will get you a map from 1827 that was drawn up from the 1824 survey, not sure if this particular map helps
I will try to put link here ::) I am getting odd message when I try, so will be back shortly,
Back, but even when I shrink the link I still get strange message.
I think there's a copyright on the map :-[ but I found it via google
JM
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Greenwood 1827
http://users.bathspa.ac.uk/greenwood/
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Thanks folks - very helpful and just what I need -
Wiggy :)
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I know this is Rose's thread - but we are working together so that's OK - isn't it Rose?? ;)
Anyhow any further hints on where to turn would be very welcome!!
Matthias GAUNT hasn't shown up on any Navy lists to date - not that I've found anyway. :-\ ::)
Wrote to Edinburgh Uni - no records there, } the family story being that he trained
Wrote to College of Surgeons Edinburgh -no record. } in Edinburgh and served in the Navy for
Just written to Royal College of Physicians Edinburgh } short time before emigrating in 1831.
There is a reference to him going to South America (- presumably on a Naval vessel - haven't found any evidence of that yet either. :'( ) before setting up in practice in London - We've found that!! :D
Personal visit to Kew Archives was suggested by the AO - and if I didn't live at the other end of the world I probably would!! ;D ;D
Rose has turned up reference to Mathias in parliamentary records connected with the anti-transportation league. English parliament I do believe. (they come from his time in Tasmania - it is before 1831 that we want to find out more about him.)
Any ideas about which haystack to search next??? ::) ;D
Wiggy :)
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Hi ther... Im poss a long decedent of mathius gaunt. Dr. Born 1784 i think denby huddersfield.. West yorkshire.. Engerland.. He moved to taz. Founded windermere 2.500 acres of land. He has been in our family tree... My sis is there soon sto check out the church.. And maybe more info... But yes hes conected to me. us..... Would love any more info for modern familys there at mo... Thanks all mark
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Hi Mark
Welcome back ;D
Rose hasn't been online since May earlier this year but should receive an email notification that you have posted and hopefully come back soon.
Dawn